YTSEJAM Digest 1533
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Sister Mary
by steve@kandu.com (Steve Lehrfeld)
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/08/96 - 16:38:41" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) The Other Great LI Trendkill
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
4) RE: Pantera II
by "Doug Cronkhite" <dougc@cerf.net>
5) RE: Sister Mary and Mojo
by "Doug Cronkhite" <dougc@cerf.net>
6) Holy DTC Batman!
by jdecoste@students.wisc.edu (Jeff DeCoste)
7) Marillion and other bands
by napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
8) See yas/drum transcriptions/Midcon
by dasanche@students.wisc.edu (Kilgore)
9) jammin' along eatin jello and postin jams :)
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
10) Sorry Gabbo !
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) The great Mary debate
by Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu>
12) Mary...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
13) Def Leppard's New disc
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
14) YTSECON III and other stuff
by Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
15) Re: Magna Carta Bands, a rundown
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16) Re: My first cassette.
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1532
by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
18) JP video
by Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:33:09 +0000
From: steve@kandu.com (Steve Lehrfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Sister Mary
Message-ID: <19960508153004689.AAA229@steve.kandu.com>
> > You are wrong when you say Sister Mary was sung by Pamela
> > Moore. Geoff Tate did all the lead vocals (Suite sister mary
> > included) for O:M...
>
> I don't think so, since on the Livecrime video we actually see the woman
> singing (live, onstage) while Geoff is writhing about. And while her
> voice is similar to his, it isn't the same. Now, I suppose it's possible
> that she sang on tour and Geoff sang it in the studio, but I really
> doubt it, since she definitely has the same voice on both recordings.
>
> -Max
i think you are right, Max. I also seem to recall reading something about
this woman (a Canadian) singing some songs on Alex Lifeson's Victor
album. At first i thought it was a guy, but it does sound the same as
"Mary", and i don't think her name is Pamela Moore.
-steve
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Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 11:37:15 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/08/96 - 16:38:41" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:16:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Other Great LI Trendkill
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605081218.A15216-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
> Subject: Pointed meandering
>
> Third off, What the Hell, Mojo and Buster are trying to Out-Nice each
> other now? hey, that's almost as sickening as the flame wars :-)
Just wait, it gets worse.
----> From: "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net> > Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1531 > > > Have you heard any singles yet? > > Yes, I have fuckface!
See? :)
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:25:14 -0700 From: "Doug Cronkhite" <dougc@cerf.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Pantera II Message-ID: <199605081636.JAA09896@smtp2.cerf.net>
> PANTERA-THE GREAT SOUTHERN TRENDKILL > Just released in my part of the country today, and I have listened to it 3 > times in the span of three hours. Is it just me, or is Phil's voice getting > better with each album? The two Suicide Note songs are the best Pantera > songs ever. Such effective lyrics. First so negative, then so positive. > Something Metallica failed to do with Fade To Black. The trend is dead!!!
Has anybody else noticed that this CD is really, really, hard on stereos... It's production is so heavy, that some of the low end is really killing my car speakers.. Especially songs like Drag the Waters. That just beats the shit out of my car system. I had to dub the CD onto tape to clip some of the high and low end just so my car could handle it.. on a different note... Darryl just keeps getting better and better.. He's definitly earned the title "Most Dangerous Guitarist".. The riffs this guy comes up with... just when you think the whole song is going to fall apart... it drops into this groove that makes you just shake your head.. (at least I do)
Doug
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:30:18 -0700 From: "Doug Cronkhite" <dougc@cerf.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Sister Mary and Mojo Message-ID: <199605081636.JAA09899@smtp2.cerf.net>
---------- > You are wrong when you say Sister Mary was sung by Pamela > Moore. Geoff Tate did all the lead vocals (Suite sister mary > included) for O:M. I remember when Mindcrime came out the band was on > MTV and the VJ asked them if that was Geoff singing and he said > rather emphaticly " YES ". Pamela Moore only did the " What are you > doing out in the rain? Come in" parts. Just listen to the part where > Mary says " I'll close my eyes, You shoot" especially the you shoot > part. Listen to it and you'll hear that is is Geoff Tate without > question.
I think you need to listen to SSM again. Pamela Moore if definitely singing on this song. Geoff's voice is great.. but even he can't change the tonal characteristics that much. The vibrato is completely different, and is the phrasing. Sorry.. but that's not Geoff singing it.. besides.. I was at the LA show when she came out and sang those parts... it's quite obvious who sang what.
