YTSEJAM Digest 1590
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/30/96 - 12:45:44" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) D-Man is a court jester; news at 11!
by Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
3) Question.
by QALA32B@prodigy.com (MR GARY C BROWN)
4) Rhythm
by CNG@tcco.com
5) Top Ten Guitarists
by CNG@tcco.com
6) DT's Iron Maiden influences
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
7) Siners & Websters
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
8) flames and such
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
9) Ronnie Scotts Gig
by majesty <majesty@li.net>
10) Lie lyrics
by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
11) Ytsecon III Attendees List
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
12) JP clinic in Boston, 6-18-96!!!!
by The One They Call Wacky <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
13) various NDTC/racism? no, idiocy
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
14) a request for info...
by Maraya007@aol.com
15) (U)Sorry.....
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
16) Zombies, Phasers, Musicians
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 07:44:15 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/30/96 - 12:45:44" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:05:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: D-Man is a court jester; news at 11!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960530080008.25849A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Howdy. A few things.
1: The new CD's. I've gotten the new King's X and Soundgarden, and i was
impressed by them both. With the King's X, it's more of a _gretchen goes
to nebraska_ feel, which i happen to like. They all sing on this one,
and there's something for everyone. The Soundgarden i like better than
_Superunknown_, and it'll take some time for it to grow on me.
D-Man: You're my jester. Get used to it. =)
I was listening to Rush's Presto yesterday, and i've figured that i like
the disc, preferably alot better than i thought i did. Put on
Superconductor. The fucker rocks.
Bafu, Bafu, Bafu! <Mike watches as Bafugeist appears>
Syrinx has spoken, so it shall be law.
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:29:50, -0500
From: QALA32B@prodigy.com (MR GARY C BROWN)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Question.
Message-ID: <199605301329.JAA13294@mime2.prodigy.com>
-- [ From: Gary Brown * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
Yo Everyone,I just picked up D.T.'s"When Dream And Day Unite".I've been
seeing it for a while,but was to cheap to pay the 20 or 30 dollars for
it.While looking for Steve Howe's "Homebrew",I came across it for
$8.99.Not a bad deal.I noticed it was on One Way Records.For those Yes
fans,this is the label you can find some old Peter Banks releases.
Anyway,after listening I figured out how this deal got it's name-
YTSE JAM-awesome song by the way.My question is:What's up with this
Charlie Dominici guy doing the vocals?I started getting into D.T. when
I.and W. came out.I always read that was the first release from this
band,and still do on here from time to time.Looks like it's time for a
history lession.For those wanting to talk about the band,I guess this
might be the time to start doing so.For myself,I'm kinda new to this
deal.The good old talks about this great band on here,looks like it's
been done to many times before.Hope someone has interest to get back on
this. Hanging
in Houston Town-G.B.
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Date: Thu, 30 May 96 10:11:35 EDT
From: CNG@tcco.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rhythm
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+njOflA@tcx.tcco.com>
I tend to agree with the person who wrote that rhythm can not be taught. I
took three years of music in college before I realized...I better head for the
computer courses! You can teach someone to become "mechanical" with a
metronome, but some people just have that...groove....where they can just feel
it and jam along to whatever the time signature is.
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Date: Thu, 30 May 96 10:40:53 EDT
From: CNG@tcco.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Top Ten Guitarists
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+27PflA@tcx.tcco.com>
Lets start a new string... Who are your favorite guitarists?
1 - Yngwie Malmsteen
2 - John Petrucci
3 - Marty Friedman
4 - Paul Gilbert
5 - Alex Skolnick
6 - Dave Mustaine
7 - David T Chastain
8 - Joe Satriani
9 - Tony MacAlpine
10 - George Lynch (5 years ago - he was my favorite!)
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:14:00 -500 (EST)
From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT's Iron Maiden influences
Message-ID: <31ADBBA0.B99D.3107.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
I know it's almost heresy to counteract something that Bafu said...
