YTSEJAM Digest 1535
Today's Topics:
1) Let's stop with the Fates vs. DT stuff, Pantera
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/09/96 - 03:49:06" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Def leppard flames
by "Richard W. Bradley" <brad8314@ait.fredonia.edu>
4) First Cassette
by BigDTFan@aol.com
5) Attention Long Island Jammers: Jones Beach line-up
by augie@unix.asb.com (Heath)
6) Seattle, Tapes, Sacrifices
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
7) Yes, I can.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
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9) Oh man...
by Bogie34@aol.com
10) Sowing Seeds
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
11) Gender bender
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1531
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
13) Yngwie
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) Replacing band members?
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
15) The Dream Theater Purity Test
by Bogie34@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 8 May 96 19:36:05 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Let's stop with the Fates vs. DT stuff, Pantera
Message-ID: <9605090236.AA07130@tengs1>
C'mon! As a fan of both bands (I think that Fates has
finally edged out QR in my "Top 5 favoritebands" list),
it's pathetic to see you guys go back and forth this
way. Some bands have off nights (i wasn't too impressed
with DT on the IAW tour, but the Awake tour was awesome).
I saw them both in SFO and I thought FW was one of the
best opening acts I've seen. The crowd, at least those near
the stage, were really into them. I can die happy now that
I've seen 11th Hour live. I thought both bands had tremendous
energy that night. Of course, the DT part was a little better
because of the lights and such...
______________
I agree with the guy who said Darryl's guitar work is his
best yet. Really killer stuff. I especially love the end
of Floods (after the vocals). If only Terry Date could've
produced WDADU this way. I also think that Pantera's
songwriting has improved. I thought FBD kind of sucked in
that category (except for Slaughtered, which is a great song)l.
Songwriting on CFH was pretty good. I don't have VDoP, so I
can't comment on that.
Zach
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Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 22:47:39 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/09/96 - 03:49:06" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:47:07 +0100
From: "Richard W. Bradley" <brad8314@ait.fredonia.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Def leppard flames
Message-ID: 02470718100940@oak.ait.fredonia.edu
hey jammers,
I was just reading some back jams trying to catch up with what's going
on since I've been in hight study mode for finals. I noticed that Def
Leppard has been getting some serious flames on here recently. I know that
they aren't progressive and that's why I haven't mentioned the fact that I'm
a die hard fan of the lepp's. I do however happen to think that they are
seriously changing the direction of there music, not nessessarilly to a
progressive format but they are giving up the glam sound that made them so
popular. I've heard a couple of the tracks already for the new album and I
must say I was impressed. Athough they do not compare to the bands we talk
about on here they are making some serious strides to get to a new level of
musicianship. Their Drummer, although no match for Mike Portnoy, has more
heart and determination than most drummers out there for he now plays on a
completely accoustic kit with still only one arm. I find that personally
amazing. I think that Vivian Campbell has also been a great influence on
the band and will bring them closer to that progressive sound that we all
love and respect. I'm not expecting any of you to run out and buy the album
but at least give them some credit for trying to break there glam rock mold.
I know I'm going to get pleanty of flames for this so to make the jam flow
better send them to me personally rather than cluttering up the jam.
Sorry for the out of context post, just had to get it off of my chest.
Rich
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:02:33 -0400
From: BigDTFan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: First Cassette
Message-ID: <960508230231_394179180@emout10.mail.aol.com>
First vinyl - I don't remember... probably Alvin and the Chipmunks...
First cassette - REO Speedwagon.
First CD - Images and Words!!!! I listened to the cassette copy of it a
couple times, knew I'd wear the tape out in a matter of days, so I got off my
analog ass and also bought my first CD player!
