YTSEJAM digest 1571

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Wed May 22 1996 - 15:51:32 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 1571

    Today's Topics:

      1) Taxi
     by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
      2) asdf
     by BODINC23@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
      3) a problem with a toothy response...
     by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1568
     by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
      5) Mail Item Format Warning
     by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/22/96 - 14:35:59" <response@ibmmail.com>
      6) Re: Echolyn trivia
     by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
      7) EVE
     by Luis Ariceaga <txmleac@txm.ericsson.se>
      8) My Dear Woomward
     by Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
      9) The name thing (NDTC)
     by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
     10) Metallica (new "singer" yeah <grin>), White Zombie
     by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
     11) Death?
     by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
     12) Kevin Gilbert, echolyn trivia
     by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
     13) Jeremy Who?
     by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
     14) SINGERS
     by dada.mi@iol.it
     15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1569
     by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
     16) Trends...
     by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
     17) Re:Tasteless jokes / IBM & G.A.S
     by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
     18) Cynic, multiple "singles",
     by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
     19) Kevin Gilbert
     by mccorkindact@alpha.hendrix.edu
     20) YTSEJAM digest 1570
     by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
     21) Lep
     by larsh@ionsys.com (Lars Hellsten)

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:22:49 -0500 (EST)
    From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Taxi
    Message-ID: <v01510107adc88c91124d@[137.238.26.12]>

    >Adventures is cabdriving: I got paid well the other nite to drive a couple
    >around while they "played" in the backseat-while Awake was playing. What
    >an interesting experience!!

    That's pretty funny. You should have asked them if they were on the
    Ytsejam - maybe it's someone we all know (big laugh).

    -BABS

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:27:10 -0500 (CDT)
    From: BODINC23@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: asdf
    Message-ID: <01I5007RQO4Y00C2LI@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>

    Date sent: 22-MAY-1996 08:26:47
    get ytsejam ytsejam.1569
    ***********************************
    Charles A. Bodinger
    (bodinc23@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu)
    Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to get an EOJ
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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:27:43 -0400
    From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
    To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: a problem with a toothy response...
    Message-ID: <199605221330.GAA25656@mindcrime.ax.com>

    > First, in the 80's, there was the first glam bands: Van Halen, Motley
    Crue,
    > Ratt, Poison, Def Leppard, Guns and Roses, and AC/DC (though they aren't

    > exactly glamourous..)

            I hate to be a bitch on this one....BUT....how can you collectively use
    Van Halen in the same sentance as Poison....Ratt was almost dead before
    Poison released their second album...so your chronology is starting to die
    here.....I would include Poison in your second wave.....BUT at the same
    time, Van Halen and AC/DC became reconing forces in the 70's NOT the
    80's!!

    >
    > But then, the high school kids in their bands started saying, "Yeah!
    This shit
    > rocks! Our band should sound like THAT!" And thus the second
    generation of
    > glam bands appeared: Slaughter, Warrant, Mr. Big, Bad English,
    Jackyl...

            I'll agree that kids started to get tired of it...but thats where
    agreement stops.... Bad English was a rock group with about 75 years of
    collective experience...
    Neal Schon and John Waite went to high school in the 50's and 60's ...NOT
    the early 80's....so your equation for them doesn't work.....I'll say the
    same thing about Mr Big....Billy Sheehan was a professional bass player
    since probably before most of us were born....and Eric Martin already had
    a solo career with 3 albums during the early 80's............
            So you really cant lump Bad English and Mr Big with those other ones
    either because they aren't riding on the influence of the early 80's
    bands......

    J U S T S A Y M O J O !!!!!!!

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:35:42 -0500 (EST)
    From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1568
    Message-ID: <v01510108adc88dad551f@[137.238.26.12]>

    To Brian Anderson:

    It was a SASE that I sent in about a year ago. I sent the envelope along
    >with a check and form (that I got at ytsecon I from one of you) last
    >summer.

    Yes, I know what form you are talking about Brian. Those were given to me
    by the President of their fan club, Gail Flug. She was at the convention
    as well.

     Problem is, they sent another form, saying to send in another check for
    all the fan club stuff. Now, I'm a little too disorganized to see if they
    cashed my initial check or not, so I guess I'll just write another one. I
    guess if it's helping DT out,
    >I'll just keep sending checks.

    I would think this over a bit Brian. No need to pay twice. If you have
    time go through your stuff and see if you wrote that check or not.

