YTSEJAM Digest 1571
Today's Topics:
1) Taxi
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
2) asdf
by BODINC23@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
3) a problem with a toothy response...
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1568
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
5) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/22/96 - 14:35:59" <response@ibmmail.com>
6) Re: Echolyn trivia
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
7) EVE
by Luis Ariceaga <txmleac@txm.ericsson.se>
8) My Dear Woomward
by Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
9) The name thing (NDTC)
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
10) Metallica (new "singer" yeah <grin>), White Zombie
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
11) Death?
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
12) Kevin Gilbert, echolyn trivia
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
13) Jeremy Who?
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
14) SINGERS
by dada.mi@iol.it
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1569
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
16) Trends...
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
17) Re:Tasteless jokes / IBM & G.A.S
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
18) Cynic, multiple "singles",
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
19) Kevin Gilbert
by mccorkindact@alpha.hendrix.edu
20) YTSEJAM digest 1570
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
21) Lep
by larsh@ionsys.com (Lars Hellsten)
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:22:49 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Taxi
Message-ID: <v01510107adc88c91124d@[137.238.26.12]>
>Adventures is cabdriving: I got paid well the other nite to drive a couple
>around while they "played" in the backseat-while Awake was playing. What
>an interesting experience!!
That's pretty funny. You should have asked them if they were on the
Ytsejam - maybe it's someone we all know (big laugh).
-BABS
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:27:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: BODINC23@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: asdf
Message-ID: <01I5007RQO4Y00C2LI@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Date sent: 22-MAY-1996 08:26:47
get ytsejam ytsejam.1569
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Charles A. Bodinger
(bodinc23@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu)
Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to get an EOJ
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:27:43 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: a problem with a toothy response...
Message-ID: <199605221330.GAA25656@mindcrime.ax.com>
> First, in the 80's, there was the first glam bands: Van Halen, Motley
Crue,
> Ratt, Poison, Def Leppard, Guns and Roses, and AC/DC (though they aren't
> exactly glamourous..)
I hate to be a bitch on this one....BUT....how can you collectively use
Van Halen in the same sentance as Poison....Ratt was almost dead before
Poison released their second album...so your chronology is starting to die
here.....I would include Poison in your second wave.....BUT at the same
time, Van Halen and AC/DC became reconing forces in the 70's NOT the
80's!!
>
> But then, the high school kids in their bands started saying, "Yeah!
This shit
> rocks! Our band should sound like THAT!" And thus the second
generation of
> glam bands appeared: Slaughter, Warrant, Mr. Big, Bad English,
Jackyl...
I'll agree that kids started to get tired of it...but thats where
agreement stops.... Bad English was a rock group with about 75 years of
collective experience...
Neal Schon and John Waite went to high school in the 50's and 60's ...NOT
the early 80's....so your equation for them doesn't work.....I'll say the
same thing about Mr Big....Billy Sheehan was a professional bass player
since probably before most of us were born....and Eric Martin already had
a solo career with 3 albums during the early 80's............
So you really cant lump Bad English and Mr Big with those other ones
either because they aren't riding on the influence of the early 80's
bands......
J U S T S A Y M O J O !!!!!!!
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:35:42 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1568
Message-ID: <v01510108adc88dad551f@[137.238.26.12]>
To Brian Anderson:
It was a SASE that I sent in about a year ago. I sent the envelope along
>with a check and form (that I got at ytsecon I from one of you) last
>summer.
Yes, I know what form you are talking about Brian. Those were given to me
by the President of their fan club, Gail Flug. She was at the convention
as well.
Problem is, they sent another form, saying to send in another check for
all the fan club stuff. Now, I'm a little too disorganized to see if they
cashed my initial check or not, so I guess I'll just write another one. I
guess if it's helping DT out,
>I'll just keep sending checks.
I would think this over a bit Brian. No need to pay twice. If you have
time go through your stuff and see if you wrote that check or not.
>p.s. Hi BABS, said hi to you as I drove by Geneseo on my way back
>from school, don't think you heard me though :-)
Oh sure, go right by where I live and not stop and say hello (giggle).
