YTSEJAM Digest 1525
Today's Topics:
1) Re: King Crimson
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/07/96 - 02:00:45" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) King Crimson with Wetton on vox - S&BB
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
4) King Crimson albums with Wetton on vocals - Red
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
5) NDTC, but it's a good riddle, does anyone have an idea?
by "Death, Delirium, Desire, Despair, Destiny, Destruction, and Dream"
6) Love Bites!
by "C.S. Frankel" <96sp211@dvc.edu>
7) my guesses for the SECRET
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
8) more on that 2cd and touring thread.
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
9) QR's SSM & pam moore
by Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu>
10) A fortune in lies
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
11) Re: The Secret
by blane@nla.gov.au
12) Hysteria
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1524
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) Re: the SECRET (ooooh, ahhhhh)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
15) The Secret
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
16) Re: The Secret
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:52:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: King Crimson
Message-ID: <0lXdvH200YUf0Rv0g0@andrew.cmu.edu>
Definitely go for Red and the Larks Tongues In Aspic. Red is
incredibly bleak but also quite awesome... Larks tongues has its
amazing parts as well, but its not as consistantly cool. its a little
more experimental, though. well, a lot more. but Red is a real
monster... Wetton's vocals are very elegant. the mood of Red
throughout is kinda like walking through the snowy, empty streets of
the city on christmas eve all alone. larks tongues isn't quite as
dark.
starless and bible black isn't bad, but it doesn't really have
anything that sticks out. go for Red first, then Larks Tongues. then
Vrooom
we'll steal your dreams ----william bajzek---- the realm of the freaks
control your minds ------------http://--------- is to solve the demise
persecute the fools ----phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu---- ravage the lifeless
left behind -------------------/~wb2a/---------------- blinded by lies
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Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 20:59:19 EDT
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Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 20:06:02 -0700
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: King Crimson with Wetton on vox - S&BB
Message-ID: <318EBE1A.407D@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Part two in response to Pat's request: (note that I recommended Larks
Tongues in Aspic as the best starting disk, but I like all of these
albums... Starless & Bible Black is probably my favorite of the studio
albums with Wetton on vocals, it has some of his best singing
Starless and Bible Black - 1974
Lineup: David Cross - Violin, Violia, Keyboards
Robert Fripp - Guitar, Mellotron, Devices
John Wetton - Bass, Vocals
Bill Bruford - Percussion
Songs: The Great Deceiver (4:03)
(Basically a song about the Devil, crazy lyrics, heavy
with cool bass riff during the refrain, segues into
Lament)
Lament (4:02)
(A song about the exploitation in the music business,
from the hopes of a young band, to the realization that
it is only a matter of time until you get screwed.
Begins with a bass, violin feature along with Wetton's
vocals, best Palmer-James lyrics (IMO))
We'll Let You Know (3:41)
(An instrumental improvisational piece, kinda funked
at times due to Wetton's bass)
The Night Watch (4:42)
(A song about the famous painting of the same name,
depicts the life of a city guard... and the description
of the town, good Fripp guitar parts during the lyrical
delivery, kinda soaring, nice solo)
Trio (5:41)
(Violin, Bass, Guitar trio song, nice and peaceful, kinda
song for mourning loss, Bruford is given credit on the
song for not playing, hence no drums.)
The Mincer (4:09)
(Bass and drum rhythm over guitar solo and dense chords)
Starless & Bible Black (9:14)
(Improvisation, lots of wierd playing, as in any improv,
lots of Fripp shreading on this one)
Fracture (11:17)
(Fripp lays down an intricate guitar lead in, met by a
bass riff, into and into a variation on Fripp's lead
part from the beginning of the song, lots of percussion
going on)
Part III coming soon... Red
Later,
Mike
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Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 20:22:37 -0700
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: King Crimson albums with Wetton on vocals - Red
Message-ID: <318EC1FD.5C95@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
This is part three of my posts on King Crimson...
