YTSEJAM Digest 1542
Today's Topics:
1) dancing turtle
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/12/96 - 01:03:51" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Sheesh.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
4) Echolyn? What?
by Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
5) Jam 1541
by GHSRocker@aol.com
6) Petrucci's a stud, what about 8-tracks?... (LDTC)
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
7) New Echolyn
by Shane Vitarana <svitaran@eden.rutgers.edu>
8) DEREK'S GIG!!!!!!!
by guitar@haven.ios.com (Rob Leifer)
9) No go on Savatage Long Island shows!!
by Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1541
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) Ethyl Mertz
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
12) Re: G.A.S. update for (5/11/96)
by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@primenet.com>
13) Kevin Moore Demos
by Charles D Harrison <cdh191@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
14) Secret
by esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
15) Secret
by esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
16) Re: Savatage shows
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1541
by btomko@main.glasscity.net
18) Ivanhoe Recommendation
by "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
19) My first post. :)
by Derrick Collins <derrick@cycor.ca>
20) STV
by swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
21) IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG?
by Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu>
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 16:57:46 -0700
From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: dancing turtle
Message-ID: <199605112357.QAA12008@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
what?!?!?! You mean to tell me he really doesnt say "death is the
first dancing turtle"?????? ALl this time I THOUGHT HE REALLY SAID IT!
/me is rotflmao now
jeez!
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 20:02:23 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/12/96 - 01:03:51" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 17:22:12 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sheesh.
Message-ID: <199605120022.RAA11381@maple.enet.net>
>Ben-
>
>I wasn't talking to you.
Charone: I wasn't talking to YOU.
>Scarred: 'Well...we're not heavy'
We're his brother.
>75 minutes is not the maximum length for a CD, it's 80 minutes.
Cool. But, as it seems, on Awake 75 min. was the max, eh? That's what is
said on the little sticker on the front. Cool...maybe next time DT will go
for 80. :-)
>Sorry, for nitpicking, but actually, Awake is 75:02, and the maximum for a
CD is 75:41, so it's a LITTLE more
>possible that the songs happened to add up to just under the limit...
Once again, what about the sticker?
>so let that be a lesson to y'all,
>and I hope this is the last post we see
>concerning this decidedly dull and pointless topic.
Dammit, I didn't ask how long the CD was...I asked if they had to cut
anything off.
Prepare my friends, to follow meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
PREPARE TO FOLLOW MAY!!!!
Crash into me.
The Proudest Mr. Cool you ever seen.
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 20:26:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Echolyn? What?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960511202625.11466A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Ok, guys. here's the scoupe.
1: Echolyn has broken up.
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Michael B. Ostrich
musical advisor/consultant
syrinx@dreamt.org
syrinx@voicenet.com
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
..and a partridge in a pear tree.
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 20:32:05 -0400
From: GHSRocker@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jam 1541
Message-ID: <960511203205_533266354@emout14.mail.aol.com>
What a waste of bandwidth. At least DreamNDay didn't cram the jam with junk.
Let's start a new thread talking about recent music we've purchased that has
'imagination'.
I just bought Brave by ___________. You know who... <thanks Mark>
Bafu Vai (required content)
Jam on, George.
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Never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly.
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Date: Sat, 11 May 96 17:39:18 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Petrucci's a stud, what about 8-tracks?... (LDTC)
Message-ID: <9605120039.AA14417@tengs1>
From: cng@tcco.com
Subject: Fast Guitarists Get Bad Rap
While we're on the subject of fast guitarists...
..I think bursts of sheer speed can be just as fulfilling as a slow
bluesy lick.
That's probably why Rena [Petrucci] married John.
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From: "M. Stalker (Lugie on IRC)" <mstalker@kimberlite.wwonline.com>
Subject: First Music (You won't believe it)
Ok, I think I can top all of you guys:
1st LP: Wham! _Make It Big_ (got it in 1984)
1st cassette: Micheal Jackson _Thriller_ (got it in 1984?)
1st CD: Metallica _Ride The Lightning_ (got it in 1989)
Alright! Who's going to *really* date themselves and
admit their first 8-track???
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From: "R. Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: digest 1540 -- CD lengths
so let that be a lesson to y'all,
and I hope this is the last post we see
concerning this decidedly dull and pointless topic.
Where the hell is Hairball when we need him? Didn't anyone
archive the explanation for this?
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 20:53:20 -0400
From: Shane Vitarana <svitaran@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Echolyn
Message-ID: <31953680.33FB@eden.rutgers.edu>
> I heard on the 'jam that Echolyn had broke up....
>
> Yet, I also heard that a new cd is due out from this later this
> month....
>
> Anyone known what's going on?
Echolyn did break up but are releasing a cd called _When the Sweet Turns Sour_
containing some older stuff they did before they broke up. Its still good stuff tho.
They broke up into two different bands Finneus Gauge and Still. Look for the new
Echolyn later this month.
PS: Check out the Bookmarks/Music section of my home for some great progressive rock
links.. and some good info on purchasing rare stuff via the net.
