YTSEJAM Digest 1551
Today's Topics:
1) An Apology
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
2) Re: Firsts
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1549
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
4) Keyboardists & Sebastian Bach
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1549
by David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
6) SOS
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) CD length blah blah
by MATHEW.KOSHY@st.com
8) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/15/96 - 18:01:18" <response@ibmmail.com>
9) Dominici, Another Day, Elegy, jam-cleaning
by akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
10) Crimson Glory album
by akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
11) FW newsgroup and shirts
by akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1545
by akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
13) EoJ
by akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
14) Re: One quick question
by g.obiltschnig@jk.uni-linz.ac.at (Guenter Obiltschnig)
15) The Wizard Of Oz
by Kurremkarmerruk <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
16) Re: Missing Extreme Song ....
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 21:01:29 -0700
From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: An Apology
Message-ID: <199605150401.VAA01279@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
In Ytsejam 1549, I wrote:
>BUT!!??!?!?! - did anyone tell me I was getting a USED CD for my $19?
Ooooops! I owe Jason Skewes a public apology ( I already apologized in
private e-mail). In fact, Jason DID explain the "mess" in the CD
packaging, in a letter that I didn't see due to a combination of
exhaustion and excitement, and he in fact spent a lot of time cleaning
the CD's that had chocolate melted on them, due to no fault of his.
I was wrong, the CD's are NOT used, and if I had seen the letter, I
wouldn't have sent that post. (Please note, I didn't mention Jason's
name in that post, and actually I thought that the band itself probably
packaged and mailed the CD.)
About the CD - I only got to listen to it once, but I am very
impressed! Bernd is an awesome axeman, and the vocalist sounded great,
especially towards the end of the album. I was listening at work, so
couldn't pay attention as much as I would have liked to, but the whole
CD sounds top-notch. If you like DT, (and you do, cause you're on this
list), GET THIS CD!
Again, Jason, I'm sorry that I missed the letter and posted without
contacting you first (I did try, as I explained in e-mail.)
Tucking tail between legs,
Larry
(Well, OK, it wasn't a tail, and it felt pretty good, so I left it
there!)
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 21:15:29 -0700
From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Firsts
Message-ID: <199605150415.VAA21783@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>
OK, I'm gonna throw in my 1/200th of a sawbuck:
First Concert: 1969, "Blood, Sweat & Tears" with "Chase"
First LP: 1964, Beatles - the one with "Please, Please Me"
How 'bout some new ones?
First computer: Atari 400 w/ a whopping 16K RAM and membrane keyboard
First guitar: $33 Norma - 3 pickups, pressboard body - pure junk!
Matching amp also was $33!
First paying gig: My high school, of course!
Bafu wrote:
>
>Twister. From Milton Bradley.
>
D00d, you haven't lived until you've played Naked Co-ed Twister! Then
again, I haven't either . . .
Larry
DTC - "This is not Reality"
Remember this one - it's true . . .
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 21:38:53 -0700
From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1549
Message-ID: <199605150438.VAA28169@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
Mike Backof wrote:
>Chicago (1st guy died, Cetera, Lamb)
Well, to be a little more exact, Terry Kath (I think this is the "first
guy" you mentioned) was not THE lead singer, but one of three.
Chicago (then known as the Chicago Transit Authority) had Robert Lamm,
Peter Cetera (did any of you know that he played bass? - very well,
too), and Terry Kath all singing lead on different songs (probably the
ones they wrote). And of course they harmonized on most other songs,
along with Pankhow (sp?) and Lee (Loughnane(???), the trumpet player).
This was really an amazing band on the first few albums, but they went
downhill fast (IMHO).
BTW, does anybody know if Terry Kath REALLY killed himself playing
Russian Roulette? That was the story back then.
Larry
"Others steal your thoughts; they're not confined to your own mind"
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 00:14:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Keyboardists & Sebastian Bach
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960515001310.47499A-100000@homer19.u.washington.edu>
> From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
> Subject: zxdflgjlj
>
> Bafu on Replacing Keyboardists:
>
> While there can be a great many people who are _technical_ masters, and
> can play a piece note-for-note, you seem to be leaving out the element
> of style that transcends one's ability to play the notes as written.
