YTSEJAM Digest 1549
Today's Topics:
1) Mothers' Day, Metallica single, stupid KSJO (NDTC)
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
2) Guess what's playing in Monterey...
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
3) I&W/JP video/firsts/guitarists
by Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
4) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/14/96 - 20:03:54" <response@ibmmail.com>
5) Brian Waves overcooking as I type.........
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
6) The nerve of some fucking people!!!!!!!
by "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net>
7) Baz and James LaBrie
by "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
8) Re: Babs in 1548
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
9) Michael Bolton
by jdecoste@students.wisc.edu (Jeff DeCoste)
10) To Canadian jammers
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
11) English, Mothers, Bass
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
12) Derek and Alice Cooper
by Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
13) The Other Victims - New Formula for Dropping a Line (NDTC)
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
14) One quick question
by augie@unix.asb.com (Heath)
15) Re: Superior CD
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
16) Singers and Success
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
17) Firsts?
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Tue, 14 May 96 11:37:07 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mothers' Day, Metallica single, stupid KSJO (NDTC)
Message-ID: <9605141837.AA03121@tengs1>
>From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1543
>>From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
>>Subject: Oh yeah
>>
>>And a Happy Mudder's day to any Mudders out there, and to the Mudders of all
>>Jammers.
>Well thank you. That was very thoughtful. I think that I'm the only mommy
>on the 'jam?????????????? Are there any closet moms out there?
I wonder what Ytse-Ben got Bafu for Mother's Day...
_________
And... why haven't we heard a new Metallica single on the radio
since the album comes out in less than a month? I still haven't
heard the new Scorp's single here in the Bay Area, though they
are playing it in the Central Valley. Radio here is so messed up.
Instead, we are threated to an hour+ deal on the new Soundgarden
CD (not bad, but I think it's overhyped).
Zach
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Date: Sun, 12 May 96 15:51:12 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guess what's playing in Monterey...
Message-ID: <9605122251.AA15104@tengs1>
_Heavy Metal_ at... the Dream Theater.
Just thought you all'd like to know :^)>
Zach
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I&W/JP video/firsts/guitarists
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605141114.D15956-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Okay...so I'm a late bloomer. I bought Awake during the fall of whatever
year that was ('94, I think) while waiting for Extreme's "Waiting for the
Punchline". At least that's how I remember it. Just YESTERDAY I bought
I&W--recommended to me by some jammer(s) as my next DT CD. Wow!!!!
Thanks. I think it was Heath who told me to go get it. Well...whoever
you were, Thanks a million!! I haven't had such a worthwhile CD purchase
in a long while! The last CDs that knocked me on my ass like that were
Awake and Waiting for the Punchline. Maybe the next paycheck I get will
fund ACoS. :)
Is it my disc or does the first track (or is it PMU, or is
PMU the first track, I don't know anymore. It's too new and too good an
album for my little brain to process! :) Maybe it's short term memory
loss. :) ) that just cuts out after 8 minutes and 11 seconds? Forgive me
if this is in a FAQ somewhere. I should have checked there first.
Sorry to waste bandwidth...
Yesterday was to be DT day. I was going to buy I&W and search for the JP
Instructional video. Umm...I seem to have misplaced the info on that. I
hope someone would be so kind as to remind me how I can get my hands on it.
Okay...I did the first vinyl, cassette, & CD...
First concert: Pink Floyd at Nassau Coliseum in August 1989.
It was an extra show added for filming a video,
which I believe ended up being "Delicate Sound of Thunder".
On to speed, feeling, lots of notes, etc.:
I agree with the idea that CONTROL is the most important mark of a good
guitarist. Speed is great, but you've got to be able to navigate the
fretboard and know what to do with the speed. JP has great control.
I can't really play very fast, because I'm admittedly too lazy.
When I do go faster I have a hard time slowing down into something
different or breaking out of that three-note-per-string scalar pattern that
got emblazoned in my head or whatever rhythmic pattern my right hand
has locked on to.
