YTSEJAM Digest 1568
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/21/96 - 16:10:32" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Problem with I&W CD...
by miguel@netup.cl (Miguel Farah)
3) re: king crimson
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
4) stuff
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
5) JPM100
by Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
6) fan club and stuff
by "Brian Anderson" <anderson@frontiernet.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1567
by matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com>
8) computers piss me off
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
9) musicians...
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
10) YTSEJAM digest 1564
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1560
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
12) MYTSE-CON T-SHIRTS
by Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu>
13) YTSEJAM digest 1566
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
14) YTSEJAM digest 1564
by UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC)
15) Metallica and Hair
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
16) Ugh.
by Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
17) Let's not start this again.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:16:29 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/21/96 - 16:10:32" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199605211516.IAA11068@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 15:08:53 GMT on 21 May 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL.
Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:20:48 -0400 (-0400)
From: miguel@netup.cl (Miguel Farah)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Problem with I&W CD...
Message-ID: <m0uLuAz-000oRNC@howard.netup.cl>
Hi. I have purchased the I&W CD, and have this little thing that bothers
me: the first track (_Pull Me Under_) ends too abruptly, as if the last
10 seconds or so of the track were missing. Is this due to a defective
CD (so only my copy is wrong), a defect in factory (so every copy is
wrong) or is it intentional?
Also: not counting bootlegs and singles (which I'm not interested in), I
know DT has released WDADU, I&W, Awake, and ACOS. Am I missing anything?
Thanks.
p.s.: yes, I'm a newbie here.
-- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a25 C++ UL+U+>L++++ miguel@netup.cl / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O M- mfarah@ing.puc.cl \ V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ X- R http://www.netup.cl/~miguel / tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ r-- y? #include <disclaimer.h> <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:21:43 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: king crimson Message-ID: <0lcTib200YUd07B180@andrew.cmu.edu>
for what you're looking for, i'd recommend either vrooom or red.
ideally, you should buy them all, though.
we'll steal your dreams ----william bajzek---- the realm of the freaks control your minds ------------http://--------- is to solve the demise persecute the fools ----phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu---- ravage the lifeless left behind -------------------/~wb2a/---------------- blinded by lies
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:54:20 -0600 From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <31A2034C.337@micron.net>
Hi all!! now that I've caught up on about 10 or 12 'jams, and my sleep, just some comments:
Thanks Pat for the mIRC stuff-I'm having fun with that!!
DT Rules!!! I'm waiting patiently for the new album. I just met someone here in Boise who's a fan too!! I'm going to give him the subscription address soon-hopefully we'll see him here!!
Adventures is cabdriving: I got paid well the other nite to drive a couple around while they "played" in the backseat-while Awake was playing. What an interesting experience!! Bafu Rocks.
/me is ytsejamming right now!!!
Keeep rockin' Pam
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Andrew Jurado <roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JPM100 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605211229.A3145-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Hey...anyone ever see a JP guitar in a store? ever play one? How much $? Just curious...I've seen advertisements, but I've never seen the guitar.
-Rob
****************************************************************************** Robert Andrew Jurado roburado@uclink2.berkeley.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "ga-ga-ga-ga-ga-GUNK-ga-ka-ga-KOW-ga-KOW..." -John Petrucci in Metropolis Part I ******************************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:26:24 +0000 From: "Brian Anderson" <anderson@frontiernet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fan club and stuff Message-ID: <199605211926.PAA28552@mail.frontiernet.net>
Whoa,
Got a letter in the mail yesterday, opened it up, and it was the fan club info from Mr. Neil Elliot. I was just a little surprised. I looked at the envelope it came in and the writing looked familiar. It took me a little while to realize that it was my writing. It was a SASE that I sent in about a year ago. I sent the envelope along with a check and form (that I got at ytsecon I from one of you) last summer. Problem is, they sent another form, saying to send in another check for all the fan club stuff. Now, I'm a little too disorganized to see if they cashed my initial check or not, so I guess I'll just write another one. I guess if it's helping DT out, I'll just keep sending checks. On another note, I finally replaced all my CD's that were stolen from my car. It was fun to see the cashier's face when I put about 16 CD's on the counter. I was impressed that the store had Echoyln and GC's Machine Fish. I pretty much cleared out their DT section. As some of you know, the first time my car was broken into, there was one CD that I couldn't remember I had in there. Well, a little while ago, I had the time to figure it out. It was my SUBCONSCIOUS #42!!!! Needless to say I was a little upset when I figured this out. Mr. Bahr was nice enough to replace my Acoustic Dreams, but I'm sure he can't replace the Subconscious. Maybe I'll get the dub of it, and put it in the Subconscious case. Oh well, nothing I can do about it. -Brian Anderson (currently anderson@frontiernet.net, was bda109@psu.edu)
p.s. Hi BABS, said hi to you as I drove by Geneseo on my way back from school, don't think you heard me though :-)
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:34:00 -0500 From: matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1567 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960521193400.006c4928@mailbox.neosoft.com>
>manner, and then back them up with evidence. Bravo Kevin! I still disagree >with you about Symbolic being very original and here is why: > >Lyrics: IMHO they are not original ideas >Symbolic=Ignorance and Innocence (Overkill) (snip) >Perennial Quest=Tomorrow, Tomorrow (Annie)
ok, imho, is it necessary to come up with an entirely new subject matter for a song to be lyrically stimulating. i would have to say not. it would seem to me that if you take that attitude, then ACOS wold almost have to seem mundane and boring. i mean, EVERYBODY almost has written about seizing the day, right? but we don't say that. why? because they have a unique manner of expressing that idea. kind of like when neil peart talks about "cold fire" on counterparts, he says that he had always steered away from love songs until he found a unique perspective on it. while death's lyrics may share common themes with other songs, that does not mean that they are without merit. the key is HOW does it approach those themes and does it do it in a unique way, and the answer in this case, imho, is definitely YES.