Elliott Kim, BigDTFan@aol.com
The Ytsejammer Formerly Known As ekim01@fiu.edu
The Ytsejammer Still Waiting for Antiquities #098
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:14:22 -0500
From: augie@unix.asb.com (Heath)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Attention Long Island Jammers: Jones Beach line-up
Message-ID: <v01510102adb71bc32122@[165.254.128.61]>
This is my first true post in the jam in quite a long time. Maybe I'll get
a EOJ. :)
Everyone is eagerly waiting for summer to finally come. Well, maybe this
will brighten up your day and make you think of Summer which is right
around the corner now. :) The following is the complete Jones Beach
listings for this years shows. I didn't include any times. If anyone is
interested in the time of any show, E-Mail me. Wait a sec, I know what
Mike Bahr's secert is. Dream Theater is going to play at Jones Beach this
summer. I can dream, can't I? :) This years summer line-up doesn't seem
that great, but there are a few rather interesting shows to check out.
Here is Jones Beach's summer '96 line-up.
June 8: Bob Segar & the Silver Bullet Band
June 9: Dave Mathew's Band with special guests Ben Harper.
June 14: Barry White
June 15: Ozzy Osbourne with guests Filter, and Corrosion of Conformity.
June 18: The Moody Blues (with the Long Island Philharmonic).
June 21&22: Crosby, Stills & Nash and Chicago.
July 6&7: Sting with the Cowboy Junkies as special guests.
July 11: The Chieftans and Nanci Griffith.
July 12: Donna Summer.
July 13: REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, and Peter Frampton.
July 14: Styx, with Kansas as guests.
July 17: Def Leppard
July 19: Stelly Dan
July 20: Linda Ronstadt with the Pittsburgh Pops Orchestra.
July 21: The Allman Brothers Band.
July 24: Natallie Merchant.
July 25: Boston, with special guests Cheap Trick.
July 26: Celion Dion.
July 27&28: James Taylor
July 31: Steve Miller Band, with special guest Pat Benatar.
Aug 1: AC/DC
Aug 2: Scorpions and Alice Cooper.
Aug 4: Hootie & the Blowfish with special guest John Hiatt.
Aug 8: Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Doobie Brothers.
Aug 10: A 70's Music Explosion night with the Village People, KC & the
Sunshine Band, Gloria Gaynor, Kool & the Gang, Laura Branigan, and others.
Aug 11: Jackson Browne with special guest Shawn Colvin.
Aug 16&17: Alanis Morissette with special guest Radiohead.
Aug 23: Melissa Etheridge.
Aug 24: The Beach Boys.
Aug 25: Tori Amos.
Aug 29: k.d.lang
Aug 30: Jertho Tull, with guests Emerson, Lake & Palmer.
Aug 31: Joe Cocker, the Fabulous Thunderbirds and Buddy Guy.
Sept 4: Michael Bolton.
Sept 7&8: Oasis.
Heath Augustover
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:28:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Seattle, Tapes, Sacrifices
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960508202816.76841A-100000@homer09.u.washington.edu>
> From: "MojoMan" <Mojonet@pb.net>
> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1523
>
> Bomb Seattle...
HEY!!
> I was thinking about it, but 3/4 of the Computer Co's I depend on have
> their operation devisions centered there.
Whew! Good thing Microsoft is just around the corner...
---- > From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com> > Subject: the SECRET....revealed!!! > > i have pretty much decided not to do another tape tree thing. it is > too time consuming and too many people bitched about the last one.Yeah, I don't know about the rest of you, but my copies suck. I can't hear the guitar, or the bass. Now that I think about it, I can't hear ANYTHING on these copies...
> "it's too bassy" "too much crowd noise". well go buy yourself your own > DAT recorder and mics and see how much better you do before you start > criticizing a free tape.
What free tape?
---- > From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > Subject: WTF??? > > OK, what's the trick? Am I missing something? Maybe it's every third > mention? EOJ EOJ EOJ...
Plug, plug, plug... I think one of the better techniques you haven't tried yet is making sacrifices to Ra.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:38:00 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yes, I can. Message-ID: <199605090338.UAA28594@maple.enet.net>
>Can anybody tell me what the mailing list for Rush is????