As far as another type of control is concerned. I also don't have the
facility to use triads, scalar patterns, chords, pentatonic patterns to
bulid a solo in a synergistic manner. I can't synthesize all of those
lessons very well. JP is one of a number of guitar players who have that
physical control as well as knowing where on the fretboard all the notes
are and when to use them. Others I'd throw in there are Steve Vai, Joe
Satriani, Nuno Bettencourt, Tuck Andress. I'm sure there are others...
Although I haven't listened to much of his work, I know Alex Skolnick is
one of those from some lessons he gave me before I quit, because I thought I
couldn't afford it anymore (not that he charges anymore than the next
guy--fair prices I just needed to pay off some bills). Maybe I'll go back
for a while. I'm sure I'll learn something valuable...Maybe I just have to
practice...
Notice no bad-mouthing here. It's all positive and IMHO. So I hope no
flames appear. It's been kind of hostile out here... :)
-R
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Robert Andrew Jurado
roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:02:26 EDT
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:19:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Brian Waves overcooking as I type.........
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960514151544.17474A-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>> Hello everyone, Babs again. I just had a brian-wave hit.
In case anyone was wondering about the title, ask BABS, it was her typo :=)
Sorry, another NDTC question (and I swear I won't waste another EoJ with
it) (EoJ #2 for me, btw :)
About Extreme's III Sides, someone mentioned a song cut due to CD limits?
I've got the cassette version, all 81 brilliant minutes.....what was left
off the CD??
Partha Mukhopadhyay
"Beware the more than mortal fool"---Alan Parsons Project "Children of
the Moon"
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:33:02 -0400
From: "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The nerve of some fucking people!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <199605141929.MAA18785@mindcrime.ax.com>
> From: John Cahill <mithrandir@pb.net>
> Well there goes the Mojoman putting his foot in his mouth again!!!
Fuck you, you piece of shit!
> As some of you have pointed out, I was refering to Bruce Dickinson
replacing
> Paul Dianno for "The Number of th Beast" Album.
If you read the fucking Jam, you will notice that...yes...I did claim
responsibility for that error......
> IM was popular before Bruce,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uuhhh....NO, John......get objective if you're going to argue with me...
> Hey Frank, what about one of your favourite bands of all time,
Journey?
> Didn't they thrive after Steve Perry took over lead vocals?
Yes...and Journey couldn't break out of being deep in the red before he
joined...
You fail to miss my fucking point....and I could care less at this
stage...You are digging John...and I'm getting kind of sick of the lets
'lets match and top every little thing that Mojo says' mentality coming
from you...
>I disappointed that you missed that one.
Do you mean to say "I was dissappointed..." ??? If so...I am disturbed
that you can not grasp a concept such as the one I was trying to
display....Journey was an underground rock/fusion group before Perry
joined, starving in CA.......Maiden was NOT well known before dickenson
joined.....
If You would open your ears...maybe you can get my point:
It is rare for a band to reach two different times of large success with
two different singers....now you can define 'large success'
differently....but If you call Iron Maiden before and after Dickenson,
'Large Success' ....well then John...you are fooling yourself....
>One other band that will surely shine with a new singer is The 1994
version of "Pawn Shop". >Wouldn't you agree D-Man and Mojo?
Whatever...
BTW, get it right....you WERE the drummer.... it was "pawnShxp"
> Not that I was trying, but I've gotten 2 EOJ's in my last three
posts,
> unfortunatly from different addresses.
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> End of YTSEJAM Digest 1546
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Does this mean you will go away?
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: Dream Theater Fans <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Baz and James LaBrie
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960514155621.78205A-100000@hal.toraix.can.ibm.com>
Someone in the last 'jam asked about the connection between James and
Skid Row's Sebastian Bach...I can only assume it is Toronto, Canada. Both
are from the area and were probably playing the same bars around here when
James was doing the Winter Rose thang and whatever Baz was doing at the
time.
Greg - another Canadian dude, now residing in Toronto.
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:54:52 -0400
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Babs in 1548
Message-ID: <0010200002701008000002*@MHS>
> From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1546
>
> Hello everyone, Babs again. I just had a brian-wave hit. What about
^^^^^
> Lifting Shadows off a Dream. Yeah, that one is quite nice. And it won't
> annoy the old peeps at the reception??????????????? Just a thought...
