YTSEJAM digest 1538

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Date: Fri May 10 1996 - 05:01:30 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Mail Item Format Warning
     by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/10/96 - 00:26:37" <response@ibmmail.com>
      2) Replacing band members
     by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
      3) Tape Tree
     by "Ytse' Jim" <jlutz@hartford.edu>
      4) DMB;DT group dynamics
     by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
      5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1535
     by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
      6) Re: Savatage
     by Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu>
      7) Dancing Turtle?!?!
     by John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
      8) twister
     by bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew)
      9) Damn!
     by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
     10) some infos on some tributes (DTC)
     by auzzy@tequila.entpe.fr (St\iphane Auzilleau)
     11) Vanden Plas + Ivenhoe in KL / Playing fast
     by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
     12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1533
     by akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch (Devrim Akyuz)
     13) Re: G.A.S. Update
     by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@primenet.com>

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    Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 19:25:10 EDT
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    Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:48:31 -0400 (EDT)
    From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
    To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Replacing band members
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605091934.B6339-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>

    > From: "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net>
    > Subject: Replacing a member ain't all what it's cracked up to be...

    > In this particular situation...I would have to say, although JP is
    > definitely at the top of the list...Portnoy is one who would wreck the
    > band if he left....
    > No one realizes how important he is to the arranging of the song...

    I have to agree with that. No one plays like Mike, first of all.
    Second, any drummer adds so much character to a band, that replacing a
    drummer is almost exactly like starting a new band.

    > John Myung, although he seems extremely important to the mix COULD be
    > replaced...here's my suggestion!!!

    That's not his fault. You just can't hear what he's doing, and how
    important he really is. :)

    > 5. Derek
    > 4. Myung
    > 3. Portnoy
    > 2. Petrucci
    > 1. Labrie
    >
    > With a three way tie between...Portnoy, Labrie, and Petrucci...

    I would have to include JM in a 4-way tie. No offense again Derek, but
    he is the new guy, and as such, isn't ingrained into the workings of the
    band yet. An album and a tour from now, and it'll be a 5-way tie for me.
    >
    > A singer is not easy to replace....
    > There is only ONE band that has survived from a Singer change...and that
    > is Van Halen...and the reason behind that is simple...no one realized that
    > David Lee Roth was not Van Halen....

    Same with AC/DC. Now, if they had to replace Angus... (Also, don't
    forget that DT once had to replace a vocalist, too. They seem to have
    survived ok. :)

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    Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:19:56 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Ytse' Jim" <jlutz@hartford.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Tape Tree
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960509171409.9727B-100000@jabba>

    > i am just sick of hearing everyone whining about the tapes. like i
    > said before...go out and buy yourself a DAT deck and some mics and
    > see how much better your tapes come out, and until then i dont want
    > to hear you bitching about a tape that was free.

    I don't remember hearing anybody whine about the tape tree except you.
    I think people just gave their honest opinions about the sound quality.
    What are we supposed to do? Lie about it? I thought the bass was a
    little heavy too, but I am very thankful that you were generous enough
    to distribute the show. Please reconsider.

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    Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DMB;DT group dynamics
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605091643.B9525-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>

