YTSEJAM Digest 1578
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/24/96 - 03:54:14" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Rockin' Violins?
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
3) I want OUT!!!
by kingfrog@prolog.net
4) D-boy and Mojogirl
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
5) Re: Prog??? (fwd)
by Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
6) Unsubbing
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
7) Keyboard Timing
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
8) YTSEJAM digest 1572
by kain@fgallery.com
9) YTSEJAM digest 1577
by kain@fgallery.com
10) This warehouse frightens me...
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
11) Academy for the Rythmically Impaired
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
12) some various stuff
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
13) wah, vinnie COLEEAYOOTTAA,
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) ID4
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1576
by akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 22:52:43 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/24/96 - 03:54:14" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 21:17:08 PST
From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rockin' Violins?
Message-ID: <19960523.211730.7951.6.nishiki@juno.com>
I think I've seen a Vanessa Mae video on TV. Is she Oriental? If that was her, think Jean-Luc Ponty as a babe!
DJKA
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:11:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: kingfrog@prolog.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I want OUT!!!
Message-ID: <199605240311.XAA09536@ns1.ptd.net>
I would like to be taken off this lists only i don't know how to do it...
So please someone tell me how to stop receiving these !!!!!
Brian P
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:15:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: D-boy and Mojogirl
Message-ID: <199605240315.UAA09224@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hey Kids!!!
Now truthfully, don't we all miss the mojogirl this weekend? As for
the digital boy, well that's a different story. No wedge it was not me who
tried to convince you about PMU. I've seen DT play that song numerous times
and they've played the ending different on different occasions. Honestly
though Wedge, were not you the same individual who when asked if they wanted
to see DT live in July 95 for free at C.P.I. said " Echolyn's not playing, I
don't want to go"? Looking back don't you see your folly? Yes you don't
return phone calls either.
Mind you all, D-Girl and I are very good friends, so don't take this
out of context. It was not a flame. Oh yeah, I remember when we were writing
the song "Arizona sun", when I suggested adding a somewhat more progresive
part you said " I still like Metallica better than Dream Theater".
Sorry guys after everyone poking fun at my name and sig, I just had to
vent!!!!!
P.S. Mr. Cool Pick up any of Vinny's stuff, it's all amazing. Try his Zappa
day stuff, that's real wacky
P.P.S. Mike Bahr: Where are my discs? I need more DT AAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHH
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:19:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Prog??? (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960523231757.8538A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
every time i hear this asked, i think of this, which i posted eons ago. i
thought i should re-post it.
>How exactly do you define progressive rock?
I loved this reply which appeared in the Letters column in the September
1993 issue of Keyboard magazine:
To be classified as prog rock, music must adhere to the following criteria:
1. Songs can be no less than seven minutes in length, except in the case of
the prog rock/techno crossover, in which case five minutes is acceptable.
2. Anything in 4/4 is immediately disqualified.
3. The composition must contain at least three of the following
instruments: Mellotron, Hammond B-3, Moog Modular (Minimoog acceptable) or
any synth made before 1984 and weighing more than 100 lbs. Instruments must
also go out of tune after every third song.
4. Performers must be able to play in several time signatures at once, with
no one part recognizable as a singable melody.
5. A minimum of five key changes is required for each five minutes of music.
7. Try to find a beat. If you can't, it's prog rock.
8. If the composition wanders aimlessly, it's definitely either prog rock
or Dave Stewart on painkillers.
9. If anyone under the age of 30 likes it, it is not prog rock.
10. And finally, if you can dance to it, it isn't prog rock.
Steven W. Wagenheim
Roselle, New Jersey
This response is from from the Letters column in the October 1993 issue of
Keyboard:
If a band meets five or more of the following criteria, they're prog:
1. At least one member uses Greek mythology or Zen koans as lyrics - at any
rate, nobody knows what the hell the singer is talking about.
2. A typical song lasts longer than your average shower.
3. On many songs, each musician plays in an entirely different meter and/or
key.
5. The keyboardist has more synthesizers than fingers.
6. Bill Bruford was a drummer at some point.
7. Their album covers depict strange animals crawling over weird geological
formations into which blue-pigmented children have carved stairways.
8. They can sell out an arena and still have more lights on stage than
people in the audience.
9. Rolling Stone and Phil Collins would both rather burn alive than hear
this group's latest album.
Terrell Miller
Norcross, Georgia
And I can't forget Keith Emerson's reply: "It is music that does progress.
It takes an idea and develops it, rather than just repeat it ... Progressive
music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down [and] the
other way around, and explores its potential."