    >p.s. Hi BABS, said hi to you as I drove by Geneseo on my way back
    >from school, don't think you heard me though :-)

    Oh sure, go right by where I live and not stop and say hello (giggle).
    BTW, I showed the Ytse Convention pictures to a fellow 'jammer who STOPPED
    BY TO VISIT ME IN GENESEO ON HIS WAY HOME (how's that for a little guilt?)
    and he agreed w/ me that you look like Geoff Tate.

    -BABS

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:34:31 EDT
    From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/22/96 - 14:35:59" <response@ibmmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
    Message-ID: <199605221334.GAA25696@mindcrime.ax.com>

    The mail item that you sent at 13:34:15 GMT on 22 May 1996 has been delivered.

    However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
    format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL.
    Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped.

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:06:54 -0700
    From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Echolyn trivia
    Message-ID: <199605221406.HAA16261@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>

    Mithrandir wrote:

    > This is a trivia question for any Echolyn fan:
    >What is the song "My Dear Wormwood" about? Anybody know?
    >

    Well, I don't have the CD handy to check the lyrics, and I haven't
    listeden to it more than 3 or 4 times, but I know that "wormwood" in
    Russian is Chernobyl, so (wild guess), is it about nuclear energy, or
    specifically, the accident at Chernobyl?

    Ding, ding, ding!

    "Tell him what he's won, Jay!"

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:16:42 -0600 (CST)
    From: Luis Ariceaga <txmleac@txm.ericsson.se>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: EVE
    Message-ID: <199605221416.IAA18224@txm.ericsson.se>

    Where can I get EVE and other not recorded stuff?

    /Luis Ariceaga

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:15:22 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: My Dear Woomward
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960522101134.5596A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>

    Hey, All. Syrinx here.

            This is to answer the question about "My Dear Wormwood", off of
    the Echolyn CD "As The World" (quotes taken from the Echolyn Global Guide):

    BRETT: Inspired by "The Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis. The story is
    about a demon named Screwtape and his letters of correspondence to his
    newphew (a lessor demon) Wormword. Wormwood's duty is to sway his human
    patient's soul away from heavenly salvation. If he fails he must pay the
    price to his uncle and the infernal police.

    PAUL: Did you know that the wormwood is actually the hardest of all
    woods? This song has my favorite groove on the album.

    Whal-la. If anyone wants the lyrics (or more neat-o quotes), just e-mail
    me at the usually ytseaddress.

    -------------------------------------
    Michael B. Ostrich
    musical advisor/consultant
    syrinx@dreamt.org
    syrinx@voicenet.com
    syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
    ..and a partridge in a pear tree.

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:44:11 -0700
    From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: The name thing (NDTC)
    Message-ID: <199605221444.HAA04527@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>

    Dave King wrote:

    (Quoting me)
    >> Also sorry that my name appears in my mail header :^)

    >BTW, what's the problem with your name, anyway?

    It was just a little joke (see smiley above) - I meant that I wish it
    DIDN'T appear in my header, since several jammers have seen fit to
    either use it in their Subject fields (you), or misspell it (not you).
    It's a somewhat unusual name, and I've thought about changing it to
    O'Neal, but figured WTF! And now I have three sons (no daughters) and
    5 nephews (no neices) so soon there will be a Whole Lotta Odneals. I
    know you are all thrilled about that . . .

    And now, Back to the 'Jam!

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:53:16 -0700
    From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Metallica (new "singer" yeah <grin>), White Zombie
    Message-ID: <31A3467C.144D@umbc.edu>

    Hello Jammers,

    Metallica (typo-flub)
    ---------
    Yeah, I meant "single" not "singer" in my previous post on Metallica. I
    can't remember if I posted this while intoxicated or not, most likely it
    was 3 AM or something. <grin>

    White Zombie
    ------------
    Saw them open for Anthrax on the tour for their first album. Not bad,
    hated the vocalist, he sure loved to rub his crotch with the microphone
    <grin>. If you are in appreciation of a good mosh pit, check these guys
    out, killer pit action, not violent but hard and heavy. BTW I liked the
    single "not singer" <grin> from the second album, "More Human Than Human"
    though I never did get around to getting the album.

    Later,

    Mike
     
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    Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
    WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
    WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:06:38 +0200 (MESZ)
    From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
    Subject: Death?
    Message-ID: <9605221506.AA107136@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>

    Hello, Charles D Harrison!

    What about Atheist? For all the ones who think that Mike Portnoy is TOO BUSY,
    listen to the second Atheist album, Unquestionable Presence. No rhythm, just
    fills ;-)

    Anyway, Gene Hoglan proved on Death's Individual Thought Patterns that he can
    also play complex, not only fast (Dark Angel). Listen to Out Of Touch, or
    what ever it's called. BTW, has someone seen him after his diet? I have met him
    1991, I think, with Dark Angel, and he was - erm - huge. When he was sitting
    at the kit you really thought it was a children's practice kit or whatever...

