YTSEJAM Digest 1587
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Fates Warning!
by HowWee@aol.com
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1574
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
3) Bach to bassics!
by napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
4) CRATE G80XL/Chris Martin
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
5) non DT/ KISS reunion
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1583
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
7) Napalm Death
by jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
8) Fates Warning/Kyuss (RIP)
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
9) Edge of Sanity
by Ivan-Assen Ivanov <III@vmei.acad.bg>
10) Musicians...
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
11) ONE DUMBASS AND HIS AUDACITY (SP?)
by Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
12) YtseCon III
by Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
13) problems
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
14) Jim Matheos CD
by "J. Frasch" <lrc152@clc.cc.il.us>
15) Captain Beyond and Pat Travers
by gsrockr@en.com (George Szumski)
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1583
by James Mohr <JPMohr@PrimeNet.Com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1583
by James Mohr <JPMohr@PrimeNet.Com>
18) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/30/96 - 02:22:51" <response@ibmmail.com>
19) The Land of Rhythm
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:26:19 -0400
From: HowWee@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates Warning!
Message-ID: <960528182618_544230928@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Parallels
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 08:59:04 +1000 (EST)
From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1574
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960528124219.18482B-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
> never came close to the masterpiece of Rust in Peace. As to the person who
> said that most death metal is easy to play, I believe that he is correct.
> MOST death metal is very easy to play. Cannibal corpse, Morbid Angel,
> Obituary are fairly simple riff oriented slop. I do agree that Death is
> more complex than most death metal, and displays some moments of great
> musicianship-it's just not that complex compared to what I listen to (DT,
Who ever said this did not know what they were talking about!!
What instrument were they referring to? I'm sure alot of people would
find it really easy to play a gig doing continuous double kicks a la
MORBID ANGEL. By the way MORBID ANGEL are not fairly simple riff oriented
slop - maybe you sure first listen to one of their albums (especially
Domination) and check out the arrangements for yourself. It is not an
easy task to play really fast for the majority of the time. Morbid Angel
have one of the best guitartists and drummers in metal. And some of
CANNIBAL CORPSE's material has a fast, technical edge to it too - check
out Tomb of the Mutilated or The Bleeding. Finally - who said that a song
has to be complex to be good?
> exception in death metal (I'm still not fond of them, I'm trying to give
> symbolic away but after hearing it 7 people won't take it, but I can
> respect their playing ability (I'm not at all impressed with the bass
> player from Symbolic, but the drummer is excellent, the guitars are decent
> in solos, pretty good at rythyms, terrible songwriting, horrible vocals,
> and IMHO substandard lyrics). If anyone wants my copy of Symbolic and is
> willing to trade something for it, or simply pay all the postage, it's
I'll have your cd if you like dude - that's if someone else
hasn't already claimed it - I'll happily pay the postage! E-mail me!
See ya - Brenden
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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:14:40 -0500
From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bach to bassics!
Message-ID: <v01510101add024f38d53@[204.71.98.39]>
Hiya,
Seth wrote:
>
>> fresh variation on an old piece. Hell, Bach and Mozart stole half their
>> melodies from church hymns. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>With all due respect, Seth, you can in no way justify this statement.
>This is simply a
>myth that continues to be propagated. If you walk into your local
>Lutheran church and
>flip through the hymnal, you'll probably find that more than half of the
>hymns were set
>to music BY Bach.
Actually, it was very common for classical composers to rework
other peoples pieces. Church hymns WERE used often (as quoted in my
college muisc theory class, which was unfortunatly rented, not purchased,
or I would use the examples from the book) as a BASIS for classical
melodies. Classical composers even reworked each other's pieces in order
to "improve" upon them. It is not uncommon for modern rock songs to borrow
the melodies of other songs to create a new song. For example, Sting uses
Prokofiev's Lieutenant Kij=E9 Suite as the melody of a section of "Russians.=
"
Savatage used Beethoven's pieces in "Dead Winter Dead". Mozart's students
reworked Mozart's pieces (Requiem). Dream Theater using the Wheel of
=46ortune theme.
The Lutherian church (whose hymns are Catholic in origin) does use
Bach's name on many of the hymns because the Catholic church commissioned
Bach to compose AND transcribe church pieces. The secular music had never
been written down so Bach took certain pieces and 'added his own flavor to
it". Same melody, differnt harmony/counterpoint=3D different song. This ha=
s
been a well known fact and has been taught in every music theory course
that I have been presented. I hope I properly justified my statement.