Dave Stewart also wrote a reply to this question, but I haven't been able to
unearth it yet.
Mike
syrinx@dreamt.org
syrinx@voicenet.com
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:36:09 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Unsubbing
Message-ID: <199605240336.UAA15471@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
>>And hey, if more jerks like you keep subscribing to the jam,
>>I just might unsub!
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Scott Cook
(another one of those grammatically incorrect jerks)
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 21:05:59 PST
From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Keyboard Timing
Message-ID: <19960523.211730.7951.5.nishiki@juno.com>
Howdy,
For the Keyboard player who can't stay in time, make him buy a metronome and tell him if you ever catch him practicing without it, you'll
kick him out of the group or kick him in the ass. This will help. I
have a similar friend. . .he's an excellent player, and he writes neat
tunes, but he tends to go all over the place harmonically. . .he used to
not be able to keep a rhythm going, he'd subconsciously start soloing after a few bars. (He's much better now. . .)
Ha' fun!
Correction Man
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:31:14 -0400
From: kain@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1572
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.5.23.-9.31.14.2916992174.293561@bbs.fgallery.com>
hey Daniel McCormack...no you're not the only jammer from PR!! Log into
file gallery bbs and you'll find there Kurt, Joel, Blade, Fade to Black
, we're ll jammer...but...only Kurt and i are subscribed cuz we tell the
others about what happens here..so we don't have to be ALL
subscribed...Blade is even getting a band together to sound like DT
so..and hey...have you heard EVE? it rocks .. later!!
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:38:04 -0400
From: kain@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1577
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.5.23.-9.38.4.2916992174.293562@bbs.fgallery.com>
Hey anyone know where i can get IAW's songbook? a friends are getting
together to become a band and they're in the line of DT..so..you
know...any hint will be appreciated
Kain
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:51:13 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This warehouse frightens me...
Message-ID: <199605240351.UAA01003@maple.enet.net>
Yo.
First of all, I would like to say that I thoroughly enjoyed the new
'Tallica song "Until It Sleeps". But, didja see the video? VERY cool.
>Anyway, Gene Hoglan proved on Death's Individual Thought Patterns that he can
>also play complex, not only fast (Dark Angel). Listen to Out Of Touch, or
>what ever it's called. BTW, has someone seen him after his diet? I have met him
>1991, I think, with Dark Angel, and he was - erm - huge. When he was sitting
>at the kit you really thought it was a children's practice kit or whatever...
>
Listen to ANY song off of Symbolic! Cept for maybe Misanthrope, but that
one rocks hard enough to make up for it. And, I have seen a recent
interview with Gene in Modern Drummer....he talked about his weight loss,
but I never saw him before. He mentioned that double bass was cake now. That
bastard is TOO FAST! :-)
>1. Is it me or is the little girl on the cover of I&W holding a miniature
> version of the mirror on the cover of Awake?
Since I&W is first, it's my guess that the mirror on the Awake version is a
big version of the little mirror that the girl was holding on the I&W cover.
>Ben Laussade looks like your typical skinhead. Looks like he has lots of
>energy so I guess it is good that he is a drummer.
Skinhead? Not I. My mom needs to get me that goat for tomorrow night's
sacrifice.
>Such a silly whim... :).
>
Bomb shelters filled to the brim.
>If you're going to use someone else's lyrics, at least have the decency to cite
>them. All of the DMB fans know that the passage is from "So Much To Say",
>from the album "Crash". I'm not asking for MLA notation, but at least give
>credit
>where it's due. I'm sure the majority of 'Jammers aren't DMB fans, so they
>wouldn't recognize the song reference. Some may even think that you actually
>came up with it, when in fact you didn't. Plagiarism isn't a good thing.
That was an extremely stupid way to brag about the fact that you know where
those lyrics came from. And, I have it written on my school binder too....am
I going to get arrested by Gilby T. and the Plagiarism Police? If I go
around singing a song do I have to tell everybody who wrote it? Sheesh.
Oh, by the way....that thing I quoted was originally stated by G.Jack Thetgyi.
<sticks out tongue and waggles fingers>
>The black album did nothing for anyone!
Nothing except get me where I am today. I would never have started drumming,
and in turn never heard of Dream Theater, and you wouldn't be graced with my
presence on this wonderful list.
>See ya - Necrobutcher
Hmmm....sounds like somebody you wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley.
Any Hawaiian Jammers?
>Q: Is James involved in writing the music?
