YTSEJAM Digest 1582
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/25/96 - 18:02:42" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Deja Vu: AOL's shit (NDTC)
by Scotchman@aol.com
3) Miasma THIS.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1581
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
5) Digital Brain on Overdrive
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
6) Vanessa Mae
by napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
7) echolyn other question
by "R. Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu>
8) Internal Rhythm
by James Mohr <JPMohr@PrimeNet.Com>
9) Metallica sell-out!??
by andyp@mail.zynet.co.uk (Andy Piercy)
10) Firsts
by swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
11) beethoven vs. joe blow
by matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com>
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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 13:01:10 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/25/96 - 18:02:42" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 14:49:46 -0400
From: Scotchman@aol.com
To: Comedy Central <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Deja Vu: AOL's shit (NDTC)
Message-ID: <960525144945_120857837@emout08.mail.aol.com>
Jam 1581:
>Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 17:29:43 -0400
>From: Kdlherman@aol.com
>To: Muses and Mages <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: I Hate AOL. Beach. Choco-Behind.
Those of you familiar with the lovely little email bugs in AOL's system will
realize that I did not in fact send this message twice (as it was in Jam
1574), nor did my mom (whose account apparently got ahold of my email and
inexplicably resent it to the Jam).
Those of you who don't know, AOL obviously likes to send messages multiple
times. This, though, is the first time I've seen it come from another
account. As if I need another reason to hate this fucking service. I need a
real ISP, NOW.
Still, sorry to waste the bandwidth with the repeated message, even though it
wasn't my fault. It'll probably happen again (probably with this message
too), but there's really nothing I can do about it. Other than not posting,
ha.
Pass the crack.
Scott.
Is Fed Up
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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 12:41:34 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Miasma THIS.
Message-ID: <199605251941.MAA09593@maple.enet.net>
>Listen, boy, when 'Jammers become irate over incorrect sig. files with DT
>references, i.e. "...It's a hundred degrees I can't _breath_", or which song
>"Death is the first dance, eternal" is in, I have every right to bring up a
>valid
>point. Who's bragging? Someone replied to your sig, and it looked like
>they thought you came up with it, when you didn't. I don't care what you write
>on your teeny-bopper binder, or what you sing, but when everyone else cites
>the sources in their sigs, that's the least you can do. Take a look at Steven
>Johnson's or Daniel McCormack's sigs, for example. The "Plagiarism Police"
>are on standby alert, Benny.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> G. Jack Thetgyi
First of all, don't fucking piss all over than me because I'm younger than
you, BOY. Second of all, Ernie only replied to that because he DID know
what I was talking about and that it was from So Much To Say. Ernie replied
with: "Press play.."uh oo ee oh"" or something like that. That's how the
band counts of So Much To Say on the album. No one else said a damned thing,
nor has the band contacted me about this matter. And, as I recall, I never
once quoted somebody and my .sig and told who quoted it. Why is it only now
that you complain? Think of this as the IMHO problem...just assume that the
quote in my .sig is NOT from ME. Sheesh.
>If you read the entire post this person was trying to say that he respected
>her to a point. Not that she be ordered never to play again. Also, the
>person who wrote the music, should get some credit were credit is due! And
>to people who play in an orchestra he probably has respect for them to a
>POINT! I think that was the point of the post, right? I don't know.
>
The way that that person put it, it sounded like Vanessa Mae could be
replaced by a robot with amazing technical ability and no one would
notice...I'm sure that's not true.
Although, it would be interesting to see a CD with a huge picture of
some dorky looking dude who writes music, and in the bottom left corner in
teeny print: Performed by Vanessa Mae.
A point to ponder...
> On the other hand, Joe Blow wrote a couple of tunes to be played by a
>pretty, young, Asian prodigy. In my mind that's marketing at it's finest
(and sickest).
Is Joe Blow complaining though? I'm willing to bet that Mr. Blow got
payed quite nicely for his efforts. Even if they did tiehim to a chair and
force him to compose music, he would be pretty pissed that he got no credit
for it and go to the press, or something? And, they did give him credit in
the jacket cover somewhere, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. :-)
>However, my main complaint is this: All of the lazy listeners of Vanessa Mae
>(note that I did NOT say that all of her listeners are lazy), my parents
for example,
>have no idea that she did not write ANYTHING on her album. Therefore, they
say things
>like "Oh, she's so wonderful" thinking that she's both a fine player and
composer.
