YTSEJAM Digest 1540
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/10/96 - 19:40:26" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Re: BLAM!;WDAJU
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
3) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1539
by "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1538
by btomko@home.glasscity.net
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1536
by Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
6) Spamming Complaints
by "James Wiseman (Mr Who?)" <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
7) goodbyes are for pussies.
by WildKoba@aol.com
8) my thoughts on replacing members
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
9) Scarred
by Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
10) Carter Beauford
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
11) Blah and stuff
by Andrew Costa <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu>
12) Swan Song
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
13) Adios!
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
14) Rant ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:39:00 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/10/96 - 19:40:26" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:08:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: BLAM!;WDAJU
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605101159.D5309-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Fri, 10 May 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Nailed em
>
> Skadz :)
>
>
> Your posting to list YTSEJAM was rejected.
[stuff about magazine spam deleted]
Score 1 for Skadz!!!!
Woot.
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>
> during the guessing period for mike's secret, someone mentioned a studio
> WDAJU as something we all wanted. now, we all know the chances of this
> happening are slim and none, and slim just walkedout the door, but what
> if somehow it got floated out there that fans would be pleased with just
> a few being rerecorded. this obviously leads to which ones should be
> Irerecorded. we can ditch SS and afterlife for being very mediocre
> songs. likewise, AFiL and KH can be dropped because a great rendition
I don't think Afterlife is a mediocre song (as for SS, well...). As far
as WDAJU goes, fan interest or no, I really don't think DT would be
interested in rerecording those tracks. They seem to enjoy playing some
of them live, but not all of them, apparently, so I just don't see this
happening at all.
Younis Hilal
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:04:00 -0400
From: "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1539
Message-ID: <199605101911.MAA01503@mindcrime.ax.com>
> Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "C.S. Frankel" <96sp211@dvc.edu
>
>
> Happy listening (please don't kill me).
>
GOD!!! Did all the recent flaming make everyone scared of sending to the
Jam?????
Hey Jammers.....unless you are named after some stupid JR Tolken
Character.....don't worry...We won't flame you....
(unless you deserve it, or I start being a dumbass again...)
M O J O M A N S P E A K S !!!!
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:12:12 -0400
From: btomko@home.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1538
Message-ID: <B0000047604@home.glasscity.net>
Although this isn't anything we non Dream Theater members could
possibly answer accurately, I would have to agree with the Digital Man's
evaluation. Derek is a great musician, but he hasn't co-written any of the
band's released material, at least to my limited knowledge I hope this will
change when the new album is released. I hope to see all members trying
their hand at writing, singing, or even swapping instruments...
>I would have to include JM in a 4-way tie. No offense again Derek, but
>he is the new guy, and as such, isn't ingrained into the workings of the
>band yet. An album and a tour from now, and it'll be a 5-way tie for me.
Thanks to Skadz for the dreamt.org account. I can now be reached at
spector@dreamt.org. Does anyone know what times the Dream Theater IRC is
busiest?
I thought of this a few days ago... At Ytsecon, for the benefit of
those unable to attend, maybe you could set up a large TV screen connected
to an IRC, so people attending (and the band, maybe?) could be harrassed by
those of us in distant places, such as the Ohioan corn fields.
Mark Tomko
spector@dreamt.org
btomko@main.glasscity.net
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1536
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605101156.D23256-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Thanks to whoever it was that posted their opinion on JP's instructional
vid. Wow...I got an EoJ for that post! Any other opinions on the JP video?
Now to join in on the "Firsts" thread...
First vinyl:
single - "Kiss On My List" by Hall & Oates
album - Star Wars Original Motion Picture Soundtrack
First cassette:
"The Ghost In the Machine" or some other Police album.
I can't remember because I seem to have gotten pretty much
all the Police casettes up to "Ghost" over the course of one
summer in the early 1980's. First casette could have been
Def Leppard's "Pyromania", I don't remember
First CD:
"The Joshua Tree" by U2
******************************************************************************
Robert Andrew Jurado
roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 21:47:00 +0100 (BST)
From: "James Wiseman (Mr Who?)" <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Spamming Complaints
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960510214500.1112C-100000@slc-34>
I've found the address of the place to complain about the ytse-spamming.
