YTSEJAM Digest 1543
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/12/96 - 20:09:06" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Things, therefore I am.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
3) A non-subscriber asking help.
by Aviad Shkolnikov <shkola@mail.snunit.k12.il>
4) I finally found one!
by GHSRocker@aol.com
5) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1541
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
6) Ethyl Mertz
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1539
by tormato@allinux1.alliance.net (Jeremy Hyde)
8) 'jam frequency...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
9) New life...
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1541
by Daniel McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
11) Misheard lyrics...
by Charles D Harrison <cdh191@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
12) What I've bought...
by Bogie34@aol.com
13) All CANADIAN JAMMERS HO!
by John Fewer <jfewer@voyager.newcomm.net>
14) Re: My First 8-Track
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
15) Re: CD lengths
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
16) Hey wow
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
17) Oh yeah
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
18) Jason Becker's "Perspective" available
by Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu>
19) metallica
by cyclone@securenet.net
20) Ethyl Mertz
by John Cahill <mithrandir@pb.net>
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 15:07:38 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/12/96 - 20:09:06" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199605121907.MAA17658@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 19:07:33 GMT on 12 May 1996 has been delivered.
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 13:36:58 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Things, therefore I am.
Message-ID: <199605122036.NAA29694@maple.enet.net>
>what?!?!?! You mean to tell me he really doesnt say "death is the
>first dancing turtle"?????? ALl this time I THOUGHT HE REALLY SAID IT!
>/me is rotflmao now
>jeez!
> ~Rip
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Really?
I'd think you were joking.
Please, tell me you're joking. That's really bad.
IMO, it doesn't really sound like he's saying the turtle thing.
Sounds like "first dance eternal to me.
Krrrrrrraccccck....you HAD to have been joking.
Under all the sarcasm around here lately, you probably were.
Right now, that is my belief.
This subject is boring now....goodbye.
Think, people, think.
>Al played guitar will a sigarette in his
>hand. I thought that was a kool trick.
Did he learn it from Slash?
Crash into me.
The Proudest Mr. Cool you ever seen.
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Date: Sun, 12 May 96 21:46 +0300
From: Aviad Shkolnikov <shkola@mail.snunit.k12.il>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: A non-subscriber asking help.
Message-ID: <m0uIgGd-0000HvC@donews.cts.com>
Hello people.
Well, I'm not a subscriber for a few months now, but as I recall from my
subscription days, a new DT album is due out soon.
It would appreciate it so much if someone could drop me a line about it
(a date?). It's kinda hard getting that sort of info in Israel, where I live.
Thanks in advance
- Aviad
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"We went shoping for God, * "See my diary on the news stand,
and got the God of Shoping..." * Seems we lost the truth to quicksand"
Galiano * Dream Theater, "Voices"
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 18:29:10 -0400
From: GHSRocker@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I finally found one!
Message-ID: <960512182909_112096816@emout07.mail.aol.com>
After searching for MONTHS to no avail, I finally found my own copy of I&W on
video.
I must say the MP's drum so does kick serious butt. The brief spot of
Pantera's "By Demons Be Driven" was an eye-opener. I heard that he snuck it
in there, but I didn't know it would sound so good.
Balls 'n Chunk is were it's at... I'll say.
Another Day should have gotten airplay on the light rock stations here in the
Cleveland area. Radio shoves mush down your throat with heavy rotation of
Seal's "Kiss From A Rose" and that damn Whitney Houston song from that movie
of her's, why can't radio play Another Day. There is no justice in this
world!
I will be getting a new internet access this week, so look for me on the IRC
more often. Along with that, I will have a new e-mail address as well.
Talk to you on the IRC, George.
********************************************
If you see me driving sideways...wave.
Never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly!
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 18:53:20 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1541
Message-ID: <199605122254.PAA21516@mindcrime.ax.com>
> From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
> Hi Fellow jammers, Gandalf can now be reached at his new E-mail
> account at mithrandir.pb.net The name Mithrandir is the
> Elvish translation of Gandalf so from now on it's Mithrandir to you.
Gee, thats easy to remember...
> Oh BTW Hey Mojo Go F**k yourself ( Iknow I said I don't flame people
> on the jam but in his case I made an exception)
I Love you too, Senor Cahill!