I know there are quite a few of us on the 'Jam, but I don't think we could make
a very good wave. I doubt we'd even fill an entire row of a section, much less
make it all the way around the stadium/arena. If enough of us Brians make it
to YtseCon III we might be able to get one going around a table, though.
Assuming we have tables at the Con.
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))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[Some assembly required]
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!"
- Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
Write me. If you dare!
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:35:18 -0500
From: jdecoste@students.wisc.edu (Jeff DeCoste)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Michael Bolton
Message-ID: <199605142035.PAA79210@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
>Remember - to an alien, Michael Bolton might look like a cool rock
>singer..... :)
>
Actually, he was a rock singer. That "cool" is left to personal preference.
Needless to say, his rock career bombed and he moved on to lighter things.
Jeff
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:18:50 -0600
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To Canadian jammers
Message-ID: <s198a2eb.043@IOMEGA.COM>
This is for Canadian jammers:
I was wondering what Kim Mitchell has been doing lately? He seems
to be outlawed by the U.S. as I can't find very little at all
available. I have some of his stuff but I'd like to get something
newer (Rockland is the last I have). If any of you have any info or a
way I can get some of his stuff I'd appreciate it. BTW I have the
feeling that somehow he is integrated with DT via shared producers or
something?
Later,
Wilmo
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: English, Mothers, Bass
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960514143524.85491B-100000@homer12.u.washington.edu>
> From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
> Subject: Canadian Jammers & LOUD
>
> > Skadz- With you mind if tried to get a hold of that new MUCHMUSIC HARD
> > ROCK/METAL show (Loud, i think)to get them to publicize this and the
> > othe DT Web sites!
>
> Ummmm, English, use it :)
I would have worded that slightly different. Anyone wanna guess how?
---- > From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1543 > > Well thank you. That was very thoughtful. I think that I'm the only > mommy on the 'jam?????????????? Are there any closet moms out there?Not unless you consider wardrobes to be children.
---- > From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid) > Subject: Iron Maiden and Pantera > > OK, Pantera-Is there actual singing on "Southern Trendkill"? I bought > "Far Beyond Hope" after hearing "Cemetery Gates" from the "Demon Knight" > soundtrack. I love the vocals on "Gates" because there is actually a > tone behind the words and the guy has a great voice, but "Far Beyond > Crap" bores the hell out of me. The growling vocals just sound > so...well..stupid.
There is singing on two tracks. One of them is a slow acoustic piece.
> If Philip sings on "Trendkill" I might buy it if he continues to growl > like a feral canine humping a cheese grater I think I'll leave the one > copy our music store bought lying there to rot.
Eloquent. :)
> Miller, Pattitucci, Myung, or Ellefson could all eat Rex for breakfast > and floss with Rex's G-String.
Hear that, Andy? Seth's pretty impressed with your ability!
IN WITH IT, OUT WITH IT. DRAG THE WATERS SOME MORE.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 14 May 96 16:00:00 PDT From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Derek and Alice Cooper Message-ID: <319910D3@mailgate.ameridata.com>
Out of an extended period of lurking for those of you who recognize my name. Briefly, it was just announced yesterday that Alice Cooper would be opening for the Scorpions at a concert here in Fresno, CA in the near future. Question: Does any Y'Jammer know if Derek will be touring with AC, or does he *strictly* have the DT's in the forseeable future
-Randall Braun, Rats live on no evil star. (read it backwards)
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:46:19 -0400 From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Other Victims - New Formula for Dropping a Line (NDTC) Message-ID: <9605142146.AA07082@pipe5>
Mr. Bo-zi queried: How's it feel to know everything? Bafu Vai ========================= It feels pretty good most of the time. Such a burden, though. 1. On the Other Hand (or Things I Don't Know) A. I really don't know why the Wings are playing like octopus innards these days. They will win tonight...(hopehopehope) B. I don't know why my disc changer stopped working Saturday afternoon. This sucks bad. C. I don't know why I never include DTC. 2. Firsts A. Concert: Dio - Sacred Heart Tour, second leg with Craig Goldie. Accept opened - boy did they suck. Dio was awesome. B Cd: Damn Yankees - S/T, Fates Warning- Awaken the Guardian, and Trouble - Run to the Light (all of the same day.) C. DT recording: When Dream and Day Unite in 1989. Good for me, I know. 3. T-Shirts and Newsgroups for Pat A. That quote was from No Exit. I am still waiting for mine. B. Alt.Fates is still on my server. ??? 4. New Music (or maybe not so new...) A. Blind Guardian - Forgotten Tales. Can't wait to listen to it. Broken CD player, though. B. Crimson Glory - CG. I got mine months ago through CDNOW. Fairly expensive and not as good as Transcendence or even Strange and Beautiful. 5. Waiting for King's X 6. EsOJ are now officially overrated. -- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO WINGS!!! 10 More wins and the Cup shall return.
