YTSEJAM Digest 1991
Today's Topics:
1) old/new dt
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
2) Nintendos
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
3) Nintendo
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
4) NP Comments
by Sean Malone <malone@arts.usf.edu>
5) MP clinic in Dayton, OH!!
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
6) G3
by "A. Williamson" <ajwilli@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
7) Yet another soapbox unsubber
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
8) Re: Nintendos
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
9) TSO
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
10) Listen!
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
11) Re: NP Comments
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A1Bum?= setlist!
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
13) Re: TSO
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
14) Re: PROG-METAL radio setlist #6.........
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
15) Re: WDADU worth buying?
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
16) more Steve Vai...NDTC
by 99ABEL@alma.edu
17) Progtendo
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
18) Progtendo
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
19) 'tis the season
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
20) Re: Prog Christmas tunes
by "Julien Gauthier" <djeedj@videotron.ca>
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:12:03 -0700
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <Ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: old/new dt
Message-ID: <199611050214.TAA01183@snowden.micron.net>
To the guy that wants to know if Wadadu is worth it: Some of their best
stuff is on there man! (ok a little bit of their best stuff) It rocks.
Neil Elliot! come on spill the beans! I'm tearing my hair out here!
(actually I'm not but how would know that unless I told you?)
Check out the TSO page on the winternet sight. It's cool. I'm so stoked
about it, I'm off to buy the dang thing right now!
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:16:52 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nintendos
Message-ID: <199611050227.UAA01998@Walden.MO.NET>
Yeah, i remember hanging out at the local bowling alley eons ago
blowing my wad on Castlevania. That was the game. However, nothing
beats the old Atari 2600. Burgertime, Defender, and all those
classics. MAN!!!! I think I'll have to break it out now (and we do
still have ours).
Okay, sorry about the useless post. I'm bored. Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
"Beef jurky bad. Chikin strips gud."
-life-size cow standup sign at Chik-Fil-A
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:26:20 -0700
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <Ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Nintendo
Message-ID: <199611050232.TAA01665@snowden.micron.net>
> Also, for some reason, whenever I listen to HELLOWEEN's "Walls of
>Jericho" I instantly remember Wizards & Warriors..I must have been
>playing that disc while I played the game or something..weird?
Yea cool! whenever I hear Kill 'em All I immediately think of Battletoads.
I played Metroid so much that the cartridge wore out so I had to buy it
again in the classics version for like 20 bucks. I still think Dragon
Warrior is the coolest though. Or maybe Ikari Warriors or Contra. Oh well
PC's are so much better now that I should probably just get rid of it.
In fact how bout I put it up for sale right now!
Sega Genesis with tons of games (probably 10-20)
NES with tons of games (I'm not sure but quite a few)
Best offer
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:38:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Sean Malone <malone@arts.usf.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NP Comments
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.961104211011.18829C-100000@satie>
I thought that I had heard it all regarding Rush's position on the
tribute, but this latest bit is an exceptional surprise. To me, it's akin
to name calling almost, and has had a tangible impact on my attitude
towards them. We're all familiar with the core issues of the tribute:
They're only for dead bands, no one asked them for their (Rush's) input,
they think it's all for the money etc. But his bar band thing is an
entirely different slant.
So from my point of view, as a Rush fan and a contributer to Working
Man, I have no qualms on a personal level as to his comments: that
any of the lesser-known groups (like Cynic of course) are considered to be
bar bands (as I am equally confident NP has never even heard of Cynic or
several of the other bands on the cd). Of course, to consider the well
known artists on the cd in the same category is ridiculous. So
let it be known that the foundation of my gripe is not a personal one, nor
do I have any delusions as to the audience size of Cynic. (Just happy a
few of you bought the cd and came to the shows...)
So what I am left with is a purely malevolant reaction from NP. I
can't imagine that anyone in their shoes would be upset that a group of
players got together to honor them. Granted, I agree that there are some
less than perfect performances, in fact I think some are downright
embarrassing from a "should have done your homework" point of view. But
that isn't really what's in question.
Money has been a topic of debate. For starters, YES, there are people
making money off of this disc. However, do you honestly think that Rush
(who are getting the publishing $ by the way) could be so upset as to lost
revenue from a tribute cd that has a very limited lifespan compared to any
of their own releases, that it would cause them to be this disagreeable
towards the tribute? That doesn't make sense to me.
The "They didn't want it done, so it shouldn't have been done"
argument. This is a tough one for sure, we've all heard about approvals
and recantations and the facts are nebulous. But even if they hated it all
the way (which I don't think is true) I would argue that 1. It could not
have a significant financial impact on the group. 2. That its existance in
any way would indicate the mortality of the band. 3. That regardless of
all these things, the true spirit of the tribute is to honor them, not to
try and bilk them for a few measly dollars, or ride on their coattails.