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>One word for you = Lollapa ......... Bahahahahaha !! I cant even type it !!
*LOL*apalooza!!! ^^^
>As for who would be easiest or hardest to replace.. I think MP would be >hardest.
First of all, do you mean replace like 1. would be able to play a concert and nobody would know that it wasn't Mike because he did everything exactly the same OR 2. replace Mike and add a new aspect/refreshment to the band...which is hopefully what Derek will do.
With #1, I could do it. :-)With #2...I wouldn't do it. I don't really have my own style yet. Right now I'm just taking in all types of drumming and seeing what develops when they get mixed up. But, I can think of lots of drummers who could hold their own in the DT style, and add new things...Terry Bozzio..Tim "Herb" Alexander...Neil Peart...Mark Zonder...Bill Bruford....among others, I'm sure. BTW, I didn't mean that I was the ONLY one who could do the #1. :-)
>but quality >drummers are hard to find.. partly because I think when you're young.. >most people want to be on the front of the stage.. not stuck behind a drum >kit..
I bet if you asked Mike Portnoy if he'd like to be at the front of the stage, he'd give you a big, enthusiastic YES. That's the way he plays, anyhow. There's ONE Mike Portnoy thing that I really can't get down. The ghost-note-a-plenty groove under the first verse of Scarred. Up until "Can't hear it..". And, that's also one of the few times where he is not doing something that's inconspicuous....he doesn't put it out there right in front of your face. It's very subtle. Those kind of things are my favorite things to play. Most everything else may be hard, but he makes it so OBVIOUS what he's doing, just to make sure you know he's there. Whoa...I kinda rambled. Cool.
>.P.S. Drummers are real musicians too!!!! >
I hear ya loud and clear! Especially ones that play piano and french horn too, though.... :-)
Buhbye.
Celebrate we will, because life is short but sweet for certain. The Proudest Mr. Cool you ever seen.
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:53:09 -0400 From: Bogie34@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh man... Message-ID: <960508235309_109777899@emout09.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-05-08 22:48:56 EDT, you write:
<< also concerning the great debate here about Qeensryche SSM it seems 50% think p. moore sang it, and 50% think tate sang it. well 1/2 of you are right. and the winner is ............. Geoff Tate >>
I'm not going to even start...I don't want to start flaming anybody. Take this matter up on rec.music.artists.queensryche and see the amount of flames you get.
Bogie
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:17:00 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sowing Seeds Message-ID: <19960508.230306.7959.0.nishiki@juno.com>
Hey gang,
I have Seed Ling also. (Picked it up for $2 at Nuggets, nya nya! :) ) I agree that it belongs in the same genre with Echolyn, although I think it's more alternative than progressive. Some neat fretless bass I hear in there, though. I like the second half of the album best; they seem to rock out more. First album: A breakdancing record which came with a how-to poster! I think my sister might have it somewhere. The first music album was Weird Al In 3-D, and the first album I desperately NEEDED was Live After Death, by Iron Maiden, who don't suck balls by a long shot. (I even like the Fear of the Dark album.) For those who also have seen them recently, did Janick Gers always play leaning sideways with the guitar resting vertically on his hip? :) First CD was Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe.
Party on,
DJ Kuul A
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:25:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gender bender Message-ID: <199605090425.AAA12359@umbc10.umbc.edu>
Hi all, I haven't posted much lately, been pretty busy. I just wanted to bring up the fact that there is such an effects processor called a Gender Bender. I believe that you can get them in some Eventide products. It can make a male voice sound like a female and I would imagine vice-versa. I think Geoff probably used one of these items to sing the Sister Mary parts.
Thats it for now. I've been jotting down a list of topics that I've been meaning to write about but I haven't had time to post it. Keep an eye out for a whole jam from me sometime in the future. :) At the very least I will get one of the treasured EOJ's.