Excuse me, but Beethoven was not an average "joe blow". His
playing impressed Bach (who was already held in high favor by the
courtisians) so much that Bach wanted to take on Beethoven as an aprentice.
Unfortuneatly, Bach up and died befor he could take on Mr. average child
prodgidy beethoven so Beethoven studied under another highly favored German
composer (the name escapes me). He was about as average as Michael
Crawford!
Anyway, just my humble opinions and useless tidbits of trivia.
Can't wait for it to warm up so I can hit the lakes at a gallop!
Cheers!
napkins@clandjop.com
Seth Hatlelid
"I have to do a research paper on teen suicide. Now all I have to do is
decide wether I'm for it or against it!"
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:50:30 +1000 (EST)
From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CRATE G80XL/Chris Martin
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960529094907.23329F-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
I know I've posted this before but if anyone on this list owns a
CRATE G80XL could you please contact me!!!
Also - does anyone on this list know Chris Martin? Please e-mail me.
See ya - Brenden
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:51:56 +1000 (EST)
From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: non DT/ KISS reunion
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960529095035.23329G-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
Is anyone on this list going to any of the KISS Reunion shows -
they have been selling like hot cakes. Just curious!!!
Also - what do people think of their guitartist ( or the
personwho was) Bruce Kulick, playing-wise?
See ya - Brenden
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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 23:53:35 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1583
Message-ID: <31ab8d05.10489576@mail.inforamp.net>
Hiya folks,
Are any of you aware of the existence of alternate studio
versions/demos of any of the tracks on the albums. This would not
include edits for eMpTyV or versions which appear on Mike Bahr's CDs.
No offense intended Mike. I love SUB and AD.
I have the Take The Time demo from the TSM single and wondered
if there might be anything else like that floating around.
BTW, has anyone heard if there is to be any touring prior to
the recording of the new record? Since Kevin Gilbert was to produce
and recently passed away, the album is likely to appear in the distant
future. Hopefully, DT will take pity on us in the interim. Forgive me
if this sounds petty, but I've never seen these guys and, as far as
I'm aware, they haven't played Toronto since 1994 when the infamous
"Bad Back Jam" occurred. I wonder if the chiropractor who worked on
Mike's back was touring with them? If not, there's a guy out there
somewhere whose claim to fame is cracking Mike Portnoy's spine! :)
As far as guessing "The Secret" is concerned, I think that DT
will be releasing an OFFICIAL live video from the AWAKE tour or an
OFFICIAL release of the Ronnie Scotts show. Failing that, my guess
would be that Kevin has been signed to a major label. Well, what about
it Mr. Bahr? Was I close?
>Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 03:15:13 -0400
>From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Is anybody out there .....
>Message-ID: <199605270715.DAA29149@wicked.stigmata.org>
>
>
>Skadz
>
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OK. I have to cry foul here! A one word post and Skadz gets an
EOJ!?!!
Oh! The humanity.....
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 20:48:20 -0400
From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Napalm Death
Message-ID: <199605290047.UAA21953@gold.interlog.com>
A person I know who knows alot about music is telling me about this
great band: Napalm Death. He claims that they are JL and JP's favorite
band. He can't explain to me their music, so I was wondering if any jammers
are familiar with this band, and if it is worth buying. Also i am surprised
that it is JL and JP's fav band. I was expecting something different.
Please help...
Michelob
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Date: Wed, 29 May 96 11:04:25 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Fates Warning/Kyuss (RIP)
Message-ID: <9605290904.AA00257@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
this may already have been mentioned on the jam, but a lot of you are into
Fates Warning and I picked this info up while surfing the web today. The
information is dated May 9th:
"US prog-metal band Fates Warning has recruited former Armored Saint bassist
Joey Vera as their new guitarist after the departed Frank Aresti. Vera was also once offered the job as the new bass player in Metallica after Cliff Burton's
tragic death..."
Just thought some of you might like to know.
Does anybody know anything about the new band of ex-Kyuss frontman John Garcia?
