YTSEJAM Digest 1530
Today's Topics:
1) I'm very sorry...
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/08/96 - 00:08:42" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Re: Who else has DT opened for?
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
4) Re: Seed
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Oh yeah, that guy)
5) About marillion....
by swb2@lehigh.edu (Swarup Bandyopadhyay)
6) Re: Seed
by Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
7) You guys are all wrong. ALL OF YOU!!!
by kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
8) Op Mindcrime
by kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
9) Rush note
by Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
10) Suite Sister Mary
by Bogie34@aol.com
11) Road to Promised Land
by Bogie34@aol.com
12) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1529
by "MojoMan" <Mojonet@pb.net>
13) Seed!
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
14) Tear The Roof Of the Mutha!!!
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
15) Pantera II
by swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
16) Magna Carta Bands, a rundown
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
17) Reminder for the Ethyl Mertz gig
by Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:02:17 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Dream Theater Mailing List'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I'm very sorry...
Message-ID: <01BB3C7A.4227C580@ppp137.GlobalXS.nl>
As our good friend Pat Griffin (Gabbo) pointed out to me via
private e-mail, some of you are getting pretty sick of me
'shoving Marillion down your throats'. If this is indeed true...
I'm extremely sorry... I thought exposing people to something else
than flames-wars might be a nice change... Guess I was wrong...
Personally I haven't seen ANY complaints about my posts on the jam.
Could you please tell me what the hell you're talking about ?
(digest numbers + names, please...)
I certainly haven't heard anyone complain on IRC... I actually got
about 10 private messages from people asking about 'them', that album
of theirs I love so much and their mailinglist... I thought I was
helping people out... Guess I was wrong again...
If anyone got something out of my posts (meaning: you really got into
that band I'm not going to mention anymore) then that makes me very
happy. Hearing from you would help a lot...
Pat (Gabbo), I know you told me you weren't flaming me... but it
really feels like you were... So much that I'm even considering
unsubscribing... I don't need this... Maybe I'm being oversensitive...
Maybe I'm too stupid to realize when enough is enough...
Maybe I should just shut up...
PS. Pat, I know that you didn't want to take this to the Jam, but I
thought that if there's any truth to your message, apologizing here
is the least I could do... Sorry about wasting your time + bandwidth...
Mark, the Jammer formerly known as Itchy...
Bredius@GlobalXS.nl
________________________________________________________________________
mmmm___
I sent some messages mentioning 'them' earlier today... / \___
Ignore them... C"` D\__
()^( ) \_
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Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 19:07:16 EDT
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To: ytsejam@ax.com
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:24:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Who else has DT opened for?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960507192326.7767C-100000@rowan.liii.com>
On Tue, 7 May 1996, Mark Bredius wrote:
> Pat Daugherty asked on Jam #1523
>
> > 3. So DT opened for Iron Maiden? Who else has DT opened for?
>
> M A R I L L I O N ! ! !
>
> ..in '89, still with Chuckie D.
They also opened for Marillion in '90, without Chuckie D.
Andy
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:30:57 -0400
From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Oh yeah, that guy)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Seed
Message-ID: <96050719305708@acl.nyit.edu>
>>On an unrelated note, Andy Miller from Delaware (the Miracle) tipped meoff to a
new band yesterday called Seed. So, I found a web page andlistened to a couple
of .wav's. Man, these guys are good. I just boughtthe album today. I'm
trying to think of a comparison, and the one ideathat keeps running through my
head is echolyn. If you like echolyn, Ithink you'll like Seed. Their major
debut is called "Ling" (get it?),
and I bought it at a regular everyday store. It rocks. Go get it.<<
Ive had this CD for a while and it isnt bad. I think lyrically they
need a little work, but its not too bad. As for the Echolyn comparison, I dont
know, I dont know much about Echolyn except from when they opened up for DT.
This album came out in 1994, but I havent heard anything from them since,
anyone know whats going on with them?
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Chambers jforte@acl.nyit.edu
"I turned to look at you, to read my thoughts upon your face,
and gazed so deep into your eyes, so beautiful and strange, until
you spoke, and showed me understanding is a dream."
---The Cure
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Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 19:53:09 EDT
From: swb2@lehigh.edu (Swarup Bandyopadhyay)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: About marillion....