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:06:53 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ethyl Mertz
Message-ID: <199605122308.QAA21633@mindcrime.ax.com>
Good Show...
I could only stay for one set.....
It was good finally placing the names with the faces, so to speak...
(Hey Jeff, Hey Rob)
D-Man will know what Im talking about...but EM played standard Thugs
Covers...
Doobie, Stones....Clapton.....
Derek is one cool mother Fucker... I enjoyed talking to him...Shit..even
my girlfriend thought he was a nice guy!
As for Greg Smith...he rocks...he's one of the coolest Long Island Rock
Stars out there...(It also helps that I know him real well :) ) but he
just one of those great guys...
Now I know why Derek and Greg played together in AC....those two are
tighter than a virgin on prom night....
As for Al Pitrelli....he doesn't look like the guy I remember from the
pictures..
and I didn't get a chance to talk to him....what was funny...was as I was
leaving, I bump into him and almost knock him down...and he looks up at me
and says " Holy Fucking Shit.....wanna be a body guard?????"
Anyway....see you guys later...!
M O J O M A N S P E A K S !!!!!
PS Digital Man....I confirmed the rumour....spoke to Marc today...will
talk to troat guy soon...
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Date: Sun, 12 May 96 19:28 EDT
From: tormato@allinux1.alliance.net (Jeremy Hyde)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1539
Message-ID: <m0uIkYX-000pg8C@alliance.net>
>Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:22:09 -0700
>From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Marillion - "Script" for sale
>Message-ID: <v02140b00adb90c112e96@DialupEudora>
>
>With the recent flurry of Marillion postings (I just got done catching up
>on 2 weeks of Jam--cut me a bit of slack), I was reminded that I have a
>spare copy of Marillion's "Script for a Jester's Tear" available.
>
>I originally picked it up because I have found it difficult to get older
>Marillion for less than import prices here in the US. I'll sell it for
>US$9, including postage, within the US. E-mail me if interested.
>
>pg
>
> ----------------------------+----------------------------------
> Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle
> pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato
> | "Do be do be do" - Sinatra
> ----------------------------+----------------------------------
Hey, I really need Script badly! I lost my friend's copy recently and I
can't find any replacements around here!!! So, I'd be willing to take it
off your hands!
Please reply,
Jeremy Hyde
tormato@mail.alliance.net
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:07:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: FREE Magazine_Offer! <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 'jam frequency...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960512200342.12895A-100000@indy17.gclab.missouri.edu>
>PPS Why has the frequency of the Jams decresed so much over the past
>couple of days? I miss having my mailbox cluttered with them.
College. Most of the subscribers to this (and I'm sure many other lists)
are college students. Right now is the end of the semester and finals,
so there is a large chunk of people that won't be getting/posting for
about 3 months. There are going to be less 'jams. Deal with it. :)
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 18:45:20 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New life...
Message-ID: <199605130145.SAA15621@bud.indirect.com>
Just a quick note... the Bahr cat, "Tori Amos", was the proud
mother of five kittens slightly after midnight on the morning of Mother's
Day. (What's that I hear in the back about "ironic"?) :) Alas, one of the
kittens did not survive the night, but the other four are happy and
healthy and contentedly sucking away at Tori's undercarraige.
Any Ytsejammers that want one (for free) are welcome to one,
assuming of course that you live in the area, as cats have a hard time
making it through shipping. They're a cross between a Bengal and a
domestic shorthair (mutt). Bengals are usually pretty expensive... dsh's
are generally NOT. :) I was lucky to have a local friend who was willing
to breed his bengal tom with Tori. Anyway, if you want one, let me know.
I think they have to stay here for 3 weeks, and then they're old enough
to go out on their own. These cats all have type BB dander, which will
not aggravate any except the worst allergies (the type where you're
allergic to dogs and rodents as well as cats).
MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 21:48:33 -0300
From: Daniel McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1541
Message-ID: <319686E1.1732@dreamt.org>
> From: cng@tcco.com
> Subject: Fast Guitarists Get Bad Rap
So then slow guitarists don't buy rap CDs at all... :) (Sorry, I had to say it. That's not even IMO, I like some rap...
