YTSEJAM Digest 1529
Today's Topics:
1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1527
by "Doug Cronkhite" <dougc@cerf.net>
2) To Brian Cox-Tape Tree II
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) Re: Magna Carta bands...
by schew@tis.com
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1528
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
5) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1528
by "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net>
6) Pantera/Vic Wooten/Bass tabs etc.
by WP1839@conrad.appstate.edu
7) Secret..Dt video
by kurt@fgallery.com
8) Progscape 1996 + Power Windows
by dhplotki@students.wisc.edu (David Plotkin)
9) The Great Southern Trendkill
by dhplotki@students.wisc.edu (David Plotkin)
10) The Great Southern Trend Kill
by "Doug Cronkhite" <dougc@cerf.net>
11) 8 tracks and other memorabilia
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
12) Re: Def Leppard
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
13) Secret Guess, Pyromania, No More Tape Trees
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
14) Derek's Gig!
by Kevin Rios <krios@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
15) Berklee Bass Head
by napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
16) Angry, Hungry, ?
by GHSRocker@aol.com
17) Burying the Hatchet!
by buster <buster@ee.net>
18)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
19) The secret, and Seed
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:46:22 -0700
From: "Doug Cronkhite" <dougc@cerf.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1527
Message-ID: <199605071942.MAA19712@smtp2.cerf.net>
> It's reminiscent of a bunch of your colegues busting on Winger because
> they are uncool now, without realizing that Winger had one of the
greatest
> Drummer's in the outfit and a very good guitarist. Don't confuse
> accomplishment with hype!
Not that I'm jumping on the Winger fan club.. but remember that Kip
Winger, and Paul Taylor (Winger's other guitarist) played with Alice
Cooper for a few years.. They're good musicians (not great), even though
they can't seem to write beyond crotch level..
Doug
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:51:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: To Brian Cox-Tape Tree II
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960507154824.9097C-100000@bdmserver>
Brian you've got to do another tape tree. There are a lot of jammers who
loved the first effort. anyone who complains about the quality must be an
idiot. What, do people expect an audience boot to sound like LATM?
Lets start a petition for Brian to release the second tape tree...
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:07:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@tis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: bwherry@acs.bu.edu
Subject: Re: Magna Carta bands...
Message-ID: <10178.9605072007@ragnarok.tis.com>
> Can anyone tell us about the bands Enchant and Cairo? I know
>they're on Magna Carta and I think they've been mentioned on the jam
>before, but I don't want to make a purchase based on that alone. You
>see, I went out and purchased two CDs the other day, one by World Trade
>and one by Tempest (both are on Magna Carta, so I was thinking, "I can't
>go wrong!"). Let's just say they have nice cover art.
>
You picked up two of the least 'progressive' of the Magna Carta
bands. Magellan, Shadow Gallery, Enchant and Cairo have more progressive
tendencies. None of the Magna Carta bands are as heavy sounding as DT though.
Shadow Gallery is probably the closest to DT in overall sound (but
don't expect them to be like DT or as good -- they're different). I find
their music can get a bit cheesy at times, but a lot of DT fans (including
me) like their album "Carved in Stone".
Magellan is my favorite of the Magna Carta bands. They have a lot
of complex rhythms and melodies and great dynamics. They feature the keyboard
more than the guitar but it usually is used a driving style that I love. It
took me a little while to get used to the vocals, but now I love them. Try
"Impending Ascension".
Enchant is a little more guitar oriented and song oriented than
Shadow Gallery or Magellan. They are worth trying.
Cairo is the most keyboard oriented of the bands I mentioned. I
also find them a bit boring. The keyboards are well done, but they don't
grab you with good melodies or dramatic dynamics. I'd recommend the above
bands first.
It's too bad you had the bad luck the pick the least progressive
of the Magna Carta bands first. Hopefully, you'll enjoy the other bands
more. They're worth trying.
Let me know if you want more info...
