YTSEJAM Digest 1546
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/14/96 - 00:53:22" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1545
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
3) Steve Morse & Berndt. . .Paul, Bruce & Blaze. . .
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
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by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
5) CD Length
by Daniel McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
6) Wedding songs
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) Crimson Glory & Midnite
by Nathan Bradley~ <nbradley@sedona.intel.com>
8) Pat's Wedding
by Nathan Bradley~ <nbradley@sedona.intel.com>
9) The Speedy Guitar Thing
by buster <buster@ee.net>
10) TSM single & LATM
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
11) Re: Superior
by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
12) first concerts
by HowWee@aol.com
13) oh yeah
by HowWee@aol.com
14) sega game
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
15) Leppard, Picassos, Stage Motion
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
16) FINALLY! WDATU 500-1000 SHIPPING
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
17) weddings
by Neil.D.Evans@Dartmouth.EDU (Neil D. Evans)
18) NEW CD UPDATE
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
19) Iron Maiden and singers
by John Cahill <mithrandir@pb.net>
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:51:54 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/14/96 - 00:53:22" <response@ibmmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:53:05 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1545
Message-ID: <199605132353.QAA12788@cats.ucsc.edu>
>Moonspell, eh? They are one of my favorite bands. They are from Portugal.
>Whoever told you that they were German and had prog-style vocals was way
>off. The singer sounds more like somebody imitating Dracula than anything
>else. _Wolfheart_ is a cool concept album about werewolves if you can get
>past the vocals. They're not that bad. Just MHO...
No, no one told me that. I was wondering about the origins because they
definitely sounded European, and most of the European metal bands that I've
heard are German. :) And I certainly wasn't expecting Prog-Vocals, I just
think that they should have them, as prog vocals are the best vocal style. :)
I even thought that the lyrics were okay for myth-based, non-english
speakers, (well, Vampiria seemed a bit corny) it's just that the sound
really bugged me. Either they should sing in their native language (the
parts where they don't sing in english sounded okay to me) or they should
get some English vocal coaching, as the emphasis, pronunciation and
enunciation are completely off and really grating on my nerves.
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:04:46 PST
From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Steve Morse & Berndt. . .Paul, Bruce & Blaze. . .
Message-ID: <19960513.190449.7911.5.nishiki@juno.com>
Greetin's & Salutatin's,
The last Steve Morse Band album, I thought, was not quite up to
the par of his other solo stuff. I hope this new one is better! I've
also been waiting FOREVER to hear his material with Deep Purple.
Is Berndt (of "Superior") Berndt Steidl, by any chance? For
those who don't know, he's a guy who released an album(I think on
Shrapnel) that was lots of superfast Yngwie-style playing, all on an
ACOUSTIC guitar! Rather unique sound to it. Worth hearing if you're
into neo-classical.
I like all three Maiden singers (there was actually someone else
before Paul Di'Anno, but I forget the name), they all certainly brought
a different sound to the band though.
On that same thread. . .I have never been able to understand how
people like new Van Halen better than the David Lee Roth version.
Their new material does have more of a modern pop rock style to it, but
for me, the music is just far inferior to their older stuff. I think
Roth brought an incredible sense of FUN to the band which Hagar lacks;
they seem much more serious now, and that edge is gone. Maybe this is
because when Roth left, he was still a partyer and the other guys seemed
to have grown out of it. More power to 'em, but I still have more fun
with the old tunes.
Again, I ask (for some DT-related content :) ), does anyone know
what's up with Meanstreak? Did they ever put out anything other than
their original CD and the later 4-song demo tape?
Party on, gang!
DJKA
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:13:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199605140013.UAA29836@kirk.ici.net>
>Although our wedding date is not until June 1997, we've lined up a dj for
>the wedding reception. He is a friend of my fiancee. Since DT is my
>favorite band, I must have a DT song played at my wedding. The question
>is what is a suitable DT song for a wedding? I suggested ACOS but my
>fiancee said hell no to that one :)
I'm not getting married in the near future, but I know the DT song that
*I'm* going to have played at my wedding:
Eve
Pat Sullivan_________http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html________
"The wide corridor up the center of E Block was floored with linoleum the
color of tired old limes, and so what was called the Last Mile at other
prisons was called the Green Mile (here) at Cold Mountain"
____________Stephen King - "The Green Mile part 1 - The Two Dead Girls"____
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:37:20 -0300
From: Daniel McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: Valhalla <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CD Length
Message-ID: <3197D5C0.3E80@dreamt.org>
To add to the confusion, my music teacher says that you can fit up to 120 mins of music onto a CD. He
owns a studio, so he supposedly knows what he's talking about... Anyone know for sure?