I suggest everyone writes in with their complaints. It is as follows:
Hope this helps,
Jimbo The Funky Beer Monster.
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:11:42 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: goodbyes are for pussies.
Message-ID: <960510171141_532578639@emout17.mail.aol.com>
it is with regrets that i wish to say farewell to the ytsejam.
things have just been constantly getting worse and worse in my life at school
and what not. try musically directing a show when your keyboadist calls you 3
hours before the show opens and tells you he's got tendonitis. try waking up
with this insane depressed feeling, and being hyper and trying to smile is
all you have to hide your true mind.
try dealing with 22 credits, finals, and the lsat's that i don't even want to
take.
i mean, i'm not dead. yet. but when you get a lot of ytsejams, and all you do
is delete them, that just means that you don't get what you used to from
them.
not that it's personal. i've had an awesome time. it's just that now i miss
out on all of it.
if i survive finals and the lsat's, i might come back for the party, but for
now, i just need to chill.
some notes to some particular folks.
mike bahr- wanted to say thanks for the ad and wdatu cd's. they are
excellent. if you concoct any new dt things, i'd love to know about them.
digitalia, mojo, gandalf, itz; i'm hoping maybe we can still jam over the
summer. if interested, let me know. dig, i'll finish your tape in about a
couple of more weeks (our little swap), so email me with your home number,
and we talk more.
to the folks running ytsecon 3- i've been trying to find info on where it's
at and when, but i never found it. jeff, dig (you guys are involved, right?)
please let me know what's going down. i'd like to go if i can.
bafu- you crazy guy. keep the jam hoppin funky fresh in da house. live long
and prosper.
to anyone who cares- you are all welcome to email me with any news or
whatever (as long as it's not spam, or i'll fracture your scrotums). you
might run into me at the tori amos show in syracuse, the macintosh new music
festival, pfunk in central park, alanis, tori, and/or jethro and elp at jones
beach, and you may never know it. if you do know it, say "what up? funky
fresh in da house." and i'll respond.
and no matter how depressed i am, or whatever, with or without a jam, i still
have dt in my ears. that ain't going anywhere soon.
to anyone who doesn't care- fuck you too.
maybe i'll send a postcard. farewell, at least for now.
godspeed,
david the magical kobayashi
peace out.
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david yoichi kobayashi
the wild and magical koba.
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair. precious gifts
beyond compare."
until the circle breaks, and wisdom lies ahead, the faithful live Awake, the
rest remain misled."
"better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret."
binghamton university, class of 97. music, philosophy
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:32:38
From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my thoughts on replacing members
Message-ID: <199605102128.RAA13084@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
with all this talk about who's the easiest member of DT to replace, i
thought i'd jump in.
no one can be replaced.
when Kevin left,he took with him all his influence. never again will we
see a new DT song with lyrics written by Kev. Derek isn't a replacement
for Kev. he's a completely different player than him. Derek will bring
his own influences into the band.
IMO a band changes with any members that leave, no matter who they are. if
James left, the vocals would be drastically different. if Myung left,
you'd lose his playing style and his lyrics (which are my personal fav).
the same goes for Petrucci and Portnoy. it's not simply musicianship that
makes a band. they are incredible writers, and they have a chemistry
that's tough to match. when the band's line up changes, so does the
chemistry.
i personally think that the new album will be a change from their previous
stuff. not just because they're progressing, but because they've a new
influence in the band (Derek).
try to keep this in mind when you're deciding upon the expendability of the
individual band members.
this is all IMHO, of course.
seeya
Andrew
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C O M E V I S I T M Y W E B P A G E!!!!!!!!
http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage
Andrew Miller - keyboardist - SubtleRage@gnn.com
- SubtleRage (progressive rock)
- Interum (new age/prog instrumental)
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:40:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Scarred
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93L.960510174017.18209A-100000@ahnnyong.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Here's one:
Scarred: "My sword exposed"
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*>
<*> Columbia University <*> (212) 853-6952 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
"Aladdin! You just won the heart of the princess! What are
you gonna do next?" --- Genie, Disney's Aladdin
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:49:14 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Carter Beauford
Message-ID: <199605102149.OAA10828@maple.enet.net>
>I remember catching them on Sat. Night Live (does anybody watch that any
>more?) a few weeks ago. I listened pretty carefully to the drumming and
>didn't think it was anything special. Why is everyone going nuts over
>Carter Beauford? It's not like he's the next Dave Weckl or anything.