Steve Chew
schew@tis.com
-- Steve Chew - schew@tis.com - http://www.clark.net/pub/iz/home.html "Commander, this little breach of security isn't going to affect my Christmas bonus, is it?" -- Garibaldi, "The Gathering" - Babylon 5------------------------------
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:10:12 -0700 From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero ) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1528 Message-ID: <199605072010.NAA25566@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>
>The Secret is .... > >Dream Theater is going to do a tribute album to Blind Melon
haha! hey did you just pull blind melon out of a hat, or didja read that thing too? for all who didnt - a year or so ago blind melon flamed the shit out of dream theater for being technical and talented, and when it was brought to john p's attention in a gw mag he just shrugged it off. what a nice guy man, he never rags on ANYONE! i guess its just that he's incredibly open minded... and he's the best so he doesnt really need to rag on others ;) ~Rip
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:49:22 -0400 From: "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1528 Message-ID: <199605072056.NAA26208@mindcrime.ax.com>
Brian wrote:
> I think Paul Gilbert totally did some tape speeding up and > whatnot on that GTRTW track. Bafu said it was like 18 notes per second? > Jeez! 16 notes per second is 32nd notes at 120 bpm, which is insane! > All of you that have seen JP's home video know that he has a tough time > with sixteenth notes at 208 (same as 32nd notes at 104), so that makes > what Yngwie and Paul are doing even more impressive, if we're talking > PICKED notes, that is. If Bafu's talking about hammered notes, that's a
> little more believable. (note to JP worshippers -- yes, he did it at > 208, but that was with distortion and the neck pickup, so as to disguise
> mistakes....)
Brian...I think the whole Idea of that song was to fool around with the timng of the tape on his 8 track.....If you notice, Paul does alot of ackwards shit in the middle...and towards the end he speeds up the tape considerably... He wasn't humanly doing that....I don't think it's very possible...
Interesting to note, other guitarists used technology to help their speed....Nuno Betancourt used a delay MIDIed to a Drum Machine in 'flight of the wounded bumble bee'
See Ya MojoMan
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Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 16:59:12 -0400 (EDT) From: WP1839@conrad.appstate.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Pantera/Vic Wooten/Bass tabs etc. Message-ID: <01I4FIV6TEV6CG9C4D@conrad.appstate.edu>
I know, I know; by now everyone who wanted it should have it, but to add my 2 cents on the new Pantera album: it's very heavy and extremely intense. It leans more towards Far Beyond Driven, but with a kind of groove thats just unexplainable. The reason it took me so long to post about it was the discovery of Victor Wooten's new solo album. (Bass players know who I'm talking about!) GET THIS ALBUM!!!! It's on the "Compass" label and is entitled "A Show of Hands." This album grooves beyond belief! (Not the same kind of Pantera groove, mind you.)
I need yet another favor. This time from all the ytse-bass players. I need transcriptions for: the Mirror, Voices, Learning to Live, Erotomania, and Pull Me Under. I'm trying to form a band and there's a few bass players I need to get the music to and a few have requested tab. It's my summer long quest to find a band. I already have two guitarists(counting myself) and my main objective is to find a really smokin' rhythm unit. Thanks in advance.
Has anyone noticed the statue on FW's Parallels & Perfect Symmetry to be the same one on the back of I&W? Just checking, I got into Fates a few months ago and while listening to Life in Still Water(good job James!) I noticed it.
As far as Mike Bahr's secret: SOMEBODY TELL ME!!!!!! AARRGGHH!!!
The notion of some people, actually bitchin' to Brian about the quality of the tape tree dub. The only thing I don't like about it is the fact that I was supposed to be at that show and every time I listen to it it makes me want to kick myself dead in the ass!! Great job Brian, I'm thoroughly pleased, but you know what they say: You can please some of the jammers all of the time, but you can't make em' drink! (yeah right, we got our own support group on the jam!!) Which reminds me, BEER drinkers do yourself a favor and try a Mackeson Triple Stout!!
later, Brandon Padgett
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:52:10 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Secret..Dt video Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.5.7.-16.52.10.2916992174.286734@bbs.fgallery.com>
Thatr would be a really cool thing..if that were the secret... lie ciaw and sm videos ..maybe the ronnie scots thing,and some awake live performances .. that would rule the world! Also it would be cool for them to make an ACos video /w the ronnie scot show you know like a ACOS video version .. the whole EP but in video .. a concept acos video and the ronnie scots gig hehe
PS:i know an ACOS concept video is too much to ask,but what the hell they dont have to release it ,only put it in the video tqape eheh
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:03:22 -0700 From: dhplotki@students.wisc.edu (David Plotkin) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Progscape 1996 + Power Windows Message-ID: <v02110103adb58378b545@[144.92.181.54]>
On June 29th and 30th at Towson State University in Baltimore, Progscape will be held. It's a two day festival with many bands involved. If any jammers are planning on going, email me privately and maybe we can hook up for a bit somwhere before/during/after the show.