Does no one read posts all the way to the end anymore? First Bernd points
out how silly it is to talk about speed being the key element in being a
guitarist. That was in my post. Read it.
Now Chris says I'm leaving out the element of style. The last part of my
post on this subject had words that resembled "No mind can replace your
mind." This basically meant that stylistically, everyone is individual and
no musician can "replace" another unless they're just supposed to fill in
on tour and play parts mechanically.
> So, please don't say that keyboardists are easily replaceable because
> there are a great number of technical masters out there. While I think
> Derek is a great person and fits well with the band, I think DT lost
> something when they lost Kevin (Somewhere during the I & W tour is when
> he was lost, really. He certainly was gone by the recording of Awake)
> that cannot be replaced.
Really, Chris? My only question now is what makes you think I disagree?
---- > From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid) > Subject: Joe Elliot & Skid Row > > The new Joe Elliot sound is actually the voice Elliot was born with > All of the old Def Lep albums were EXTREMELY overproduced. The reason > Joe sounds different is that he doesn't have like 1,345,955 tracks of > backing vocals of himself and other singers.Aha...
> Does anyone know what Sabastian Bach's connection with DT is? Has > DT ever toured with Skid Row?
Sebastian Bach is highly respected in the rock world for his vocal style and ability. I've heard he's also very outgoing and likes to meet other bands whenever possible. So it wouldn't surprise me if he were to show up next to James LaBrie, another incredible vocalist, joking about pronunciation like...
> "Give me somethin' that I fe-e-e-e-al, to be something that is > re-e-e-eal! :-)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 23:39:52 -0500 From: David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1549 Message-ID: <31996018.484A@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Bafu Vai wrote:
>First toothpaste: Aim, original blue mint. We! Make! Holes In Teeth!
I don't mean to sound like a picky asshole here but, it was Crest gel that had the cavity creeps saying "We make holes in teeth!" What a great series of commercials they were though.
First album: C.W. McCall- Convoy First CD: Queensryche- Operation: Mindcrime and Tora Tora- Surprise Attack
David
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 01:16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: SOS Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605150121.B4107-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net> > Subject: The nerve of some fucking people!!!!!!! > > Fuck you, you piece of shit!
Ding! Ding! Ding! Round 537 of our battle between MojoMan and MirthMobile has ended in yet another tie! The judges of tonight's main event have left the arena in sheer boredom. One was heard muttering something about "private e-mail." Another judge has been quoted as saying "What really gets me is that they'll be out at the bar Friday night sharing a laugh over it. I just don't get it."
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> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: English, Mothers, Bass > > > Ummmm, English, use it :) > > I would have worded that slightly different. Anyone wanna guess how?
I know! I know! :)
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> From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com> > Subject: Derek and Alice Cooper > > Question: Does any Y'Jammer know if Derek will be touring with AC, or does > he *strictly* have the DT's in the forseeable future
Doubt it. Seems to me that his job is DT's keysman, and anything else (like the Ethyl gig) is just for kicks with a few buds. No one tours with Alice for kicks, without also getting paid handsomely. (Well, I would, but... oh, you get the point.)
> -Randall Braun, Rats live on no evil star. (read it backwards)
I gotcha up to the Nuarb Lladnar part.
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> From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> > Subject: Singers and Success > > Hello Jammers, > > I'd just like to list some bands that excelled with new singers after > already having some success. > > Some new ones > ------------- > Anthrax (Belladonna, Bush)
I'd have to disagree here. While they still kick ass, I think the initial point was that most other bands have gone from arenas to clubs with their new singers. This is most definitely the case here. The last Joey tour was an arena tour. I doubt John has seen the inside of an arena, except at hoop games.
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> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Firsts? > > Spin the spinner, try not to get stuck, > Twister can tie you up in a knot! > One foot here and one foot there, > Twister says what but you decide where!