>generation of death metal led by Sepultura, Korn, Fear Factory, Type O >Negative.
type o negative is death metal? i have to disagree. i realize that you said they take elements of it, but even in their earlier days they weren't very much in a death metal direction, and especially not now. just because there are distorted guitars and occasional double bass does not mean you are death metal-oreinted. i mean, our beloved d.t. does those things too.
>PS if metallica hadn't evolved with the trends since Ride the Lightning >(which was considered a sell-out album even then, we would still be stuck >with such stupid songs as "Hit the Lights" and we never would have heard >the Brilliant Master of Puppets. Metallica has already shown us that they >can thrash like monsters, maybe now they want to see how strong of >songwriters they can be.
this is a damn good point, nd i'm glad someone finally made it. like i said about death in an earlier post: don't question the integrity of someone's music and direction until you actually know the people behind it. so unless all of you know all four members of metallica personally, you're not really in an informed position. it's ok to state your opinion, i'm not denying that. but you're still in the dark.
>Metallica >--------- >I still listen to "Master of Puppets" and "And Justice For All" somewhat >regularly, I got sick of hearing the songs on the Black album, I heard >the new singer and sorta like it,
new SINGER? huh? you mean SONG, right?
well, enough for now. btw, does anybody have any knowledge of how dt's new album is progressing? just curious...
later, matt. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ m a t t r o s i n S U R R E A L I T Y dark ethereal music ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:24:57 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: computers piss me off Message-ID: <31A22699.48CD@dreamt.org>
i just spend two days getting my computer back up... i have devised a rule for all you computer users out there.. DO NOT INSTALL PROGRAMS ON 100% OF YOUR HARD DRIVE, IT WILL MAJORLY FUCK IT UP! :) anyways, weird stuff been happening... i had this dream...
<dreamy wave music>
ok, me and Dan McCormack (mi vaca hermano) are in this mall, and for some reason Mojoman works in the survailance/lost and found area in this hidden big closet type room, and we go in and hang with mojo... heres the weird thing though, the fact that i dont even fucking know mojo in any way besides his posts... i've never mailed him and weve never talked on irc... nuthin against the dude, just wondering how the hell he ended up in my head... anyways we get on his computer and he's about to send a letter to the jam and he walks out of the room, so me and dan grab the computer and type "BOW TO COWS, COWS RULE!" all over the dudes post and send it... then mojo came back and we just kinda said bye and split, and then i pretty much woke up... man this is pathetic! I'm having dreams about computers and shit! DAMN YOU ALL!!!!!!! :)
hey whats the address for the site thats got ACoS shirts? can someone please gimme it? thanks.
ok one last thing, anyone into candlebox? i just got that new one from some dude for a few dollars and its pretty good. Klett's into a lot of Hendrix and D. Gilmour stuff, just wonderin if anyone else digs it and what they think.
as far as album cover=color of music, yeah, i do that all the time... i always see red when i listen to Iced Earth's Burnt Offerings because theres red artwork everywhere... even though they've got the name Iced Earth... <shrug>
theres probably more to say but i'm fresh out... on with it! ~Rip
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:32:22 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: musicians... Message-ID: <31A22856.3628@dreamt.org>
my quick thoughts on "what is a musician?"
Who gives a fuck.