    On Wed, 8 May 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    > HAHA! I just found my old Vanilla Ice tape! I was jammin' to "Havin' a Roni" on my way home
    > today... At one stoplight the lady in the car next to me had her window down too... She looked
    > over and she had this look of horror on her face... It was cool! :)
    Hilarious!!!!!!!! I wish I coulda seen her face!!
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Dave Matthews Band is now my favorite band. Sorry if that's
    > sacrilege, but they are (notice I didn't say that they were BETTER than
    > anybody. That means you can't flame me). The new album, "Crash", is simply
    > amazing. DMB has expanded themselves and embraced even more styles in this
    I remember catching them on Sat. Night Live (does anybody watch that any
    more?) a few weeks ago. I listened pretty carefully to the drumming and
    didn't think it was anything special. Why is everyone going nuts over
    Carter Beauford? It's not like he's the next Dave Weckl or anything.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Come on, I was 6, she was cute, what can I say?
    Can't believe you were thinking about women when you were 6. Boy, I'm
    never gonna look at six-year-olds the same way again!!!
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Oh great, this guy is leaving, so he sets us up with a thread that will
    > probably have us all hating each other within a month. My response is:
    > I refuse to try to answer such a subjective question, which can only
    > lead to divisive consequences.
    I agree with you right THERE, man!!! Everybody's gonna leap to defend
    his/her instrumentalist, and it's all pointless. They're all amazing,
    they'd all be tough to replace, and it should be left at that. Besides,
    if you're trying to answer this question, there's two things to
    consider:
    1) Are there a lot of instrumentalists whose technical abilities match
    those of the DT member in question ?
    2) How valuable is that member to DT (meaning if this member left DT,
    would DT cease to exist)?

    The first question could be answered by somebody familiar with the talent
    pool out there. The second question could only be answered by somebody
    very close to the band, someone who, say, has literally watched them put
    a whole album together. I really doubt that there's anyone on this list
    who can answer both parts conclusively, so this whole question should be
    ignored, lest we get into debates about "Myung is more expendable than
    Petrucci" or somebody asks the million-dollar question "If you were
    forced to kill one of the members of DT, which one would it be and why?"
    Enough said.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    That reminds me of something that occurred to me about DT. You all have
    probably noticed that whenever DT is involved in some public function
    (magazine interview, meeting up with fans, IRC, ytsecons, etc.), there's a
    really good chance that Portnoy is involved. He just seems to be more active
    in that stuff than the other guys. Anyway, I just sort of get the
    impression that Portnoy is more into the "band" thing than the other
    guys, meaning he is focused on all aspects of the band, including
    composing, touring, publicity, the whole bit, whereas the others (don't
    know much about Derek, though) seem to be more interested in just the
    music and performing. A post that, for me, reinforced this idea came
    from some guy a few months ago who said he'd watched DT in a soundcheck
    and noted that Portnoy was the one "calling the shots", meaning he was
    like the taskmaster. He decided what the band would work on next, and
    all that sort of thing. On top of that, we all know that Portnoy always
    has a DAT recorder running during soundchecks (that's how they got the
    intro for "Voices"; according to interviews, he also uses it to evaluate
    his concert performances) and is probably sitting on a DT bootleg empire:).
    For all we know, he might also be the one responsible for deciding each
    concert's setlist, with some input from the other guys, of course.
    Just a little speculation about what makes DT tick.

    Younis Hilal

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    Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:32:42 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1535
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605091755.C9525-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>

    On Wed, 8 May 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    > drumming and seeing what develops when they get mixed up. But, I can think
    > of lots of drummers who could hold their own in the DT style, and add new
    > things...Terry Bozzio..Tim "Herb" Alexander...Neil Peart...Mark
    > Zonder...Bill Bruford....among others, I'm sure. BTW, I didn't mean that I
    Agreed. I've never heard Bozzio or Bruford (heard enough about 'em from
    other drummers, tho!!!) but I think Alexander, Peart, and Zonder would
    all make the cut in DT. The thing is, though, Portnoy has a sort of
    unique way in putting grooves together, and he's fond of cramming lots of
    notes (cymbal- or drums-notes) into what could otherwise be just a
    straight groove (the "Scarred" ghost-notes thing you were talking about is a
    perfect example of that). That sort of thing always gets a thumbs-up from
    me. I just prefer the in-your-face style that's a big part of his
    playing. Subtle stuff like ghost-notes are a nice touch, but there's too
    much subtle drumming out there.
    ------------------------------
    > There are plenty of excellent drummers out there. My
    > opinion is that Mike *is* Dream Theater, with J.P.,
    > perhaps, as the XO. _That_ is why I think he is
    > irreplaceable. His personality has everything to do
    > with it. Charisma, yeah... that's the ticket.
    Weird. I just said the same thing in another post.

