YTSEJAM Digest 1517
Today's Topics:
1) Re: algebra and mary and some DTC
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
2) qr, sg, vv, is, m, fw, etc.
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
3) hello
by Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
4) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/03/96 - 21:50:25" <response@ibmmail.com>
5) repeating themes
by Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
6) IRC...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1515
by Daniel McCormack <dan@aol.com>
8) Fake AOL address
by Daniel McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
9) Re: lep
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
10) Marillion's Magic...
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) Can I play with Madness ?
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
12) First Marillion-purchase...
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:11:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: algebra and mary and some DTC
Message-ID: <QlWaVgO00iWXQ=c7pg@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from mail.ytsejam: 3-May-96 algebra and mary and some DTC by
Keith Aspinall@asu.edu
> > One thing though..."But you know that love can be as hard as algebra" huh?
> > That's just too corny... at least calculus, but algebra? :)
>
> a friend of mine was (and is) on the freaks list when there was a
> discussion about this particular line. they rationalized it by saying
> that since steve rothery studied electrical engineering in school,
> "algebra" was (obviously) referring to boolean algebra, not your normal
> ninth grade math algebra.
The R.A.M. line bugs me too. I hope it's not the computer term. I hate
computer terms.
> i'm somewhat of a QR newbie, but i was under the impression tate just
> went falsetto for those lines in SSM where "mary" is talking, and that
> pamela moore just did the "what are you doing out there in the rain?" line
> and any others i cant recall at this moment.
I thought that for a long time too, since her voice is similar to tates,
but on the livecrime video, she's clearly singing all of Mary's parts.
It's definitely something worth seeing, too.
>
> DTC... does anyone else think I&W is a better album than awake, but
> awake is more listenable because there seems to be a better flow to the
> album, or is that just me.
That's a good way of putting it. I like the individual songs on I&W
more, but Awake has much better flow. I particularly dislike Another Day
coming right after Pull Me Under...the rest of the transitions are okay
though.
-Max
Anton Max
Keyboards, Aepithex
MadMax+@cmu.edu
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:12:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: qr, sg, vv, is, m, fw, etc.
Message-ID: <glWaWGS00iWX4=c8Ji@andrew.cmu.edu>
While I'm in a posting mood, I'll just throw in some random opinions on
things that've been discussed (or not discussed) lately:
1) Brave - bloody excellent album. I also love Misplaced Childhood and
Fugazi, but I think my favourite is Script. Aaaaaaaaghmen.
2) Shadow Gallery - eh. Nice, but not all they're cracked up to be. A lot
of the wailing solos were just over pretty standard repetitive rhythms,
which didn't impress me all that much, and my overall impression was
that the band is currently a cheeseburger (there's meat there, but some
cheese too.) They certainly have potential though.
3) Vauxdvihl - To Dimension Logic is a fantastic album. The songs are
written extremely well. The whispering woman gets a bit annoying
sometimes, but it doesn't bother me that much. I definitely recommend
this album to people who lean towards the Queensryche end of the
spectrum (tightly composed, non-jamming progressive).
4) Perfect Symmetry is the most incredible album I've ever listened to.
i've finally realized this after owning it for about two years.
5) I think Perfect Symmetry may have gotten its name from an Igor
Stravinsky quote: "Of all the musicians of his age, Haydn was most
aware, I think, that to be perfectly symmetrical is to be perfectly
dead."
6) Igor Stravinsky was pretty damn cool himself. Fans of his should
check out the book _Conversations with Igor Stravinsky_ by Stravinsky
and Craft. Pretty informative and amusing. That's where the above quote
comes from. And there's also a hilarious anecdote about Rachmoninoff in
there. I've been reading bunches of Igor stuff lately. Poetics of Music
is also quite interesting.
7) I heard a couple Braindance songs, but only really listened to one
(Compound Fracture) and it's good stuff.