Ultimately it is their new cd's that you will continue to buy.
I am not convinced that the tribute has or can in any way, damage the
reputation or selling power of the band itself. So, I defer to Neil, why
the hostility?
Sean Malone
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:46:04 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MP clinic in Dayton, OH!!
Message-ID: <v01520d00aea4142fb700@[207.90.116.78]>
The phone number is now available. Here's the info from the DT home page:
Sunday, November 10th
Hauer Music - Dayton, OH
(937) 222-2815
It starts at 3pm, at least, that's what a friend who already has his
tickets told me.
Later,
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:21:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "A. Williamson" <ajwilli@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: G3
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961104200655.35696A-100000@red.weeg.uiowa.edu>
NO DT CONTENT HERE...........................
I was lucky enough to see the last G3 show saturday night in
Minneapolis. I had high expectations before the show began and I left
with ringing ears, a huge headache and my jaw dragging on the ground. If
you have yet to purchase Steve Vai's FIRE GARDEN or Eric Johnson's VENUS
ISLE do it as soon as you can. The show was incredible. To top it off,
one of the announcers at the show said that they were recording for the
"official" G3 album that night. They are probably recording most of the
shows, but it gave the audience a reason to cheer even louder. Vai and
Johnson were unbelieveable. My brother and I agreed that Johnson stole
the show. The concert was also being filmed so hopefully there will be a
video available in the future.
Adrian Legg opened the show at 8pm and I didn't get back to my car until
12:30 am!! Talk about the best $40 you can spend.
Vai played a variety of material including:
The house is on fire
Little Alligator
I think he also played a few others off the new album. He also played:
Bad Horsie
Tender Surrender
Answers
The Riddle (I think)
For The Love Of God (which brought down the house!)
I don't remember everything about Johnson's set-he played 3 or 4 new tunes:
Pavillion
Manhattan
Camel's night out (he got a standing o afterwards)
S.R.V.
and some others including Cliffs Of Dover of course.
Great show-Satriani was good too, especiall with Stu Hamm on bass...too
bad you all couldn't be there....
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:48:48 -0700
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <burttram@netone.com>
Cc: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yet another soapbox unsubber
Message-ID: <199611050251.TAA02129@snowden.micron.net>
>I have just received confirmation of my un-subscription to this
newsletter,
>because in the dozen or so issues I received, the only place Dream Theater
>was mentioned was by someone who said they were a fan.
>If this is an e-mail chat room, then fine, but just to let you know, a
true
>DT fan waded through a lot of crap waiting on some DT info (or even
>conversation).
look here dude. We don't care if you unsub or not, but why do you have to
leave with such an "I'm cooler than you" attitude? We realize that not
much of what we talk about is DT, but that's because there's only so much
to talk about. Also, all of that stuff that you posted, while you may have
thought was informative, All of us jammers already knew all that because it
had been discussed earlier. If there is any DT information, we are the
first ones to know about. In the mean time, what's wrong with having some
friendly conversation? I hope you will give us a second chance, but if you
don't that's fine to. Just don't make fun of something if you have no idea
what you're talking about. Also are you insinuating that we are not true
DT fans? Um we knew about all that stuff way before you did...
Craig Wuthrich
(I can't resist) Do you get a lot of people that think you're gay, Mr.
<giggle> ButtRam?
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:22:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Nintendos
Message-ID: <199611050322.XAA12881@mail.caribe.net>
At 06:39 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote:
> However, nothing
>beats the old Atari 2600. Burgertime, Defender, and all those
>classics. MAN!!!! I think I'll have to break it out now (and we do
>still have ours).
>
What about froggel ..(i think it was the title) and donkey kong (original
version) ..and that game of those tanks that one had to shoot the other and
sometimes you could go invisible ..OH and pong!!
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:23:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TSO
Message-ID: <199611050323.XAA12928@mail.caribe.net>
Can someone please enlighten me on what TSO is ...besides somewhat of a
savatage thing.. like..whats the music like..and stuff?
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend
Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:08:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Listen!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.961104210506.17300A-100000@enteract.com>
Too all the "Brian Buttrams" out there that feel the need to insult us as
you hop off the list, please take note that we are neither impressed by
your cheap shots nor ashamed of our conversations. There has been some DT
content as these new shows and clinics have popped up, but over all I
think we're a great little group. If you want to unsub, go... but do it
quietly and respectfully. We didn't flame you, so just leave in peace.
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Christopher Ptacek at Enteract, L.L.C.