BTW, I showed the Ytse Convention pictures to a fellow 'jammer who STOPPED
BY TO VISIT ME IN GENESEO ON HIS WAY HOME (how's that for a little guilt?)
and he agreed w/ me that you look like Geoff Tate.
-BABS
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:34:31 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/22/96 - 14:35:59" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199605221334.GAA25696@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 13:34:15 GMT on 22 May 1996 has been delivered.
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:06:54 -0700
From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Echolyn trivia
Message-ID: <199605221406.HAA16261@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>
Mithrandir wrote:
> This is a trivia question for any Echolyn fan:
>What is the song "My Dear Wormwood" about? Anybody know?
>
Well, I don't have the CD handy to check the lyrics, and I haven't
listeden to it more than 3 or 4 times, but I know that "wormwood" in
Russian is Chernobyl, so (wild guess), is it about nuclear energy, or
specifically, the accident at Chernobyl?
Ding, ding, ding!
"Tell him what he's won, Jay!"
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:16:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Luis Ariceaga <txmleac@txm.ericsson.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: EVE
Message-ID: <199605221416.IAA18224@txm.ericsson.se>
Where can I get EVE and other not recorded stuff?
/Luis Ariceaga
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:15:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My Dear Woomward
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960522101134.5596A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hey, All. Syrinx here.
This is to answer the question about "My Dear Wormwood", off of
the Echolyn CD "As The World" (quotes taken from the Echolyn Global Guide):
BRETT: Inspired by "The Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis. The story is
about a demon named Screwtape and his letters of correspondence to his
newphew (a lessor demon) Wormword. Wormwood's duty is to sway his human
patient's soul away from heavenly salvation. If he fails he must pay the
price to his uncle and the infernal police.
PAUL: Did you know that the wormwood is actually the hardest of all
woods? This song has my favorite groove on the album.
Whal-la. If anyone wants the lyrics (or more neat-o quotes), just e-mail
me at the usually ytseaddress.
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Michael B. Ostrich
musical advisor/consultant
syrinx@dreamt.org
syrinx@voicenet.com
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
..and a partridge in a pear tree.
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:44:11 -0700
From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The name thing (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199605221444.HAA04527@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>
Dave King wrote:
(Quoting me)
>> Also sorry that my name appears in my mail header :^)
>BTW, what's the problem with your name, anyway?
It was just a little joke (see smiley above) - I meant that I wish it
DIDN'T appear in my header, since several jammers have seen fit to
either use it in their Subject fields (you), or misspell it (not you).
It's a somewhat unusual name, and I've thought about changing it to
O'Neal, but figured WTF! And now I have three sons (no daughters) and
5 nephews (no neices) so soon there will be a Whole Lotta Odneals. I
know you are all thrilled about that . . .
And now, Back to the 'Jam!
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:53:16 -0700
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metallica (new "singer" yeah <grin>), White Zombie
Message-ID: <31A3467C.144D@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Metallica (typo-flub)
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Yeah, I meant "single" not "singer" in my previous post on Metallica. I
can't remember if I posted this while intoxicated or not, most likely it
was 3 AM or something. <grin>
White Zombie
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Saw them open for Anthrax on the tour for their first album. Not bad,
hated the vocalist, he sure loved to rub his crotch with the microphone
<grin>. If you are in appreciation of a good mosh pit, check these guys
out, killer pit action, not violent but hard and heavy. BTW I liked the
single "not singer" <grin> from the second album, "More Human Than Human"
though I never did get around to getting the album.
Later,
Mike
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Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:06:38 +0200 (MESZ)
From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
Subject: Death?
Message-ID: <9605221506.AA107136@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hello, Charles D Harrison!
What about Atheist? For all the ones who think that Mike Portnoy is TOO BUSY,
listen to the second Atheist album, Unquestionable Presence. No rhythm, just
fills ;-)
Anyway, Gene Hoglan proved on Death's Individual Thought Patterns that he can
also play complex, not only fast (Dark Angel). Listen to Out Of Touch, or
what ever it's called. BTW, has someone seen him after his diet? I have met him
1991, I think, with Dark Angel, and he was - erm - huge. When he was sitting
at the kit you really thought it was a children's practice kit or whatever...