Also, here's an update on Power Windows (the Rush cover band's) tour schedule for May in the NY metro area.
Sat, May 11 The Gateway Long Beach Island, NJ (609) 494-2816 Sat, May 18 NY Ave Huntington, Long Island (516) 427-2582 Sun, May 19 Mother's Wayne, NJ (201) 633-5544 This is a one-set benefit performance at 8pm, with lots of other bands on the bill; call Mother's for Fri, May 24 Knuckleheads Nyack, NY (914) 358-9604 Sat, May 25 Mother's Wayne, NJ (201) 633-5544 Sun, May 26 The Gateway Long Beach Island, NJ (609) 494-2816 Fri, May 31 The Comedy and Music Corner Middletown, NY (914) 344-8382 Sat, Jun 1 The Dugout Commack, Long Island (516) 499-5554
I intend on going to at least the shows on the 24th and 31st. If any of you jammers are going to this as well, let me know and maybe we can kick it for awhile before.
Later, everyone
Dave Plotkin
"Dreams transport desires, drive you when you're down Dreams transport the ones who need to get out of town."
-- Middletown Dreams
"Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha !?#@*&$%!..."
-- Sound Chaser
"For the first time In a long time... ..It's about music"
-- JP
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:03:35 -0700 From: dhplotki@students.wisc.edu (David Plotkin) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Great Southern Trendkill Message-ID: <v02110102adb582b98841@[144.92.181.54]>
Prepare to get knocked on your ass, boy, w/ the new Pantera album. Really heavy stuff. Vince fucking hammers on the double bass.
Still blown away!
Dave Plotkin
"Dreams transport desires, drive you when you're down Dreams transport the ones who need to get out of town."
-- Middletown Dreams
"Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha !?#@*&$%!..."
-- Sound Chaser
"For the first time In a long time... ..It's about music"
-- JP
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:18:36 -0700 From: "Doug Cronkhite" <dougc@cerf.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Great Southern Trend Kill Message-ID: <199605072115.OAA06759@nic.cerf.net>
This thing has enough unusual time stuff to almost be called... oh I don't know Prog/Thrash/Groove/Metal/??? It's really out there in some ways.. and then just when you think it's lost.. it drops back into some killer twisted evil heavy groove thang... VERY COOL SHIT.. 'bout time we had some great music showing up in stores..
-doug
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:16:56 -0400 From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 8 tracks and other memorabilia Message-ID: <9605072116.AA05404@pipe8>
Hello - Questions? Comments? Recipes? Call 1-800-232-8888 1. 8-Tracks and the way we were... Pat mentioned his first records as being Queen 8-Tracks. That's funny because I actually had Queen - "A Night at the Opera" on 8-Track, but I had no 8-Track. I had Kiss- "Hotter Than Hell" on 8T, too, so I guess those were my *real* first albums. What's the last 8T anyone saw? I think it was Ozzy's Bark at the Moon for me. 2. King's X Tour Info It was reported by Ty Tabor's wife on AOL that they were offered a few opening gigs on the Kiss reunion tour. Now, that would be some damn good publicity. 3. Missing Jam-part About three back the was the usual TOC and about three of the messages weren't there. Just me or was anyone else missing the precious EOJ, not to mention Ernesto's important post? -- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO WINGS!!! 6 down, 10 to go...
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Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 14:25:20 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Def Leppard Message-ID: <199605072122.OAA12793@ichips.intel.com>
Several years ago I heard a Def Leppard song on the radio, and afterward the DJ said, "...and that was Def Leppard, the band that couldn't take a hint..."
I thought it was kinda funny. =)
Jim
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 16:23:42 -0700 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Secret Guess, Pyromania, No More Tape Trees Message-ID: <318FDB7E.3D4D@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Secret Guess ------------ OK, I figured it wasn't the Rush thing, Rush never announces who is going to open for them this early, they usually keep everything under raps. I vote for Peter Collins as the new producer, or they are going to headline ProgDay 96 down in the Carolinas... I really hope it is the Progday show since I'll be attending anyways. I know it isn't Progscape because Chris would have told me about that, though he did try to get DT and Marillion last winter.