Red - 1974
Lineup: Robert Fripp: Guitar, Mellotron
John Wetton: Bass, Vocals
Bill Bruford: Percussion
(guests on violin, sax, oboe, cornet)
Songs: Red (6:16)
(Heavy instrumental, still played live by the current
incarnation of the band, the riff is repeated by the
different insturments in turn and other band members
follow around the riff, bass chord progression about
3:00 into the song)
Fallen Angel (5:58)
(Starts to heavy riff, leads into vocals by Wetton,
kinda melodic for a while, nice woodwind background
accompanyment, sounds like the oboe, guitar builds into
the refrain, cornet solo during refrain)
One More Red Nightmare (7:07)
(Starts to heavy theme riff, into wild drumming by
Bruford who is in fly away jazz mode on this one,
Wetton comes in on heavier vocals, themes end to wild
drumming over sustained guitar chords, then back into
lyrics)
Providence (8:06)
(An improvisational piece long violin solo at the
beginning other instruments add color, lots of crazy
violin through the first three minutes of the piece,
continues with wildness and guitar and bass have solos)
Starless (12:18)
(starts with Mellotron and bass riff, with drums, guitar
plays the theme of the song, Wetton comes in on passion
filled vocals shortly afterword, sax comes into the
refrain and solos, continues during next verse, song
breaks into an insturmental break for several minutes
with a later reprise of the lyrical theme, really
nice "epic" Crimson piece)
Well for those who have survived this stuff, please check out this group,
they are incredible musicians. The other two sets with Wetton on vocals
The Great Deceiver (an incredible 4CD live set from this group)
USA (an out of print live album featuring same group, overdubbed violin
by Eddie Jobson (UK))
Later,
Mike
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Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 21:43:13 EDT
From: "Death, Delirium, Desire, Despair, Destiny, Destruction, and Dream"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC, but it's a good riddle, does anyone have an idea?
Message-ID: <009A1F1D.7D96F9C0.20@bigvax.alfred.edu>
THERE ARE 3 WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE THAT END IN "GRY"
1. HUNGRY
2. ANGRY
3. ?
EVERYONE USES THE WORD EVERYDAY AND KNOWS WHAT IT STANDS FOR.
IF YOU LISTENED CAREFULLY I ALREADY TOLD YOU WHAT THE WORD IS.
*
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: "C.S. Frankel" <96sp211@dvc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Love Bites!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960506185008.19376A@viking.dvc.edu>
I have Def Leppard's Hysteria too. It wasn't my first tape, but
it was close.
Want to know what my first tape was? Didn't think so. But i'll
tell you anyway: INXS - Kick
*charone loses the respect of everybody on the ytsejam
@ .. @ /\_/\
(----)^{Alllrrighty then!} ( o.o )
( >__< ) > - <
Charone Frankel
<96sp211@dvc.edu>
"Death is the first dancing turrtellle!!- James LaBrie
"Hey man, where's your sense of humor?" -Bart Simpson
"Viva El Salvador!"- Jim Carrey
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 21:20:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: durnik@indirect.com
Subject: my guesses for the SECRET
Message-ID: <199605070220.AA06038@metronet.com>
here are my (far-fetched) guesses...
-dt to record concept album
-dt to tour with rush
-dt to allow taping
-dt to hand out soundboard DATs at every show
-dt to pay me to tape them :)
-dt to get kevin moore back
-dt to play college station, tx
(these are in decreasing order of likeliness to ever happen in
this lifetime) ;)
as much as i hate to say it, i really hope they dont allow taping
because i know i would get fired for taking 3 months off to follow
them around :)
<><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><>
<>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><>
"You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free.
Everything that is contradictory creates life."
-Salvador Dali, 1980
<><><><><><><><><>DAT Taper/Trader - Email me for list<><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><><><><>< http://www.metronet.com/~lerxst/ ><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:32:01 -0700
From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: more on that 2cd and touring thread.
Message-ID: <199605070232.TAA10833@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
if you wanna see the beginning of this go back a few jams and look for
it... getting on with it ->
>Point #1: Smashing Pumpkins' song-lengths don't even come close to
>Dream Theater's. If the issue is a time-constraint based on a sudden
>ton of new material, it's DT who will be playing less in the event of
>a double-disc, twenty-track release. Capice?
no, dt will still play the same amount of their songs... even if they
didnt do a double album they'd still play the same amount of songs, i'm
saying with the double album (btw this is really outdated because i
like the idea of one album and releases on singles and stuff by now,
but to defent my previous point) there'd be more new songs to play, and
the same amount of songs would be done.
whats more, they'll still have the same amount of songs, just some wont
be on the new album.