Don't flame me for blanket statements, because all flamers have small brains. IMO, of course. ;)
> I get so pissed off whenever I hear someone put down JP, Yngwie Malmsteen or
> Paul Gilbert simply because they play fast and are technically gifted. I
> think guys who take the time to learn their craft should be praised. I don't
> think playing "slow" automatically means that you're playing with soul and
> feeling. I think bursts of sheer speed can be just as fulfilling as a slow
> bluesy lick.
Exactly. Look at JP's solo in Voices. Anyone who can... Wait a minute... That sounds like the start of a BLANKET
STATEMENT... I better rephrase that... Listen to the Voices guitar solo and then see if you can honestly say that fast
players can't play FAST with soul.
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Here I go, correcting myself...
> From: Daniel McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1540
>
> Sorry, for nitpicking, but actually, Awake is 75:02, and the maximum for a CD is 75:41, so it's a LITTLE more
sorry, recent verification tells me that the limit for a CD is actually 75:14. I got the numbers mixed up. Hence the
sticker on the Awake CD, as well as the DT Interactive program, saying the maximum length of a CD is 75min... They're just
rounding. 14 seconds is no big deal, unless you're claiming that DT crammed every second of music they could into the
CD... Just wanted to clear ya (and myself) up...
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> From: "R. Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: digest 1540 -- CD lengths
>
> > Sorry, for nitpicking, but actually, Awake is 75:02, and the maximum for a
> > CD is 75:41, so it's a LITTLE more
>
> sorry for nitpicking, but actually, depending on your CD and CD player,
> all times are not equal.
[cd time story snipped]
Your CD player must be really crappy :)
> and I hope this is the last post we see
> concerning this decidedly dull and pointless topic.
Nope.
Later,
-That DMC Guy-
-- [New, improved, SHORTENED .sig, just for Gabbo ;) ]Daniel McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
"All the dead greenery, sacrificed for you and me I'm the one who cares for them - I'm a Carnatarian" - Chris Merlo (D-Man), Carnatarian, Polio Dog
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:54:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles D Harrison <cdh191@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> To: Dream Theater Listserve <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Misheard lyrics... Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605122017.A27133-0100000@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
While we are in the topic of misheard lyics, I thought I'd add my two cents. These two have been on my mind for a while and they are hard to shake so of course I had to share:
Wait for Sleep: "She's been trying to leak again, but the feeling is gone."
Achilles Last Stand: "Laugh so hard, you'll pee"
Enjoy! Charlie (The Ytse-Rook)
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 22:10:53 -0400 From: Bogie34@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What I've bought... Message-ID: <960512221051_292750110@emout19.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-05-12 15:08:53 EDT, you write:
<< I just bought Brave by ___________. You know who... <thanks Mark> >>
Well, I picked up Made Again by .... uh.... ya know. It's not bad at all! And, I got American Standard by Seven Mary Three today. I haven't had a chance to listen to the whole CD, but it's pretty good so far. So, Ben, would you recommend getting Crash by DMB? I almost bought it today...but I need more convincing.
Bogie
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 23:54:59 -0200 From: John Fewer <jfewer@voyager.newcomm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: All CANADIAN JAMMERS HO! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960513015459.0068922c@voyager.newcomm.net>
EH!(Actually we Newfoundlanders use (What are ya at!)) I'm trying to find out how many Jammers are actually from Canada. Skadz, can you give me any idea in numbers. Mariano Stalker (Lugie or Booger on IRC), i know of you , we talked briefly on the IRC jam. You,me and James LaBrie can't be the only Canadian connection to Dream Theater.
Skadz- With you mind if tried to get a hold of that new MUCHMUSIC HARD ROCK/METAL show (Loud, i think)to get them to publicize this and the othe DT Web sites!
Also, would anyone DUB the Live in Tokyo video for me?PLEASE ;-}
John-- A.K.A. johnfew on the Ystejam IRC chat Till next time-Take the Time! ->for yourself-life is short-death sucks. (P.S. this is my first post to the jam)
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:48:13 -0700 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: My First 8-Track Message-ID: <199605130248.TAA10015@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
>>Alright! Who's going to *really* date themselves and >>admit their first 8-track???
Mine was the Rolling Stones, I think.
Scott Cook
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:55:07 -0700 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: CD lengths Message-ID: <199605130255.TAA21212@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
>>As far as I understand, 75 is the limit because more than that causes the CD to skip a lot. That's what Nuno said at least...Extreme had to cut off a song from the III sides CD for that reason...<<
I have lots of CD's over 75 mins long, and none of them skip. Oh, and Ben, don't believe everything you read.