What rolls down stairs, alone or in pairs, Rolls over your neighbor's dog? It fits on your back, it's great for a snack - It's Log, Log, Log!
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Wed, 15 May 96 18:07:36 +0730 From: MATHEW.KOSHY@st.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD length blah blah Message-ID: <H00001630122f810@MHS>
Some enlightment from the rec.audio FAQ on CD lengths.
10.33 How much music can you possibly cram into a CD? The longest seen so far (reported by Stuart Kahler) is a MiC bootleg of Depeche Mode "Evolution", at 81:09. Next are | 'No Quarter' by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant at 79:38, an | MCA reissue of Steely Dan: Greatest Hits at 79:17 and a Musical Heritage recording of Bach: Goldberg Variations at 79:02. Modern CDs are pressed using tighter track spacing than the first CDs, because modern equipment is capable of holding tighter tolerance than the original machines.
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 12:59:54 EDT From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/15/96 - 18:01:18" <response@ibmmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: <199605151659.JAA08428@mindcrime.ax.com>
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:07:26 +0100 From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dominici, Another Day, Elegy, jam-cleaning Message-ID: <adbf4ccf000210047919@[128.178.99.18]>
Talking about bands having survived a change of singer, I -thankfully- survived Dominici (Mojo was a bit hard in calling him crap, imo). When I first listened to DT, there was I&W and WDADU in the shop and I went for WDADU. "Afterlife" made me buy this one because at that time I was more into the heavier shit. I could've dropped DT (Mojo'll think I should've anyway, eh?) then, but "Wait for Sleep" glued me I guess forever to them now. Another beautiful song from I&W was Another Day. A pity it didn't get what it deserved as a single either on radio or MTV (beautiful clip, too). Sometimes you wonder where all this comes down to (balls & chunk?)...
Has anyone heard of a band called Elegy? In the case, could you briefly info me?
P.S.: My screen is full of jam; I'm really having a hard time cleaning it up, but its fun.
::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dave King :::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:01:00 +0100 From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Crimson Glory album Message-ID: <adbf5a1b0002100498bd@[128.178.99.18]>
>Date: Mon, 13 May 96 9:41:30 EDT >From: cng@tcco.com >To: <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Crimson Glory >Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+6inZlA@tcx.tcco.com> > >Does anyone know if the first Crimson Glory album is available on CD? I taped >it off a radio show years ago and sound has pretty much died on my cassette. >If anyone has any info on how I can get it or wants to trade (I have almost >1000 CDs now...), please let me know. > >Thanks
I spent quite a while in Switzerland looking for "Crimson Glory". The shops I talked to couldn't order it from anywhere (not even Japan; maybe France). I only found it when I spent a few days in London, in a CD megastore. It didn't seem to be a repress, but the original press. If you're really dying for it, I can send you a copy on cassette, but I'd suggest you hook on to the CG mail (I don't know the address: if anyone knows, I'd appreciate, too).
By the way, I'd like to desperately get hold of the "Lonely" CD single and others, if exist. I just love that "Dream Dancer" song. Its my CG fave!
Please answer,
::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dave King :::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:06:14 +0100 From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FW newsgroup and shirts Message-ID: <adbf5c5d010210042092@[128.178.99.18]>
Pat:
could you please quote the quote? then I can tell you which song...
obviously I don't have the shirt. In fact, how could I get hold of FW merchandising?
what is "alt.music.fates-warning"? is it a IRC or mailing list? Are there any official e-mail FW lists?
Thanks in advance...
::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dave King :::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:15:21 +0100 From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1545 Message-ID: <adbf5e31020210048e8c@[128.178.99.18]>
John Estok wrote: > Talk about frustrating. I am itching to get my hands on Live in >Tokyo. I have been searching for it for quite a while now with no luck. >Then I ordered it from the Blockbuster Video catalog. Today I got a call >from this bitch (bless her heart) who said: > > I'm sorry, our company no longer carries this cassette. Have a nice >day! > > Fuck you!! > > On a lighter note, I finally got "the great southern trendkill" >This should avert my anger.