But, I don't know where you got DT saying that they've never heard of
Iron Maiden. I remember reading an article with John Petrucci in
some guitar magazine. The article was where they played songs for a
guest guitarist, and the person talked about it.
For JP, they played some Rush, some other stuff I can't remember, and
a Maiden song. I remember him saying something like he liked it
growing up, or something. Anybody have that article laying around??
Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:34:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Siners & Websters
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960530083241.160205A-100000@homer28.u.washington.edu>
> From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
> Subject: stuff
>
> Bafu Rocks.
Uh... Thanks. :)
---- > From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com> > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1564 > > Siners can be musicians. Yes the voice is a musical instrument.Okay, I'll give you that, but what about cosiners? I don't mean to go off on a tangent here, but you really don't have enough slices to make a full pi with that theory.
---- > From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> > Subject: Let's not start this again. > > A rapper is a cross between a poet and a drummer.
Well somebody call up Webster's. We have ourselves an induction. :)
>>A simple four-step process to expand your initial feelings of rage when >>someone flames you on the Internet: > > Bafu? Joe? > Well, jammers...one of them is lying.
"One of us always tells the truth, and one of us always lies." --Labyrinth
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:36:46 From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: flames and such Message-ID: <199605301631.MAA11664@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>I perfectly understood what you fucking said, man. What I don't get is >what you're getting hot about. If you're gonna take everything on the jam >so seriously and to heart you won't last long. And BTW, I don't keep track >of who posts what.
[snip]
>Dave King
i just wanted to let you jammers know that i'm taking this to private email. there's no sense wasting bandwidth on this.
Andrew ================================================== C O M E V I S I T M Y W E B P A G E!!!!!!!! http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage Andrew Miller - keyboardist - SubtleRage@gnn.com - SubtleRage (progressive rock) - Interum (new age/prog instrumental) ==================================================
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:00:10 -0400 (EDT) From: majesty <majesty@li.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ronnie Scotts Gig Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960530125110.5929A-100000@linet01>
D-man wrote: > There have been rumors floating about of someone > having that whole Ronnie Scotts' on tape somewhere, but I'm not sure if > they're anything more than rumors.
I know the tape does exist, basically because I have it. :)
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:32:59 -0700 From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lie lyrics Message-ID: <v02140b04add387ad62be@[128.95.235.96]>
So, I'm sitting here programming away, listening to "Awake". I'm in the zone--solid code spews from my fingertips. Suddenly, I'm stopped cold by a bit of lyrical "insight" I don't think I've seen mentioned on the 'Jam before:
You tell me 'bout your two more coming but once is just enough for me
from "Lie". Others have suggested children--"twins on the way, but they're not mine". But this sounds like she's saying, "you still owe me two more out of three promised/owed." It doesn't answer _what_ is owed (although the crass side of me wants to say 'orgasm').
Hmm.. now the entire song takes on a tone of someone looking back on a one-night stand that they regret either just because he feels ashamed, or the person turned out to not want it be a "no strings attached" event. "Mirror" is him wallowing in his shame, and "Lie" is the flashback.
Whoa. I don't usually analyze lyrics even this much. I wonder what those songs will mean to me next week. Anyway, back to programming, where I _know_ what things mean.
pg
----------------------------+---------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "Reality is that which when you pgor@netcom.com | stop believing in it, | it still exists." - P.K. Dick ----------------------------+----------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:42:27 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu> Subject: Ytsecon III Attendees List Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605301340.A22661-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Please check this for accuracy. It's getting to be crunch time, so we're going to have to know fairly soon. :)
***IMPORTANT*** If you plan on needing a hotel room for Con weekend, please let me know as soon as possible! We get cheaper rates and stuff, the more rooms we get. But, if you tell us at the last minute, we won't get those cheap rates. So, please get those requests in now. (The earliest responses get the best views of the airport. :)
YtseCon III Attendees List Name <e-mail address> D/P + x D/P = I'm definite/possible and my x friends are definite/possible. Please check your name, address, and number of people attending for accuracy. Report problems to me, Chris Merlo, at d-man@dreamt.org or cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu.