-- Shane
------------Shane Vitarana---------------
http://www-eden.rutgers.edu/~svitaran
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 23:30:45 -0400
From: guitar@haven.ios.com (Rob Leifer)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DEREK'S GIG!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <v01530500adbb05dd98d1@[169.132.97.30]>
What's up Jammers,
Well, I went to Derek's gig last night! It was real kool! I went with
Jeff Chew, and the only thing that sucked was that the place was so damn
hard to find. We must have passed it about ten times before we finally
found it. It was a very small place. It was basically just a bar with a
little tiny area in the back for the band -- It wasn't what I was
expecting! At first the bar tender wouldn't let us in, but then when we
told him that we knew Derek, he let us -- that was kool! There was no real
set list. They didn't play any ETHYL MERTZ songs. Probably because there
are no EM songs =) It was just a jamming thing. Someone would call out a
song and they would all jam to it. Al Petrelli was ripping on Derek the
whole night! He kept embarrasing him infront of everyone, but it didn't
really seem to bother Derek. They played a few Doobie Bros. songs and a
lot of other blues based songs. Al played guitar will a sigarette in his
hand. I thought that was a kool trick. At the end of the first set, Derek
came and talked to us (Jeff Chew, Mojo man, me, and a few other jammers,
but I can't remember their names). He said that he is going to do more
shows there, but next time he will might bring Portnoy!!! And after that
he might bring Petrucci, and Myung also!!!!!! He told us that Playing at
this gig was so much easier that playing with DT because he doesn't have to
think at all, and he could drink a beer while playing -- It's those
important things in life that you you just don't have time to do when
you're a member of DT!
Well, that's all I can think of right now! I hope to see some more of you
guys at the next "Derek Sherinian" gig!! See ya'll later!
Robb
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 22:33:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No go on Savatage Long Island shows!!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605112224.A8759-0100000@vision.d.umn.edu>
Jammers,
Unfortunately, the Savatage warm up shows planned for May 18th and 19th
are NOT going to happen. The clubs that were contacted could not
accomadate them on such short notice.
The other two shows are going to happen. I hope you can catch at least
one of them. These are warm up shows to iron out any problems they may
have before they get to the Dynamo Festival in front of 80,000 fans.
reportedly Savatage will be using former Dream Theater soundman "Vinnie"
during the tour. (Now they just need to find the guy responsible for DT's
light show ;-).
So the shows are :
May 16 Danbury, Conneticut
May 17 at the BirchHill in Old Bridge, NJ
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 01:17:25 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1541
Message-ID: <19960512051723.AAA12175@mail.pananet.com>
>75 minutes is not the maximum length for a CD, it's 80 minutes. I have
>several CD's longer than 75, dating back to the 3 discs on the very
As far as I understand, 75 is the limit because more than that causes the CD
to skip a lot. That's what Nuno said at least...Extreme had to cut off a
song from the III sides CD for that reason...
"OK...great, OK...listen Bert,uh...how about this one?"(this one,this
one,this one,this one, this one, etc.)
Ernie :)
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 01:36:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ethyl Mertz
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605120117.A1214-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
So? Come on! I've waited a whole day to hear reviews! How was the show?
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary
cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 01:05:53 -0700
From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@primenet.com>
To: "'YtseJam Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: G.A.S. update for (5/11/96)
Message-ID: <01BB3F9F.3356D820@ip163.tus.primenet.com>
G.A.S. UPDATE!!!
Due to lack of participation, the first part of the G.A.S. has been
eliminated. We will now concentrate only on the "Top 10 Favorite
Bands/Artists" segment of the survey, which has generated responses from 32
'jammers to date (5/11/96).
I would greatly appreciate your participation in this, as I find it
interesting to know where the general interest of the YtseJam lies. Top 10
lists (that can include DT) can be E-mailed to:
and will be received until May 31st, at 11:59pm. Lists will be tallied and
a non-DT band/artist will be crowned on June 1st (my wife's birthday), and
complete results (ALL bands/artists received and number of votes) will be
posted on or about that day.
Current Top 5 (non-DT) as of 5/11/96, out of 138 bands/artists received:
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1) Rush (19 votes) --> I hear August for their next LP - anyone else?
2) Queensryche (18)
3) Fates Warning (13)
4) Extreme (10)
5) King's X (9) --> New disc this month, right?
Marillion, Metallica, and Yes are also strong contenders for a spot in the
Top 5.
20 days left before the deadline - plenty of time - I'd like to shoot for
100 participants - it's feasible, right?
So, get out and vote, you guys.
C'mon, it'll be fun!
Muchos thankos to those who have played the game already - you guys rule.
Steve from Tucson
syoung@primenet.com
"There's not a man, woman or child alive that doesn't enjoy a lovely
beverage." - David Letterman
P.S. Of course, James, Mike, Derek, and the Johns are more than welcome to
participate as well. I think it would be of great interest for the 'jammers
to get an idea of what DT is listening to nowadays. Whaddaya say, guys?
P.S.S. To those who were losing sleep over it, Meat Loaf was in fact given
a vote. You may now resume your lives comfortably and in peace. We are
still, however, awaiting the first vote for Wayne Newton - never fear, I'm
sure someone will come through.