8) I'm not the biggest Queensryche fan. I loved Mindcrime and some of
Empire (haven't heard the earlier stuff much), but there's something
about them (primarily geoff tate i think) that just annoys me, and
there's probably not a valid reason for it. But I've been listening to
the Promised Land some lately, and it's a pretty solid piece of work. To
say it blew dog isn't particularly fair. It's got a really
well-developed atmosphere to it, and it flows really well. There's a lot
more emphasis on orchestration than composition, which is why I think
some DT fans don't like it as much (the compositions seem somewhat basic
by our standards). But the orchestration here is more than window
dressing. I think it's an integral part of the songs, and I think it's
done extremely well.
-Max
Anton Max
Keyboards, Aepithex
MadMax+@cmu.edu
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: hello
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605031240.D12369-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Hi, Jammers,
I'm a newbie to the jam. So...anyway, I just want to introduce myself and
segue into my own responses to some of the threads. I'm a new DT fan who
got into the band for a few reasons.
1) I seem to recall reading about JP in some guitar mags.
2) As the owner of a Mesa/BOOGIE 50Cal+, I received an issue
of their newsletter "Amplitudes" featuring JP. My
impression of JP was that he was probably a damn
good player and that I ought to check his stuff out.
3) Late in 1994, I think, I was eagerly anticipating Extreme's
"...Punchline". I was really hungry for some great
guitar. Sure I like Soundgarden and some other
"alternative" stuff that was coming out, but I needed
some of that Vai/VanHalen/Bettencourt/Beach thing.
I figured that DT's Awake would tide me over until
Bettencourt and friends got their album out.
4) Well...here I am digging DT. I listen to Awake more than
Punchline. Admittedly, though, I'm more of a fan of
Extreme, but DT is up there.
So, in case you were wondering about my age (segue into threads imminent)
I'm 24 ( 25 in a matter of weeks). I grew up listening to stuff like
Hall & Oates, The Police, Def Lep, some Who, and Duran Duran. Sure there
were some sprinkles of Billy Squier and Joe Jackson and ZZ Top. I guess
I ought to get to the point...I don't really think that the time when
a person grows up really defines one's tastes completely. I think that
I'm at the age where--if the age-defines-taste thesis holds--I ought to
be Mr. Oasis-Brit-pop-1980s-one-hit-wonder-thick-rimmed-glasses-and-geeky-
pants-music-guy. No, sir. As a classically trained musician (on violin and
piano) I have great respect for musicians on par with DT, Vai, Satch,
Bettencourt, Beach, Santana. One also better include Coltrane, Davis,
the family Marsalis, Perlman, Zuckerman, Parkenning, Boyd, etc. Now I'm not
one to listen to or play much classical music anymore, but I appreciate it
when someone can clearly and tastefully show his or her mastery of an
instrument.
As far as the Beatles are concerned, I would have joined in with the
"Beatles suck" contingent, but I'm not so sure that's a good idea. I don't
really give a crap about the Fab Four. I have tried to purge the Beatles
from my CD collection, because I didn't care for them. Why, IMHO?
1) Not as tough as DT, Hendrix, VH, Extreme, Soundgarden, Vai, SRV
2) Not as pretty as Tuck & Patti, Hendrix, Satch, Vai
3) Not Trippy in ways that I can get into like with Floyd, Hendrix,
Vai, Michael Hedges, even though they're trippy.
4) Too la-la-la
5) Not bad-boy enough like early VH, Stones
6) Not loose enough like SRV, Hendrix, Santana
7) Not as virtuosic as Hedges, Vai, Satch, Bettencourt, JP, Santana
8) Not SEEMINGLY as knowledgeable (theory wise) as Vai, Satch, Sting
but I could be wrong.
9) Not as mad as Townshend, Soundgarden, Metallica...
10) Can't groove like RHChiliPeppers, SRV, Isley Bros.