Until I'm as good as him, then I'll think that he is amazing. He plays and
looks like Dennis Chambers...kinda scary. :-)
Mike Portnoy uses the same thing over and over and over again...that's what
I've learned. More noticible on Awake, where he was on an
end-every-fill-with-two-cymbal-crashes-instead-of-one...ex:
Usually you'll hear:
dub dub dub dub crash
MP on Awake:
dub dub dub crash crash
I can't really find a common thread such as this on I&W...but the
beat he uses for the verses in PMU and the beginning of Metropolis is the
same. And, his solo on LiT is pretty much the same thing all the way
through. That's not the kind of drum solo I like. That was just
chopschopschops and morechops. I like a complex one....where it sounds like
he has 5 and a half hands and you can't figure out what the hell is going
on. That's the good kind. Minus the beginning of the LiT solo there was
almost no rhythm in it. A drum solo in a tape of an MP clinic that I have
is great. It all has rhythm...none of it is just chops. Good schtuff.
>"If you were
>forced to kill one of the members of DT, which one would it be and why?"
>Enough said.
That's the easiest question of all. Mike Portnoy, so I could replace him. :-)
But, since listening to helped my drumming so much, I'd make it quick and
painless. ;-)
>For all we know, he might also be the one responsible for deciding each
>concert's setlist, with some input from the other guys, of course.
>Just a little speculation about what makes DT tick.
I think that MP said he made the setlists somewhere. Which gives me another
reason to kill him. Why would you end a concert with Perfect Strangers?! Blech.
>I just prefer the in-your-face style that's a big part of his
>playing. Subtle stuff like ghost-notes are a nice touch, but there's too
>much subtle drumming out there.
I hate to sound old fashioned, but sometimes the drummer's job is to
play behind the band. That's what I have to do in the jazz band at school. I
have no trouble with being both complex and behind the band at the same
time. Mike Portnoy's kind of a show off...in a good way of course, becauses
he is amazing, but he does show off a little.
>PS: I wonder what the odds are of getting an EoJ on my first post.
Considering you didn't, not very good.
>(50/50: Either I will or I won't)
That's my outlook on the weather. In my mind there's ALWAYS a %50 percent
chance of rain.
> Did I saw that you had to like DMB better than DT too? No...in which
>case, your opinion doesn't affect mine at all.
Argh! saw=say
About playing fast....I agree with Bernd. Fast AND melodic makes a good
guitarist.
>I think I'm happy you're getting out with your bullshit split speculation
>questions. And hey, who gives a fuck who's best on his instrument? Anyway,
>in my band, I'd never think about coming up with shit questions like these.
>Who really cares?
Sheesh...who pissed in YOUR coffee?
>I think that at least James can do a little more communicating and moving
>around on stage.
Woo! SOMEbody hasn't seen Live in Tokyo. He's running around so much it
detracts from his singing in this one.
>"Why do heavy metal guitar solos have so many notes in them? Because they're
>still trying to find the right ones."
Heeheeheheheeeheeeaahhaheheha. That was funny. :-)
>I wasn't trying to change your opinion. You asked if anyone had the new
>DMB and I said I did. I then offered my opinion. That was all it was. My
>opinion. Some people are a little touchy...
Well why did you go on a "DMB is NOT better than DT" rant?
>Happy listening (please don't kill me).
I'll spare your life, but it'll cost ya.
>Your posting to list YTSEJAM was rejected.
>Reason: message size limit exceeded (maximum allowed: 10000 bytes)
>The first few lines of your message are included herein for reference:
I got that message when I tried to post a 12Ker. Actually, it was an
accident that it got sent in.