>A. No, I don't think he ever will be, it's just because he's not a musician.
> [...] He doesn't play another instrument, so I don't think he really can
> contribute to the music...
>Q: Wasn't he a drummer?
>A: Yah... and I'm a piano player ;-)
Why does he get writers credit for all the songs, then?
>(every Metallica album is more tame than the
>last).
HA!
And, BTW...to see 'Tallica live it is obvious that they ENJOY playing songs
off of "Metallica"...so..so, THERE!
>I need help! Do any of you know of a way to
>teach a person to understand basic rythym?
Sledge hammer + head + 1 2 3 4 = good rhythm (and/or brain damage)
>There (as in "over there")
>Their (as in "their second album")
>They're (as in They're over there")
Heeheeeheehee. :-)
>Scott.
>More Waffles, Please.
I enjoyed watching Jenny thrust on "Please". :-)
>But the real news here is ID4! I saw the trailer for it before
>the film, and holy shit, this movie looks intense. If it's even one iota
>as good as the preview, it's the movie of the year hands down. ID4 looks
>like a groundbreaking film that may well be compared to Star Wars... at
>least until the new SW films arrive in 2 years. Can't wait till July 3..
I heard/saw somewhere that Will Smith was in it. ?!?! Can't be right. And,
I also heard that the new SW's will be pre-Darth Vader stuff. Coooool!
Anybody read the three Timothy Zahn SW books? Those kicked major ass.
>C'mon, Jack. Cut the crap. Metallica's Black album was
>nothing but a bunch of fucking singles. The best tune on there was "Struggle
>Within"
I HATE that song.
>Until this thread came up, I never met a Metallica fan who liked the
>Black album. I guess one man's vomit is another man's banquet.
>
One man's fun is another's hell. """""""
I say my hell is this closet I'm stuck inside.
Can't see the light.
And my heaven is a nice house in the sky.
Got central heating and I'm all right...
Big "Little Feet" Ben "Little Hands" Laussade
Little baybay!
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:23:15
From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Academy for the Rythmically Impaired
Message-ID: <199605240418.AAA10388@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>I need some help with a band situation. I just put a band together
>with some VERY good players. We are trying to write some prog metal but
>the problemn is the keyboard player. He is a VERY talented soloist, but
<snip>
>VERY difficult to write a song when a band member can't synchronize his
>tempo with the rest of the band, even in common time! We can't get past
>the opening riffs! Somebody please help!!!
here's the solution: hire me!
but seriously, it's been my experience that rythmn cannot be taught. and
you're in it even worse since you're playing progressive music. even
though he's a friend, i think you should drop the guy. you need to think
about the band first, and if one member just can't hack it, well....
Andrew
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C O M E V I S I T M Y W E B P A G E!!!!!!!!
http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage
Andrew Miller - keyboardist - SubtleRage@gnn.com
- SubtleRage (progressive rock)
- Interum (new age/prog instrumental)
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:35:56
From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: some various stuff
Message-ID: <199605240431.AAA26105@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>"Slang" by Def Leppard is actually a very good album. I really like the
>first half of the disc, then it turns into too many ballads. After Guitar
i bought this the day it came out. i think they definitely "cheesed out"
on the 2nd half of the album, but the 1st side is pretty cool i think. my
only gripe is that i don't understand why they've still got two guitar
players in the band. if you listen to that album, (at least with my ears
anyway) there just isn't alot of guitar work happening. i was actually
kinda dissapointed 'cause i wanted to hear Vivian shred a little. oh well.
i still enjoy listening to it. it's got that cool mild-industrial feel to
some of it....
***
>Two words: Carriage Return (or, if you like: enter)
>
>I can't read all your posts because they go off the screen.
Three words: Right Arrow Key! :-)
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>> I guess a lot of that whole argument
>>comes down to environment....right place right time, etc. I still think
the
>>Black album sucked biggie, though.
>
>To be truthful, I liked TBA when it first came out. Played it constantly,
>was really into it, the whole 9 yards.
is it safe to say that pre TBA, diehard Metallica fans hated TBA, and those
indifferent to their music (such as me) either liked it, or didn't mind it
too much (such as me)? i never got into Metallica, but after listening to
some of their older stuff, i can see why an older fan would not like TBA or
the new song. but i guess you old-timers are just gonna have to accept
that change happens. :)
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>dissapionted at them..i mean Lars' kit is now about a 4-5 piece piece of
>crap ..i hope this is only for the video ..even then ..it sucks.. also
i'm no drummer, but does the size of one's drum kit really matter? i've
seen jazz percussionists do stuff with just a couple 'o brushes and a ride
cymbal that made my head spin...