Scott Cook
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:31:17 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hey wow Message-ID: <199605130331.UAA04718@cats.ucsc.edu>
Boy have I been out of it. At least I'm caught up on my Jam's.
Bought my first Rush CD. I got Permanent Waves because it has Spirit of Radio and Freewill on it, probably my 2 favorite songs of those that I've heard. It's going into my alarm clock. Let's see if Spirit of Radio can wake me up in the morning. I hope so. :)
I originally went into the music store because they had gotten in my Moonspell CD. I listened to it, and while the music is good, the vocals really turned me off. Where are these guys from? The accent doesn't sound like your typical German Prog-Vocals. Anyhoo, I wouldn't recomment it for people who like melodic vocals.
I also listened to Saga's Generation 13, and found it a bit lacking in energy, so I got Savatage's Streets instead.
So, the final score is: Rush & Savatage bought, Saga & Moonspell left mehind.
And, in case you didn't hear me before, Enchant kicks about as much butt as one can and still be on the "rock" side of the Prog Rock vs Metal category. Get these guys if you enjoy the musically lighter side of things. Pop it into track 3 (Oasis) and sit back. No, they aren't in the the "so complex it'll make your head fall off" category, but they are superbly effective as songwriters and musicians. I think I actually prefer them over Shadow Gallery right now, even though I'm more of a metal-based progger.
__ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+ __\/__\/__ | ~Chris |-+ \_||_/ | For a boring homepage, web to: | | /__||__\ | http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ | | // \ | \\ +-------------------------------------+ | \| +-------------------------------------+
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:41:54 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh yeah Message-ID: <199605130341.UAA05472@cats.ucsc.edu>
And a Happy Mudder's day to any Mudders out there, and to the Mudders of all Jammers.
__ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+ __\/__\/__ | ~Chris |-+ \_||_/ | For a boring homepage, web to: | | /__||__\ | http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ | | // \ | \\ +-------------------------------------+ | \| +-------------------------------------+
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 23:04:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jason Becker's "Perspective" available Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605122223.A9365-0100000@vision.d.umn.edu>
Jammers,
Just in case any of you are interested. I jsut stumbled accross a new web site set up by/for Jason Becker.
The URL is : "http://www.guitarists.com/"
The new CD, "Perspective", as well as T-shirt, and video are available. Also for there are many "hidden" links on the album cover pic so search for them. I eventually broke down and went through the URL http://www.guitarists.com/jason.becker/objects/ so I made sure I did not miss anything.
Also Jason's email address is there so you can send him email.
later,
Nathan Bradley nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 21:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: cyclone@securenet.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: metallica Message-ID: <199605130435.VAA25001@mindcrime.ax.com>
Did anyone see the show "LOUD" on MuchMusic, where Lars and Kirk were the hosts? Kirk mentioned that he listens to PJ Harvey, and it showed with all the makeup he was wearing. what a sick sight!!! Also he sounded so dumb whenever he'd open his mouth. anyone agree? There should be 14 songs on their new album, probably 3 minute- alternative-bullshit (I hope I'm wrong) to go with their new-look.
Hopefully DT never turns out like metalica when they start to sell millions of albums-> (ha! ha! it's only a matter of time)
Elvis Batur
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 21:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Cahill <mithrandir@pb.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ethyl Mertz Message-ID: <199605130446.VAA25162@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hey Kids, First post from the new address. Went to see Ethyl Mertz with Mojo and several underage jammers on Friday night. It was not that great. While Derrick is most definetly cool, you could hardly hear his parts. Also the music that they played was not very Keyboard oriented. I think he had fun just jamming to some blues though, a break from the ultra technical DT stuff. The place was alittle rough I must say, but I did warn you though.
Afew posts ago someone commented on the fact that Van Halen was the only band to survive the loss of a singer, well here is a list of several other bands that have survived and thrived with New singers. 1) Iron Maiden, with Bruce Dickinson 2) Genesis, W/ Phil Collins 3) DT/ James Labrie 4) Fates Warning W/ Ray Alder 5) Marillion
These are just a few, I'm sure there are plenty more.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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