The band is called Slo-Burn and started gigging in California. Are there plans
for an album, do they have a record contract etc? Any news on the other guys
from the band? Every scrap of information gratefully accepted.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Nick Cave - Murder Ballads
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:54:50 +0300 (MET-DST)
From: Ivan-Assen Ivanov <III@vmei.acad.bg>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Edge of Sanity
Message-ID: <833363691.570000.III@vmei.acad.bg>
Something I came across a few days ago (and still can't take it out of
the stereo): an album called "Crimson" by a Scandinavian band called
"Edge of Sanity". I had already heard some of their older discs, and
wasn't particularly charmed, but this is something completely different.
What drew my attention was the back of the cover: the song list
looked like this:
Crimson 40:00
and instead there was a short poetic text, introducing the listener
into the spirit of the music - kinda like Peter Gabriel's poems-in-prose
in the early Genesis albbums. The music itself is breath-taking,
multilayered and elaborate. You can't possible take grasp of all the
details from the first few times you hear it. I still keep rediscovering
new themes and variations after 20+ hearings. The vocal is a decent growl,
not like Chuck Schuldinger's high-pitched scream (which doesn't really
appeal to me).
Strongly recommended for fans of the heaviest reaches of prog-metal.
cu.
Assen
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:15:16 +0200 (MESZ)
From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
Subject: Musicians...
Message-ID: <9605291415.AA13698@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
WARNING: This message has DTC!
[Multi-quote following]
>>> Q: Wasn't he a drummer?
>>> A: Yah... and I'm a piano player ;-)
>>Was Portnoy being sarcastic here (as if he were responding to a rumor)
>>or not? I couldn't tell for sure, and I've never heard of him playing
>>anything but the drums.
>
>No, see that winking smiley face after Mike's quote - that means that
>he was dead serious! ;^)
Absolutely... No, he really plays piano, guitar and everything, but he knows
that he's best on drums. James was indeed drumming a bit before he
concentrated on vocals. I was thinking of that when Mike said James does not
play an instrument, I just wanted to confuse him a bit, but no chance ;-)
>Why does he get writers credit for all the songs, then?
Everyone in Dream Theater gets credits for the music. That's it.
>Mike Portnoy mentioned Bob Rock as a possible producer for DT`s new album
>in an interview some weeks ago!
That wouldn't be THAT bad, because Rock is one of the producers who just
gives the band the sound they want, and not the sound HE wants...
Just think of Purdell/Baron. Imagine you just knew that they had produced
Heart. You'd think immediately, they would produce a sell-out-DT-album.
They produced Awake instead, and they did a HELL of a good job!
Steffen
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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 23:29:23 -0700 (MST)
From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
To: ALL THE YTSEJAMERS <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ONE DUMBASS AND HIS AUDACITY (SP?)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960528231342.20104A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
some dumbass at trails (i don't know if this only a chain of stores in
arizona but anyways it is a store that sells pipes, shirts, chains,
posters, leather, etc.) told me that dt's music was "emotionally lacking"
(yeah, right!!!). however, his colleague said that dt was her second
favorite group (first: rage against the machine) and that shes _loves_
them. after speaking with her, dumbass says "uh....yeah....like they
have a few albums before that one you mentioned (wdadu)..." i looked at
him the same way you look at a dog when he EATS HIS SHIT and thought:
you know, is he just dicking with me or is he telling the truth? is this
true jammers? am i more ignorant than a dumbass?
btw, the nice lady who APPRECIATES dt said that she filled out an order
for some dt stuff (shirts, stickers, etc.). if she is able to get this
stuff then this will be the first ANYTHING i have seen that is about dt
in any store i have been to in my life. never shop on mill in downtown
tempe for dt stuff: you will find NOTHING and get a stupid look
accompanied with the most common answer i get: "who?"
maybe there are just more dumbasses than i figured.
"She can turn a drop of water into an ocean"
---Dream Theater
The Music and The Man Behind it:
EYE OF THE VORTEX
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:14:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YtseCon III
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93L.960529120520.28993B-100000@labdien.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! What's up? Anyways, the prices are in for the YtseCon III!!
First of all, the YtseCon III will take place at the La Guardia Marriot,
which means that those of you whoa re flying in won't have a hard time
getting to the hotel!
Anyways, the date has been set to October 12th, in the afternoon from 1-5.
The prices for those of you who are staying at the hotel will be $99/room
per night. This is the same price as the first YtseCon, so I'm really
happy with the price considering the location of the hotel! I'm sure that
a bunch of you will be rooming with each other, that's cool! However, I
need to know how many of you will be taking a room. Can you please e-mail
Chris Merlo at cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu to let him know that you plan to take a
room?