>Point #2: Smashing Pumpkins aren't in the 1% of good alternative
>bands. They're in the top 5%, but they can't break into the high
>levels until Billy Corgan grows his hair back.
or james iha puts that dress back on
>"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
"Moo moo i love cow cow milk."
>Gee, Ozzy only has what...63 albums to choose from? So what if he
>doesn't play the new material, he's got years of classics to jam on
>for four hours. His setlist of "possible songs to play live" far
>outnumbers DT's. I still think a twenty-track release is crazy, unless
>they include the card they did in Awake so fans could mail in which
>songs are their most/least favorites.
exactly, which was the point i was making... doing a double album
shouldn't affect their touring much at all. tu capice? besides,
putting a card in after is kind of like
<POW!> "FREEZE!" "sometimes they just never listen..." :)
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 19:35:04 -0700 (MST)
From: Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: QR's SSM & pam moore
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960506192649.10687D-100000@general1.asu.edu>
On Fri, 3 May 1996, Stephen Bajzek wrote:
> > i was under the impression tate just
> > went falsetto for those lines in SSM where "mary" is talking, and that
> > pamela moore just did the "what are you doing out there in the rain?" line
> > and any others i cant recall at this moment.
>
> I thought that for a long time too, since her voice is similar to tates,
> but on the livecrime video, she's clearly singing all of Mary's parts.
no. this is wrong. i don't buy it at all. i think she is clearly
_lip-synching_ but i dont see any wayshe is actually singing. those
lines on livecrime are *exactly* like the lines on O:M. there is _no_
difference at all. none. i could be wrong. i just dont think i am
and because no one cares, the cds i have listened to today (or will
listen to tonight) while writing a paper: flyby night, 2112, AFtK,
Hemispheres, PeW, signals, PoW, presto, RtB, counterparts, rage for
order, livecrime, empire, promised land, alien love secrets, awake, (and
just to listen to something different) aurora gory alice and wholesale
meats and fish. writing papers suck, but the music is SOOO good. here's
looking to hearing dt and satch tomorrow...
keith
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:40:36, -0500
From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A fortune in lies
Message-ID: <199605070240.WAA15964@mime2.prodigy.com>
This one goes out to the rockin cabbie. Look no further than at
the start of the lyrics for AFIL. " For the first time in a long
time, everything was right in my world, and then I woke up!"
Yes I actually just went out and bought Brave by Marillion on
suggestion by Marc. I already had Misplaced Childhood though. So far
so good.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf
P.S. The above quote from AFIL is my life long motto!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:46:51 +0000
From: blane@nla.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Secret
Message-ID: <199605070254.MAA36714@email.nla.gov.au>
Maybe its:
Dream Theater to tour Australia!!! *cheer*
.
.
.
Maybe not.
Brett
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:52:31, -0500
From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hysteria
Message-ID: <199605070252.WAA18174@mime2.prodigy.com>
I hate to say it but Hysteria SUCKED COW BALLS, as did all Def
Leppard. This was a band that was competing in the club circuit
during the late 70's and early 80's with Iron Maiden. Maiden blows
away DL anyday. Plus DL was the real Spinal Tap except with
Guitarists instead of Drummers. I never owned Hysteria and never will.
The first Album I ever bought was Iron Maiden's The Number of the
Beast back in 1982. That was like pulling teeth to get it from my
parents back then.
So take note Bafu, I did not grow up on Wang Chung!!!!!
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf
GANDALF HAS SPOKEN TO ALL THE FREE PEOPLES OF MIDDLE EARTH
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:50:02 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1524
Message-ID: <19960507035000.AAA2289@mail.pananet.com>
>Paul's piece, "I Understand Completely" is so cheesy it couldn't be anyone
>but Paul. :) This is the song where he plays little acoustic solos, where
>I was able to clock him at 18nps (notes per second) because he's picking
>at a constant, uninterrupted pace for an extended period of time.
You must have a lot of spare time in your hands... but I believe he recorded
that at half speed and then sped it up... no wait that's what he does at the
very end...