    Steffen

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:09:26 -0700
    From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Kevin Gilbert, echolyn trivia
    Message-ID: <31A34A46.241D@umbc.edu>

    Hello Jammers,

    Kevin Gilbert
    -------------
    My support to Airdance and the other fans of Kevin Gilbert. I have been
    reading the r.m.p newsgroup and the man was much more highly regarded
    than I knew. The only recordings I own of Kevin are as Giraffe doing the
    cover of "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" at Progday 94. A brilliant
    musical rendition of a classic piece. And now to hear that Kevin had
    plans to produce the new DT disk... I think I will have to find a couple
    of his albums (it seems from the talk on r.m.p that most of them are out
    of print). Anyways...

    Echolyn trivia
    --------------
    My Dear Wormwood is an interpretation of a C.S Lewis story about a
    guardian demon whose job is to successfully corrupt his quary, or he will
    be cast into the darkest reaches of hell. Fun stuff...

    Later,

    Mike

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    Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
    WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
    WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:59:17 -0400 (EDT)
    From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
    To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Jeremy Who?
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605221140.M23158-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>

    > From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
    > Subject: Jeremy Hyde: fuck off!
    >
    > Jeremy Hyde answered Brian Holst's arastar/ax.com enquiry as follows:
    >
    > >Boy if this lame sap can get an EOJ, anyone can!!!!
    > >Tee-hee-hee-hee!!!
    > >Maybe I'm sick, but I actually feel sorry for this guy, he digs DT so he
    > >can't be as stupid as this post showed us!!!
    >
    > So that's how we should from now on answer people who ask questions and
    > enquire on the jam?

    Whoa, wait, hang on. *The* Jeremy Hyde? The bad trade guy aka Susan
    Moscardini? Did anyone else catch this? Am I thinking of the wrong person?

      ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary
      cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn
      d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
      http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 96 18:43:43
    From: dada.mi@iol.it
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: SINGERS
    Message-ID: <199605221739.SAA05065@iol-mail.iol.it>

    Y> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 16:47:06, -0500
    Y> From: UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC)

    Y> all singers are musicians. i personally think it depends on what =

    Y> genre of music you are. death metal singers may have just as much =

    Y> talent as any other singers do...have you ever tried to growl like =

    Y> they do (well, a large majority or them anyway)? it's HARD! you =

    Y> lose your voice for a few days...just imagine touring like that!
    Y> (didn't we have this thread a long time ago?)
    Y> so, yes, singers are musicians. so are death metal singers. but not =

    Y> just anyone can walk in off the street and sing like James. jesus, =

    Y> i'm a soprano and i can't hit some of the notes he does. that man =

    Y> has talent. =

    I'm not the only one that think James is one of the best singer ever
    heard. =

    Scarred is one of the most difficult song..........who else can hit that
    notes? And what about THE KILLING HAND from LATM ?

    Bye =

            dAdA (Italy)

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:55:46 -0700
    From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1569
    Message-ID: <199605221655.JAA23872@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>

    >>Anybody see Joan Jett on Letterman? Doesn't that song sound
    suspiciously like Green Day?<<

    That song was "Love is All Around." It was the theme to The Mary Tyler
    Moore Show back in the 70's. (I know Charone, I'm too old!)

    >>And did anybody notice Def Leppard's new grungy look?<<

    I was surprised that I actually liked this. I don't particularly like
    the Leps very much, but this song was pretty good. Finally, a different
    sound for them, it's about fookin' time.

    Scott Cook

    A gathering of Angels appeared above my head
    And sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said

    They said "Come Sail Away"

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 96 10:01:25 PDT
    From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Trends...
    Message-ID: <9605221701.AA00346@tengs1>

    Re: Faith No More

    FNM has been doing stuff a lot longer than any of the bands you
    mention in the same sentence. I think they are pretty original.
    Of course, I could be wrong...

    Zach

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:44:45 -0700
    From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re:Tasteless jokes / IBM & G.A.S
    Message-ID: <199605221644.JAA17474@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>

    >>I know you didn't mean anything by it, but you shouldn't have even
    dignified that fucking joke by spreading it around. Did you ever think
    that someone on the Jam might have had relatives on that flight...?<<

    I agree that it was pretty tasteless, but it was only a joke. I mean, I
    lost a brother to drunk driving, but one someon tells a joke about it I
    remember they didn't know it and just blow it off. Hell, When the movie
    Hocus Pocus came out in 1993, The society of Witches protested the
    movie. The world needs to take a chill pill!

