YTSEJAM Digest 1987
Today's Topics:
1) Re: DT at the 'Wolves game
by Chris White <Christopher.White-1@tc.umn.edu>
2) Re: bar bands?
by "R. Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu>
3) Is sneaking necessary.
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
4) faq-ups
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
5) cow sign ups..
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
6) Perry, Labrie
by and@odyssee.net (itsme)
7) Perry, Labrie
by and@odyssee.net (itsme)
8) *new* and *improved* MFP-lists !
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
9) NDTC: Marillion / Tori
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) mmw, keys to ascension, and mom
by WildKoba@aol.com
11) Random Cool Stuff
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) Neil Peart Interview
by "Jeff Forte" <araby@ix4.ix.netcom.com>
13) Surfordie is back!
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
14) Voices
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
15) TSO - Guitar Give Away
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
16) To Voice(s) or not to Voice(s)...
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
17) Neil Interview
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
18) very pissed at neil
by John W Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
19) ACOS
by rod@nlnet.nf.ca (Jeff Taylor)
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 96 00:22:45 -0600
From: Chris White <Christopher.White-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: David T Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT at the 'Wolves game
Message-ID: <327c3a357521002@gold.tc.umn.edu>
> This evening I turned on the television to watch the Timberwolves game
> and when they were doing the big introduction with all the smoke and lights
> they were playing Metropolis.
Wow, I'm shocked. They can't play any decent music in this entire city,
but they play cool music at the TWolves game?! (like anyone ever goes to
those anyway.. *chuckle*) I might have to watch one on television now though
to see if I can catch any DT ;)
Chris
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:35:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "R. Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: bar bands?
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961102222306.11946C-100000@homer32.u.washington.edu>
On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, RipZero wrote:
> >just read the Neil Interview that was posted on the jam. What do
> >you suppose Neil meant when he said, "the bands doing tribute albums
> >are just a bunch of bar bands"?.. Why can't he understand that alot
> >of bands look up to Rush as inspiration? Why must he be so negative
> >and say that they are only in it for the money....
>
> well, thats probably spoken out of anger over the whole rush tribute
> ordeal.. i really have no idea why they cant see its a tribute to them and
> that tributes dont have to come after you're dead! on the other hand, they
> released chronicles! a greatest hits thats not called a greatest hits! i
> really wish i could sit 'em down and have a nice little (GIMME JUST FIVE
> MINUTES ALONE!) chat, because i think their off their rocker(s) :)
>
actually, my understanding is that
Rush had nothing to do with Chronicles,
and the band is in fact upset that it was released;
Mercury put it out as a final money-maker when Rush moved to Atlantic.
incidentally, I too think that
Rush is blowing the tribute album thing way out of proportion.
they need to accept the fact that they *are* an old band,
even if they are not yet decrepit,
and that they have influenced a large number of artists.
as for the idea that 'tribute albums are for dead bands,'
I think it is interesting to note that all of the bands
cover'd by Magna Carta are still viable,
and most have put out a new album recently.
r.christopher hailey
it is not the earth that the meek will inherit...
pass@u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~pass
...but the dirt.
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:45:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Is sneaking necessary.
Message-ID: <199611030645.BAA06483@beasley.cris.com>
Hey,
If there are any tapers around, I'm wondering about the possibility of
recording the Birch Hill show. I've never tried to sneak any recording
devices into a show before, so I'm wondering what the smart way to do it is:
what recorder is best or smallest, best place to stash it, mics to use, etc.
And how about getting caught? I hear Birch Hill is high security. Maybe the
bouncers don't give a hoot about people sneaking in recorders? Maybe the
band's "associates" are on the lookout? Maybe tell M.P. you're there to tape
the show and he'll give you the O.K.? All comments are appreciated, as always.
-Rick
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:49:44 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: faq-ups
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9611030158.G15572-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu>
> Subject: ACoS Question???
>
> I have a quick question for all of you. I checked the FAQ and didn't find
> the answer (and I hope that this was not answered over the summer when I
> didn't have e-mail).
>
> In the album version of ACoS when are (or your opinions) the "cut-offs"
> for the different parts/segments of the song. I have been trying to
> figure it out, but can't reach a definitive conclusion. If this
> question is to vague feel free to e-mail me for verification. If you
> understand the question, please tell me an answer
Once again, I'll put this up to a vote. E-mail me and tell me whether it
belongs or not.