Sorry about cluttering the jam all the time but Hey! is it so fucking difficult to get Tokyo I&W in the USA? I could get it here in Switzerland w/o any problem, but its not NTSC, ya see? Its PAL, pal. So...
That's a pisser, these video systems.
Good luck, anyway
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:25:15 +0100 From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: EoJ Message-ID: <adbf7ce902021004c5e5@[128.178.99.18]>
O.K. I know I'm gonna get flamed for being this thick but I just don't get it:
what does getting and End of Jam mean? what's its point? why is it so important?
I know someone out there can answer me, so please tolerate my stupid question and answer me.
::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dave King Powder Technology Laboratory Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lausanne-Switzerland :::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:03:30 +0200 From: g.obiltschnig@jk.uni-linz.ac.at (Guenter Obiltschnig) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: One quick question Message-ID: <v01540b00adbf38b79bfd@[193.171.32.221]>
>Does anyone know what type of keyboard that Kevin Moore used with DT and/or >what he uses now? > >Thanks! > >Heath Augustover
In the IaW tour, he played a Roland JD-800, a Korg DW-8000 and a Korg DSS-1. For the recording of IaW, I think he used a Roland D-50, too (at least another Roland, as you can see in the LiT video). And for Awake, he added a Korg 01/W to his setup (the distorted organ sounds). Don't know what he uses now.
Guenter
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 00:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Kurremkarmerruk <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Wizard Of Oz Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960515002216.27262A-100000@elwha.evergreen.edu>
> From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) > Subject: Asbestos am I !!!!! > > You guys can flame until your hearts are content. I am asbestos and > the flames do not bother me at all. You'll also notice that I do not > flame anyone on the jam, You ask why? I guess it just has to do with the > fact that I can accept the fact that people have different viewpoints > then me. I may not agree with someone on something, but that does not > mean that I have to kill there family. To be quite honest I don't care > if you guys flame, it just goes to show you that most of the flaming > individuals are a bunch of immature baboons. Some of you think this is a > contest? " Oh man I know more than you, no you don't , I do" Who cares? > I know that I don't have trouble sleeping at night worrying who's going > to flame me next. If Mike really is interested in subscribing, I hope he > does it with a grain of salt. Dream Theater is supposed to be the reason > we are all here, and I think we can all agree that they are a really > cool band. Let's just realize that some of us are going to have > different opinions about music.
Gee, I wonder what's behind this curtain...
Hey Gandalf, I was thinking about flying to Oz in my balloon, but I can't quite fill this thing with enough hot air to get off the ground. Think you can help?
If all else fails I guess I could just tie the basket to your feet and have you hold your breath for a little while while the steam builds. And if you start to run out of steam, just think...there are things you don't know. That'll get us up and running again.
> You'll all notice that several jammers have disagreed with me about > QR's SSM, that's fine. My personal listening experience has been enough > proof for me, plus when Geoff Tate said that he sang the parts, that > kind of clinched it for me.
Then why is it so hard for you to convince yourself that you don't need to argue with such imbeciles? Save your breath. It'll be easier on all of us.
> Listen to Live crime and you'll notice that "her" voice is the same as > on the album, while Geoff's has that Live sound, why you ask? It was lip > synched! If you don't agree, fine. > > Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf (Get it right)
Whoah. Can you also speak Klingon? What about Bacchi?
Kurremkarmerruk
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:03:53 -0600 (MDT) From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Missing Extreme Song .... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960515100329.22494A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
On Tue, 14 May 1996, Ryan P. Skadberg wrote:
> Don't Leave Me Alone. > > Its on the Tragic Comic single. I heard a friend do it at a show > and was really confused for a while because he said it was on ]I[ > Sides and it wasn't :) > It's on the cassette, but not the CD :) ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> Adam R. Bertapelle "Scuse me...while I kiss this guy!" bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu Jimi Hendrix Ask for my bootleg list! Purple Haze <-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<
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