Maybe they know, and just don't care that she didn't write it
(unless they actually said that they thought she composed it, in which case,
slap me). I know that's how my parents are. They're just happy to have a CD
full of great music. If people cared who wrote songs, then there would be
almost no R+B scene. And, people would get pissed off at rappers for
looping other musicians' samples in the background. Once again, the fans of
those two categories are just grateful for the music. And, if it's a good
composer, recognition for writing wouldn't be his/her main goal...giving
music to the masses would be, and the composer succeeded rather
impressively, dontcha think?
Thank you, and goodnight.
I say my hell is this closet I'm stuck inside.
Can't see the light.
And my heaven is a nice house in the sky.
Got central heating and I'm all right...
Big "Little Feet" Ben "Little Hands" Laussade
Little baybay!
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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 15:13:31
From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1581
Message-ID: <199605252008.QAA29661@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>I don't think so...
>
>Sorry to single you out Andy - a few other people have said that rhythm
>can't be taught.
>But it was only after your post that I decided to say something...
remember, in my post i said *in my experience* rythmn can't be taught,
meaning i've never seen it happen.
i think it's cool that you were able to improve yourself as a musician.
i've simply never seen anyone with no rythmic ability turn themselves
around and start wailin' in alternative time sigs. but hey, i never said
it *couldn't* happen. i guess it all depends on what Seth's patience is
like, and how much work his keyboardist really needs.
seeya
Andrew
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C O M E V I S I T M Y W E B P A G E!!!!!!!!
http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage
Andrew Miller - keyboardist - SubtleRage@gnn.com
- SubtleRage (progressive rock)
- Interum (new age/prog instrumental)
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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 16:44:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Digital Brain on Overdrive
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605251654.B4429-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Just felt like typing a bit, bear with me...
> From: Steven Thum <sthum@sunflowr.usd.edu>
> Subject: DT & Rush tour?
>
> Got a message from a friend who said that there is a possibility that
> Dream Theater and Rush may tour together in the fall/winter. Supposedly,
> the management of both bands are talking.
Now that DT's album is being pushed back even more, I doubt it. :(
> Steve Thum
> IRC's POWRSTEVE
Tell me why I had to be a Powersteve...
----> From: Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@CompuServe.COM> > Subject: Officer Miasma > > the sources in their sigs, that's the least you can do. Take a look at Steven > Johnson's or Daniel McCormack's sigs, for example. The "Plagiarism Police" > are on standby alert, Benny.
Yes, I think Dan's .sig is a fine example. :)
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> From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> > Subject: Jammers in Arizona for Uncle Dave > > Go Suns! Coyotes! Diamondbacks! And Cardinals, God Help Us. > > - voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - durnik@indirect.com -
What's that about the Suns and Cards, and involuntary vomiting? :)
Ah, only another 4 months till football season...
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> From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) > Subject: Myung and Iha > > This is only my opinion, but I think the reason Myung and Iha are > making money is because they are great musicians in great bands and > don't walk around promoting the fact that thery're "minorities." Jimi > Hendrix is an example of this too. I've read and seen interviews of > Hendrix, and I don't remember him ever talking about all the struggles > he had being a black man in rock and roll. Bottom line, he was a > telented musician playing incredible music, and that's all that > matters.
I think that's a valid point. The fact that they don't advertise that they're different, or that they have a niche or a gimmick, allows their audiences to focus on the music. You'll excuse me, as I go focus on that break in Metropolis again.
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> From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu> > Subject: Trevor Rabin to do score for the next Steven Seagal movie > > Well, my subject says it all, but according to the Yes list, that's his > next thing.
Here's a question. Why do they bother to give Seagal's movies titles? I can never remember which title is for which movie. They should just call them "Steven Seagal in Brooklyn," "Steven Seagal in a Coma," "Steven Seagal on a Boat" ...
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> From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net> > Subject: Digital-man > > Well hello there boys and girls!!!!
Hi Mithritlith... mirthmill... mistymithly... Hi John!
> Wedge got into DT, I just found it rather ironic. He had always loved Rush, > and rightfully so, but now he loved DT also. I just like to look back now > and have a good laugh about it. No Chris, don't go selling all your DT > stuff, we all still love you, and we'll even let you post once in a while.
<sniff> Thanks, man.
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> From: tormato@allinux1.alliance.net (Jeremy Hyde) > Subject: 1991 MTV awards > > Hey, I taped that one!!! I can remember when they were coming back from the > break and Metallica was on stage playing Led Zeppelin's "How Many More > Times!" It probably had to be THE BEST eMpTyV video music awards (apart
Oh, I remember the Snakepit tour when they played a teaser of that. That was cool. I also remember being close enough to the stage that James yelled back when I yelled at him. And I yelled to Jason that he sucked and he almost fell down the stairs! What a show!