So...I have tried to make my Beatles CDs disappear. Now...as I get into
songwriting much more, I think that I ought to look at some of the
Beatles stuff. I mean...let's face it. Whoever said that learning the
Beatles teaches you every chord in the book, was probably not too far
from the truth. The recent realization that one doesn't write melodies
like theirs without some crazy chords just dawned on me when I saw a
transcription of "Yesterday". So...while I don't really care to listen to
them for pleasure, I'd listen to them for education. I'd listen to Led
Zep for the same reason. I recently wanted to purge my CD collection of
Zep, but a guitar lesson with Alex Skolnick, the last person I took
guitar lessons with, showed me that Jimmy Page still has a few things
(Both "microscopic" and "macroscopic"), which I ought to listen too.
I suppose the same goes for the Beatles.
-R
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Robert Andrew Jurado
roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu
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Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 16:49:00 EDT
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:45:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: repeating themes
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605031351.E12369-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
I forgot...I wanted to touch on the repeating themes thing. I really
like that DT is doing that. I kind of wondered about why people were
drawing attention to that. It's kind of an old classical music trick.
It's like an Overture before a larger work like an opera or a musical,
at least in the case of Erotomania. (Forgive me the only DT album I have is
Awake). Just listen or watch West Side Story for the repetition of themes.
I think that it's most definitely by design.
the first place I really noticed something like that in a rock context was
in The Wall, maybe Tommy. Later came the third side to Extreme's III
Sides. I love it when artists unify their albums what way. It's part of
what makes a great album, IMHO. I love it when songs within an album are
either lyrically or musically (or both) self-referential.
-Rob
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Robert Andrew Jurado
roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:56:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: FREE Magazine_Offer! <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: IRC...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960503164332.2908A-100000@indy17.gclab.missouri.edu>
>I've tried many times to get onto the DT Irc and it doesn't seem to work.
>... I don't know why it won't work. ... Can anyone help me out??
Relax, wait till Sunday, I promise to have the new mIRC and Words II out
by then, and hopefully have all the bugs out. :)
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E-Man wrote:
>Scared y'all, didn't I? *evil grin* Gotta milk AOL for all it's worth...
Elliott, you better get used to black coffee. :)
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Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 18:27:50 -0300
From: Daniel McCormack <dan@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1515
Message-ID: <318A7A56.6DD@aol.com>
Hey, there, thespians, what's up? Just a few responses and stuff...
> From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1514
>
>
> > # | E-mail address | EoJ | Posts
> > ---+-----------------------------+-----+------
> > 1 | response@ibmmail.com | 1 | 114
> > 2 | Damon M. Fibraio | 1 | 107
> > 3 | Ernesto Schnack | 2 | 55
> >
>
> AWRIGHT! I didn't know I posted that much...
I did... :)
> 3) escarabajos
> by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
> 4) geetar albums
> by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
> 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1514
> by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
see?
> >I'm also a huge Dream Theater fan and I don't listen to shit like Oasis.
>
> HEY! ME TOO! WOW, WHAT A COINCIDENCE!;)
Wow! I'm one too! How many other DT fans are on this list? Maybe we should make this the DT mailing list? No, then
we'd need to have DTC... :)
Well, apparently i didn't have that much to say. Oh, yeah, about Yngwie Malmsteen's Magnum Opus: It's heavier that
his other albums, but it's still neoclassical. Overture 1622 just kicks so much ass. IMO Vengeance (first track
from Magnum Opus) is the perfect track for introducing people to Yngwie - well, Vengeance and Black Star (or maybe
Far Beyond The Sun... or Icarus Dream Suite) from Rising Force. My two favorite Yngwie discs are Rising Force and
Magnum Opus - his earliest and his latest discs. Hmmm...
Later,
-DMC-
--Daniel McCormack dmc@dreamt.org or emc@caribe.net http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
"Whad'ya mean I ain't kind? Just not your kind." - Megadeth, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? _____ _____ _____ __/ /\_______/ /\___________/ /\______________ / /____ __ /__ __ __ ____ _/_ ___ __ ___ /\ / __// / // __// /_// | / / / / / // / / / / / /_// / //__ @ /_// /_ /__/|/ / / /. /__// /__/ / / /___________________________________________ / __/ / dmc \___________________________________________\ \_/ /\_\/ 1996 \_____/ / \____\/
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Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 18:30:51 -0300 From: Daniel McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org> To: Ytsejam ML <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fake AOL address Message-ID: <318A7B0B.2F5F@dreamt.org>
Oh, and if you care to check my e-mail address from my last post, you'll see that it's suppposedly from an AOL account... But I don't have an AOL account... It's easy as hell to fake your e-mail address, so that magazine ad spammer is probably not on AOL...