P.S.S.S. I just came back from seeing Twister - it ruled - don't miss it;
especially all you Van Halen fans (I have five votes for VH, BTW).
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 05:06:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charles D Harrison <cdh191@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
To: Dream Theater Listserve <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Kevin Moore Demos
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605111900.A2169-0100000@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Hey guys,
I read somewhere on a DT FAQ that I could get the first Kevin Moore Demo
from the ytse-jammers. So how about supplying the ytse-rookie with the
goods. My e-mail is cdh191@nwu.edu if anybody is interested.
Thanks in advance,
Charlie
(The Ytse-Rook)
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 13:23:55 +0000
From: esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Secret
Message-ID: <v01520d01adbb95cb2239@[139.153.41.146]>
DT will record an extended 10-12 minute version of LSoaD with a full
orchestra and release it as a B-side, as well as including it on the new
video..
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 13:24:07 +0000
From: esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Secret
Message-ID: <v01520d02adbb9694515e@[139.153.41.146]>
I hope! :-)
Cheers... Edd.
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 10:05:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Savatage shows
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960512100339.7188B-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Sat, 11 May 1996, Nate Bradley wrote:
> So the shows are :
>
> May 16 Danbury, Conneticut
> May 17 at the BirchHill in Old Bridge, NJ
Any one on Long Island going to these shows and interested in sharing a
ride?
Andy
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 10:41:13 -0400
From: btomko@main.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1541
Message-ID: <B0000051662@home.glasscity.net>
>> I thought of this a few days ago... At Ytsecon, for the benefit of
>>those unable to attend, maybe you could set up a large TV screen connected
>>to an IRC, so people attending (and the band, maybe?) could be harrassed by
>>those of us in distant places, such as the Ohioan corn fields.
>
>Even though I think I'm gonna go to the 'con, this seems like a damn good
>idea. Better yet - set up CUSeeMe (an internet video chat). I don't know
>about the logistics of it, but it'd be nice if we could set something up so
>the people that can't be there in person could still participate somehow.
I posted this on ytsejam 1540 and I'm pretty proud of the idea. I
really think that something like this should be done. I'd love to be able
to attend, but that won't be possible. Whoever is organizing Ytsecon,
please take note!!!!!!
Mark Tomko
spector@dreamt.org
btomko@main.glasscity.net
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Date: 12 May 1996 13:46:11 U
From: "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ivanhoe Recommendation
Message-ID: <n1380214111.69492@macsmtp>
If you like harder sounding prog metal, you may want to check out Ivanhoe. I
had heard a couple of recommendations on the jam and decided to go for it. Well
worth it. I got their disk "Symbols" and like it a lot. Pretty good guitar
work, some diverse sounds and intelligently written songs.
Their record company (Avalanche = avalanche@bonaire.com) is having a
buy-one-get-one-free offer this month. The freebe that I got when I ordered was
"Psychedelicatessen" by a band called Threshold. Something like a hypothetical
cross between Triumph (showing my age ??) and Superior.
I am not saying that either of these bands is going to knock DT off their
pedestal, but for $18 postpaid, these two disks are probably worth getting.
And for those thin skinned yet highly opinionated Ytsejammers (98% of you, right
??) who will disagree with me, all of these opinions are posted imho, so dont
publicly flame me for expressing it. If you do, I will kill Warren.
Later,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
First LP = Cosmo's Factory
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 15:53:09 -0200
From: Derrick Collins <derrick@cycor.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My first post. :)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960512175309.00667030@mail.cycor.ca>
As you can tell by the subject this is my first post to the Ytsejam.
I've been subscribed to the Jam for awhile but I never had much to say and I
still don't. So there. I don't even have a .sig. I never bothered to make
one. Anyway look for me on the #ytsemjam IRC as, you guessed it, Derrick.
PS Think I'll get an EOJ on my first post. (I doubt it.)
PPS Why has the frequency of the Jams decresed so much over the past
couple of days? I miss having my mailbox cluttered with them.
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 12:39:36 -0600
From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: STV
Message-ID: <199605121839.MAA05137@henge.com>
I guess that I'd better do some much needed promotion. I apologize in
advance for non-DTC.
This year I have been occupying my free time working on the comittee for the
annual Silence the Violence showcase. The point is to recruit highschool
bands to put on a free concert at a local park. This year it is at Clements
Park on June 8th at 4:00 P.M. The bands this year are Ground Floor,
Sylmour, Useless, Orpheus, Idle Mind, and, our esteemed headliners, the
Psychodelic Zombiez. If you live in the Denver area or are planning to be
here on the 8th, show up. Come on, it's free. The Zombiez are probably the
most talented band out here. E-mail me if you have questions.
Later,
Cory
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 13:45:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG?
Message-ID: <199605121845.NAA17988@nic.gac.edu>
1522
Ytsejamers,
The last digest that I received was #1522.
Has anyone received anything higher than this (if you are reading this
then I guess you have). If Jams higher than 1522 have been sent out, I
think that it means that I was accidentally unsubscribed--thus I need to
rescribe!
If that is/was the highest Jam sent--what is wrong?
Thanks,
Ryan Benedict
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