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BTW, I recently spoke to the Mystical Crackhead Groove Thing himself, Dave the Magical Kobayashi. He told me to give a big "Peace Out!" to all the funky brain-hurters on the list, and that he'll probably be back when he's done with the LSAT's.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 00:12:29 -0500 From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vanessa Mae Message-ID: <v01510100adcc54af8496@[204.71.98.31]>
Hiya, I'm just here to clarify my points on Vanessa Mae. I do NOT like her because she is cute! coincidentally, I do not like Tori Amos becausae she plays with her breasts, and unlike several jammers I have NEVER choked the chicken while listening ti "Icicle" (I don't think tha6t Tori is all that gorgeous really, but I dated a girl that looked very similar to Tori once, she was a real bitch so maybe I'm transfering). I like them because they play well. I don't care if she doesn't write the songs because she is a violin player, and most violin players don't perform original pieces (most classical muscians do not perform original pieces.). I don't care that she is Asian, or cute, or Virginal, or can make me cum with her earlobes. I care because the music is enjoyable. The music is simply a fresh variation on an old piece. Hell, Bach and Mozart stole half their melodies from church hymns. I don't care if Vanessa is packages to sell. So is a hersheys candybar. If my Hersheys wasn't packed for my protection I wouldn't eat the danm thing (just like I wouldn't buy an L7 4 track demo for the price of a regular CD. Damn, don't look at the linear notes, push the play button. MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC!!!!!!!
Sorry.
Cheers and Sobie, opus, and Scoob to you all ;-)
napkins@clandjop.com Seth Hatlelid
"I have to do a research paper on teen suicide. Now all I have to do is decide wether I'm for it or against it!"
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Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 22:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "R. Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: echolyn other question Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960525223933.44833H-100000@homer28.u.washington.edu>
here's another echolyn question, but this is one to which I don't know the answer:
in 'settled land,' one passage is as follows:
I've seen Wickersham Brothers And Beezle Nut Oil, they'd love to try and boil you Taggarts, Tooheys, Healots galore Swearing "we'll never screw you"
I know who the Taggarts and Tooheys are (the villians in Ayn Rand's 'Atlas Shrugged' and 'The Fountainhead,' respectively), but who are the others?
also, On Wed, 22 May 1996, someone claiming to be Ed Reed wrote:
> Btw: I can fly... I really can.
oh yeah? well, I am what I have learn'd to hate.
chris
-------------------http://weber.u.washington.edu/~pass------------------- how sublime a thing it is l r.christopher hailey to suffer and be strong l l pass@u.washington.edu enchant 'catharsis' l __ _.. _. _ .. .
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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 02:03:16 -0700 (MST) From: James Mohr <JPMohr@PrimeNet.Com> To: ytsejam@ax.com, napkins@clandjop.com Subject: Internal Rhythm Message-ID: <199605260903.CAA04440@primenet.com>
At 12:14 AM 5/23/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:36:26 -0500 >From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1573 >Message-ID: <v01510100adc97eb47c3f@[204.71.98.32]>
> I need some help with a band situation. I just put a band together >with some VERY good players. We are trying to write some prog metal but >the problemn is the keyboard player. He is a VERY talented soloist, but he >has never played in a duet much less a band. The net result is his timing >is atrocious. He will actively ignore the drummer/bass(me)/metronome. We >have tried for some time to teach him to feel the kick drum, but he can't >grasp the concept of tempo. I need help! Do any of you know of a way to >teach a person to understand basic rythym? I've never seen our drummer get >so angry! I don't want to replace the keyboard player because he is a good >friend, but if he can't get the beat I'll have to drop him. It makes it >VERY difficult to write a song when a band member can't synchronize his >tempo with the rest of the band, even in common time! We can't get past >the opening riffs! Somebody please help!!!
It sounds like he doesn't have internal rythym. One of my friends is an incredible soloist on the xylophone, marimba, snare drum, and various other percussion instruments, and he has the same problem. He's been in the band program in public school for 5 years and has taken private lessons at a *great* music "school" called Mcphale <sp?> here in Minneapolis for 2-3 years, but he still can't match with the band perfectly. He can keep a steady pace when playing alone but needs to watch the conductor and tap his foot along with the hand motions to stay with the rest of the band. He's getting better, but not much. Being able to "feel" the beat is something that can't be taught. You either can or you can't. I've known several other people like this, and they've since quit the band program because of frustration. I'm not saying your keyboardist has this "problem"--it's just my guess. Have you tried getting one of those metronomes that have a light that flashes for each beat? You could use it while playing loud music, and it could help some. I remember reading an interview with Petrucci in a guitar mag where he said playing with a metronome is a must for musicians.