    I was wondering if there was a way to get the IBM Format warning and
    the G.A.S. thing in the same post. It would be easier to scroll
    through.

    Scott Cook

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 96 11:24:02 PDT
    From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Cynic, multiple "singles",
    Message-ID: <9605221824.AA01660@tengs1>

    I was listening to Cynic last night on the way home.

    Awesome band. Sean is so precise... well, they all are.
    The death growls are kind of hard to get used to, but at
    least a lot of the vocals are synthesized (neat!).
    I guess they could be described as "jazz-fusion progressive
    death metal". A guy from a band called The Tin Gods
    described them as "aural tie-dyed graffiti".

    :::::::::

    I think the reason there are so many single variations
    is that it artificially (in a sense) increases how well
    the single is doing in the charts. Corporate bullshit.

    Zach

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:58:04 -0500
    From: mccorkindact@alpha.hendrix.edu
    To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
    Subject: Kevin Gilbert
    Message-ID: <96052212580439@alpha.hendrix.edu>

    Is the late Kevin Gilbert the same Kevin Gilbert from Toy Matinee/3rd Matinee?
    He was a truly original musical spirit, if anyone out there finds either of
    those albums, buy them (I think the first one is out of print)!!!
    Kevin also closely with the great Mike Keneally in Stanley Snail, on the Yes
    tribute CD, and I think also produced Marc Bonilla's EE Ticket. These are the
    only CD's of Kevin's that I have, and I'm sorry I won't be hearing more -
    can anyone tell me about some of his other works? Thanks.

    Anyone care to discuss the new King's X? I personally am deliriously happy
    with it!!! Not as dark as Dogman, and more like the previous CD's.
    I only have a tape copy since I can't afford a new CD, so I don't know the
    track names, but I'm too happy to care.

    Everyone with money go get "Ear Candy" and "Toy Matinee"!!

    Colter McCorkindale
    mccorkindact@alpha.hendrix.edu
    http://www.hendrix.edu/homes/stu/mccorkindalect

    "I'm basically frightened...of politicians who have no hobbies." -Col. Bruce

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    Date: 22 May 1996 12:30:12 GMT
    From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1570
    Message-ID: <199605221914.AA23957@interlock.amoco.com>

    *** Reply to note of 05/22/96 08:34
    Chris Oates....touche on the copyright date. However, I heard LOTS of Nirvana
    and Pearl Jam BEFORE Metallica's black album was released. My checkpoint is
    that I heard the Chicago "debut" of "Sandman" after I had graduated from
    college in May of 1991.
      I had heard plenty of the Nirvana and Pearl Jam well before I left school.
    If you're gonna attribute any commercial appreciation of Metallica to any
    success of Seattle, it'd be "One" being MTV's #1 video every day for four
    weeks. Heck, Chicago even had an all hard rock radio station (The Blaze). I
    don't think Metallica had ANY direct influence on the Seattle bands'
    breakthroughs. It was just a changing of the guard from mainstream hard
    rock/metal to the alternative/underground stuff. I still contend the Black
    album's influence was little to none as it came at the end of the metal wave.
    But thanks for checking the release dates. I'll have to go and check my
    copies and straighten out my facts.

    Steve

    ***************************************************************
    "You may remember me from such movies as 'Dial M for
    Murderousness' and 'The Erotic Adventures of Hurcules'"
                                               - actor Troy McClure

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    Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:48:14 -0400
    From: larsh@ionsys.com (Lars Hellsten)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: ripzero@ix.netcom.com
    Subject: Lep
    Message-ID: <199605221948.PAA07357@bart.ionsys.com>

    >>Hey! I'm one of those kids who grew up with Wang Chung and the glam
    >>bands of the 80's. Def Leppard's "Hysteria" was the first cassette I
    >>ever bought, and I still have it.
    >
    >me too! and so did someone else... man how many other people bought
    >this as their first cassette?

    This reply is a bit late (that's what happens when you have 50,000 Jam's in
    your mailbox), but me too! I was about 10 years old, and I heard a couple
    of the songs when I was at my older cousin's place, so I went out and bought
    the tape.

    In fact, it was my first two cassettes (I lost it - accidentally left it in
    the tape deck on a busted stereo when we returned it for a refund - and
    bought it again).

    It's pretty neat (but not really surprising) that so many others did the
    same thing.

    --
    Lars Hellsten (larsh@ionsys.com)  /*/  http://www.ionsys.com/~larsh
    "Once I reached for love, and now I reach for life" - Dream Theater
    

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