Pyromania --------- This is easily my favorite Def Leppard album, and really the only album by them I still listen to on a regular basis. Billy's got a Gun, great song. I think DL was OK through Hysteria then they really went to hell, Adrenalize was one of the most heavily produced album I ever heard. The guitars were so processed, they didn't sound real anymore. Plus the songwriting was really bad (Let's Get Rocked?), all IMO, I'm sure some DL fans will come to their defense.
The Death of the Brian Cox Tape Tree ------------------------------------ I'm really sorry to hear about this. Brian always does high quality recordings, of course they aren't as good sounding as Live at the Marque, but they really aren't meant to be. His recordings are consistantly better than a lot of DATs that are recently recorded, and this is based on emperical evidence. (I have a few tape copies of his DATs) I think you should just ban the complainers, the rest of us who appreciate and enjoy your work would really like to hear the other tapes.
Later,
Mike
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:49:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Rios <krios@suffolk.lib.ny.us> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek's Gig! Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.92.960507174700.14371A-100000@scls1>
I need the address or phone number of the place, I lost the paper I wrote it all down on! (DUH!!!!) If anyone is going please respond!
WilsonCat
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:01:51 -0500 From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Berklee Bass Head Message-ID: <v01510100adb57821e329@[204.71.98.33]>
Hiya, ha ha. When I at Berklee, I had a bass class with (the head of the Bass >dept. - can't remember his name). He told us about getting up at 6:00am >on Sunday to watch a show called Bass Masters. :)
Rich Appleman he is a very nice man-one hell of a bass player-I'm kinda miffed that the assistant head of the bass dept auditioned me-he was very nice and he accepted me, but he just wasn't Rich Appleman (Gotta love that ponytail)
Cheers!
napkins@clandjop.com Seth Hatlelid
"I just bought a Bass Masters Magazine and all the articles were about freakin fishing, not one word about Jaco or Myung. What gives!"
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:21:14 -0400 From: GHSRocker@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Angry, Hungry, ? Message-ID: <960507182113_530289278@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Meagry. <I think>. Later............ ********************************************************* Never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly.
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Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 18:25:34 -0700 From: buster <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Burying the Hatchet! Message-ID: <318FF80E.3B47@ee.net>
> If you read 5/6 of the posts I placed in the past 3 weeks, you'd notice1 > the I stuck my whole head up my ass!!! Don't worry, we're all family > here until I start posting stupid shit! > M O J O M A N S P E A K S
In light of this part of Mojomans last post, I too would like to openly admit to suffering some recent bouts of cranial-rectal inversion myself, and publicly "bury the hatchet" with him. I'm even going as far as to say that; yes, I re-xamined my original post and I think it could have been worded better....not that it was wrong, but could've been put across differently. Hindsight is always 20/20. I also thought it was pretty cool that we spent 60 seconds in the same IRC channel together without saying stupid shit to each other! What do you say Mojo?? Peace?
:)
Buster
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:39:46 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605071858.A4501-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: YAP <auhcy@asu.edu> > Subject: can someone help me? > > Sorry no DT content. > > I am offered an internship in NY City and I want to get an idea of how much > money do I need in order to live there for 3 months. (I am in Arizona and > have not been to other states) I know NY is pretty expensive.
You don't know the half of it. If you want to live *in* the city, bank on apartments starting roughly at $1000 (that's a thousand) per month. And those are the cheap ones. Then there's gas, car insurance, movies... Vermont ain't so bad.
By the way, Neil, you're not the only REM fan on here. :)
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The secret, and Seed Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605071850.B4501-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> > Subject: Ryche > > Have you all lost your Mindcrimes? "Sister Mary played by Pamela Moore" -- > right in the liner notes for O:M.
Whoa, so *that's* the secret! Pam divorced Tommy Lee and married Kevin! :)
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On an unrelated note, Andy Miller from Delaware (the Miracle) tipped me off to a new band yesterday called Seed. So, I found a web page and listened to a couple of .wav's. Man, these guys are good. I just bought the album today. I'm trying to think of a comparison, and the one idea that keeps running through my head is echolyn. If you like echolyn, I think you'll like Seed. Their major debut is called "Ling" (get it?), and I bought it at a regular everyday store. It rocks. Go get it.
Thanks for the tip, Andy!
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