Doug
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:35:37 -0500 From: jdecoste@students.wisc.edu (Jeff DeCoste) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Holy DTC Batman! Message-ID: <199605081635.LAA105393@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Just a few things I would like to say before the end of the semester and I won't have access to e-mail:
In DT, who do you think is the best player at his respective instrument? My vote goes to the mute, John Myung. A close second being Petrucci.
Another question for all...If one of the members would leave due to "creative differences", who would be the hardest to replace? IMO, in order of easiest to hardest to replace: 5. Derek 4. Portnoy 3. Labrie 2. Myung 1. Petrucci They replaces KM pretty easily, I think Derek could be replaced pretty easily also. I gave the edge to Petrucci over Myung because I think he's a better song writer lyrically.
What do you think?
Adios Jeff
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:04:24 -0500 From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Marillion and other bands Message-ID: <v01510100adb68353341c@[204.71.98.35]>
Hiya Itchy and others, I personally like hearing about cool bands on the jam-if it wasn't for the jam I never would have even considered buying any Savatage (I thought they would be cheesy 80's crap-metal). Learning about other bands is a positive by-product of the jam. I have never heard any of Marillion's music so I don't know if I like them or hate them, but the more good things I hear about them, the greater my chances of searching through the "M" section of the local music store. Itchy, don't unsubscribe just because one person was a jerk, hopefully the rest of us jammers make up for that.
Cheers!
napkins@clandjop.com Seth Hatlelid
"I just bought a Bass Masters Magazine and all the articles were about freakin fishing, not one word about Jaco or Myung. What gives!"
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:46:57 -0500 From: dasanche@students.wisc.edu (Kilgore) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: See yas/drum transcriptions/Midcon Message-ID: <199605081746.MAA44489@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Well,
gotta go home for the summer, which means...no ytsejam...no irc....damn...I'm gonna miss this. I'll be back in the fall. I need the guys I'm doing transcriptions with to write me and give me info on what songs I should work on. I also need info on when Midcon is, so can somebody tell me for shure?
Kilgore signing off. ****************************************************************************
"They rally round the family with pockets full of shells." -Rage Against the Machine "Turn on tha radio, nah fuck it...turn it off, fear is your only god." -Rage Against the Machine
In my 3-disc changer right now:
Pantera: The Great Southern Trendkill Dave Matthews Band: Crash Smashing Pumpkins: Siamese Dream ****************************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:52:41 -0700 From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero ) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jammin' along eatin jello and postin jams :) Message-ID: <199605081752.KAA29804@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>
>> > All I remember is Nintendo's "Blaster Master" having the coolest >> > sixth-level soundtrack that wildly mimicked speed metal, but >> >> Damn that game was cool... I don't think I ever finished it though >:( > >Don't know anyone who did! :) >
sorry for all the quote brackets... but man, now i need to play that again! thats the one where that kids chasin his frog right? i used to spend time screaming and throwing it around and beating it to a pulp :) still could never get past level 3....
>Anyone seen Monkeyboy lately? Was he grounded? Like a coffee bean or >something?
i sent him a "where the hell are you?!" letter several days ago and never heard nuthin'... but its better then getting a returned mail saying the address doesnt exist...
>In the case of DT, we all know that what CD material people like is >gonna be what they want to hear live. I insist on "hear", because >there's nothing to see with DT live. They might be my fave studio >band, but live, they suck. Last European tour, Fates Warning whipped >their asses on stage right, left and center. Sorry guys, but you have >to be a bit more interesting then what you've been so far (stick to >those taped down "X"s!).
i see where youre coming from. alot of people can go just for the music, but many also like a little spice eh? i havent seen DT live (yet) so i can't place any judgements on how they were or anything, but wouldnt it rule with all sorts of explosions and cages n stuff? :) a problem though is for when they play small venues, well, ya just cant do that stuff... also remember theyre working their asses off on concentration up there. its EXTREMELY hard to play all that stuff and they're most likely concerned with not bombing the gig rather than running around and starting fires onstage. :)
Itchy- Dont leave! one opinion shouldnt let ya down! I've been meaning to get some marillion for a while now. honestly, theres nobody i have a problem with. i dont care how much or how little or what about anyone posts! if i disagree with some things, i may respond and say what i think, but in no way do i want them off the list, nor am i angry they posted it.
and with that, i'm off! ~Rip
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:32:59 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Dream Theater Mailing List'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sorry Gabbo ! Message-ID: <01BB3D1E.C6F55260@ppp160.GlobalXS.nl>
Hi
I just want to apologize to Pat 'Gabbo' Griffin... As it turns out, he really wasn't flaming me, he was just warning me for a flame-war 'waiting to happen'. So if anyone is considering sending a private e-mail to Pat or posting something to the jam in my defence, thanks, but please don't...