----> From: James Macarthur <jamesmac@limestone.kosone.com> > Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) > > I wanna subscribe to YTSEJAM
Is someone still taking care of these posts?
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> From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1983 > > > You all fucking suck! My email is hayd0029@tc.umn.edu My name is Brian D. > > Does this shit rule or what? To the guy who *did* sign him up (if > anyone), > if you're reading this, YOU FUCKING RULE!! Now I know I can do this too > to some people I know :)
No no no no no. This does *not* rule even slightly. This guy doesn't want to be here, and now has a bad image of us (for some reason). Do *not* subscribe people because you think it's a good prank. That's just dumb.
> Hey today I saw a PPV announcement of Dream Theater, a concert in > England > I guess it was. It's old 'cause I think I saw the Kev man in there. And > they were playing songs from Awake! If anyone has any info, mail me.
Either one or the other, but not both. If you heard Awake songs, Kevin was not there. He left the band *before* Awake was released, and did not play any of that stuff live. (Exception: Puppies on Acid, which became The Mirror.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 01:22:29 -0600 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: cow sign ups.. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961103072229.0071abcc@mail.inlink.com>
>This does *not* rule even slightly. This guy doesn't >want to be here, and now has a bad image of us (for some reason). Do >*not* subscribe people because you think it's a good prank. That's just >dumb.
not to OUR list anyway :) theres certainly plenty other crappy mailing lists out there that could use a bad image ;)
be on the lookout for a new beefquad-x .wav :) also, coming soon, a beefquad-x webpage. yip.
one final note- i'm going to sleep.
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:05:29 -0500 (EST) From: and@odyssee.net (itsme) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Perry, Labrie Message-ID: <199611031605.LAA20665@champlain.lancite.net>
The new Journey album absolutely rocks... Steve Perry is the best vocalist (even if he's almost 50!)... I remember reading somewhere that James' main influences were Steve Perry and Freddie Mercury Check out the versions of lovin touchin squeezin on ACOS... James has a different style though... he uses his falsetto alot more
I was wondering if any Jammers have Journey boots...
later, and
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:05:31 -0500 (EST) From: and@odyssee.net (itsme) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Perry, Labrie Message-ID: <199611031605.LAA20669@champlain.lancite.net>
>The new Journey album absolutely rocks... Steve Perry is the best >vocalist (even if he's almost 50!)... I remember reading somewhere >that James' main influences were Steve Perry and Freddie Mercury >Check out the versions of lovin touchin squeezin on ACOS... >James has a different style though... he uses his falsetto alot more > >I was wondering if any Jammers have Journey boots... > >later, >and
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:34:09 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: *new* and *improved* MFP-lists ! Message-ID: <01BBC9BE.0E2E38A0@Troi.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Hey guys !
*This* is the moment you've all been waiting for ! Well, ok... it's the moment *I've* been waiting for... It's my favourite time of the month. No, not *that* time...
Well, guess what I'm trying to say is that the *new*, *improved*...
"Most Frequent Poster List"
..is finished :-) and it looks pretty nifty, if I may say so myself. This month's list contains no less than 103 links to Ytsejammer home- pages and other Dream Theater related sites (Rip's Twinkieboy-page, D-Man's DT-FAQ). Check it out... You'll love it...
Here's the "improved" part :
Besides the usual MFP-list, I've also put together a page with smaller MFP-lists... *One* per domain/country... So, if you wanna find out just how many posters are in your domain/country, or just how many domains are represented on this list, check out that page. I think it's a keeper.
Also, I'm proud to announce that "Voices" will also have it's very own "Most Frequent Poster List" from now on ! :-> There's already one on my homepage, with THREE posters :-) Charone Frankel is one of them (gotta love her).
You can still view the lists on my Dutch homepage, but you might wanna try my 'mirrorsite' (thanks Madsman!) for a faster connection :
URL: http://www.prognosis.com/itchy
Anyway, enjoy :-) Let me know what you think ! And sign my guestbook while you're in the neighborhood... The Marillion, Dream Theater and Tori Amos icons are also still there, if you want them...