Okay...I keep trying to say this, but I keep forgetting, so here:
Awake is exactly 75:00. That is the absoulute max for a CD. I
wonder what they had to cut out of the songs to get the album this length.
I'm thinking it would be too big of a coincidence for it to just have
happened to be exactly that length.
>the sikelessness of hatred tips away.
Actually, I have heard it as "cyclessness".
P: "Now everything's floopy."
M: "Well, make it UNfloopy!"
P: "Yeah..like THAT'S a word."
>1. LFaGA: and the Jews lose everything. (not really pc, but the boys
>were still young)
Ha! That's funny...well, actually it's not.
Buhbye!!!!!
Crash into me.
The Proudest Mr. Cool you ever seen.
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:18:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Costa <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blah and stuff
Message-ID: <199605102218.PAA05426@mindcrime.ax.com>
Well, I must say that this list really added to fun I had this year. I've
only been on since September and I've learned more about DT than I could
have hoped for. Just dropping a note to say that you've got another
satisfied customer and I'll be back in fall.
See ya,
Andrew C.
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 18:30:11 -0500
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: The Usual Suspects <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Swan Song
Message-ID: <v01540b01adb97ea50090@bootp-234-126.bootp.virginia.edu>
Well, I'm fuckin' done.
I'm off to Beach Week.
It's been a fun fun year, my Ytsecomrades... all you unsubbing, hope you
all have a funky summer. All you on IRC, you are ALL equally the man
(including Irene, Charone, and Wisha). All you hanging around, I'll be
back on-jam in a week or so with ya, joining the proud ranks of AOL.
This sentence IS my Dream Theater Content.
Scott.
Knows You Don't Care
ps: And if you're so concerned about getting an EoJ, make it easier on
yourself and make your own! No fuss, no muss.
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 18:19:23 -0500
From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Adios!
Message-ID: <199605102319.SAA35872@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Hey Jammers-
Sure, college is over for one year, but I've got an e-mail account
at home. Yea, it's my Dad's, and yes, it's on AOL. But, the point is, I'll
be back soon (as if anyone's going to miss me). Later.
rtgood@students.wisc.edu will be back in like a week or two as
rtgdad@aol.com. Rock and Roll!!!
________________________________________________
"The future is no place to place your better days"
--Dave
Matthews
________________________________________________
name - Ryan T. Good
e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu
phone - 1-(608)-264-2268
what - Madison Student Radio
who - Music Staff (Music Stapher)
which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal
why - why not?
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 19:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rant ....
Message-ID: <199605112328.TAA05771@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hey all .........
Well, I just emptied the ytsejam error mailbox. It had about
3150 emails in it, so I basically just wasted my Friday. A few bitches,
moans and whatnot now.
If you are going home for the summer from school and will not be checking
your email, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE unsubscribe. I don't need
100 bounces a day about exceeded mail quotas. So if you are not going
to be checking your mail over the summer, unsub before you leave.
Another thing, if you are switching accts, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
unsub the old one before you leave the service.
I may have unsubbed people who shouldn't have, but they looked like they
needed to be unsubbed from the error messages. I have a list of who I
unsubbed, so if there are any questions, just ask.
Question: Who has the mail thing on their page that sends the
mail which says (WWW Generated Email) Please Email me if this is you.
The important part:
How to Unsub from the YTSEJAM
mail ytsejam-request@ax.com
with the subject being exactly: asdf
and in the body saying: unsubscribe ytsejam
TO EVERYONE WHO HAS A DREAM THEATER WEB PAGE:
Please update the information on your page with the exact info on
ax.com. Please remove any references to arastar.com. I plan
on telling Ken to kill all ytsejam@arastar.com mail soon.
This info is in the FAQ, so if you have a copy of the FAQ, make
sure you update that as well.
Another note for Web People, there is no way to allow people
to subscribe from your web page. I may make something you can
link to on my site soon, but that is only because I have
special privs on the list.
Ok, I think that's everything.
Skadz
-- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg skadz@mindstorm.com | | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p e r | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ \ "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning" / \ "Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage / +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+------------------------------
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