Later,
-That DMC Guy-
--Daniel McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
"All the dead greenery, sacrificed for you and me I'm the one who cares for them - I'm a Carnatarian" - Chris Merlo (D-Man), Carnatarian, Polio Dog
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:39:39 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Wedding songs Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605132145.A21715-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Subject: DT at wedding/Fates shirts > > Although our wedding date is not until June 1997, we've lined up a dj for > the wedding reception. He is a friend of my fiancee. Since DT is my > favorite band, I must have a DT song played at my wedding. The question > is what is a suitable DT song for a wedding? I suggested ACOS but my > fiancee said hell no to that one :)
Hmm... How about "The Mirror/Lie"? No? Well, what about A Fortune in Lies? Caught in a Web? Erotomania? Light Fuse and Get Away? How about Bombay Vindaloo? :) :)
"Dig deep in the Mojo, bad luck runnin' through my veins" - Mr. Big :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:36:29 -0700 (MST) From: Nathan Bradley~ <nbradley@sedona.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Crimson Glory & Midnite Message-ID: <9605140236.AA11799@knicks.ch.intel.com.ch.intel.com>
Midnight has not done much musically since he left Crimson Glory. However I do know that he will possibly do a three song demo soon ( as of a few weekss ago he was still considering it). I will check up on this status later this week.
After the "Transendence" tour (which ended rather roughly) Ben Jackson and his brother in law Dana Burnell left and formed the band Parish. (Dana is no longer in Parish).
Crimson Glory took on Drumer Ravi Jakhotia and did not refill Ben's guitar position which was a big factor in their new sound on "Strange and Beautiful". ( Hey Mike, I am I going to get that tape back???)
After "Strange and Beautiful" MidNight left/was dismissed and the rest of the band formed "Crush" (beware there is another band other by this name too). The Crush is still alive and well.
As for the Crimson Glory's First CD (the self titled one) I just picked it up on CD two weeks ago. But I had been searching for it off and on for a few years. I think if you ask at an import shop they should be able to get it to you. Or if you (cng@tcco.com) we could probably work out a trade.
later,
Nathan I Bradley nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:44:51 -0700 (MST) From: Nathan Bradley~ <nbradley@sedona.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pat's Wedding Message-ID: <9605140244.AA11838@knicks.ch.intel.com.ch.intel.com>
Pat,
A song that I have always thought would be cool at a wedding is the last song on Marty Friedman's Scenes titled "Triumph".
As for a DT song tho be played, hmmm , Space Dye Vest would be cool, maybe Another Day, or possibly Silent Man, ... I got it EVE, that is it Eve!!!
Congrads Pat!!!
later
Nathan Bradley nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:01:33 -0400 From: buster <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Speedy Guitar Thing Message-ID: <3198059D.6064@ee.net>
I've been watchin a few of the posts about playing guitar fast vs. slow, and how some people look down on players that use speed a lot. One thing I haven't seen brought up in their defense is the CONTROL issue.
Being a guitar player myself, I have an opinion on the speed issue that I think is important. CONTROL!
If a guitarist is just blurting out scales with tons of speed and no phrasing, then I can see why someone would put them down for playing fast, but in a case like John Petrucci, he is not just playing fast. He is playing with total control even when he is playing his fastest. You don't have to play slow to evoke great feeling in your guitar playing. The "bursts of speed" in his solo's involve PHRASING. Guitar playing is like a spoken language to some of us, and JP has a wide vocabulary :)
Phrasing entails knowing which parts of the solo/scale to build slowly, and which parts to let fly, and at the right times. There is so much feeling in some of JP's fast soloing that I get chills when I listen to it...he's not just flying up and down the fretboard, rather, he builds up to those points of speed and let's it rip only with full control over both hands and all strings. He didn't just decide "ok, I'm gonna play really fast right here"...those parts are there because they FIT, they WORK, and they sound like they're meant to be there. Just like the punchline in a joke. To me, the notes that flow and accent during JP's fast parts are ALL feeling!
