YTSEJAM Digest 1992
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Progtendo
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
2) Re: Prog Christmas tunes
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
3) Christmas Songs
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
4) James is heavy metal
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
5) ***radio setlist... ***
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
6) Shred
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
7) King's X; WDADU
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
8) Mr. Buttram
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
9) "bar bands" my ass
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
10) Tits like coconuts...
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
11) Aynsley Dunbar
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
12) I'm the new Mindcrimer
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1989
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1989
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) grrrrrrrrrrr
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
16) TSO
by bishop@cts1.internetwis.com
17) Kevin Moore interview
by e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf)
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 01:52:46 -0500
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Progtendo
Message-ID: <327EE43E.525A@caribe.net>
Oh shit about this final fantasy prog music, I TOTALLY agree. And even
better with Celes' track. Secret of Mana also has a few good tunes..
Kain
-- |------------------------------------------------| |Me and my newest incarnation.... | |http://www.activision.com/bloodomen/index.html | |Be prepared for the ultimate bloodfest... | |------------------------------------------------|------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:55:15 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prog Christmas tunes Message-ID: <199611050602.XAA09786@cyberhighway.net>
> And for the Dream Theater fans, a version of Oh Holy night, but it is of poor > sound quality to play on the air. > > What am I missing? Sorry that this may be off-topic, but ... I figured that > the progressive fans could help me here. Email me at
At least put some Sav or TSO on there. I'd have you play a song I wrote called "Nuclear Winter" but I'm still finishing it up. It's also and new agey, Christmas Eve Sarajevo 12/24 type song, too. It's not a spin-off of an old Christmas song, it's more of a dark winter song to give you the chills type song.
Definitely some TSO! IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
Most Frequent Poseur on the Dream Theater Mailing list (10/96)
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:11:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Christmas Songs Message-ID: <199611050611.BAA147843@pilot10.cl.msu.edu>
I know Tye O Negative isn't very prog, but the new one is amazing and it has Red Water(Christmas Mourning) on it. A little somber coming after something like Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer or what ever, but it might break things up a little while still keeping in theme.
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter
For most people, music is a backdrop for their lives. For me, my life is a backdrop for my music.
GB/MU d- s++:-- a-- C++ !U P? !L E--- W+ N-- K- w-- !O M-- !V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t++ 5 X+ R tv+ b+++ DI+++ D++ G- e* h++ r--- !y+ (The above Geek Code may be decoded at http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/ geek/geek.cgi)
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:37:38 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James is heavy metal Message-ID: <199611050637.BAA11901@beasley.cris.com>
>From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> >Subject: Re: WDADU worth buying? > >I don't really care for James's treatment of "The >Killing Hand" & "Fortune in Lies", because he gets to "heavy metal" with it >(if you know what I mean). Charlie's voice was more controlled maybe?
You're right about James "metallizing" those tunes, especially near the end of The Killing Hand. But you know, despite how silly it seems, I really enjoy it. The funny thing about my enjoyment of it, is that I've gotten away from Metal and Prog for a while, and when I started digging DT, they were as close to Metal as I'd get. But now, my Metal-years have been rekindled, and James' metallizing is welcomed by me.
-Rick
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 01:43:28 -0500 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ***radio setlist... *** Message-ID: <327EE210.6C72@earthlink.net>
> >(List of 10 tunes....none of which are DT.) > > > >-news- > > > >(List of 10 tunes....none of which are DT.) > > > >till next week..more insanity to come... > > Um............ maybe it's just me......but.........what's wrong with the > above excerpt? Exactly. > > -Rick Its just you.
I post these lists, Rick, because these bands have little or no exposure here in the states and I am VERY proud of the fact that at least I'm trying to help them out and DO SOMETHING about it by letting listeners (and other Jammers) know about 'em... I try to play DT once in a while (If you've been reading any of my setlists at all), but I have so many other bands I'd rather promote instead of DT...I'm sure some would love it if I played DT straight for 2 hours..well, I wouldn't..It would be boring So I guess my postings in the future should contain a fraction of DTC in order to rationalize the use of bandwidth?? Thats bullshit..because right now, nothing much is going on except for people giving a friggin update every goddamn second that they got their Birch Hill Tickets and how they want to string up Neil Peart. WOW..thats just so fascinating!! Tell ya what..next time..I'll just throw in a song for good measure so as not to offend anyone (yeah right!) Sorry for flippin' out..but my fucking eyes shot out of my skull when I read that!!!!
Here is my DTC: WDADU is ten times more complex (and better) than AWAKE (and thats the truth)
a very irate, Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
-- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:05:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shred Message-ID: <199611050605.XAA22878@acme.csusb.edu>
Before anybody thinks about making a long and eloquent speech to make evident their ignorance as did our fellow Jammer, Chris Ptacek <sp?>, I would like to make known my personal definition of the word shred.
