YTSEJAM Digest 1565
Today's Topics:
1) Those bastards on a.m.r.
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/20/96 - 20:50:59" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Miasma of Puppets
by Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@CompuServe.COM>
4) Tori/4fans/boo-hoo
by Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
5) Singing and your Vision
by "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net>
6) DT Items For Sale
by JamesArin@aol.com
7) Re: Red Wings in Seven?/Soundgarden
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
8) Gene H.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
9) KP and more Metallica ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
10) Numerous Better Than Homemade "Kozy Shack" items. (NDTC)
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1561
by John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
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Date: Mon, 20 May 96 12:36:16 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Those bastards on a.m.r.
Message-ID: <9605201936.AA16235@tengs1>
Idiots.
In the past, we've been successful in defending DT against
the infidels. Now that "Mindcrimer" is on the scene, that's
changing. I think I'll just stay out of it unless someone
says something really inane. Kasia is a fool, anyway.
Oh well, let them live their little illusions...
Zach
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:49:29 EDT
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Date: 20 May 96 16:23:14 EDT
From: Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@CompuServe.COM>
To: dt <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Miasma of Puppets
Message-ID: <960520202313_102346.2730_HHQ34-3@CompuServe.COM>
>On the Metallica subject.....I won't say anything until I hear the new music.
That's all I'm asking of the other 'Jammers. I don't expect or want everyone to
like it, but at least listen to the entire album first, with an open mind.
Then,
criticize all you want.
> My reference to them cutting their hair is in reference to my feeling
>that they cut their hair to 'jump on the bandwagon' so -to-speak....
> I find that many bands nowadays are forced to cut their hair to remain
>viable...because if you have long hair, your considered non-alternative,
>non-grunge, or worse yet.....retro...
> Im not concerning myself with style having anything to do with music...I
>am only pointing out that it was a very bad time for those guys to shed
>the locks if they didn't want to be viewed as trendy...
Hetfield was recently quoted as saying, "We don't give a f--- what other people
think". I don't think Metallica cares about the critics. Take a look at the
program
for the "Wherever I May Roam" tour, and you'll see what I mean. Also, Newsted
shaved his head at least 2 years ago, so I wouldn't consider him 'jumping on the
bandwagon'. I still can't get over that.
> Wow man....I think you have to listen to what is Comercial Music...and
>not Adult Contemporary.... I couldn't turn on MTV 2 years ago without
>seeing Metallica....and Ill bet it will be the same for Load...
Define "commercial music". All music is commerical. If you buy an album in a
record store, you're paying for the cost of production, lawyers, accountants,
the
record label, etc. I turn on MTV now, and I see bad game shows, cartoons, and
a lot of hip-hop videos. If you define "commercial music" as what's 'on the
charts',
that would be Hootie, Alanis, Bush, and even Rage Against The Machine. Why
RATM? Because the album debuted on the Billboard Top Ten that week.
>> You also forgot "IMO".
>
> No, I did not....
I still think you did :)
>> I hope none of the quoted 'Jammers think I'm flaming them: I'm not.
>
> Geez......fooled me...
Sorry. Thank you for replying in a civilized manner, Mojo.
>>I don't think DT would ever mind winning a Grammy.
>
>Unless they had to change the way they make music to do it.
What if DT wanted to change the way they make music?
>From: "Chase L. Eschauzier" <clesc@conncoll.edu>
>Cc: rdesc@conncoll.edu, dwyac@conncoll.edu
>Subject: "IMO/IMHO/IMVHO"
>
>This is not going to be the average complaining post. I could care less
>what people write about...I'll start reading them more closely when
>something interesting is going on.
>
>On another topic....
>Settle down Gilbert!!
Don't tell me to settle down. At least get my name right, it's Jack, dammit.
>All this "IMO" stuff has got to stop! If you are the one writing it, of course
it is
>your opinion. I learned that in Junior High English. Writing IMO, IMHO, or
IMVHO
>after everything we say is redundant and simply states the obvious. It is also
>annoying to have those letters follow everything we write. Let's try not doing
it and
>see what happens---I'll bet everyone still expresses their opinion, just
without
>telling us that they are expressing it.
Well, "chase", if you'd actually read some of the 'Jams instead of deleting
them,
you'd know that many a flame war could have been averted had people stated that
they were expressing their opinions on piccolo snares, triggered drums,
producers,
'what is a musician', playing live, JP/DT is/are god(s), etc. I once made a
comment
about a band that I disliked. I was promptly flamed for it. The situation was
resolved
before things got ugly. All of which could have been avoided with the use of an
"IMO". If you don't like my posts, tough. Delete them. I'm not going to
change for
you or anyone else. Carbon copy that where the sun doesn't shine. Of course,
all
of this is _in my opinion_.