Also, the admission price for the YtseCon will be $17 per person. This
will cover the cost of the conference room.
If any of you have any questions at all, feel free to e-mail me at
jc309@columbia.edu. Please get back to us VERY SOON if you plan to take a
room! Anyways, I'll talk to you guys soon!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*>
<*> Columbia University <*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*>
"Aladdin! You just won the heart of the princess! What are
you gonna do next?" --- Genie, Disney's Aladdin
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:30:27 +0500
From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: problems
Message-ID: <9605291730.AA11881@jason.qc.ca>
the ytsejam is it in some lack of power
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:53:10 CST
From: "J. Frasch" <lrc152@clc.cc.il.us>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jim Matheos CD
Message-ID: <617B3F4076@isc01.clc.cc.il.us>
Do any of you know anything about the Jim Matheos CD called "First
Impressions?" Is it all instrumental? Thanx...
Julie
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:44:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: gsrockr@en.com (George Szumski)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Captain Beyond and Pat Travers
Message-ID: <199605292244.SAA13486@en.com>
Yes, I do listen to classic rock at times. If you like hard rocking (not
borderline metal) get yourself some of Pat Travers early stuff. Putting It
Straight was one of his better releases. Crash and Burn was another good
one. I know what you are thinking, "Didn't he do a song called 'Boom, Boom,
Out go the lights?'. Yes, he did. It was on a live album called Go For
What You Know. Run out and buy it. Put on your Koss headphones and turn it
up!!!!
More on Captain Beyond. I have gotten 2 personal e-mails from fellow
jammers about CB. It turns out that there were 3 releases. I only new of
the first 2. If you are feeling adventuous, go out and try to find some of
their stuff. It will be worth it.
Bafu Vai (required content)
Talk to you on the IRC, George. On with the jam....
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If you see me driving sideways...wave.
Never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly.
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:47:30 -0700 (MST)
From: James Mohr <JPMohr@PrimeNet.Com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, sthum@sunflowr.usd.edu
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1583
Message-ID: <199605300047.RAA05558@primenet.com>
At 10:10 AM 5/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 00:12:57 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Steven Thum <sthum@sunflowr.usd.edu>
>To: ystejam@ax.com
>Subject: South Dakota DT fans?
>
>Recently, someone asked a question about Arizona DT fans (ytsejammers),
>mainly, if there were any out there. Mike Bahr did manage to have a list
>of names to reassure this person.
>
>Well, I am curious to know if there are any other DT fans in South
>Dakota. Or Nebraska, or Iowa, or Minnesota (these states are relatively
>close to me).
>
>I'd like to hear from you if you are out there. Contact me at
>sthum@sunflowr.usd.edu
>
>Later all
Hey, I'm from MN! What more can I say... A group of ppl at my school
at my school likes DT also.
--James
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:47:33 -0700 (MST)
From: James Mohr <JPMohr@PrimeNet.Com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1583
Message-ID: <199605300047.RAA05580@primenet.com>
At 10:10 AM 5/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 03:15:13 -0400
>From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Is anybody out there .....
>Message-ID: <199605270715.DAA29149@wicked.stigmata.org>
>
>
>Skadz
>
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Hey, what the krunk is this? (!!!)
--James
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:21:17 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/30/96 - 02:22:51" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199605300121.SAA25595@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 01:21:13 GMT on 30 May 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL.
Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped.
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:36:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Land of Rhythm
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605292112.B14387-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
> Subject: to Dave from Dave
>
> Sorry but I think this is outright racism. You mean that there are NO pro
> players out there that were born without a natural sense of rhythm and
> learnt it later??? So if you ain't got it from start, don't even bother
[etc... etc... etc...]
> time to progress. The progress of the band should always prevail, but an
> "If he can't he never will" attitude is one of outright exclusion
> and...racism.
What sort of wack-assed dictionary are you using? Racism? Are you
merely trying to draw attention to your posts (as if sheer magnitude
wasn't getting the job done), or are you as dumb as you come off? Look,
the guy's not running a country, he's not hiring a secretary, he's
trying to decide whether to keep his friend in his band. That's a tough
place to be in. Been there? I have. With a few different friends.
You know what? I kicked 'em all out (some twice), and we're all still
friends. And not because I'm Irish/Italian, either, but because we all
came to grips with the art that we practice.
English, motherfu... oh, never mind.
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cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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