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:06:08 -0500 From: augie@unix.asb.com (Heath) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: One quick question Message-ID: <v01510101adbec219dccc@[165.254.128.43]>
Does anyone know what type of keyboard that Kevin Moore used with DT and/or what he uses now?
Thanks!
Heath Augustover
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:08:59 -0700 From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Superior CD Message-ID: <199605142208.PAA13917@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
Wassup Jammers -
Just got the Superior CD and it does indeed kick gluteous max (to quote Geddy). Bernd - you RULE! Great sound you're getting, lotsa balls and crunch (and as we all know - that's where it's at!)
BUT!!??!?!?! - did anyone tell me I was getting a USED CD for my $19? I don't remember if they did, but this is definitely used! There was no shrink-wrap; the jewel case is scratched and smudged, the CD itself had lots of "crap" on it, and even the booklet had stuff on the pages (did I read something about chocolate???)
So far it hasn't skipped or anything, and the music sounds great, so I have no plans to return it, but I think I should have been advised that I was ordering a used CD? Anybody else get a used one?
"Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand . . ."
Larry
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:18:41 -0700 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Singers and Success Message-ID: <319922E1.7386@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
I'd just like to list some bands that excelled with new singers after already having some success.
Been Mentioned -------------- Iron Maiden Van Halen (Roth, Hagar) AC/DC Marillion (Dick, Hogarth) Genesis (Gabriel, Collins) Fates Warning (Arch, Alder)
Some new ones ------------- King Crimson (5 singers, Lake, Haskell, Burrell, Wetton, Belew) They acheived success on their 1 st album too Chicago (1st guy died, Cetera, Lamb) Anthrax (Belladonna, Bush)
Later,
Mike
------------------------------------------------------------------------Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Firsts? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960514152943.160011A-100000@homer20.u.washington.edu>
> From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM> > Subject: Re: Superior > > More Non DTC: O.K. Jammers, why not add the first concert thingy to the > current thread (and in the process really date myself): > > First Concert: KISS 1977, LA Forum (when they recorded Alive II) > First CDs: Rush-Power Windows & Pink Floyd-Dark Side > First LP: Alice Cooper-Welcome To My Nightmare
Aw, heck.
First Concert: Janet Jackson, 1990. First CDs: Nicolo Paganini, The 24 Caprices, played by Midori Dream Theater - When Dream And Day Unite First LP: Herbie Hancock - Megamix
First toothpaste: Aim, original blue mint. We! Make! Holes In Teeth! First badass toy: Teran. Anyone else remember this reptilian horror? :) First lunchbox: Scooby-Doo. Metal of course. Anyone own the KISS one? First game: Go Fish. We're talking fish-shaped cards, folks. All colors.
Too bad it wasn't Twister... Like it was only yesterday... Oh no! Someone help me! I'm going into a nostalgia fit!! AAAAAAAARRRRGRHHGHGHHHHH...
Spin the spinner, try not to get stuck, Twister can tie you up in a knot! One foot here and one foot there, Twister says what but you decide where! You reach! You stretch! You balance and twist! Try it once, you'll get the gist! No two twists come out the same, Twister is a Milton Bra-da-ley gaaaaame!
Twister. From Milton Bradley.
Aaaaaaah... I feel better now...
Bafu Vai
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