"Ear Candy" tomorrow,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:31:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tori/4fans/boo-hoo
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605201224.B24228-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Hi jammers:
Thanks for all the responses to my "What is it with jammers and Tori"
question. I'm going to go to Hear Music to listen to some Tori and perhaps
purchase the CD. I may end up just getting LatM since it's my B'day, and I
haven't bought myself a present yet.
I'm inclined to agree with the 4 types of DT fans theory. I'm not so
sure that the categories aren't oversimplifications, but I think there is
some definite truth to them. IMO, the jammers that seem to fit most
cleanly in the mentioned categories are the metal fans and the prog fans
(What was that I said about oversimplification??? :) Sorry to
pigeonhole people. It's just that I noticed the metal fans and the prog
heads first). I'm really neither. I respect a lot of those bands
(i.e., 'Ryche, Yes, Metallica, Rush), but I'm not really into them, but
I do want to pick up Mindcrime (not before LatM, though). I guess
I'm in the musician/likes-music-whatever-genre "half" of the DT fan base. I
mean I'll listen to Sting, Chante Moore (R&B vocalist), Metallica,
Soundgarden, DT, Extreme, Ani DiFranco, Michael Hedges, Tuck & Patti, RH
Chili Peppers, Steely Dan, Vai & Satch, Van Halen/Hagar, Tribe Called
Quest, whatever.
I'm bummed that Derek said that DT won't have another album out until
1997. :( The same thing happened to me with Extreme when "Punchline..."
was pushed from late '94 to early '95. The good thing is that I found DT
in that time. Maybe I'll find a new band while waiting for the next DT. :)
..............Rob's predicted dialogue with a jammer...............
Rob: Hey...anyone know if Mike Bahr has any more WDATUs?
Some jammer: Rob, you idiot!! Ask him yourself!!
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Robert Andrew Jurado
roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu
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"ga-ga-ga-ga-ga-GUNK-ga-ka-ga-KOW-ga-KOW..."
-John Petrucci in Metropolis Part I
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:11:29 -0400
From: "MojoMan" <Mojonet@PB.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Singing and your Vision
Message-ID: <199605202115.OAA24887@mindcrime.ax.com>
> (so we can talk about anything other than Metallica)
AMEN !!!!!!!!
> Are singers musicians?
Yup!!!!!
> and Are Death Metal singers musicians?
Depends on the singing...if you're not singing, but screaming a monotone
anger phrase....no!!! I don't think thats singing.....beacuse there is no
melody in it....
Same with RAP singing.....I wouldn't call rap, singing...There is no
melody in the singing....
So I get really offended when I see Rap 'musicians' claim they are
musicians!!
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On a totally different thread, my original band, Vision, has been
selected for the Long Island Music Festival....and we will be competing in
June....I will post more when I know where we are going to be...etc....
I Hope to see the Long Island YtseJammers out there in full force...
M O J O N E E D S S O M E C O F F E E R I G H T N O W!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:18:00 -0400
From: JamesArin@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com, metropolis@arastar.com, BReality@aol.com,
Subject: DT Items For Sale
Message-ID: <960520171743_494981383@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Hello All,
These items are still available so e-mail me if you are interested in
any of them.
See Ya,
Jim
1) AWAKE w/EVE mini disc from JAPAN ($30)
2) AWAKE from JAPAN without EVE mini disc ($15)
5) LIE UK single (with TLF, SDV & AD) ($13)
6) Silent Man (3 tracks) ($13)
7) Silent Man (1 track) single US promo ($7)
8) I & W LP from France ($20)
10) 12" single of LIE sealed with British fan club mag inside ($20)
12) '93 USA tour pass with pic of full band in color ($15)
13) '92 JAPAN tour pass with burning heart & girl pic (red/black) ($13)
14) '93 JAPAN tour pass with burning heart (red) ($13)
15) I & W Access Satin sticker passes ($8)
17) German Awake ($15)
18) US radio promo of Awake (full color) ($15)
19) I & W Japan ($15)
I need to see if there is enough interest in this one before I order
them.
? 23} Awake promo guitar pick w/ DT logo ($8)
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:31:01 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Red Wings in Seven?/Soundgarden
Message-ID: <199605202131.OAA14115@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>
>>Thanks. Oh yeah, Red Wings in seven!<<
Not if Paul Coffey has anything to say about that :-)
I hope I'm wrong, but I think the Red Wings suffer from the "always
a bridesmaid, never a bride" syndrome. They can't seem to win the big
ones. They remind me of the California Angels. In 95 They played their
asses off all season then decide to choke the last month of the season
and end up watching the post season at home.