buster
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:15:37 From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TSM single & LATM Message-ID: <199605140411.AAA05539@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
i've noticed through both the jam and my time on IRC that some of the jammers have trouble getting DT imports at reasonable prices. well, i bought The Silent Man single and Live at the Marquee at the local record store here in eastern Iowa. if anyone's interested, they could purchase these through me for the same price i paid for them, plus shipping and handling. (i've already got my own copies).
i paid $9.99 for The Silent Man single, and $15.99 for Live at the Marquee. i'm not trying to make any money here, i just wanna do a fellow jammer a favor and hopefully save him/her some money. both cd's are still in the original packaging from the store with the prices and stickers still on them. and of course, they spelled it THEATRE. dorks.
here's the track listings for those who don't know:
The Silent Man 1. The Silent Man 2. Take The Time (demo version) 3. Eve (studio version/non album track)
Live at the Marquee 1. Metropolis 2. A Fortune in Lies 3. Bombay Vindaloo 4. Surrounded 5. Another Hand-The Killing Hand 5. Pull me Under
if you're interested, mail me privately and we'll work out the details. first come, first serve.
take care. Andrew
================================================== C O M E V I S I T M Y W E B P A G E!!!!!!!! http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage Andrew Miller - keyboardist - SubtleRage@gnn.com - SubtleRage (progressive rock) - Interum (new age/prog instrumental) ==================================================
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Date: 14 May 96 00:36:19 EDT From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Superior Message-ID: <960514043619_103362.445_JHL86-1@CompuServe.COM>
Jason-
Just got my disk today, and yes, I see the remnants of chocolate :-) Thanks for all of your hard work. Now for your next task: Let's see you arrange a U.S. Tour! :-p
Bernd-
You are very modest; the band is great, and I'm looking forward to a West Coast tour. If any of you Jammers are on the fence on purchasing this one, just do it!
DTC: Best Buy has the Silent Man (German) 3 song disk for $9 (they can order this stuff). This store has the best selection of imports I've ever seen (for a chain department store).
More Non DTC: O.K. Jammers, why not add the first concert thingy to the current thread (and in the process really date myself):
First Concert: KISS 1977, LA Forum (when they recorded Alive II) First CDs: Rush-Power Windows & Pink Floyd-Dark Side First LP: Alice Cooper-Welcome To My Nightmare
Hasta xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Albatross!" - John Cleese, Monty Python xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:47:45 -0400 From: HowWee@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: first concerts Message-ID: <960514004744_293692676@emout07.mail.aol.com>
jammers, flame away....my first AND second was the new kids on the block back in eighth grade. 8 years ago. first DT, june 9th, 1995 at the birch hill. later, yitzik
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:48:50 -0400 From: HowWee@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: oh yeah Message-ID: <960514004849_293693305@emout10.mail.aol.com>
most recent was the Philly Orchestra doing beethoven. Choral fantasy for choir, orch, piano, and the 9th symphony. EXCELLENT.
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:52:30 From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: sega game Message-ID: <199605140548.BAA00035@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
i feel like a dork for asking this, but i've went through a bunch of jams and just couldn't find......... the name of the new sega saturn game that JP does the music for.
would someone mind posting it again??
thanx. Andrew ================================================== C O M E V I S I T M Y W E B P A G E!!!!!!!! http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage Andrew Miller - keyboardist - SubtleRage@gnn.com - SubtleRage (progressive rock) - Interum (new age/prog instrumental) ==================================================
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Leppard, Picassos, Stage Motion Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960513230454.38979D-100000@homer09.u.washington.edu>
> From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> > Subject: Pointed meandering > > Fifth off, About Def Lep: Did they dump Elliot? > > I heard a new song through a bunch of static and the vocals just sound, > well, different......
Joe Elliot has a few different singing voices, like any vocalist. I heard "When Love & Hate Collide" and "Can't Keep Away From The Flame," two releases from "Vault," which I don't own, but noticed a huge difference in the vocals from the ones on Pyromania, Hysteria, and Adrenalize.
Anyway, what I heard was Joe using a singing voice that I don't think he's ever really gotten into much. Joe has a very deep voice if you've ever heard him speak, but his singing voices are 1) whispery sweetness, like the verses to "Stand Up, Kick Love Into Motion," real soft and quiet, 2) screaming wailer, rivals Sammy Hagar's yowling, heard on any high stuff he does, 3) deep gravelly stuff, like the verses to "Armageddon It." This third voice is what I heard on those two releases from Vault, but it sounded like Joe was suddenly ten years older. It's like he combined the natural low tones of his voice with his melodious higher range.