    Younis Hilal

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    Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:59:37 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu>
    To: Heath <augie@unix.asb.com>
    Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Savatage
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605091923.A5258-0100000@vision.d.umn.edu>

    On Wed, 8 May 1996, Heath wrote:

    > Nathan,
    >
    > ARe you sure about those dates with Savatage? If so, are there still
    > tickets available? Do you know the price?
    Heath,

    I am very postive about the shows on the 16th and 17th. I was talking to
    Paul O'Neill shortly after he got confirmation on those two gigs.

    Very little (if any ) ads will be done for the shows, except maybe day of
    the show radio ads.

    I am not sure of the prices.

    There are two other show which I have not been able to confirm. These
    are the Long Island shows on the 18th and 19th.

    Surprise Savatage Shows (in the US !!!)

    Savatage will be doing some warm up shows BEFORE going to Europe.

    May 16 Danbury or Tuxedo Junct, Conneticut
    May 17 at the BirchHill in Old Bridge, NJ
    May 18 Long Island, NY
    May 19 Long Island, NY

    After the European/Japan tour Savatage should be touring the US from mid to
    late summer!!!

    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > Heath Augustover
    >
    >
    >

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    Date: Thu, 9 May 96 21:14:04 -0500
    From: John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Dancing Turtle?!?!
    Message-ID: <199605100213.VAA14614@oasis.novia.net>

    Hi.
      First post, yadayadayada [life story omitted]... Anyway, I just
    finished plowing through several back issues (stupid finals), and I have
    to ask a question to whomever it was whose .sig file misquoted James
    LaBrie as saying, "Death is the first dancing turtle." Why did you do
    that? I can't hear that line now without hearing your version of the
    lyrics; you've ruined it. On the other hand, I break out laughing every
    time I hear it. I don't know whether to kill you or thank you (-8

    Later,
    John

    PS: I wonder what the odds are of getting an EoJ on my first post.
    Hmmm....
    (50/50: Either I will or I won't)

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    Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:50:34 -0500
    From: bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: twister
    Message-ID: <199605100350.WAA12221@cts1.internetwis.com>

    hi all!

    mike wrote:

    >Just a recommendation...

    > ...pick up the Twister soundtrack, and Pantera's new one "Great
    >Southern Trendkill". Two very enjoyable CDs... but ya gotta like VH.

    i agree! well, with twister anyway. :) haven't got pantera's yet. but the
    twister soundtrack is awesome! specially track 14. an insturmental by eddie
    and alex. :)

    later all!

    mathew

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    Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:05:57 -0700
    From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Damn!
    Message-ID: <199605100505.WAA13394@maple.enet.net>

    >>Can anybody tell me what the mailing list for Rush is????
    >
    >
    >------------------------------
    >

    Okay.....there was other stuff typed where the ----- is. I don't know why it
    does that. I wasn't asking where the Rush thing was. The ----- was supposed
    to be a wisecrack. :-)

    > And, that's also one of the few times where he is not doing
    >something that's inconspicuous

    Whoops....where he IS doing something inconspicuous.

    >There are plenty of excellent drummers out there. My
    > opinion is that Mike *is* Dream Theater, with J.P.,
    > perhaps, as the XO. _That_ is why I think he is
    > irreplaceable. His personality has everything to do
    > with it. Charisma, yeah... that's the ticket.

    Man. Maybe I'm just really good, because the majority of Portnoy stuff
    doesn't seem that hard. Only speed-wise...easy to figure it out timing wise.

    >Hey Ben,
    >I've got the new DMB and I still think DT is way better. DMB is good but
    >I think DT is better. Dave Matthews voice gets annoying at times. I can
    >listen to DT over and over and never get tired of DT. DMB on the other
    >hand, I can get tired of after a few listens. I've seen DMB once and seen
    >DT 3 times and I was more amazed by DT.

           Did I saw that you had to like DMB better than DT too? No...in which
    case, your opinion doesn't affect mine at all.