I'm listening to the new Soundgarden at the moment. This is about
the fifth time since I got it Tuesday. Every time I listen to it it
keeps getting better and better! I strongly recommend this LP. It's
similar in it's sound to superunknown but IMO is much better. The
reviewer in Entertainment Weekly who said that Soundgarden shouldn't
produce themselves is full of shit. They did a better job than the last
guy did.
That's it from here. Till next time.
Scott Cook (Grinder on irc)
"In L.A. this summer they're going to have a million Woman march.
Hey Ladies, while you're up, can you get me a beer?"
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:37:38 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gene H.
Message-ID: <199605202137.OAA24661@maple.enet.net>
>And if you really pay attention you can heard incredible ride cymbal work.
Is he a freak with two right arms or what? Well, hella cool CD man! See ya.
Mr. Hoglan has two ride cymbals. One on each side. Takes care of that
awkward reaching problem, but adds to the expense problem. ;-) BTW....I
have heard that he left Death and is now drumming for Slayer. Is this true
or is the source a dumbass?
>I still dig the old stuff,
>but I think they have sold out for the masses rather than remain true to
>their roots ( IMO). I hope for my sake they can regain some of that fire
>which drew me to them.
Why do we assume that the music changed for popularity reasons? Maybe they
just had a change of taste. Although, it would kick big time if they got
harder/faster/better. :-)
>I know that Lars broke 5 snare drum heads during the recording of Battery
>alone, that's energy!
Maybe he just got pissed off and stabbed it like he did during The
Unforgiven in that video. :-)
> Mr. Cool. While I feel you have some valuable knowledge on the drums, I
>disagree with you about Mark Zonder. He appeared as the second feature
>article in Modern Drummer back in 1994, the one with Tony Williams on the
>cover. He certainly seemed to indicate that he could play with Mike's
>intensity. One of his former bands was a band called Warlord, which he
>described as a lot of screeming vocals, and lightning double kicks. If you
>would like, Ben e-mail me directly and I'll send you the article. Also, when
>I saw Fates live, he was playing like a man possesed.
>
My bad, homey G-Funk. :-) I shouldn't have said anything...I haven't heard
near enough Zonder/Fates to make that assumption...but, on the albums I
have, he stays rather calm (in that super-hard-piss-me-off-cuz-he's-good way).
>DT content....
>Just out of curiosity, anybody know how much a Mike P. drumhead with all the
>band members autographs would be worth?
HA! That's not worth CRAP! Here....send it to me and I'll get rid of that
piece of junk for you. <evil grin>
>Is there a similar aesthetic sensibility surrounding both the music and the
>album cover art? In other words, do you think they complement each other?
> IMHO, Awake has a "blue/green/grey feel to it..." whatever that means...
>
The color of the album cover usually dictates what color I see the music as.
If the cover were a different color, though, I don't know if I'd still see
it as black/blue/grey.
>Lyrics like these make me ashamed to be Dutch, really they do. But it's all
>for a good cause (i.e. me winning this competition :-) ).
What competition? Did I miss something? TELL ME, DAMMIT!
>The new Metallica image is revolting, by the way. Kirk has this huge
>piercing through his lower lip and black varnish on his fingernails. They're
>starting to look like the Cure, damn it! The new album had better be a
>corker.
His hair looks reminiscent of a clown, except not pink.
Toodles.
I say my hell is this closet I'm stuck inside.
Can't see the light.
And my heaven is a nice house in the sky.
Got central heating and I'm all right...
Big "Little Feet" Ben "Little Hands" Laussade
Little baybay!
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KP and more Metallica ....
Message-ID: <199605202151.RAA00827@wicked.stigmata.org>
That Elen sila lumenn omentilmo guy wrote:
> The four phases of DT fans. Wedge you forgot the first reason for being
> a DT fan: If you grew up in K.P. You were forced to listen to DT or they did
> not let you live in the town!!!! Laughs!!! Skadz will agree.
I have to agree with him actually. I originally got in to DT ( well,
bought WDADU) because my Mom said, my friend Mr. Petrucci's son just
released a tape.
Once I&W came out, everyone knew them :)
As for Metallica......
I have to agree with Paul on the concert thing. They definately
put on a good show, even with the new softer stuff. I just hope
that the Metallica crunch is back in at least some of the songs on
the new album. The new song has some of the crunch in it, but is just
way too held back. It just doesn't stand out like it did in the past.