Yeah, it sounded good.
---- > From: SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU > Subject: adios > > I have to bid thee all farewell. I'm graduating, meaning it might be > awhile before I can have internet access again. Dunno if I'll be back. > I hope that those of you who need a life get one.
Aww, ain't that sweeeet? :)
---- > From: Pandaman <76262.3207@CompuServe.COM> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1531 > > The guitar was in Young GUitar Magazine (japan), 11/94, listed as one of > Petrucci's 6 guitars they photographed.... > 1. Picasso 1. > 2. Picasso 2. > 3. Black USA Custom > 4. 7-string prototype (modified UV) > 5. Stock Steve Vai UV > 6. That one.. the JEM with the flat monkeygrip and the majesty > symbol... "probably a backup-guitar"
What about Picasso #3 and #4? The red-white-blue, and the black-and-white?
---- > From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch (Devrim Akyuz) > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1523 > > In the case of DT, we all know that what CD material people like > is gonna be what they want to hear live. I insist on "hear", because > there's nothing to see with DT live. They might be my fave studio band, > but live, they suck. Last European tour, Fates Warning whipped their > asses on stage right, left and center. Sorry guys, but you have to be a > bit more interesting then what you've been so far (stick to those taped > down "X"s!).
Taped-down X's? Those are only used when the band is going to be filmed and the cameras are in fixed positions.
"Stand here if you want to be on film, like for that extended solo after To Live Forever that makes all the guitarists in the audience cry."
If you expect Portnoy to move around the stage behind a non-moving drumkit, stop. If you expect Sherinian to jump around the stage behind a non-moving keyboard rig, stop. If you expect wild antics from someone as reserved as Myung, stop. If you expect Petrucci to make funny faces or hop from side to side while playing guitar parts that most people can only do sitting down, stop. If you expect LaBrie to do theatrical gestures and match his facial expressions with the lyrics and strut around like a runway model...then you'll get what you want at every DT show.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:12:48 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FINALLY! WDATU 500-1000 SHIPPING Message-ID: <199605140612.XAA06585@bud.indirect.com>
At long last, the second shipment of WDATU 501-1000 are in my hands and already being packed to ship. The first 50 or so will go out tomorrow, to be followed the next few days by more.
THANKS to everyone who was patient for this. Take care! :)
MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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Date: 14 May 96 02:22:43 EDT From: Neil.D.Evans@Dartmouth.EDU (Neil D. Evans) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: weddings Message-ID: <29301401@dancer.Dartmouth.EDU>
--- Someone wrote: The question is what is a suitable DT song for a wedding? --- end of quoted material ---
Innocence Faded... ;-)..
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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:26:06 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NEW CD UPDATE Message-ID: <199605140626.XAA07709@bud.indirect.com>
It's finished, and available by request (and shortly also on Jeff Chew and Kevin Laferriere's pages, as soon as I get around to giving it to 'em.)
It includes the release info for the only CD I'll be doing while the collegians among us are away from the summer... Metallica "The Wrath of God". Precious Things has been delayed a month until September to allow for the people who are in school to get at it.
Also, it's t-minus 2.5 weeks for Scenes, and 4.5 weeks for Critical Mass, at this point.
Take care all!!
MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Cahill <mithrandir@pb.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Iron Maiden and singers Message-ID: <199605140710.AAA11436@mindcrime.ax.com>
Well there goes the Mojoman putting his foot in his mouth again!!! As some of you have pointed out, I was refering to Bruce Dickinson replacing Paul Dianno for "The Number of th Beast" Album. IM was popular before Bruce, but became huge when he joined, why you ask? Well Adrian Smith finally started writing material in full force. I love the first album and Killers, but TNOTB is awesome. I think that most IM fans will agree that after Adrian Smith left the band they went downhill. Steve Harris writes some great tunes, but Adrian wrote different types of songs to complement Harris, without that, I feel IM got a little stale. Hey Frank, what about one of your favourite bands of all time, Journey? Didn't they thrive after Steve Perry took over lead vocals? I disappointed that you missed that one. One other band that will surely shine with a new singer is The 1994 version of "Pawn Shop". Wouldn't you agree D-Man and Mojo? Not that I was trying, but I've gotten 2 EOJ's in my last three posts, unfortunatly from different addresses.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir(formerly Gandalf, but still the same person, just a different language)
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