Steffen
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:09:26 -0700
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin Gilbert, echolyn trivia
Message-ID: <31A34A46.241D@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Kevin Gilbert
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My support to Airdance and the other fans of Kevin Gilbert. I have been
reading the r.m.p newsgroup and the man was much more highly regarded
than I knew. The only recordings I own of Kevin are as Giraffe doing the
cover of "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" at Progday 94. A brilliant
musical rendition of a classic piece. And now to hear that Kevin had
plans to produce the new DT disk... I think I will have to find a couple
of his albums (it seems from the talk on r.m.p that most of them are out
of print). Anyways...
Echolyn trivia
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My Dear Wormwood is an interpretation of a C.S Lewis story about a
guardian demon whose job is to successfully corrupt his quary, or he will
be cast into the darkest reaches of hell. Fun stuff...
Later,
Mike
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Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:59:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jeremy Who?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605221140.M23158-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
> Subject: Jeremy Hyde: fuck off!
>
> Jeremy Hyde answered Brian Holst's arastar/ax.com enquiry as follows:
>
> >Boy if this lame sap can get an EOJ, anyone can!!!!
> >Tee-hee-hee-hee!!!
> >Maybe I'm sick, but I actually feel sorry for this guy, he digs DT so he
> >can't be as stupid as this post showed us!!!
>
> So that's how we should from now on answer people who ask questions and
> enquire on the jam?
Whoa, wait, hang on. *The* Jeremy Hyde? The bad trade guy aka Susan
Moscardini? Did anyone else catch this? Am I thinking of the wrong person?
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary
cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 18:43:43
From: dada.mi@iol.it
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SINGERS
Message-ID: <199605221739.SAA05065@iol-mail.iol.it>
Y> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 16:47:06, -0500
Y> From: UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC)
Y> all singers are musicians. i personally think it depends on what =
Y> genre of music you are. death metal singers may have just as much =
Y> talent as any other singers do...have you ever tried to growl like =
Y> they do (well, a large majority or them anyway)? it's HARD! you =
Y> lose your voice for a few days...just imagine touring like that!
Y> (didn't we have this thread a long time ago?)
Y> so, yes, singers are musicians. so are death metal singers. but not =
Y> just anyone can walk in off the street and sing like James. jesus, =
Y> i'm a soprano and i can't hit some of the notes he does. that man =
Y> has talent. =
I'm not the only one that think James is one of the best singer ever
heard. =
Scarred is one of the most difficult song..........who else can hit that
notes? And what about THE KILLING HAND from LATM ?
Bye =
dAdA (Italy)
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:55:46 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1569
Message-ID: <199605221655.JAA23872@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>
>>Anybody see Joan Jett on Letterman? Doesn't that song sound
suspiciously like Green Day?<<
That song was "Love is All Around." It was the theme to The Mary Tyler
Moore Show back in the 70's. (I know Charone, I'm too old!)
>>And did anybody notice Def Leppard's new grungy look?<<
I was surprised that I actually liked this. I don't particularly like
the Leps very much, but this song was pretty good. Finally, a different
sound for them, it's about fookin' time.
Scott Cook
A gathering of Angels appeared above my head
And sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said
They said "Come Sail Away"
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 10:01:25 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trends...
Message-ID: <9605221701.AA00346@tengs1>
Re: Faith No More
FNM has been doing stuff a lot longer than any of the bands you
mention in the same sentence. I think they are pretty original.
Of course, I could be wrong...
Zach
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:44:45 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:Tasteless jokes / IBM & G.A.S
Message-ID: <199605221644.JAA17474@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
>>I know you didn't mean anything by it, but you shouldn't have even
dignified that fucking joke by spreading it around. Did you ever think
that someone on the Jam might have had relatives on that flight...?<<
I agree that it was pretty tasteless, but it was only a joke. I mean, I
lost a brother to drunk driving, but one someon tells a joke about it I
remember they didn't know it and just blow it off. Hell, When the movie
Hocus Pocus came out in 1993, The society of Witches protested the
movie. The world needs to take a chill pill!