Jason Hartman, yep, the Killing Hand guy.
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:23:26 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1531 Message-ID: <19960509042323.AAA10605@mail.pananet.com>
>> You must have a lot of spare time in your hands... but I believe he >> recorded that at half speed and then sped it up... no wait that's what >> he does at the very end... > >Maybe I'm just more concerned with my timing than you are. Maybe I like >seeing how my right-hand picking technique stacks up with those fortunate >enough to have theirs on a recorded album. In my opinion the only way to >prove that someone (Paul Gilbert) is "fast" (or proficient in some way in >their profession) is to show how he picks "faster" than his >contemporaries, thus earning him the title of "fast" within his field. >What do you want me to say? "No, he sounds faster than Yngwie to me, so he >must be."
Well I was only kidding guy. But you know, I think that after a certain speed, I pretty much place them as equals. what I *really* care about is how clean they play, and how well they control their phrasing while go off into shred-o-la-la land. You notice it especially if you listen to it at half speed...Yngwie is fucking incredible... everything is SSOOOO detailed, no matter how fast he plays...even vibrato.... I haven't tried that w/ Mr Gilbert yet, though...
The other point I have is that really, you'll never know if anybody is faster than anybody than anybody else, because you never really know if he/she is playing as fast as they can...
>Anyone seen Monkeyboy lately? Was he grounded? Like a coffee bean or >something? >
Maybe DT put him in jail for trying to write Metropolis II b4 they did...hmmmm..I think I'll go into hiding now:)
Maybe he got stuck in California..
>> 10- I'll get an EOJ with my only post this month. >> >> Andy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of YTSEJAM Digest 1525 >> ************************** > >"Mekka-lekka-hi, mekka-heinie-ho!" > >Your wish is granted. Long live Jambi. > >Bafu Vai >End of YTSEJAM Digest 1531 >************************** >
SHIT!
"OK...great, OK...listen Bert,uh...how about this one?"(this one,this one,this one,this one, this one, etc.) Ernie :)
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:23:34 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yngwie Message-ID: <19960509042332.AAA10611@mail.pananet.com>
>I just went out to pick up a couple of CDs. I got what I thought was Rising >Force and instead got "Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force - Odyssey." Are the >lyrics on all of his albums this atrocious,
yes
>and does he have solo albums >with just instrumental work? This sounds like hair band w/ slightly more >complicated guitar work.
Check out the actual 'Rising Force'... it has his guitar being held by a womans hand.. sorta like the lady in the lake that holds Excalibur... It only has 2 songs w/ vocals, and they aren't cheesy(well the lyrics are, but the music and vocal melodies arent..IMO of course)...the rest are incredibly awesome instrumentals...
> You guys can flame until your hearts are content. I am >asbestos and the flames do not bother me at all. You'll also notice >that I do not flame anyone on the jam, You ask why?
I believe that the reason many people end up flaming you is because you tend to say your opinions as if they were the truth and nothing but... that's what 'I think', IMHO, etc... are for. I'm not jusifying their reasons for flaming you, I'm just stating an observation...
"OK...great, OK...listen Bert,uh...how about this one?"(this one,this one,this one,this one, this one, etc.) Ernie :)
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Date: Wed, 8 May 96 22:01:59 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Replacing band members? Message-ID: <9605090501.AA09109@tengs1>
1. About Mike Portnoy being the second most disposable in the band- I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you there, Jeff (and I have a feeling I'm not going to be the only one). I have a strong suspicion that you are not a drummer. Since I'm not a drummer either, I can only partially fathom how unbelievable Mike is, but since you feel percussionists like him are a dime a dozen, I'm curious to know where you've heard drumming like that before.
There are plenty of excellent drummers out there. My opinion is that Mike *is* Dream Theater, with J.P., perhaps, as the XO. _That_ is why I think he is irreplaceable. His personality has everything to do with it. Charisma, yeah... that's the ticket.