I will NOT assume that you are or are not going, depending on where you live, or how long you have known me. If you plan to attend YtseCon III, and your name is not on this list, e-mail me and tell me explicitly that you plan to attend.
Also, please remember that I'm not in charge of the Ytsecon. I'm just collecting names. Jeff Chew (jc309@columbia.edu) is the man to ask administrative stuff (like, "When is the Con? Where will it be held?"). As it seems, the Con will be held in Queens, New York on the Saturday before Columbus Day, 10/12/96.
Abosso, Dan <al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov> D + 2D Allen, Trey <tallen@junix.ju.edu> D + 1P Anderson, Brian <bda109@psu.edu> D + 1D Augustover, Heath <augie@unix.asb.com> D + 4P Backof, Michael <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu> D + 0 Bahr, Mike <durnik@indirect.com> D + 1D Stuff Barker, Rob <rbarker@epix.net> D + 0 Benenati, Frank <mojoman@pointblank.com> D + 0 Bogie <bogie34@aol.com> P + 0 Bradley, Mike <michael.bradley@mail.trincoll.edu> D + 2P Breitweg, Jason <jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu> P + 0 Cashman, Paul <vanyel@crl.com> P + 0 Chew, Greg <grc8@columbia.edu> D + 0 Chew, Jeff <jc309@columbia.edu> D + ?? Cleary, Corey <clearyce@tuvok.marian.edu> D + 1D Rides Cook, Chad <ccook@bbn.com> P + 0 Fibraio, Damon <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> D + 0 Frankel, Charone <96sp211@dvc.edu> D + 0 Goldenberg, Rachel <wisha@li.net> P + 1P Griffin, Pat <c675311@showme.missouri.edu> P + 1P Rides? Herman, Scott <anthem@virginia.edu> D + 0 Inverso, Ryan <rinverso@cosi.stockton.edu> D + 6P Karger, Allen <akarger@bu.edu> P + 0 Kirk, Brian <bkirk@blkbox.com> D + 0 Kita Woo <kitawoo@aol.com> P + 1P Kizer, Mike <mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com> P + 1P Klunck, Chad <raytheon@dreamt.org> P + 0 Leifer, Rob <guitar@haven.ios.com> D + 3P Luttringer, Scott <zimbob@dreamt.org> D + 0 Lutz, James <jlutz@hartford.edu> P + 4P Martin, Andrew <martinah@csd.uwm.edu> D + 0 Mastin, John <johnny@psa.pencom.com> P + 4P Merlo, Chris <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> D + 2P Rides Miller, Andrew (Miracle)<ytsejam@udel.edu> D + 4P Miller, Andrew (Sleeper)<millera@chop.isca.uiowa.edu> P + 0 MoeGLinG, eRiC <freenet.scri.fsu.edu> P + 2P Moury, Jon <jmoury@wam.umd.edu> P + 0 Neff, David <dneff@maaco.com> P + 0 Olson, Jeffrey <sinista@netexpress.net> D + 3P Ostrich, Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu> D + 0 Rides Penna, John <jpenna@trc.tosco.com> D + 3P Plotkin, David <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu> D + 1D Pomerleau, Michael <72064.614@compuserve.com> D + 1D Redfern, Ryan <rredfern@capital.edu> D + 0 Reed, Ed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> P + 0 Rios, Kevin <krios@suffolk.lib.ny.us> D + 0 Rivera, Richie <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> D + 0 Skadberg, Ryan <skadz@bluesky.net> D + 2P Slang, Greg <slang@internexus.net> D + 2D Steele, Jason <jts129@psu.edu> D + 1D Thetgyi, Jack <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> D + 2P Tritt, Dori <tritt@eden.rutgers.edu> D + 4P Washkevich, Mike <m_washke@acad.lvc.edu> D + 0 Wherry, Brian <bwherry@acs.bu.edu> D + 0 Whitaker, Ryan <godfther@netcom.com> P + 0 YoSammity <yosammity@aol.com> P + 1P
TOTALS: 47 Definite 70 Possible (I think. Someone wanna check my math? :)
Rides: Volunteers for rides. Sleep: Volunteers for places for Jammers to crash. Stuff: You know :) Contact these people separately.