Message-ID: <199605072353.TAA79181@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>
About Itchy asking if anyone has found his posts annoying, all I have to say
is that I like his input. He might go off about them sometimes but overall I
think his input is good. I love the band, not as much as DT, and definately
not as much as Rush. So Itchy, I love it when you post stuff about Marillion
Keep on doin' it unless the rest of the jammers don't want you to!
Jam on!
Later....
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:54:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Seed
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960507194649.11951B-100000@wicked.stigmata.org>
Seed got a lot of air play on MTV's alternative nation, and on WDRE a local
alternative radio station. Weird because a few songs border on the
grunge sound but like D-Man said they are more like Yes, or echolyn but
heavier. Whatever, there new album should be out soon, check the home
page for deatils. And if you live in the Texas area they play like every
rat ass bar in the area. "Ling" like Chris said is easy, very easy to
find so go out and buy it.
Oh I almost forgot, WHAT THE HELL DOES *The Miracle* mean? No clue D-man.
Later,
andy
>On an unrelated note, Andy Miller from Delaware (the Miracle) tipped me
>off to a new band yesterday called Seed. So, I found a web page and
>listened to a couple of .wav's. Man, these guys are good. I just bought
>the album today. I'm trying to think of a comparison, and the one idea
>that keeps running through my head is echolyn. If you like echolyn, I
>think you'll like Seed. Their major debut is called "Ling" (get it?),
>and I bought it at a regular everyday store. It rocks. Go get it.
>Thanks for the tip, Andy!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/
> "@'/ ,. \`@" cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@"
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:52:44 +0800
From: kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You guys are all wrong. ALL OF YOU!!!
Message-ID: <v01510100adb4bf69f667@[206.14.103.54]>
You want to know what the big secret is? I think its that Mike is a jerky
for keeping us in suspense for so long.
: )
But Ill throw in my guess, everyone on the jam will start a pot and collect
enough for me to fly my ass over to the east coast for the YtseCon III.
Hey Mike-jerky-Bahr, do I win?
Jon
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:56:21 +0800
From: kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Op Mindcrime
Message-ID: <v01510101adb4c07f37be@[206.14.103.54]>
Could someone repost the story for Operation Mindcrime again? I just got
the CD and like it...
Um, did I mention Mikes a jerky? But he is getting me a copy of AD, so its
all good : )
Jon
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:58:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush note
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960507195436.11951C-100000@wicked.stigmata.org>
Did anyone see this I thought it was kind of funny.
Andrew Miller Real people get mail from my other account,
andym@dreamt.org only there will you see the true signatures
--or-- of Andy Miller. Thanks go out to Ryan, for
ytsejam@Udel.Edu without him this .sig would not be possible.
>From: rush-mgr@syrinx.umd.edu (The RUSH Fans Digest Manager)
>Date: Fri May 3 22:35:08 PDT 1996
>Subject: Administrivia
>Quick recap in case you missed it...
>The new Rush album entitled "Test For Echo" will be released on August 20th.
>It has 12 tracks, one of which is an instrumental. A tour should be
>following
>soon after (i have this sneaking suspicion after lurking around the dream
>theater mailing list that they might be touring with them...)
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:03:36 -0400
From: Bogie34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Suite Sister Mary
Message-ID: <960507200336_486360010@emout08.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-05-07 06:19:48 EDT, you write:
<< I'm pretty sure that Tate sang Mary's parts in SSM. I think I read this
in some mag. but am not sure so don't quote me.
>>
Nope! A woman by the name of Pamela Moore sang Mary's parts on Suite Sister
Mary. To confirm this, check out the CD booklet. Just to letcha know...
Bogie
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:03:57 -0400
From: Bogie34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Road to Promised Land
Message-ID: <960507200357_486360294@emout17.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-05-07 06:19:48 EDT, you write:
<< Just thought I'd mention for those who were looking for a bootleg of
Queensryche's Radio show from the Promised Land tour, I found one called
"State of the Art" that's probably from the radio show. It's from the
concert that night, claims to be soundboard, and is missing a few songs
(commercial break?), so it seems like an edit of the radio show. SOund
quality is excellent, but Geoff was sick that night and is off key at much
of the beginning :( But, I was there, so it's fun to own. They did have
toi cut out "Best I can" and "The Needle Lies" tho. :(>>
If you are looking for a full copy of the show, there is a bootleg out called
"Saints and Sinners" It's 2 CDs and has the entire show. Although Geoff did
have bronchitis, I think he pulled off a helluva job that night. The
announcers said that he didn't even have a voice when he woke up. Amazing!