    >I spent last night listening to music and watching videos, and it occurred to
    >me that there is an animal/musical link between "Eve" and the Live in Tokio
    >video. Anybody know what it is?

    The reason they said the moo-cow condom in the video is because Kevin had
    something to do with the choosing of the excerpts that were from Eve. It's
    not a secret thing.

    >Could it be that the new DT CD is a concept album containing the entire
    >Metropolis saga?

    No, it couldn't.

    >Do me a favor, organise it privately. You may impress yourself by how
    >much of a Dream Theater fan you are, but not all of us really care.

    Whew! I'm not the only one that was thouroughly unimpressed by the DT Purity
    Test. Sorry Bogie. :-)

    >Thanks for letting me into this "group"!
    >

    Yeah...we have very high standards here, y'know.

            
    Eat, drink and be merry...for tomorrow we die.
    The Proudest Mr. Cool you ever seen.

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    Date: Fri, 10 May 96 08:00:00 +0100
    From: auzzy@tequila.entpe.fr (St\iphane Auzilleau)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: some infos on some tributes (DTC)
    Message-ID: <199605100713.AAA18671@mindcrime.ax.com>

    Hi there,

    Just few things:
    - Derek plays on two songs of the Jethro Tull tribute done by Magna Carta
    (new release date for Europe: June 17)
    - DT will definitely NOT play on the Judas Priest tribute done by Century Media.
    - The new release date, for Europe, of the Rush tribute on Magna Carta is
    July 22.

    That's all for now...

    Stephane

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    Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:54:18 +0200
    From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Vanden Plas + Ivenhoe in KL / Playing fast
    Message-ID: <9605100754.AA23012@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>

    Hi all!

    I just wanted to tell all the European (especially the German) jammers,
    that Vanden Plas and Ivanhoe are playing together on June 1st in
    the Kammgarn in Kaiserslautern!

    I just want to give a little comment to all the posts that were
    sent from Bafu and other people about how fast guitarists can play.
    Is it really so important that you can play FAST? In my opinion,
    a guitar player is a good guitar player when he has a nice TONE
    and can play some solos, that fit into the song where they're in.
    Somewhere I read that someone said that "A solo should be a song
    in a song" and that's how I like it. Naturally there can be played
    some fast scales in solos, that's not the point I try to make.
    But there also has to be melody and that is what a solo makes
    tasty and good, IMHO. At least, that's the way I play my solos. :)
    That's the reason why I like JP's playing: He somehow makes it to
    play fast AND with melody and he can play ALL he want. But not
    in every solo I like his style of playing. The end of the 'Lie'-solo
    for example just is a bunch of fast scales for me. Not more. Not much
    feeling in there IMHO. Well, but that's just me.

    Bye.

    Bernd.

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    Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:53:00 +0100
    From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch (Devrim Akyuz)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1533
    Message-ID: <adb8bc9f01021004cf7d@[128.178.99.18]>

    >------------------------------
    >
    >Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:35:37 -0500
    >From: jdecoste@students.wisc.edu (Jeff DeCoste)
    >To: ytsejam@ax.com
    >Subject: Holy DTC Batman!
    >Message-ID: <199605081635.LAA105393@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
    >
    >Just a few things I would like to say before the end of the semester and I
    >won't have access to e-mail:
    >
    >In DT, who do you think is the best player at his respective instrument? My
    >vote goes to the mute, John Myung. A close second being Petrucci.
    >
    >Another question for all...If one of the members would leave due to
    >"creative differences", who would be the hardest to replace? IMO, in order
    >of easiest to hardest to replace:
    > 5. Derek
    > 4. Portnoy
    > 3. Labrie
    > 2. Myung
    > 1. Petrucci
    > They replaces KM pretty easily, I think Derek could be replaced pretty
    >easily also. I gave the edge to Petrucci over Myung because I think he's a
    >better song writer lyrically.
    >
    >What do you think?
    >
    I think I'm happy you're getting out with your bullshit split speculation
    questions. And hey, who gives a fuck who's best on his instrument? Anyway,
    in my band, I'd never think about coming up with shit questions like these.
    Who really cares?