Later, -DMC-
--
Daniel McCormack dmc@dreamt.org or emc@caribe.net http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
"Whad'ya mean I ain't kind? Just not your kind." - Megadeth, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? _____ _____ _____ __/ /\_______/ /\___________/ /\______________ / /____ __ /__ __ __ ____ _/_ ___ __ ___ /\ / __// / // __// /_// | / / / / / // / / / / / /_// / //__ @ /_// /_ /__/|/ / / /. /__// /__/ / / /___________________________________________ / __/ / dmc \___________________________________________\ \_/ /\_\/ 1996 \_____/ / \____\/
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:40:01 -0600 (MDT) From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: lep Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960503163940.21366B-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Hysteria was the LAST record I ever bought!!! ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> Adam R. Bertapelle "Scuse me...while I kiss this guy!" bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu Jimi Hendrix Ask for my bootleg list! Purple Haze <-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:53:34 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'100% guaranteed flame-free Jam !'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Marillion's Magic... Message-ID: <01BB3954.580E7840@ppp132.GlobalXS.nl>
On Jam #1515 Ernesto Schnack said about Marillion's 'Brave':
> One thing though..."But you know that love can be as hard as algebra" > huh? That's just too corny... at least calculus, but algebra? :)
Ha ! That line was supposed to be corny... It's written from some macho guy's point of view ("Have you heard about those pictures on my bedroom wall?"). Some of the songs are from a storyteller's point of view ('Bridge', parts of 'Goodbye To All That', 'Brave'). Others are written from the girl's point of view ('Alone Again In The Lap Of Luxury', 'Made Again'). If you wanna know anything about the album, like the story behind it (it's based on an actual event) mail me privately...
IMO, most of DT's music is kinda 'agressive' (read: kick-ass). Marillion are not about that... Their music is only agressive when it needs to be (when the song's topic calls for it). They have the ability to make music that can move you to tears without sounding cheesy. Their musicianship, sincerity, lyricism <sp> and integrity are positively unmatchable. They've got a certain kind of magic I've never heard in any other band. They don't need to resort to ego-trips like the musicians of some other prog-rock bands, like for instance 'Yes'. I personally love 'Yes' (especially their old stuff), but there's not enough room in *any* band for those ego's. That's probably why they keep splitting up and getting back together (in many different line-ups). Btw, Does anyone have any info on what they're up to ?
* IMO Dream Theater thrives on that ego-stuff. They keep challenging each other to get better (and they do). That's why I'm scared shitless that they will split up due to those inevitable 'creative differences'. Many bands have bought the farm because of that...
I guess Marillion's strenght lies in the fact that they sound like a well oiled machine instead of a collection of brilliant musicians... As individual musicians they're great/brilliant... As a band they're fucking magic ! You just need to give 'em time to grow on you...
Early genesis has that same quality too... Just listen to 'Selling England By The Pound' ('73).
If you're thinking of checking Marillion out, maybe you could start with their new live-album 'Made Again'... It's a double-album for the price of one. Disc 2 has 'Brave'-live on it (the entire concept album). Disc 1 also contains some great tracks... Half of those have been singles... IMO those are the 'weaker' Marillion tracks, so check out the studio-albums too. If you love Genesis' "Supper's Ready", check out Marillion's "B'sides Themselves". It's a collection of b'sides of those old Marillion-singles (with Fish on vocals). The first track (Grendel) sounds a lot like "Supper's Ready". It's about 18 minutes.