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C O M E V I S I T M Y W E B P A G E!!!!!!!!
http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage
Andrew Miller - keyboardist - SubtleRage@gnn.com
- SubtleRage (progressive rock)
- Interum (new age/prog instrumental)
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:55:19 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: wah, vinnie COLEEAYOOTTAA,
Message-ID: <19960524045517.AAA17783@mail.pananet.com>
>> I believe that is a wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah pedal
>
>I'm not so sure. The vowel sounds aren't as pronounced as I'd expect a
>wah-wah to sound. Also the sound isn't quite as creamy as I'd expect for
>a wah. It sounds much more "grainy". I can't think of any talkbox
I'm quite sure it isn't a talk box... he's just keeping the wah around the
middle position and moving it very slowly...instead of the typical 'wah,wah'
stye of playing (subliminal message:ladep haw-haw sih nrub tsum ttemaH kriK)
also, remember that wah's sound differently to each other, and also that the
type of distortion can affect the 'graininess' of the sound. And I can
assure you that JP's sound is very different to Hendrix's...
>> good examples of Vinnie Coaluita's playing? I'm very interested in him.
>
well he played on a couple of Frank Zappa albums...I've only heard him play
on Joe's Garage, but I haven't payed much attention to his playing. HOWEVER
on the last song (a little green rosettaaaaa) there's a part where he goes
COMPLETELY off beat (on purpose of course) and Frank starts saying/singing
stuff like 'They're really good musicians, andVinnie's not paying any
attention to the clic track, and he's going way off beat, what the hell is
he doing?but it doesn't matter cuz they're really good musicians'. Very cool
and funny stuff.
>nothing but a bunch of fucking singles. The best tune on there was "Struggle
>Within" and NOBODY without the album heard that song because all they knew was
>"Sandman", "NEM", "Wherever I May Roam"
Yeah but thoses are the people who didn't give a crap about Metallica b4 the
black album. If Metallica had sold out, I don't think they would've
released 'Sad but True' as a single. Blame MTV for there over-exposure...
Gosh what have done... i really didn't wanna talk about this... Oh well (sigh)
"OK...great, OK...listen Bert,uh...how about this one?"(this one,this
one,this one,this one, this one, etc.)
Ernie :) AVOID THE NOID!
Levadura,levadura. Dame musculatura. DURA! DURA!
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:59:15 +0200
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ID4
Message-ID: <9605240659.AA26976@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!
Mike Bahr wrote:
> But the real news here is ID4! I saw the trailer for it before
>the film, and holy shit, this movie looks intense. If it's even one iota
>as good as the preview, it's the movie of the year hands down. ID4 looks
>like a groundbreaking film that may well be compared to Star Wars... at
>least until the new SW films arrive in 2 years. Can't wait till July 3...
YES!!!!! I saw the trailer too. Unbelievable!!! The trailer has left
such a dark mood inside of me, I was just sitting there and couldn't
believe what I saw! If you're interested in getting the trailer,
have a look at http://www.hollywood.com/ They have it available there
for download. 5megs though.
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:36:34 +0100
From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1576
Message-ID: <adcb4dfc03021004b5cc@[128.178.99.18]>
>*** Reply to note of 05/22/96 22:04
>I love the way people respond to arguments on this list. If you make any
>generalization, don't put "IMHO", make figurative comments, etc. people beat
>the shit out of you as if they've never heard of language. Then if you're
>extremely precise, you'll get inverted reactions of "nitpicker", etc. I swear,
>some people reply to things just to hear themselves type. (Kinda like I'm
>doing now, though I hope a points been carried).
Carried OK, but not delivered.
Seth said:
> DT played Space Dye Vest live? (You said the played all of Awake).
>I just don't think DT or DS (Derek) would want to play a song that was sooo
>totally Moore's. Although SDV was the one song I wanted to hear most when
>I saw them live in Kansas City MO a year and a half ago. But then, I
>thought that Derek Sherinian WAS Kevin Moore with a haircut!
I imagine they played Scarred, but I wouldn't either xpect SDV to be on stage.
>Has anyone heard of vanessa Mae the violin player? Man, what a fantastic
>album! It's like industrial/dance/classical! She could do a totally
>intense duet with DT that would rock the house. Check this girl out!
So that's the SECRET!!!
DT touring with Vanessa Mae (cute girl, also...): that'll be a kick in the
ass for a lot of people!!!!!!!
Later,
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