I realize that I do get a bit lyrical when I'm talking about 'them'. But I didn't notice I was bothering anyone... I would have stopped if I had noticed.
I'm still getting messages from Jammers who are interrested in 'them', so I at least have the satisfaction that my posts weren't just wasted bandwidth... So far the responses I got were great ! I would still love to hear from those who've recently checked 'them' out. What do you think ? What are your favourite tracks ?
Thanks to those who supported me on the jam and through private E-mail.
Funny thing:
Did anyone notice Aaron K Silverman talking about 'them' and Arena on Jam #1530 ? Did you also Arena's label ?
> Griffin Music Inc. <---- Pat ? Care to explain ? ;-) > PO Box 87587 > Carol Stream, IL 60188-7587
Btw, I have that Arena album (or course!) and it's great, although IMO they're trying to hard to sound like 'them' during those first albums. But, since I love those albums I don't really mind...
Mark bredius@globalxs.nl ___________________________________________________________________mmm__ ..I know what you want, the MAGPIES have come... C" \__ ..We'll see how BRAVE you are... Tori Amos - Yes, Anastasia ()~()\_ ________________________________________________________________/ ' \
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Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 11:44:22 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The great Mary debate Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960508112832.18047A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
i just don't see anyway that tate didnt do mary's lines. i'm about thisclose to going belligerent, but i won't because then its a real bitch if you're wrong. the points that have been made on the pro-pam moore side are: 1. she's listed in the credits as playing sister mary 2. she's _obviously_ singing them on livecrime. 3. the tonal characteristics and accent sounds are totally difference. 4. geoff couldn't have done them in the studio, and pam live because they sound the exact same as for point 1, anthony valentine is credited as playing doctor x, and operation mindcrime, i believe, is dr. x speaking, yet valentine isn't doing the singing. as for the credits in livecrime where it says sister mary, and the rest of the contributors are just listed as voices of. that is because they don't appear on stage. 2 & 4- she's lip-synching. thats why their is the layered vocals on livecrime and why they sound _exactly_ the same. in the cd, the sound of those vocals (as in the source) is different, as if its not come from a microphone. 3. not a singer, know little about singing, but all i hear geoff singing in falsetto. actually i should just go looking in some QR faq's and see if anything turns up, but that would take effort.
keith
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:52:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: FREE Magazine_Offer! <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mary... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960508134834.2398A-100000@indy17.gclab.missouri.edu>
I just wanted to add my [Place New And Interesting Way To Say "Two Cents" Here] on this whole Sister Mary Debate:
Geoff Tate does not do the Mary parts. Pamela Moore does not do the Mary parts. The Mary parts are sung by Charlie Dominici.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:50:04 -0700 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Def Leppard's New disc Message-ID: <199605081850.LAA24230@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
Of course Def leppard's got a new album coming out, Joe Elliott got arrested didn't he? It's kind of sad when someone has to result to this kind of stuff to get noticed.
Scott Cook
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:00:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu> To: BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: YTSECON III and other stuff Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93L.960508143902.29481D-100000@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! I'm DONE WITH FINALS!!!! YES!!!!! That means, I can devote a LOT more time on the YtseCon III, the Dream Theater web page, and the informal get together over the summer.
First of all, I just finished yesterday, and I won't be settled until I move out of my dorm, so next week I'll be calling people up like a storm!
Right now, the YtseCon III looks like it'll be on October 12th, which is the Saturday of the Columbus Day weekend. I still have to relay this bit of info to management, so don't mark your calenders just yet! I'm still waiting for a response from the travel agent, that way I'll be able to get some good airline/hotel deals for those of you who are flying in. Right now, I'm looking at East Rutherford in New Jersey, but that can definitely change at this point in time. To answer those questions that I've gotten over e-mail, I haven't picked out a hotel yet.
Things will probably end up being more formal this time around, meaning that since I'm starting to work with travel agents, such and such, those of you who plan to come will get a registration package over the mail, so you can send out your reservations and money over the mail. You'll have plenty of time to send them back, I just need to set them up within the next month. Latecomers can also come in, but I haven't made any money arrangements yet, so I can't tell you guys anything about prices now.