Shred- (v) to absolutely kick ass on a musical instrument, in a way that is distinctive, beautiful, and tasteful.
Chris, don't flame me for saying that Adrian Legg shreds. And he is not country. The guy is british, and it's FOLK music. And his albums are just as good. I can drive 115 on the freeway with him in my disc player same as Satch, Vai, or DT.
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 03:41:11 -0500 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King's X; WDADU Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961105084111.324763a4@pop.negia.net>
Greetings, Ytsejammers (tm)....
Brandon <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> says:
>Hey jammers...I got a quick question on KX: >I have noticed that some other guy sings some of the songs besides Doug. >Am I right in this? For instance, he does vocals for "lies in the >sand", "life going by", and "legal kill." Is this another band member or >is it really Doug?
Unless I'm way off the mark, it's probably Ty Tabor. I don't think Doug's voice could sound as different as it does in those songs, as well as several others (I can think of at least three on "Faith Hope Love" offhand).
DT content: Okay, okay, everybody! I get the message: WDADU is worth picking up. Soon. Sorry for not knowing better! :)
Seriously, though, thanks for the considered opinions. Now I just need to find a store that sells it...(I went looking in the store where I saw it a couple days ago and it's gone now). Figures....
Cheers, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net * Millennium * Caroline in the City * * Rush * Sandman * Dream Theater * Pittsburgh Penguins * Star Wars * "Jesus saves... ...but Lemieux picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!!!" * Yanni * David Eddings * Michael Whelan * Atlanta Braves * Batman * =========================================================
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 03:16:05 -0500 From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mr. Buttram Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961105081605.0069996c@ee.net>
>I have just received confirmation of my un-subscription to this newsletter, >because in the dozen or so issues I received, the only place Dream Theater >was mentioned was by someone who said they were a fan.
>If this is an e-mail chat room, then fine, but just to let you know, a true >DT fan waded through a lot of crap waiting on some DT info (or even >conversation).
>Regards, >Brian D. Burttram
Well thank you very much Mr. BUTTRAM. Maybe if you'd stuck around a while you'd find out that this newsletter is much like a Dream Theater album at times...after a while you really start to pick up on the hidden treasures.
If it wasn't for the occassional bursts of really relative information I get from my friends here on the 'jam, I would have never met Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci this summer. If it wasn't for the Ytsejam and the fans here that make it happen, I would not have my autographed limited edition copy of "WDATU". Finally, if it wasn't for the 'jam, I may not have known that there even existed such a tight brotherhood (and sisterhood) of devoted fans such as myself out there, who continue to promote and support DT together in an effort to keep real music like DT alive.
There is a lot more to this little "organization" than meets the eye, and we're not here to cater to you. As with any other mailing list, we have our share of meaningless babble, but when it comes right down to it this is a home for some of us real DT fans. So Mr. BUTTRAM, thank you for unsubscribing and taking your negative input with you.
buster
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:02:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "bar bands" my ass Message-ID: <199611050902.AA17330@crl3.crl.com>
Damn, if I'd read that interview from Neil before tickets went on sale for the Atlanta Rush show, I'd have skipped it. As it is, I can't scalp them since they're Ticketmaster first-pulls (our convention is, uh, a TM client :)). Damn. Oh, well, I'll go, but if I see him riding his bike downtown, he'll get an earful.
Further damn; I need to change my sig.
-- Paul W. Cashman | Better the pride that resides vanyel@crl.com | In a Citizen of the World www.crl.com/~vanyel | Than the pride that divides lyrics by Neil Peart ------> When a colorful rag is unfurled
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 10:40:35 +0100 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: Tits like coconuts... Message-ID: <9611050940.AA00244@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
..and sparrows like breadcrumbs
Hi all
more random bits and pieces from the cess-pit of my mind that may or may not have been inspired by stuff appearing on the Jam lately.
It's nice to see the pro-Pearters and the anti-Pearters going for each others jugulars like two pit-bull terriers. This is what prog/metal is all about, folks: pay me a tribute and I'll kick you in the balls.
The title of the new Dream Theater album will have a literary twist to it. The working title is 'Godot', because we've been waiting long enough for it. But what's all the fuss about anyway? When the name of the new My Dying Bride album was announced on their mailing list, there were posts from hundreds of people creaming their y-fronts because they now knew the title - big deal (for your information, the My Dying Bride list is even more full of shit than our beloved Jam, but like the Jam, it sometimes contains some great music tips). Oh, and for those of you who don't know who Godot is, I suggest going to your local library and looking it up - at least it will stop some of you playing dumb Nintendo games all day.