'nuff said? no offense to anyone who put a lot into a post defending their side, but it honestly doesnt mean dip to me what a musician is. i do enjoy reading everyones definitions though, its cool to see all the interpretations and you get a lot of view off of it... gotta look for the silver lining eh? :) ~Rip
------------------------------
Date: 21 May 1996 13:52:13 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1564 Message-ID: <199605212045.AA25847@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 05/20/96 14:52 Siners can be musicians. Yes the voice is a musical instrument. The guy who started the thread asked if everyone's a musician because every can sing....WRONG! Everyone CAN'T sing. You're argument would also mean because I own a trombone, I'm a musician. WRONG! I must know how to play the instrument and then.. ...we get back into the other arguement about the other fine points of musicianship (where's Seeger when you need her?). But the simple fact of owning and instrument doesn't make you a musician.
Now, whetehr Death Metal vocalists are musicians is a a can of worms. There are many guitarists who know maybe five chords that have been called musicians. So you then must create your own criteria for acceptable USE of an instrument (voice, guitar, drums, etc.) and how you see it pertaining to musical ability. Death Metal vocalists are good at what they do...their genre. It's too subjective to call, but my opinion is they are less of musicians in the physical sense (vs. theory) than JL, or Pavarotti or Sting or Ella. See what I mean? Lots of death metal, to me, is no tougher than Green Day and I don't repsect them as musicians AT ALL. Next?
Steve
*************************************************************** "You may remember me from such movies as 'Dial M for Murderousness' and 'The Erotic Adventures of Hurcules'" - actor Troy McClure
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 16:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1560 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960521161655.22910B-100000@tron.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Referring to Metallica, someone said: > I heard the new singer and sorta like it, ~~~~~~ I hope he meant "single" or I've really missed something big.....
Anyway, I'd say something about Mr. Ordneal's ill-conceived rag the other day (Metallica and hockey hater), but a few people have beaten me to it.....d'ya think he enjoyed Jam 1567, where DT was only mentioned in 4/14 posts?
Stupid theory time: Years betw. WDADU and I&W: 3 years (1989-1992) betw. I&W and Awake: 2 years (1992-1994) betw. Awake and ???: 3 years (1994-1997) So maybe they'll return to the I&W level??? (apologies to the folx who prefer Awake.............
I told you it was stupid :)
Partha "The hockey hat wearing dork" Mukhopadhyay
I'm so glad to be 21, in the legal part of my life......"--echolyn
p.s. did i mention it was my birthday (May 21)? I guess I just did
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:50:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MYTSE-CON T-SHIRTS Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960521154535.6388S-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Ok people, here it is: I'm breaking ground on the T-shirts (finally). Anyone who's already talked to me, let me know a final (almost final?) # of T-shirts, AND sizes. Looks like they'll be running @ $12. But I don't know for sure. Actually, if you want, instead of e-mailing me, call. (414) 637-5351. If I'm not there, leave a message with a family member and I'll get back to you. In fact, PLEASE CALL. It'll probably be easier fro all of us that way. Thanks. One last thing: if you don't know for sure about T-shirts cuz the date's not set yet, that's fine. Just keep watching the 'jam for that. Any questions? Just call. I'll even call you back, if long-distance phone bill is the problem. Thanks
Bigman
------------------------------
Date: 21 May 1996 14:06:14 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1566 Message-ID: <199605212053.AA26245@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 05/21/96 05:03 Chris Oates...you're wrong!!! Metallica didn't open the door for grunge at all!! The Nirvana and Pearl Jam discs came out and were IMMEDIATELY popular in 1990....about 8 months BEFORE the black album cam out (which was in June of 1991). The black album did nothing for anyone! In fact, it was one of the last metal albums to hit the charts really hard before alternative flourished (another late biggie was "Slave to the Grind" by the Skids). The Black album was about nothing but radio play! "Nothing Else Matters" is a crap ballad compared to "Fade to Black".....on all levels. The Black album will be remembered for its radio hits, how many copies it sold and legitimizing a Grammy -- because at least as many people heard that album as people who heard of REM. Corporate rock finally got to measure Metallica.
Steve
*************************************************************** "You may remember me from such movies as 'Dial M for Murderousness' and 'The Erotic Adventures of Hurcules'" - actor Troy McClure
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 16:47:06, -0500 From: UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1564 Message-ID: <199605212047.QAA13136@mime4.prodigy.com>
> Have you ever heard of a band called WHITE ZOMBIE? Our drummer >played them to me yesterday in his car and I just couldn't believe >what I heard. Not prog at all but at least they're weird somehow. But >I think I like what I heard. :)
no, they are certainly NOT prog...but they kick ass all the same. you mean to tell me you NEVER heard of them?! damn...they get overplayed here on long island...
> So my question to the 'jammers >(so we can talk about anything other than Metallica) is Are singers musicians? >and Are Death Metal singers musicians?