>Yngwie I
>clocked at a strong 16nps, which means he could probably go a leetle beet
>faster if he would just start applying himself a little more, trying a few
>more solos here and there, and for God's sake getting over that terrible
>self-esteem deficiency.
>
Yeah, that guy should start believing he's a good guitarist for a change...
>All I remember is Nintendo's "Blaster Master" having the coolest
>sixth-level soundtrack that wildly mimicked speed metal, but unfortunately
Damn that game was cool... I don't think I ever finished it though :(
>Dangit, then it's probably a tour with that we-never-slow-down-we-go-
>everywhere-fast band. What was their name?
>
APURO!
> Nobody has guessed it yet on the Jam.
>
> One person has guessed it correctly in e-mail.
>
> Looks like the secret is safe until it happens. :)
>
>MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
>
OK at least tell us how long we have to wait for it to happen. Howz about
it, eh Mikey? :)
>I would recommend this album above Starless & Bible Black, Red, USA, and
>the Great Deceiver as a good starting album, I would say Great Deceiver,
>but it is a 4CD set and IMO too expensive to start with.
>
I get introduced via the GD boxed set which I checked out of the library...
in fact it's the only KC I've heard...
I understand that many consider Red to be the best from that era, though...
but still what can beat LTiA part2? The first REAL heavy metal riff :)
>hey remember elliots dream about Ben's mom posting to the jam?
>
Where's that kid anyway?
"OK...great, OK...listen Bert,uh...how about this one?"(this one,this
one,this one,this one, this one, etc.)
Ernie :)
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 21:03:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the SECRET (ooooh, ahhhhh)
Message-ID: <199605070403.AA06815@crl2.crl.com>
Uh-oh.... It isn't that Rush is opening for DT, or vice-versa.....
:) ~~~~~
Lesse.....
1) Free copies of NECRONOMICON for all list participants!
2) Mike Portnoy has agreed to a 1-on-1 with our own winnah and
champeen, Bafu Vai! "Let's get ready to rummmbllllle...!"
3) Free copies of the new DT album for all list participants!
(Which is actually a good idea for the label, but nevermind)
4) The new album will be 3-CDs and the third CD will be the full
Ronnie Scott's gig, suitably overdubbed for mass-market palates. :)
5) John Myung will speak! (Ooops, sorry, that was already mentioned
and Mike confirmed for us it ain't gonna happen. :) :))
6) DT will play Atlanta on this next tour! (Well, they probably will
anyway, but jus' makin' suuure....)
7) Bernd Basmer is actually John Petrucci in disguise and Superior is
a carefully-disguised side project. :)
8) Ben Laussade is actually Mike Portnoy in disguise.....ahh, you get
the picture. :)
.....and my "real" guess....
9) DT will play either ProgDay or Progscape, or both. :)
-- +--- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com http://www.crl.com/~vanyel ---+ | Rush * Robert Jordan * Bonedance * Michael Moorcock * Metallica | | James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Robert Heinlein * NIN * Dead | | Can Dance * Mercedes Lackey * Mutha's Day Out * Raymond Feist....|------------------------------
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Secret Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605070049.A23512-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
So, the new Jam comes, and I see this:
> YTSEJAM Digest 1524 > > Today's Topics: > > 5) The SECRET > by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
Woohoo! He's gonna fill us in!
> From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> > Subject: The SECRET > > Nobody has guessed it yet on the Jam. > > One person has guessed it correctly in e-mail. > > Looks like the secret is safe until it happens. :)
Damn you!!! :)
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: The Secret Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960507003551.17837B-100000@oak.liii.com>
My guesses on this secret thing
1- A real concept album. 2- Ronnie Scott video 3- Itchy turns 90% of DT fans onto Marillion and they will tour together. 4- All future DT songs will be in F# instead of F-Sharp. 5- Mike Bahr's CDs will sell for $5 each. 6- Petrucci will buy Sega Saturns for all Jam members. 7- John Myung speaks and utters the third word in the 'gry' riddle. 8- Berklee will start giving out guarantees with their diplomas 9- Necrophilia will also be released as a music-only CD at regular price. 10- I'll get an EOJ with my only post this month.
Andy
"Live fast, "There's only one way Be a spark and glow awhile of life, You'll be dead a long, long time" And that's your own" -B. Geldof - Levellers
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