Last updated May 30th
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:03:33 -0400 From: The One They Call Wacky <bwherry@acs.bu.edu> To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: JP clinic in Boston, 6-18-96!!!! Message-ID: <31ADE2F5.5378@acs.bu.edu>
That's right, boys and girls! John Petrucci will be doing a clinic at The Comm. Ave. Guitar Center in Boston on June 18th at 7:00pm. I was just there today, and they have two JPM100's, too. There are gonna be good deals on Ibanez crap (I mean Ibanez gear :):):):)), too. Anyone planning on going, please email me!!
Later!
Brian
--
Brian Wherry Boston University Computer Engineering '98 bwherry@acs.bu.edu http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/home.html
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Date: Thu, 30 May 96 11:10:57 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: various NDTC/racism? no, idiocy Message-ID: <9605301810.AA03661@tengs1>
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> Subject: Big Cities.
>i think i speak for most of the jam when i say GROW UP. >
I don't want to grow up. I'm a Toys R Us kid.
Is it possible to type a backwards R? I didn't think so.
Sure: "ERA"
I wonder how that class-action suit against T.R.U. from the World Dyslexic's Association is doing...
>Booooooooooooooooo! :) Come on. A movie with Pam, and (from what I've >heard, since there was no way on God's green earth I'd plunk down the >duckets for it) no plot *and* no nudity?
What?! No nudity?!?!?! Christ. What a shitty movie.
There was some partial nudity. Actually, it was a fun movie. Having nothing better to do, I saw a matinee. I was amused by the all the older distinguished types in the audience :^)> I wonder how many told their wives they were going to the office that Sat.
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Thus Spake Bafu:
Speaking of Revelation, if you're in the mood for an extremely well-done movie about the tale of what happens AFTER Revelation (at least, according to the Bible of a deceased angel), check your local Blockbuster for "The Prophecy." Loads of witty religious references, philosophies, and rather intriguing reasonings as to why things happen as they do. No cheesy script and a fairly believable ending.
Yeah, it *was* really believable. Nothing like _Mission "Sheeayh, Right!" Impossible_. Exploding gum, gimmie a break! They should've made Emmanuel Beart a demon. Fools.
Such as Lucifer. ;>
Such as Virginia Madsen. I think I like her better brunette <*pant*>.
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Aaron K Silverman said:
Also, I think that Margaret Cho's show really didn't make fun of Asians. Other than the eccentric Grandma(who could have been any race, there have been all kinds of eccentric characters on sitcoms, just take away the accent!), the characters were all played pretty straight. Take away the mother's and grandma's accents, and the family could have been any race.
I think everyone ought to shut the f*ck up! Every time someone gets out of bed in the morning, some idiot, somewhere gets offended. What about the feelings of the world's geriatric citizens??? Aren't they people, too? Friggin' hypocrisy makes me sick. (not a personal attack, just a moment of rage against some illogical social paradigms).
(Hmm. No DTC.) Welcome back Mike B., speaking of geezers.