Technical Support Engineer
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T h o u g l e e k i n g o n i o n e y e d d e a t h t o k e n
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:29:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NP Comments
Message-ID: <199611050329.XAA13243@mail.caribe.net>
At 06:39 PM 11/4/96 -0800, Sean Malone wrote:
>
>have a significant financial impact on the group. 2. That its existance in
>any way would indicate the mortality of the band
In any case..working man is getting rush a wider audience.. for many people
(including myself and a couple of friends of mine hadnt actually had the
guts to buy a rush album but we bought Working Man for the other bands..and
for a "starter" point to listening to rush..and now were buying Rush
records..to get the original versions.. the trib is only gonna get them MORE
sales.. like i doubt anyone is going to hear any of the working man songs
and say "rush sucks..ive decided i dont wanna check out original rush
records" ...as my brother said.. some of us prefer the working man versions
as to the original ones.. maybe because of geddy's voice..or because of the
mastering compared to the 70's and 80's...but the fact is ..that the band
isnt gonna suffer from this..
>
>
>
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend
Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:25:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A1Bum?= setlist!
Message-ID: <199611050325.WAA29459@beasley.cris.com>
>From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
>Subject: PROG-METAL radio setlist #6.........
>
>anyhow, here ya go........A couple of holiday classics were played..try
>to figure out which ones :-)
>
>(List of 10 tunes....none of which are DT.)
>
>-news-
>
>(List of 10 tunes....none of which are DT.)
>
>till next week..more insanity to come...
Um............ maybe it's just me......but.........what's wrong with the
above excerpt? Exactly.
-Rick
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:31:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: TSO
Message-ID: <199611050331.VAA15529@parka.winternet.com>
>
> Can someone please enlighten me on what TSO is ...besides somewhat of a
> savatage thing.. like..whats the music like..and stuff?
>
>
Trans-Siberian Orchestra is a Christmas concept album by Paul O'Neill, Jon
Oliva and Bob Kinkel (Savatage writer's and musicians).
If you have web access go to the TSO Web page at
www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso
There is a really good review there. If you don't have web access I will
mail it to tou privately since it is rather lenghty. Unless there is enough
demand for it, I won't post it to the jam.
Nathan Bradley
savaweb@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:44:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: PROG-METAL radio setlist #6.........
Message-ID: <199611050344.VAA15855@parka.winternet.com>
> SANCTUARY: "Battle Angels"
>
Yes!! I have to go home and lilsten to this one now!!! I haven't heard it
in ages!!!
Nathan Bradley
savaweb@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:39:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: WDADU worth buying?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961104234350.2bc7ad66@access.mountain.net>
At 03:30 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Phil Carter queried,
>
>>More DT content: Is there anything at all about "When Dream and Day Unite"
>>that makes it worth picking up? I've heard so many nasty things about the
>>vocals that I've avoided it like the plague so far...
It's definitely worth picking up, especially since you can pick up the
rereleased version which is cheaper than the import I bought a couple of
years ago. As for the vocals: just go into it with an open mind. I came to
the weird conclusion the other day that for the _WD&DU_ tracks, Charlie's
voice is quite good. I don't really care for James's treatment of "The
Killing Hand" & "Fortune in Lies", because he gets to "heavy metal" with it
(if you know what I mean). Charlie's voice was more controlled maybe? On
the other hand, I can't really see him hitting the high stuff at the end of
"Metropolis" like James does. Maybe whoever writes the vocal lines just did
a good job wrting them to the abilities of either singer? Ah hell, who
knows? :)
Jonathan Byrne, 1L
West Virginia University College of Law
rael@access.mountain.net
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
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"Hard mover platform weaver; change topic slight of hand
Issue bender, big speech giver; power tie & photo tan."
-Brett Kull & Ray Weston, "As the World", echolyn
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 23:43:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: 99ABEL@alma.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: more Steve Vai...NDTC
Message-ID: <01IBGS6JYM5U8Y5CC5@alma.edu>
I just have to agree with Chris Ptacek about Vai, I don't think Chris
said where he saw G3 but I saw them at the Palace Thursday night and Vai was
amazing to watch... I've never seen anyone have so much fun on stage. He
easily stole the show, it just went downhill from there. Not to take anything
away from Joe, but I've seen him before and he seemed really off thursday
night. He completely screwed up my favorite part of Surfing, I was a little
shocked actually. As far as EJ, I have only heard a little bit of him before
the concert, not enough to be fair really, but I wasn't that impressed. He's
a technically amazing player, but compared to Steve and Joe's set there were
very little dynamics, just on guitar and one guitar tone the whole way through
(I'm generalizing a little... don't bother flaming me if you think I'm wrong,
these were just my first impressions anyway), and I also have to agree that he
has NO stage presence. He just looked at his guitar the whole time.