Of course, we all know that John Myung runs everything behind the scenes :>)>
Zach
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:25:46 -0400 From: Bogie34@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Dream Theater Purity Test Message-ID: <960509012545_290313384@emout12.mail.aol.com>
In lieu of some discussion on the DT IRC, I've decided to write the following Dream Theater Purity Test. Do you want to know how much of a Dream Theater listener you are? Take the Test!
(BTW, these are just coming of the top of my head right now...I'll organize them much later.)
1. Have you ever heard of Dream Theater? 2. Have you ever listened to Dream Theater? 3. Have you ever purchased a Dream Theater album? (Album in this case would be something the band released.) 4. Have you purchased more than 3 Dream Theater albums? 5. Have you purchased a Dream Theater video? 6. Have you gone to see the band in concert? 7. With Charlie Dominici on vocals? 8. Did you go backstage? 9. Did you talk to the band members? 10. Did you get John Myung to speak? 11. More than 1 word at a time? 12. Did you ever hear a Dream Theater song in F#? 13. How about F-sharp? 14. Can you play a Dream Theater song on any instrument? 15. Are you in the band? 16. Can you out-perform John Petrucci on guitar? 17. James LaBrie on guitar? (Even if you don't play guitar, answer yes.) 18. Whenever you go to a record store, do you check to see if they have Dream Theater CD's? 19. Do you get pissed when you see it's spelled "Dream Theatre"? 20. Have you told the manager about the misspelling? 21. Have you ever subscribed to the Ytsejam? 22. Have you ever posted to the jam? 23. Did you ever outpost Damon? 24. Have you wasted more bandwidth than DreamnDay? 25. Are you Bafu Vai? 26. Having subbed to the jam, do you find yourself using more acronyms lately? 27. Have you posted at least 25 times to the jam? 28. Have you gotten an EoJ? 29. Do you have a higher EoJ to post ratio than Bafu? 30. Have you ever listened to Dream Theater while smoking a cigarette? 31. Smoking pot? 32. Drinking an alcoholic beverage? 33. Shooting acid? 34. Have you ever listened to DT with another person? 35. 2 people? 36. At the same time? 37. Have you listened to Dream Theater two times in a day? 38. At least five? 39. More than ten times a day? 40. Do you know what Erotomania means? 41. Did you ever listen to Dream Theater at two different times with two different people while both of them knew about it? 42. Did you ever listen to DT and participate in an orgy? 43. At the same time? 44. Have you ever bought a Dream Theater bootleg? 45. Made by Mike Bahr or Timothy Lodge? 46. Have you qualified to reserve a copy of Precious Things? 47. Do you know Mike Bahr's secret? 48. Have you ever sent tapes to someone to have them dub some DT material? 49. Did you ever send the tapes to Al Balkewicz? 50. Did you get them back? 51. Have you gotten a dub of Kevin Moore's "Music Meant To Be Heard" demos? 52. Have you purchased ChromaKey? 53. Have you participated on the DT IRC chat at irc.dreamt.org port:2112? 54. Did you ever realize that Ytsejam backward spells Majesty? 55. Did you become a dyslexic because of that? 56. Are you going to buy a Sega Saturn just for Necronomicon? (Not Necrophilia... :D ) 57. Do you own a Japanese copy of any DT release? 58. Any other import release? 59. Did you ever receive more than three copies of the Metropolis newsletter? 60. Have other jammers influenced you to purchase an album besides a DT album? 61. Have you ever listened to Dream Theater through a portable sound device? 62. In a car? 63. In places people could notice you? 64. Do you receive more mail from the jam than your friends? 65. Do you believe that Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci share a beard? 66. Do you believe "balls and chunk is where it's at"? 67. Should you wear this over a vest? 68. Do you own DT clothing? 69. Is DT your favorite band?
Well...Scotch told me to stop at number 69. Maybe when I get a chance, I'll organize this preview into something more. But, it's just a taste of what's to come.
Bogie
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