NAME:Mark 'Itchy' Bredius _______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__ All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`) All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/ ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ Maintainer of the Official Freaks and Ytsejam "Most Frequent Poster List" http://www.prognosis.com/itchy http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:35:44 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NDTC: Marillion / Tori Message-ID: <01BBC9BE.48F97DA0@Troi.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Kain asked about Fish (ex-Marillion) on 'Jam #1975 :
> why did Fish leave Marillion in the first place?
Here's the story I've heard... Fish wanted complete control over Marillion... The other guys didn't really like the new lyrics he had written and thought they were getting a bit *too* personal...
Fish came up with some kind of ultimatum... The others basically told him to phuq off by ignoring the letter Fish sent them, and started looking for a replacement :-) That's when they found Steve Hogarth...
Together with Hogy (that's what Marillion fans call him) they came up with the BEST ALBUM *EVER* (ok, imo it is) called "Brave" (get it!!!).
Kain also said about Goddess Tori Amos on 'Jam #1975 :
> Her voice and her piano alone, very impressive, that's why I got > to get ahold of LE!!!!! Oh she used some sort of organ in that > presentation, I'm not sure about what it was (i saw it a while back) > but it was cool.
She used one of her two Bosendorfer pianos (Oh God how I love those) and her harpsichord (that's the one you meant). I bought the new "In The Springtime Of His Voodoo" CD-single last week... There are four (!) dance-mixes of that song on it... I'm ashamed to say that I actually like them :-> Especially the "Hasbrouck Heights Club Mix" (10:04!) and the "Quiet Mix".
Oh well, enough off-topic stuph from me... (for now)
Mark (Hi Lisa!) _______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__ All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`) All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/ ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ Maintainer of the Freaks, Ytsejam and Voices "Most Frequent Poster Lists" http://www.prognosis.com/itchy http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:38:54 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mmw, keys to ascension, and mom Message-ID: <961103143854_1583283697@emout01.mail.aol.com>
ok............in light of the fact that we just keep becoming better buddies over here (this in-fighting is getting really retarded, but whatever).
got to see the great medeski, martin and wood last night here in suny binghamton. incidentally, they must have brought the snow with them (had our first snowfall yesterday). i only got to see the 2nd half, but god, did they hurt my brain! they were just out of their heads (a friend who saw the whole show confirmed to me that the 2nd half was lots better).
i also had the chance to meet them afterwards and get my "shackman" and "notes" cd's signed. they were cool fellows. my radio station manager friend even got some cool station id's from them.
so that's that.
well, being that tickets for the poughkeepsie show went on sale already, i doubt i'll be going. oh well.
anyone else pick up the new yes album? jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that's it for my blab of shit.
in the theme of everyone bitching at each other, go fuck yourselves!!!!!!! ha!
**************************************************************** david kobayashi wildkoba@aol.com dkoba8375@aol.com
"energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp
"the present-day composer refuses to die." -e. varese ****************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 17:03:52 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Random Cool Stuff Message-ID: <199611032103.RAA05917@mail.caribe.net>
Ok.. i just got my first ELP cd.. it was live at the royal albert hall.. i must say ..this is very impressing.. at first i missed the guitar..but then i got really into the keyboards...it is great.. also election day is coming up.. hehe a cool fact .. here in PR ..one of the leading parties is called "New Progressive Part" .. hehe prog.. if they only played DT on their campaigns!! :)
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone.. We can hope for the future..but there may not be one... DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:07:02 +0000 From: "Jeff Forte" <araby@ix4.ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Neil Peart Interview Message-ID: <199611032111.NAA29976@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
>- No. It's not a tribute album at all, and I don't care about it, I >don't wanna fight it, I don't wanna help it. These people just keep >putting out these cover albums, and the only reason they do it is to make money. >Tribute albums have completely changed in the last couple of years to >where they aren't tributes anymore, they're just people cashing in on >other peoples work. And they're just a bunch of bar-bands doing it, it's >not like they're musicians paying tribute to Rush in any way.
Ouch....this is kind of a harsh thing to say about bands that idolize you and are struggling in the early stages of their career. Saying that you don't like the idea of the tribute album is one thing, but saying that they are just bar bands and not really musicians is not a really great thing to say. I'm not an authority on this at all..but isn't that how most musicians get started, in local clubs and bars.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Chambers araby@ix.netcom.com
"Angels and demons dancing in my head, Lunatics and monsters underneath my bed, Media messiahs preying on my fears, Pop culture prophets playing on my fears." --Rush ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 17:26:05 -0800 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: ytsejam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Surfordie is back! Message-ID: <327D462D.2C5D@prtc.net>
Hello ytsejammers! I don't expect many of you to know who I am, but, for those who remember me, I just wanted to tell you that I'm back in action! My new e-mail address down here in good ol' sunny and warm Puerto Rico is alexis1@prtc.net Well, I hope everything has remained the same as it was before (I guess I'll find out soon!). On with the jam.