I was wondering if there was a way to get the IBM Format warning and
the G.A.S. thing in the same post. It would be easier to scroll
through.
Scott Cook
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 11:24:02 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cynic, multiple "singles",
Message-ID: <9605221824.AA01660@tengs1>
I was listening to Cynic last night on the way home.
Awesome band. Sean is so precise... well, they all are.
The death growls are kind of hard to get used to, but at
least a lot of the vocals are synthesized (neat!).
I guess they could be described as "jazz-fusion progressive
death metal". A guy from a band called The Tin Gods
described them as "aural tie-dyed graffiti".
:::::::::
I think the reason there are so many single variations
is that it artificially (in a sense) increases how well
the single is doing in the charts. Corporate bullshit.
Zach
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:58:04 -0500
From: mccorkindact@alpha.hendrix.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Kevin Gilbert
Message-ID: <96052212580439@alpha.hendrix.edu>
Is the late Kevin Gilbert the same Kevin Gilbert from Toy Matinee/3rd Matinee?
He was a truly original musical spirit, if anyone out there finds either of
those albums, buy them (I think the first one is out of print)!!!
Kevin also closely with the great Mike Keneally in Stanley Snail, on the Yes
tribute CD, and I think also produced Marc Bonilla's EE Ticket. These are the
only CD's of Kevin's that I have, and I'm sorry I won't be hearing more -
can anyone tell me about some of his other works? Thanks.
Anyone care to discuss the new King's X? I personally am deliriously happy
with it!!! Not as dark as Dogman, and more like the previous CD's.
I only have a tape copy since I can't afford a new CD, so I don't know the
track names, but I'm too happy to care.
Everyone with money go get "Ear Candy" and "Toy Matinee"!!
Colter McCorkindale
mccorkindact@alpha.hendrix.edu
http://www.hendrix.edu/homes/stu/mccorkindalect
"I'm basically frightened...of politicians who have no hobbies." -Col. Bruce
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Date: 22 May 1996 12:30:12 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1570
Message-ID: <199605221914.AA23957@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 05/22/96 08:34
Chris Oates....touche on the copyright date. However, I heard LOTS of Nirvana
and Pearl Jam BEFORE Metallica's black album was released. My checkpoint is
that I heard the Chicago "debut" of "Sandman" after I had graduated from
college in May of 1991.
I had heard plenty of the Nirvana and Pearl Jam well before I left school.
If you're gonna attribute any commercial appreciation of Metallica to any
success of Seattle, it'd be "One" being MTV's #1 video every day for four
weeks. Heck, Chicago even had an all hard rock radio station (The Blaze). I
don't think Metallica had ANY direct influence on the Seattle bands'
breakthroughs. It was just a changing of the guard from mainstream hard
rock/metal to the alternative/underground stuff. I still contend the Black
album's influence was little to none as it came at the end of the metal wave.
But thanks for checking the release dates. I'll have to go and check my
copies and straighten out my facts.
Steve
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"You may remember me from such movies as 'Dial M for
Murderousness' and 'The Erotic Adventures of Hurcules'"
- actor Troy McClure
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:48:14 -0400
From: larsh@ionsys.com (Lars Hellsten)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: ripzero@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Lep
Message-ID: <199605221948.PAA07357@bart.ionsys.com>
>>Hey! I'm one of those kids who grew up with Wang Chung and the glam
>>bands of the 80's. Def Leppard's "Hysteria" was the first cassette I
>>ever bought, and I still have it.
>
>me too! and so did someone else... man how many other people bought
>this as their first cassette?
This reply is a bit late (that's what happens when you have 50,000 Jam's in
your mailbox), but me too! I was about 10 years old, and I heard a couple
of the songs when I was at my older cousin's place, so I went out and bought
the tape.
In fact, it was my first two cassettes (I lost it - accidentally left it in
the tape deck on a busted stereo when we returned it for a refund - and
bought it again).
It's pretty neat (but not really surprising) that so many others did the
same thing.
-- Lars Hellsten (larsh@ionsys.com) /*/ http://www.ionsys.com/~larsh "Once I reached for love, and now I reach for life" - Dream Theater------------------------------
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