Oh, BTW, if any of you jammers want a copy of the show, I can dub it for
you. Just e-mail me privately.
Bogie
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:13:09 -0400
From: "MojoMan" <Mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1529
Message-ID: <199605080013.RAA29100@mindcrime.ax.com>
> From: buster <buster@ee.net>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Burying the Hatchet!
> Message-ID: <318FF80E.3B47@ee.net>
>
> > If you read 5/6 of the posts I placed in the past 3 weeks, you'd
notice1
> > the I stuck my whole head up my ass!!! Don't worry, we're
all family
> > here until I start posting stupid shit!
> > M O J O M A N S P E A K S
>
> In light of this part of Mojomans last post, I too would like to openly
admit to
> suffering some recent bouts of cranial-rectal inversion myself, and
publicly "bury the
> hatchet" with him. I'm even going as far as to say that; yes, I
re-xamined my original
> post and I think it could have been worded better....not that it was
wrong, but could've
> been put across differently. Hindsight is always 20/20. I also thought
it was pretty
> cool that we spent 60 seconds in the same IRC channel together without
saying stupid
> shit to each other! What do you say Mojo?? Peace?
>
You got it man!!! Dude, I was more of an ass in that series of
flaming...Wanna know the funny thing...I can't seem to remember what the
hell we were arguing about!!!!!
BTW, When were we in IRC together???
God...I gotta get my memory checked....Must be bad parity or some shit
like that...
MojoMan
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:42:52 -0700
From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Seed!
Message-ID: <199605080042.RAA13537@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
On an unrelated note, Andy Miller from Delaware (the Miracle) tipped me
off to a new band yesterday called Seed. So, I found a web page and
>listened to a couple of .wav's. Man, these guys are good. I just
>bought the album today. I'm trying to think of a comparison, and the
>one idea that keeps running through my head is echolyn. If you like
>echolyn, I think you'll like Seed. Their major debut is called "Ling"
>(get it?), and I bought it at a regular everyday store. It rocks. Go
>get it.
dude! i got into them over a year ago probably by now, when i heard
Rapture at about 1 am one night. yeah these guys totally rock and i
second the motion to check 'em out. Heres my thing- if you like good
music you'll like seed ;)
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:22:52 PST
From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tear The Roof Of the Mutha!!!
Message-ID: <19960507.194806.8087.1.nishiki@juno.com>
Hi everyone, this is my first YTSEJAM post in 2 years!
(Did I miss anything? :) )
THANKS to ye who mentioned the free Funkmeister concert! I won't be
missing that one!
There's been tons of Marillion talk here lately. . .I just listened to Brave for the first time today. It's interesting, but I'm still more
partial to the Fish-era. For you Marillion fans, I picked up a disc
called Songs From The Lion's Cage by a band called Arena. Their style
is very Marillionesque. In fact, the thank-yous include "all the
Marillion fan clubs". In fact, Steve Rothery plays on one track. In
fact, this band might as well BE Marillion! The moral is, if you like
Marillion, buy this one(if you can find it). Now that I've tempted
y'all, here's the label:
Griffin Music Inc.
PO Box 87587
Carol Stream, IL 60188-7587
Fax: (708) 858-7806
email: GrifMus@aol.com
The disc has a list of some other interesting titles they carry, mainly
reissues, like The Best of Babe Ruth (anyone remember them?).
Is ANYONE here familiar with the band Mr. So & So, which put out an album
a few years ago called Paraphernalia on a British label called Pagan
Records? I randomly picked it up in a used shop in Miami a few years
ago, and it's one of my all-time favorite albums, out of my 750 discs
it's one of the top 10 most played! I REALLY would like to find out
whatever happened to this band, or if they put out any other material.
Any help is vastly appreciated!
OK, for some DT-related content, does anyone know if Meanstreak is still
around, and if so, what are they up to?
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:48:26 -0600
From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pantera II
Message-ID: <199605080248.UAA11457@henge.com>
I have gotten a rash of new albums lately. Here are some reviews.
PANTERA-THE GREAT SOUTHERN TRENDKILL
Just released in my part of the country today, and I have listened to it 3
times in the span of three hours. Is it just me, or is Phil's voice getting
better with each album? The two Suicide Note songs are the best Pantera
songs ever. Such effective lyrics. First so negative, then so positive.
Something Metallica failed to do with Fade To Black. The trend is dead!!!
SEPULTURA-ROOTS
I don't care if they suck live. A very powerful album. It kicked all ass.