************************************IMHO****************************** ******** all singers are musicians. i personally think it depends on what genre of music you are. death metal singers may have just as much talent as any other singers do...have you ever tried to growl like they do (well, a large majority or them anyway)? it's HARD! you lose your voice for a few days...just imagine touring like that! (didn't we have this thread a long time ago?) so, yes, singers are musicians. so are death metal singers. but not just anyone can walk in off the street and sing like James. jesus, i'm a soprano and i can't hit some of the notes he does. that man has talent. ************************************IMHO****************************** ************ fellow ytsejammer... Anna:-)
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 16:55:23 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Metallica and Hair Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605211609.D20382-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> > Subject: Metallica, King Crimson, Tori Amos, Hair > Message-ID: <31A17DDE.2040@umbc.edu> > > Metallica > --------- > I still listen to "Master of Puppets" and "And Justice For All" somewhat > regularly, I got sick of hearing the songs on the Black album, I heard > the new singer and sorta like it, but I really don't consider it anywhere
WHAT??? What new singer?
> Hair > ---- > Would you guys cut out the "sell-out" if your hair is short accusations! > This is terribly annoying, what a band member looks like has nothing to > do with how talented of a musician they are. Shit, if Derek Sherinian > looked like E.T., I still would like DT and buy their music. Wouldn't > make a bit of difference.
Here, here. Everyone used to think (some still do :) that Neil Peart has cancer because he never has hair and is going through chemo. He just shaves his head before every tour - one less thing to worry about.
While we're on the topic of hair...
----
> From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> > Subject: NDTC - YAPROSb - *** Warning - LONG ! *** > > Thats - Yet Another Positive Review of Superior's behind (CD). > > The vocalist is superb. His style suggests nice hair ;)
Funny, but I know what you mean. :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:16:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ugh. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960521171548.29355C-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hey, all. Syrinx here.
I hate to clutter the jam, but i have to on this occasion. Mojoman: PLEASE E-mail me. We need to speak about the vocal tracks.
------------------------------------- Michael B. Ostrich musical advisor/consultant syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@voicenet.com syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu ..and a partridge in a pear tree.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:10:58 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Let's not start this again. Message-ID: <199605212210.PAA13416@maple.enet.net>
>omebody said that a singer has to sing with a melody or else >he's not a musician - tell Mike Portnoy that and he'll kick your ass! Mike, >like myself, is a rap fan and I'm pretty sure he would agree that rap is music.
A rapper is a cross between a poet and a drummer.
>If I had to make a definition of music, it would have to be something along the >lines of, "any sound that elicits an emotional response from a listener".
If fingernails on a chalkboard pisses you off, is that music? The emotional response should be pleasurable, and the sound should have some kind of pattern. Notice I said SHOULD, not that it has to. I ran out of things to say on this topic last time it came up....oh well.
Anybody see the movie Unstrung Heroes? One scene takes place in a cemetery, and on one of the headstones it reads: PORTNOY. I thought that was pretty cool. ;-)
>press play... >"wa, oo , ee , oh"
Heehee. I crack up every time. ;-)
>"That's...bad as shit!"
No. "Now THAT is some baaaaaad sheet!"
>Symbolic=Ignorance and Innocence (Overkill) >Zero Tolerance=New Breed (Fear Factory) >Empty Words=One Child (Savatage) >1,000 Eyes=1984 (Orwell) >Without judgement=Captive Honour (Megadeth) >Crystal Mountain=Pisschrist (Fear Factory), The God that Failed (Metallica) >Misanthrope=Reckoning Day (Megadeth) >Perennial Quest=Tomorrow, Tomorrow (Annie) >
HA!! Tomorrow! I don't care about lyrics, but that's still funny. ;-)
>(Cathedral, Decide, Cannibal Corpse)
Decide? Hee.
>PS if metallica hadn't evolved with the trends since Ride the Lightning >(which was considered a sell-out album even then, we would still be stuck >with such stupid songs as "Hit the Lights" and we never would have heard >the Brilliant Master of Puppets.
What law says that "Hit the Lights" is stupid?
>I still listen to "Master of Puppets" and "And Justice For All" somewhat >regularly, I got sick of hearing the songs on the Black album, I heard >the new singer and sorta like it, but I really don't consider it anywhere ^^^^^^
Heh heh...typos are fun.
>Shit, if Derek Sherinian >looked like E.T.
Wait..you don't think he does? :-)
>A simple four-step process to expand your initial feelings of rage when >someone flames you on the Internet:
Bafu? Joe? Well, jammers...one of them is lying.
You be the Judd.
I say my hell is this closet I'm stuck inside. Can't see the light. And my heaven is a nice house in the sky. Got central heating and I'm all right... Big "Little Feet" Ben "Little Hands" Laussade Little baybay!
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 1568 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:55:30 EST