To remind you guys of the tentative events at this convention, the biggest events that are planned will be a listening preview of the new Dream Theater album, followed by an autographed session. To answer some of your questions, I am not certain as to whether you guys can buy copies of the new album at the Convention. I'll keep you guys informed!
I just want to take the time out to thank all of you jammers who have been so patient with me (because finals took up too much of my time!), and definitely to the awesome guys who are working with me on this whole thing! You guys rule!
Well anyways, I'll keep you guys informed on everything when everything happens. A lot of things will start happening starting next week (when I'm all settled in at home). So news will be flying on the jam more often in the near future.
As for the informal ytsejam get together, I suggest having a Q-Zar get together on Long Island. If any of you guys are interested, then email me! I might have some pretty cool surprises in store for you guys for this informal event!
Also, I've spoken to Josh Sager at Red Sector A (he's in charge of this whole DT page thing), and I think that it'll be something to definitely look forward to! That's all I'm gonna say about that.
I'd better send out this letter, it's getting too long! I'll talk with you guys later!
Yours, Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> <*> Columbia University <*> (212) 853-6952 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*> <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*> "Aladdin! You just won the heart of the princess! What are you gonna do next?" --- Genie, Disney's Aladdin
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Date: Wed, 8 May 96 15:47:06 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Magna Carta Bands, a rundown Message-ID: <9605081947.AA22514@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
You forgot a few bands on Magna Carta. First of all, I have the Enchant CD and they really sound different from the tracks they did on the tribute CDs. They sound somewhat like Rush to me, probably due to the drummer's heavy Peart influence, even down to the Moving Pictures-sounding drums. Great shit. In the tribute cD department, you forgot The moon Revisitted, the Pnk Floyd tribute. Good, but not as good as the other two tributes. Remakes the Dark Side of the Moon Cd in its entirety. There is also Tempest, an IRish sounding folk prog band, which sounds like prog and irish folk music. I don't like it myself, but others might. Slight Tull influence, but I can't really be sure because I can't listen to it. Cairo sounds a lot like ELP in places to me. And if Magellan doesn't have a drummer, who does the drums. Three guys? keyboards, guitar, and ... what else? If that is sequenced drums, I'm even more impressed than I was and that's a lot. World trade is good as well, but not as progressive as the other bands. By the way, in June, MC will be relasing new material, including the Jethro Tull and Rush tribute CDs, some new bands debut CDs, and I think some follow-up releases from already signed bands. Keep an eye out, MC is a great lable and I hope they get some more exposure soon.
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Date: Wed, 8 May 96 15:51:50 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: My first cassette. Message-ID: <9605081951.AA27378@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
all right, since I am 22 I can do this on three fronts. First vinyl? Hmmmm, would have to be Journey Escape, I think. Not bad, since I have it on CD today. My first Cassette, gasp, prince 1999. First CD. Great White, I think and it was given to me. Whew. So glad I discovered Rush.
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Date: 08 May 96 16:02:52 EDT From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1532 Message-ID: <960508200252_103362.445_JHL154-1@CompuServe.COM>
Dave King wrote:
>In the case of DT, we all know that what CD material people like is >gonna be what they want to hear live. I insist on "hear", because there's >nothing to see with DT live. They might be my fave studio band, but live, >they suck. Last European tour, Fates Warning whipped their asses on stage >right, left and center. Sorry guys, but you have to be a bit more >interesting then what you've been so far (stick to those taped down "X"s!).
D.T. sucks live? Man, I've got to disagree here. I've only seen D.T. three times and never once have they disappointed me. Are you saying that they suck because they reproduce the studio CD live and that there is no visual "show"? For me, just seeing D.T. pull those songs off live is show enough. I also saw F.W. open up for D.T. and no way in hell did they blow D.T. off of the stage. As David St. Hubbins (of Spinal Tap) would say, "Is This A Joke?".
and:
>Sorry. What's wrong with ACOS? IMO there's more in its 23 mins than >in whole AWAKE
I love ACOS, but I don't agree with this statement at all; 'nuff said (Don't even go there :p).
next?
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JP video Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605081349.A28809-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Hey...
I was just wondering if JP's instructional vid was actually worthwhile for those of us who don't play as articulately and as quickly as we might wish.
What I mean is...does he just show licks or does he actually get more into the actual doing/practicing/techniques type stuff?
****************************************************************************** Robert Andrew Jurado roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu ******************************************************************************
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