Especially on Ratamahatta. Their songwriting skills have definitley progressed.
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE-EVIL EMPIRE
Totally cool. The guitar sounds are really cool. Morello is the only
person who can build a riff by unplugging his guitar. The lyrics are
catchier than last time, especially on Down Rodeo. It has parts where there
is too much to listen to at once, then they come in with a groove that makes
me want to break it down. Kick ass.
SIXTEEN HORSEPOWER-SACKCLOTH 'N' ASHES
What if a band had heard country and blues but never heard rock? The answer
is Sixteen HP. A prominent Denver band that at least deserves recognition
for origionality. They bring back instruments from the 19th century. No
one does what they do, no one even tries. What they lack in
technicality(cut them some slack, they can play instruments you've never
even seen) they make up for in musical honesty. Great band.
Feel free to criticize.
Later,
Cory
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:01:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries)
Subject: Magna Carta Bands, a rundown
Message-ID: <199605080301.XAA15259@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey,
People have been asking about the Magna Carta Bands a lot lately,
so I thought I'd give some short reviews of the albums I have:
Cairo: '80's progressive sound. Songs are diverse in the way
that they sound and feel, yet still sound like Cairo.
Too many o.k. instrumental jams. Sometimes reminds me
of Genesis and sometimes Yes.
Magellan: 3 guys, no drummer. This band is way-awsome in that
they have very interesting, very long songs, three
of which are over 11 mins. However, it is not hard
to see Magellan's influences, for they become their
influences with every key change. On the first track
you'll swear your listening to Styx, then Genesis, then
Yes, ......etc. (IMO)
Shadow Gallery: My personal favorite. Sometimes reminds me of Asia.
They have that '80's prog sound, but it doesn't come
across as nostalgic as Cairo. (IMO) the 2nd track
"Crystalline Dream" is one of all-time favorite songs.
World Trade: My least favorite. Sometimes reminding me of a cross
between King's X, boring Yes, and a Joe Satriani tune
that I can't quite place. Don't get me wrong. Their a
good group, just don't listen to it after Shadow Gallery
or, say.......Dream Theater.
Enchant: I don't have their album yet, but the stuff on the Trib's
that I have is excellant, especially "Changes" on the Yes
tribute.
Supper's Ready, Genesis Tribute:
This is a good tribute album, one of the better to have
been released within recent years. Mostly, captures the
Peter Gabriel years, which is very cool. A wide variety
of musicians play on this album, not just the Magna Carta
Bands (i.e. Kevin Gilbert, Annie Haslam, Richard Sinclair.)
Tales From Yesterday, Yes Tribute:
THIS IS A MUST-HAVE!!!!! If you like progressinve rock
and you like Yes, you must own this tribute. Every track
on this album is outstanding. The tracklist speaks for
itself:
Robert Berry: Roundabout
Stanley Snail: Siberian Khatru
Steve Morse: Mood For A Day
Magellan: Don't Kill The Whale
Steve Howe & Annie Haslam: Turn Of The Century
Shadow Gallery: Release, Release
World Trade: Wonderous Stories
Cairo: South Side Of The Skies
Patrick Moraz: Soon
Enchant: Changes
Peter Banks: Astral Traveler
Steve Morse: The Clap
Jeronimo Road: Starship Trooper
There is enough energy on this album to light up the universe for
eternity. I love this album.
-Koggie
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John R. Kotzian.....................................koggie@cyberspace.org
Aunty Em,
Hate You. Hate Kansas. Taking the dog.
Dorothy
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:09:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Reminder for the Ethyl Mertz gig
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93L.960507230304.9359A-100000@ciao.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey all! Just sending out a reminder for those who are going to the Ethyl
MErtz gig (or for those who lost the directions, *ahem*):
Who: Ethyl Mertz
w/ Derek Sherinian
Al Pitrelli
Greg Smith
other special guests
Where: People's Bar and Grill
1972 Jericho Turnpike
Elwood, Long Island
(516) 499-2708
When: Friday, May 10th
The band opens at 10pm
What do
I do?: Bring yourself
Bring your friends
Wear your ytsejam t-shirts
Don't get lost
Don't lose the directions
Don't stay home and listen to Green Day
What are you waiting for? Start writing this stuff down!
TTYL!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*>
<*> Columbia University <*> (212) 853-6952 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
"Aladdin! You just won the heart of the princess! What are
you gonna do next?" --- Genie, Disney's Aladdin
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