My only complaint with Vai's set was the setlist... he didn't play
the Audience is Listening, I Would Love to, or Greasy Kid's Stuff, which aree
my favorite off of Passion and Warfare. For the Love of God was absolutely
amazing, tho...
Ok, sorry for the wasted bandwidth, if anyone else was there on
Halloween and wants to share impressions please e-mail me...
99abel@alma.edu
-Clark
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:02:57 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Progtendo
Message-ID: <199611050510.WAA02317@cyberhighway.net>
> > Also, for some reason, whenever I listen to HELLOWEEN's "Walls of
> >Jericho" I instantly remember Wizards & Warriors..I must have been
> >playing that disc while I played the game or something..weird?
Heheh, I love the soundtrack for Final Fantasy III. There are a
couple of tracks on the thing that I actually sat down at the keys
and twinkled out. I actually considered writing a general Final
Fantasy Theme Song from various parts of the game. To me, all of the
role-playing games seem to have some sort of prog tracks to them.
Maybe that's why I play 'em so much. Just thinking about the Zelda
theme gets it stuck in my head for days! Dahhhh!!! Dah-da-da Da da
Dahhhh!!! heheh.
Celes' Theme Rulz!
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
Most Frequent Poseur on the
Dream Theater Mailing list (10/96)
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:03:55 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Progtendo
Message-ID: <199611050511.WAA02478@cyberhighway.net>
> > Also, for some reason, whenever I listen to HELLOWEEN's "Walls of
> >Jericho" I instantly remember Wizards & Warriors..I must have been
> >playing that disc while I played the game or something..weird?
Heheh, I love the soundtrack for Final Fantasy III. There are a
couple of tracks on the thing that I actually sat down at the keys
and twinkled out. I actually considered writing a general Final
Fantasy Theme Song from various parts of the game. To me, all of the
role-playing games seem to have some sort of prog tracks to them.
Maybe that's why I play 'em so much. Just thinking about the Zelda
theme gets it stuck in my head for days! Dahhhh!!! Dah-da-da Da da
Dahhhh!!! heheh.
>beats the old Atari 2600. Burgertime, Defender, and all those
>classics. MAN!!!! I think I'll have to break it out now (and we do
>still have ours).
Let's find something better to talk about now, Hmmm?
BTW, there's a $20 Arcade Game pack with authentic remakes of 5 of my
fave arcade games. Defender, Defender II, Sinistar, Joust, Robotron,
and then there's Bubbles, which I never liked. Get it, it's worth
it. :)
Celes' Theme Rulz!
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
Most Frequent Poseur on the
Dream Theater Mailing list (10/96)
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 21:30:44 -0000
From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 'tis the season
Message-ID: <199611050531.VAA09255@pawn.ax.com>
Damon stated thus in Ytsejam #1990:
>OK. Here's a question that I would love to challenge the masses on. Christmas
>is approaching, and for my progressive rock radio show, I want to do some
>christmas prog tunes. Here's what I know so far:
[...]
How can you forget Savatage's "Christmas Eve (Sarajevo 12/24)"? Or for
that matter, go pick up the new Christmas album that's been talked about
here (which happens to have "Christmas Eve" on it, too).
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals.
((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our
O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking)
O/ \O
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:36:40 -0500
From: "Julien Gauthier" <djeedj@videotron.ca>
To: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>, <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <paperlate@ansto.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Prog Christmas tunes
Message-ID: <199611050537.AAA06273@bach.videotron.net>
> Yes: Run with the Fox, (YesYears box set, disk 3)
> ELP: I believe in father christmas
> And for the Dream Theater fans, a version of Oh Holy night, but it is of
poor
> sound quality to play on the air.
>
> What am I missing? Sorry that this may be off-topic, but ... I figured
that
> the progressive fans could help me here. Email me at
I Believe in Father Christmas was on Works, Volume 2. Also try these:
- The Christmas Album by Keith Emerson
- On the Time Vaults CD by Van der Graaf Generator, there is a VERY short
segment of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.
- Jethro Tull had quite a few: Christmas Song on Living in the Past, Ring
Out Solstice Bells on Songs from the Woods, Batteries not Included on "A",
Jack Frost and the Hooded Crow & March the Mad Scientist on 20 Years of
Jethro Tull Volume One, and Another Christmas Song on Rock Island.
- Six O'Clck News/Silent Night by Simon & Garfunkel is poignant. Not prog,
but hey, it's a Christmas special and this song IS special.
- Winter by Tori Amos is remotely related.
- Snowbound by the big G. is the only thing that spring to mind.
I'll check out some more...
Julien
djeedj@videotron.ca
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