*) DTC <---
Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos,
Itchy (NOT Bitchy), The Garantueed Eternal Market Square Hero Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - Itchy@dreamt.org
____________________________________________M_A_R_I_L_L_I_O_N___mmm_____ Script For A Jester's Tear(83), Fugazi(84)| - Steve Hogarth / \_____ Misplaced Childhood (85), Clutching At | - Steve Rothery C" D\____ Straws (87), B'Sides Themselves (88), | - Pete Trewavas ()-( )\___ Seasons End (89), Holidays In Eden (91) | - Mark Kelly /\______/\__ Brave (94), Afraid Of Sunlight (95) | - Ian Mosley / /\ _ \_ __________________________________________|_______________/ | \/ / \
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:55:34 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'100% guaranteed flame-free Jam !'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Can I play with Madness ? Message-ID: <01BB3954.606839E0@ppp132.GlobalXS.nl>
On Jam #1515 Ernesto Schnack said :
> You too, huh? My dad bought that by accident along w/ VH's ou812 and > Maiden's 7th son of a 7th son... he just bought them because they > were on the top 10. Obviously he didn't like 'em. And that, ladies > and gents was how I began listening to rock...
I got both those albums too. I really liked Maiden a lot when I was 16. IMO "7th son" is Maiden's best album. One thing I've noticed is that those die-hard Maiden-fans seem to agree that that's the worst album they ever made... Something about the synths, I guess... I remember hearing that they had a guy playing keys off-stage during that '7th son'-tour. IMO it's actually a very progressive album (as in: prog-rock). They should have made more albums like that one...
Gheez, I feel like just listening to it for old times sake... Maybe I will... If I can just get myself to stop listening to Tori Amos for a little while... (I admit, I'm a Tori-addict)
Ernesto Schnack also said :
> I remeber that I was scared the first time I listened to 7th son, > because I thought Satan would come up from behind me or something :)
I remember reading somewhere (a long time ago) that they're not about devil-worshipping... Their music is actually more about 'exorcism'... (unlike most metalbands). Btw, Does anyone remember those Stryper-guys? I heard they used to throw bibles to their fans during concerts... Is that true ?
Btw, among the "thank you's" Maiden mention a guy called Mick Wall... He's also a huge Marillion fan...He's also the one who wrote Marillion's official biography "Market Square Heroes" years ago...
/me sings: "Can I play with Matches..."
Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos,
Itchy (NOT Bitchy), Only the first son of a second son :( Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - Itchy@dreamt.org
____________________________________________M_A_R_I_L_L_I_O_N___mmm_____ On the waves of silver I dreamed of gold | - Steve Hogarth / \_____ 'Til I lost the peace that dreaming gives | - Steve Rothery C" D\____ I dreamed of the moment of my own death | - Pete Trewavas ()-( )\___ That no one ever dreams and lives | - Mark Kelly /\______/\__ (Marillion, The Bell In The Sea) | - Ian Mosley / /\ _ \_ __________________________________________|_______________/ | \/ / \
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 23:48:39 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Allen Karger'" <akarger@acs.bu.edu>, Subject: First Marillion-purchase... Message-ID: <01BB3954.658B88A0@ppp132.GlobalXS.nl>
On Jam #1515 Dave Fernquist said:
> Hey Itchy, What Marillion disk should I buy first? I've never heard > any of their music before (continuing the "which disk should I buy" > thread.....)
Though one... If you like early Genesis you could try:
* Script For A Jester's Tear (83) * Fugazi (84) * B'Sides Themselves (88) <- collection of b-sides from singles
The lyrics on Script & Fugazi are very cryptical. Marillion-fans have been talking about those for years... The music is very '70 prog-rock. Their (then) vocalist sounded a lot like Peter Gabriel at that point.
In the mid 80's they changed direction and started making more concept-based albums. The lyrics became more poetic IMO. They also got a much 'warmer' sound.
* Misplaced Childhood (85) (contains their hit-single 'Kayleigh') * Clutching At Straws (87)
Misplaced Childhood is considered to be their best album by a lot of die-hard fans. It consists of 10 songs of which the first five and last five songs are all connected. You probably won't even be able to tell when one song ends and the other song begins at first... It's a wonderfull album... Get it..!