Well, enough from me
Skadz
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:06:14 GMT From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Numerous Better Than Homemade "Kozy Shack" items. (NDTC) Message-ID: <199605202206.WAA18551@pipe17.h1.usa.pipeline.com>
Ok. Here we go. Opinions on various subjects discussed recently. 1. Hockey and Metallica versus DTC Please. The one reason many people subscribe to this list is because of the musical and ideological richness it lends. The other list (that we never get - Metropolis) is for the impartment of hard "news" and "information." If you don't like the spectrum of this list - hit the road. You are, however, more than welcome to disagree. 2. Metallica I heard one of the songs on the DSS metal station and it took me a few minutes to realize it was them. No real opinion, but one could catagorize me as a "pre-Black album Metallica fan." Let's hope this harkens back to the AJFA days, but I am not holding my breath (or any other part of my anatomy) for that. 3. Long Hair Hmm. I used to have long hair about six years ago. (Has it been that long?) It took about three years to get used to not having it, and now I wouldn't go back. I know you care. 4. Explicit Lyrics Didn't they once sticker a Frank Zappa album which was an instrumental recording? Explicit lyrics indeed. 5. Drive (The Group, Not the Verb nor the Noun) I have both of their releases and the better of the two is entitled "Diablero." Unfortuately, the first one "Characters in Time" is more easily available in your local cheap bin. Hold out for "Diablero." Something about them is sort of cheesy, though... 6. My Dying Bride Seth Hatelid wrote about this band. I have a bone to pick with him, but that comes later. I agree with his assessment that the singer sucks. The music is ok. I need to listen to this more. 7. Blind Guardian I finally got to listen to my new disc. Wow. They do covers of Mr. Sandman, Surfin' USA, and more. This is a very cool band, and I can't believe - repeat - CAN NOT believe that these guys are not released domestically (USA). If you like Gamma Ray or Helloween, or Judas Priest or...these guys are probably better. 8. My Bone with Seth (To Pick, Wise-Asses) He wrote: >DEATH: Symbolic-after all the hype about this disk I expected something to
>cure cancer and premature ejaculation in donkeys-sadly I was VERY >dissapointed in this piece of crap. Chucks voice is almost as annoying as
>Blitz's (Overkill) and his phrasing is bloody 'orrible! I'm just not sure
>what makes this disk any different than 1,000's of other death metal bands. >It just seems so trite and standared. I'm really not a fan of Death >metal-I like creative death metal like Sepultura, Korn, Fear Factory. I >really hate Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, and other crap that is just noise. >The musicianship on this disk is pretty good but the songwriting blows and
>the lyrics are sub-standard. Last Death disk I'll shell out $15 for. WHAT???? I realize you do point out that you are not really a fan of so-called "Death Metal," but to label Death's lyrics "standared" (sic) and "trite" just blows my mind. They don't sing about Satan and body parts and revolution and rain forests, etc. The lyrics are quite original for the genre. The musicianship is what sets it apart from "1,000's of other death metal bands." No one in this heavy a genre makes this complex a record. Like someone said, just listen to the drums alone, and you should stand in awe. To compare Death (modern-day Death, I must add, because they did use to suck circa "Scream Bloodly Gore") with such bands as CC, Sepultura, Korn, FF, Deicide, etc. does Death a grave (no pun intended) disservice. However, you are entitled to your opinion. It just so happens I disagree. 9. More Hockey-Related Material Follows in the .sig. Too bad! -- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO WINGS!!! Shot down the Jets. Outlasted the Blues. Fly over the Avalanche!! (or as we like to call them: Nordalanche) 8 down, 8 to go.
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1561 Message-ID: <199605202220.SAA05166@darius.cris.com>
>Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 01:45:26 -0400 (EDT) >From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> >To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Why Metallica? >Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605190129.A24211-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu> > >The question was raised recently why there is so much sudden discussion >of Metallica. I have a possible solution. > >As I see it, there are four types of Dream Theater fans, and they can be >categorized generally into one of the following four groups. First, >there is the type of fan who got into DT because they're heavy - the >Balls and Chunkers. These fans generally cite Metallica, Anthrax, >Slayer, Pantera, etc. in their list of favorite bands. The second group >of fans was first attracted to DT because of their technical abilities. >These fans speak endlessly about Rush, Yes, Ryche, and others. The third >group is composed of fans who are a combination of the first two groups. >(I include myself here - big fan of Rush and Anthrax.) The fourth group >are people like one of my neighbors, who happened to hear "Silent Man" or >"Another Day" soemtime, fell in love with it, and eventually let her >neighbor play The Mirror/Lie after TSM. :) These people generally like >Mariah Carey and other such nonthreatening pop. > >Of course, I could be totally off base with that. > Well, I agree with you more than that you said that we are all geeks! But off base, hmmm? I think you're third group is too close to the first and the second. I would found myself in the third but it is too limiting. I don't knew maybe I'm just a freak.
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