P.S. Just wanted to say hi to Augie, Andrew Keith Garinger, Ernesto, Carlos (kurt), and Mike Bahr.
Alexis (Surfordie)
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 16:57:13 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Voices Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961103215713.00673ef0@ici.net>
>Maybe I missed something here, but can anyone explain why the Voices mailing >list should even exist? Isn't YtseJam enough? I just don't get it.
It's actually a boon for the people that are complaining about the content in here. Since Voices is moderated, there won't be any/as many off-topic posts (and hopefully, a lot less posts from people bitching about the lack of useful content, which I find even more irritating)
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________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Vicious Rumors - "Word Of Mouth"
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:05:22 -0600 (CST) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Jam) Subject: TSO - Guitar Give Away Message-ID: <199611032205.QAA04442@tundra.winternet.com>
Jammers,
Just wanted to let you know about the Trans-Siberian Orchestra Guitar Give Away.
How would you like TSO to put a guitar under your Christmas tree this year? That is right, TSO is giving away a guitar thought their WWW page. The contest is open until December 15th, 1996. year?
That is right, TSO is giving away a guitar thought their WWW page.
Enter at the TSO WEB Page.
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso
The make and model of the guitar has not yet been selected, but will be hopefully this week.
Past the word along!!!
Good Luck,
Nathan Bradley savaweb@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 96 15:18:58 -0000 From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: To Voice(s) or not to Voice(s)... Message-ID: <199611032319.PAA09358@pawn.ax.com>
Rick decreed the following in Ytsejam #1986:
>Maybe I missed something here, but can anyone explain why the Voices mailing >list should even exist? Isn't YtseJam enough? I just don't get it.
About a year ago, things got *really* crazy around here - a lot of off-topic discussion, flame wars, and so forth. Some ideas were tossed around among a group of Ytsevets, and one of those was to create a digest with moderation, in hopes of heightening the signal to noise ratio. Ken was late in starting it up due to his extremely busy schedule, but it's happening now.
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals. ((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking) O/ \O
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Neil Interview Message-ID: <v01520d00aea2199b1b77@[207.90.116.217]>
Could somebody clip it from the prior 'Jam and EMAIL it to me? I skimmed by it, and was going to read it later, but threw out the 'Jam, and emptied my trash...d'oh! Then I realized that the Neil interview was in that one.
Please email me at dantemm@erinet.com
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 18:11:20 -0800 From: John W Happe <jared@stlnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: very pissed at neil Message-ID: <327D50C8.524F@stlnet.com>
i cant bealeve what neil was sying , there are bands that really look up to rush that are not really in it for the money . hes sitting there getting prasied for what he does then going off on the people that praise him , it just dont make sence. i went to see rush this thursday an now im afriad i have no respeact for neil any more , i just hope geddy(my faverite bassist)doesnt feal the same.
happe
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 21:07:22 -0400 From: rod@nlnet.nf.ca (Jeff Taylor) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ACOS Message-ID: <199611040105.VAA06936@terra.nlnet.nf.ca>
>From: Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu> >Subject: ACoS Question???
>In the album version of ACoS when are (or your opinions) the "cut-offs" >for the different parts/segments of the song. I have been trying to >figure it out, but can't reach a definitive conclusion. If this >question is to vague feel free to e-mail me for verification. If you >understand the question, please tell me an answer
I posted this a couple of weeks ago, but I'll post it again. This is my opinion of where the "cut-off points" are in the song:
I. The Crimson Sunrise 0:00 II. Innocence 3:50 III. Carpe Diem 6:54 IV. The Darkest Of Winters 10:08 V. Another World 13:01 VI. The Inevitable Summer 16:58 VII. The Crimson Sunset 19:54
This really should be in the FAQ. I'm pretty sure all these times are right, but please feel free to disagree with or correct any of them.
Jeff Taylor
"Attention all planets of the Solar Federation... We have assumed control..."
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