Zach
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:33:35 -0400 From: Maraya007@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a request for info... Message-ID: <960530143335_403856205@emout09.mail.aol.com>
In an effort to get the next issue of Metropolis Watch out *on time* for once, I'm trying to get as much written as possible ahead of time, and so this Dragon does humbly request assistance from the Jam. :)
My first question: other than "Raise the Knife," do any of you know titles of any of the other new songs that have been written? Supposedly there are at least six. Stiphane Auzilleau mentioned a piano ballad in a post a while back, but I've since forgotten that title. I know Petrucci and Portnoy played some new material at their clinics, so I'm hoping some of you who attended to them paid attention to any titles, if given, and can provide me with a brief description of the music as well.
Secondly, does anyone know the name of the LaBries' daughter and the day she was born?
Thirdly... if there are any good underground prog/power metal bands you'd like to see reviewed, *anyone* is more than welcome to write a review and I'll print it; or, if you can hook me up with a CD/tape, I'll review it myself. Reviews of the clinics are welcome as well. Please, feel free to contact me, even if you don't think you're a particularly good writer - I'm not an editor without reason! The more I have to include, the better...
If anyone else has any up-to-date DT news that I might be missing (be it now or a month from now), speak to me! Particularly if you find out who the new producer will be, when the band finds one to replace the inimitable Kevin Gilbert.
I don't have a set deadline, but the end of June would be preferable so I can have the issue out by mid-July...
Muchos gracias, muchachos. ;)
Jaime the Dragon
"it's nothing but a tragedy lay to rest your body & soul lay beside your name lay to rest your rage your hunger & amazing grace with candles, with flowers you were one of ours one of ours..."
Natalie Merchant, "River"
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Date: 30 May 1996 12:05:12 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: (U)Sorry..... Message-ID: <199605301845.AA24638@interlock.amoco.com>
George - the Jammer formerly known as GHSrocker - PLEASE E-MAIL ME PRIVATELY! I need you address to be translated through Amoco's firewall to update the MYTSE-CON list. Thanks. We now return to our regularly scheduled Jam. LATER-
Steve
"You guys are crazy! You're all like, WOO HOO & shit!" -- Airheads
*************************************************************** "You may remember me from such movies as 'Dial M for Murderousness' and 'The Erotic Adventures of Hurcules'" - actor Troy McClure
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Zombies, Phasers, Musicians Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960530120314.191790A-100000@homer06.u.washington.edu>
> From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok) > Subject: re: death's lyrics > > Bernd: White Zombie's "Astro Creep 2000" was No. 1 on some charts > here when it came out. Many people say it is alternative, but I think > it is just metal with a bit of a weird streak. But, more importantly: > THEY ARE TOURING WITH PANTERA THIS SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!! Later,
Yeah, I can't wait! I heard they're calling this tour "All Fans Will Be Crushed" or "Time To Die" or something to that fucking hostile extent.
Hmm. Rutger Hauer also said that in Bladerunner, but who needs more quotes?
---- > From: Fretburner <dlg3441@is4.NYU.EDU> > Subject: JP guitar sound on ACOS > > John Petrucci gets thast sound on ACOS with a PHASER. It's similar to a > flanger, but doesn't employ as much delay.
Plus there's no "stun" feature.
---- > From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller) > Subject: musicans/chalkboard mutiliation > > to the guy that originally posted the question about singers being > musicans... answer it for yourself. there IS no true answer. everyone > has their own opinons about music AND what they consider to be a > musician. i think people that sit around and truly try to analytically > define music and musicianship are missing the point. IMHO it's about > FEELING. it's EMOTION. when do you consider a song to be GOOD? for > me, it's when i'm moved emotionally. when i heard Metropolis for the > first time, i nearly drove off the road. it MOVED me. i didn't analyze > why.
There's a place for you in a Buddhist temple somewhere, Andy.
> why do i hear a fire starting somewhere........
Probably because your other personality is a pyromaniac.
---- > From: KAYC@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU > Subject: Trends... > > If y'all forgot, this is Dr. Teeth's new account. Dat's me. > > Here's a kind of refreshing viewpoint on the trends of music.
A most refreshing post. Yes. Kind of like last Halloween.
Bafu Vai
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