IMO 'Clutching at Straws' is even better, though...
After 'Clutching', their singer 'FISH' left the band and was replaced by a guy called 'STEVE HOGARTH' in '89... This was a polarizing event. A lot of fans gave up on Marillion and became Fish-fans. A lot of them kept believing in Marillion... I did both, although Fish has been a real dissappointment the last couple of albums... (IMO) Steve Hogarth is very different from Fish, in any way possible... His still fits like a glove, though...
After Steve Hogarth joined them in '89, they have made four studio- albums:
* Seasons End
A very strong album. Contains some really great songs. Easter, Berlin and the Space are not to be missed.
* Holidays In Eden
According to most Marillion fans this is their worst album... It contains some pretty 'radio-friendly' songs. It also contains some Marillion-classics (Splintering Heart, The 'This Town', 'The Rakes Progress' and '100 Nights'-trilogy)
* Brave
Everyone should have this one ! It's a concept album like no other. It's about girl who is found wondering on a bridge, intending to jump off... The police manage to get her off that bridge... But when they ask her name she says nothing... not a word... The come to the conclusion that she's deaf & dumb (she isn't). As a desperate attempt to find her parents, they put a description of her on a local radio station. The next day her parents pick her up at the police station... This happened sometime in '85 Steve Hogarth (the singer) kept an article about it and in '93 they wrote & recorded the album 'Brave' which was released (long overdue) in '94. They sorta made up a story on why & how she got on that bridge... They also had a movie made about it (sorta like Pink Floyd's The Wall)
It's a 71:08 long epic concept album... Most songs are connected through instrumental pieces or samples. Half the songs consist of several sections. There are lot's of need links, connecting those songs. Highlights are: Runaway, Goodbye To All That, The Great Escape (IMO). There are two version of 'The Great Escape'... The 'happy' one on the album, on which she is 'saved' and the sad one on the single, on which she actually jumps off the bridge. The single also features a brilliant 10 minute instrumental jam, The Marouatte Jam !!!
Sorry about rambling on about this album, but it's worth it...
* Afraid Of Sunlight
To me, this is like 'Empire' after 'Operation: Mindcrime'... You can't repeat yourself by doing the same thing over... There's no way you're gonna top that last album... So you just don't try... You just make the best album you can, and they did. I have to say that anything after 'Brave' would have been a let down, so I don't ever compare the both...
Afraid Of Sunlight contains some really great tracks (Gazpacho, Out Of This World, Afraid Of Sunlight, King). This one is also kind of a concept album. It's basically about how fame & fortune can turn your life to shit (to put it bluntly)... It's about people like OJ, Mike Tyson, Elvis, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon etc.. If you check this one out... Don't be fooled by 'Cannibal Surf Babe'... That's not what they're about... (CSB is a kick-ass beach boys-like song about a cross between Pamela Anderson and Hannibal Lector, it's totally un-Marillion, but it's really funny)
You could try their 'Singles Collection'-cd first... But IMO that one doesn't do them justice... It's a cool cd to own if you want the single-versions of those Marillion-oldies with alternative endings...
They also released three live albums over the years...
* Real To Reel (84) with Fish on vocals (I think some of it was recorded when they opened for Rush)
* The Thieving Magpie (88) with Fish on vocals (probably wouldn't have been released if Fish hadn't left)
* Made Again (96) with Steve Hogarth on vocals (Disc 2 contains the entire album 'Brave')
Hope I didn't bother anyone with this rather long (NDTC) post... It's just... When I start talking/typing about Marillion, I totally loose control... "You never get over it... You get used to it"
Allen Karger: I intended to reply to you privately about Marillion, but after writing this I thought... Why not send it to Allen too... Let me know if this answers your question, +ok ?
Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos,
Itchy (NOT Bitchy), The Garantueed Eternal Market Square Hero Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - Itchy@dreamt.org
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