    Concerning SSM, I go with Doug: its definnitely not Geoff (vocal texture,
    if ya see wadd'I mean)

    To Seth Hatlelid: JMyung was in a Bass Player issue, if you haven't got it
    already.

    >Adios
    >Jeff
    >

    >i see where youre coming from. alot of people can go just for the
    >music, but many also like a little spice eh? i havent seen DT live
    >(yet) so i can't place any judgements on how they were or anything, but
    >wouldnt it rule with all sorts of explosions and cages n stuff? :) a
    >problem though is for when they play small venues, well, ya just cant
    >do that stuff...
    > also remember theyre working their asses off on concentration up
    >there. its EXTREMELY hard to play all that stuff and they're most
    >likely concerned with not bombing the gig rather than running around
    >and starting fires onstage. :)
    >

    Re: To RipZero and Dave Fernquist:

    I think that at least James can do a little more communicating and moving
    around on stage. He's so cold. IMO he's much less of a frontman than FW's
    Ray Alder. And prog or grunge, that doesn't make a difference: you have to
    have someone up there that means something to the crowd. I'm not into birds
    in cages, pyros or anything like that; I just expect to get more than just
    music when I go to a live show (now I think that's normal). That's all.
    Their music is very demanding (as a bassist, I was blasted when JM did his
    tapping stuff on Metropolis), o.k., but I hope they're not too concentrated
    on not having fun up there.
    -------------

    >D.T. sucks live? Man, I've got to disagree here. I've only seen D.T. three
    >times and never once have they disappointed me. Are you saying that they suck
    >because they reproduce the studio CD live and that there is no visual "show"?
    >For me, just seeing D.T. pull those songs off live is show enough. I also saw
    >F.W. open up for D.T. and no way in hell did they blow D.T. off of the stage.
    >As David St. Hubbins (of Spinal Tap) would say, "Is This A Joke?".

    No. Anyone got an idea how to get hold of DT/FW bass transcriptions??

    Cheers. Dave.

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    Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 01:51:53 -0700
    From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@primenet.com>
    To: "'YtseJam Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: G.A.S. Update
    Message-ID: <01BB3E13.4E6BA9C0@ip163.tus.primenet.com>

    G.A.S. UPDATE!!!

    Due to lack of participation, the first part of the G.A.S. has been
    eliminated. We will now concentrate only on the "Top 10 Favorite Bands"
    segment of the survey, which has generated responses from 21 'jammers (9
    today!!!) to date (5/9/96).
    I would greatly appreciate your participation in this, as I find it
    interesting to know where the general interest of the YtseJam lies. Top 10
    lists (that can include DT) can be E-mailed to:

    syoung@primenet.com

    and will be received until May 31st, at 11:59pm. Lists will be tallied and
    a non-DT band will be crowned on June 1st (my wife's birthday), and
    complete results will be posted on or about that day.

    Current Top 5 (non-DT) as of 5/9/96, out of 105 bands/artists received:
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ---------------------
    1) Rush (13 votes) --> I hear August for their next LP - anyone else?
    2) Queensryche (10)
    3) Fates Warning (7)
    4) Yes (6)
    5) Superior (5)
    Metallica
    Extreme

    Marillion, King's X, and Death are also strong contenders for a spot in the
    Top 5.

    22 days left before the deadline - plenty of time - I'd like to shoot for
    100 participants - it's feasible, right?
    So, get out and vote, you guys.
    C'mon, it'll be fun!
    Muchos thankos to those who have played the game already - you guys rule.

    Steve from Tucson
    syoung@primenet.com

    "There's not a man, woman or child alive that doesn't enjoy a lovely
    beverage." - David Letterman

    P.S. Of course, James, Mike, Derek, and the Johns are more than welcome to
    participate as well. I think it would be of great interest for the 'jammers
    to get an idea of what DT is listening to nowadays. Whaddaya say, guys?

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