--James
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1992 18:27:36 GMT From: andyp@mail.zynet.co.uk (Andy Piercy) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metallica sell-out!?? Message-ID: <mE2891D3E@mail.zynet.co.uk>
Hi Jammers. No DT content, just my 2p worth on the Metallica debate.
The discussions about whether Metallica have "sold out" and deserted their hard-core metal-head fans is ridiculous IMHO. As a band progresses they (hopefully) change and grow; absorbing influences and perfecting their songwriting and musicianship - something that I'm sure DT will do.
I got into Metallica around spring '92 and bought the Black album first. Now I know some Metalli-fans out there will say that I'm just another 'so-called' fan who liked ..Sandman and thought he'd buy the album, but I've since bought the back catalogue and Live Shit.., etc. I love their music AND their integrity. Metallica are like Rush in that they stick to their guns and do what THEY BELEIVE IS RIGHT.
Those people who don't like the new single (and Load, when it's released) should quit moaning about it and find something else they do like. I'm certainly looking forward to hearing the new material.
All comments/flames greatfully received :->
--
Andy
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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 09:18:16 -0600 From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Firsts Message-ID: <199605261518.JAA16418@henge.com>
I guess I'm pretty late, but since we're talking about firsts, mine was Tracy Largumas. It was so WI.... oops, wrong mailing list.
Real firsts of everyone in the room with me.
Mine: First tape: Monkees, Live 1967 First Vynil: Bruce Springsteen, Born In the USA First CD: UB40, Live in Moscow
Dean:(freeloading drummer with no internet access) First tape: FNM, THe Real Thing(really the Monkees or NKOTB but he won't admit it) First 8-track: BB King, The Best Of... First CD: Red Hot Chili Peppers, What Hits.
Mike:(bass/keyboardist with other "obligations") First tape: NKOTB(he admits it) First CD: U2, Live at the Buttplug Convention(obviously internet subscribers) First vynil: Alvin and the Chipmunks, We Hit Higher Notes than James LaBrie, The Sequel,(No, seriuosly. Geddy Lee guest stars on The Killing Hand)
Ryan and Randy Strecker:(please kill them) First tape: Crown, THE demo First CD: Nirvana(They bought them all at once and sold them when they became "TRENDY") First Vynil: Pearl Jam(Remember when THAT was a trend!!!..;) First 8-track: "8-tracks are TRENDY!!!!!?"
Later, Orpheus
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Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 10:50:22 -0500 From: matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: beethoven vs. joe blow Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960526155022.006a2768@mailbox.neosoft.com>
>because I'm a huge fan of orchestral classical music. So here >goes: those two situations are completely different. Beethoven >wrote his 9th Symphony. It was destined to get performed because >he had built a solid reputation as being a magnificent >composer. On the other hand, Joe Blow wrote a couple of tunes >to be played by a pretty, young, Asian prodigy. In my mind that's >marketing at it's finest (and sickest).
there was a time, my friend, when mr. beethoven was but an average "joe blow" himself. i hardly think that it's fair to condemn a composer or arranger simply because he is not widely known. that's just like the idiots who say dream theater suck because they aren't in the top 40. we know that's ludicrous, so don't sink down to their level. bottom line: if you don't like what vanessa mae plays, don't listen to it, but certainly don't condemn an arranger or composer simply because of a lack of name recognition. that's silly, not to mention rather unartistic.
as for marketing, welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. that's why they call it the music *business* and that's why so many record labels are willing to exploit the musician to make that money. if you don't want to look at shameless music marketing, then i suggest that you bury your head in the sand, because that's simply the nature of the business. i don't like it either, but you've just got to deal with it, especially if you are a musician yourself. it's just a sad reality.
>But I can't leave without saying that the reason that we all love >DT is because they are fabulous players and they write great songs. >I don't know about you, but I would feel a little guilty about liking >the guys if I found out that someone else was writing all those cool >tunes. Sheesh back atcha.
maybe, but it would still take trmendous talent just to play the stuff, don't you think. james doesn't write all of the lyrics he sings. does that make him less of a vocalist? please. neither does elton john, but nobody denies that he's a great musician and a pretty good singer and writes great songs, whether you like his music or not. i mean, dt pay homage to him also. whether someone writes their own material or not, execution is a large part of achieving the finished product.
well, this was fun. i expect i'll be hearing from some of you very soon... ;)
p.s.-- i have tried to condense my message so that none of you would have to go to the unnecessary and undoubtedly painful trouble of having to hit the right arrow key... ;) just kidding.
later, matt. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ m a t t r o s i n S U R R E A L I T Y dark ethereal music ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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