I finally managed to find a CD dealer who was able to order the Lemur Voice album for me (it should be here by Friday). While I was in the shop, I picked up two CDs that could be of interest to some of you.
Neil's CD Tips: Chapter 23
The 3rd And The Mortal - Tears Laid In Earth
A must for anybody who likes the last album 'Painting On Glass'. Recorded with the old singer, this is music that just flows and oozes from the speakers, carrying you with it, leaving you contented and peaceful when it has finished. How come most of the good bands in this genre are Scandinavian (how about an answer, Mape?).
Vanden Plas - AcCult
Released in France in April, this album is now available on general release. Another fine effort by one of the best up-and-coming bands in Germany, this acoustic album contains reworkings of three of their own tracks plus covers of other stuff including 'Kayleigh' (Marillion) and 'Spanish Rain' (Saigon Kick). Definately worth listening to.
That's nearly all for today folks, except a little snippet of wisdom for all you American jammers who will be voting today: every country gets the government it deserves.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Memento Mori - Le Danse Macabre
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:05:29 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Aynsley Dunbar Message-ID: <199611051208.OAA20423@pepe.online.ee>
>I have an old Journey album with Aynsley Dunbar (sp?) on drums. Anyone >think this fellow can play? I do :) Didn't he play on a Zappa album or
I don't know anything about it, but I do know that he played on Whitesnake's "1987".
Raitz
"One of nature's greatest wonders is the ability of the human ear to distinguish among a million of sounds around us. Listen!"
"BBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!"
Devin Townsend & Strapping Young Lad
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:25:59 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I'm the new Mindcrimer Message-ID: <199611051228.OAA21618@pepe.online.ee>
>> OTOH, I've got very little respect for Shadow Gallery and some >> of the other progmetal-bandwagoneers that seem to crop up everywhere
>another closed-mind Frederico tom me. The only thing setting these >bands back from Dream Theater, Rush, etc. is that they've mostly only >had one (Whoah, Blue SweetTarts Rule!) album that was IMHO
Only thing I can say is that I'm probably in the club with him. I don't like Shadow Gallery either, though I haven't heard the other bands mentioned. If they're like Shadow Gallery in some way, I don't wanna hear about them. :-) Technical, yes. Well-done, yes. Dull, yes. Prowess isn't everything.
And besides, you don't have to throw the goddamn stupid imho-acronyms everywhere just to make clear that you said what you meant. Isn't it obvious that it's solely your opinion if you post something? Blah.
I don't feel I'm a close-minded buttfuck only because I don't like some bands that are praised here on the Jam. Is it a crime? Or is good taste not relative anymore?
Raitz
P.S. Cast that spell-spell-spell on me... ;-)
"One of nature's greatest wonders is the ability of the human ear to distinguish among a million of sounds around us. Listen!"
"BBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!"
Devin Townsend & Strapping Young Lad
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:28:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1989 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.961105131815.11735A-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
> 1: Dt isnt touring right now..since they are busy with their new > album..expected in early 97,but they will do 5 shows in december..but they > will take place in the tri-state area...NY,Nj,Ct (i think)...also for the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How many of these "tri-state" areas are there? I thought I visited the only one (the corner where OH, KY and WV all join), but apparrently they are popping up all over the place ;-)
The title of the new Dream Theater album will be "Chilli-beans and Turds".
Graham B. _______________________________________________ | o o | | Graham Borland |:: | graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk |:: | http://grelb.src.gla.ac.uk:8000/~graham |:: |_______________________________________________|:: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:59:39 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1989 Message-ID: <199611051359.JAA01674@mail.caribe.net>
> >How many of these "tri-state" areas are there? I thought I visited the >only one (the corner where OH, KY and WV all join), but apparrently >they are popping up all over the place ;-) I dont know ..but for me it has always been NY NJ CT ... hehe
> >The title of the new Dream Theater album will be "Chilli-beans and Turds".
yeah..its gonna show some of their beavis and butthead influences..
-Carlos
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 15:44:52 +0100 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: grrrrrrrrrrr Message-ID: <v03007800aea4a39dd15d@[128.178.99.94]>
Hi it's Dave King back again, pissed off as usual :-)=)
>She used one of her two Bosendorfer pianos (Oh God how I love those) >and her harpsichord (that's the one you meant). I bought the new >"In The Springtime Of His Voodoo" CD-single last week... There are >four (!) dance-mixes of that song on it... I'm ashamed to say that I >actually like them :-> Especially the "Hasbrouck Heights Club Mix" >(10:04!) and the "Quiet Mix". > >Oh well, enough off-topic stuph from me... (for now)
mmmm...Tori Amos off-topic, not so sure. actually a lot of her stuff is quite prog
>>- No. It's not a tribute album at all, and I don't care about it, I >>don't wanna fight it, I don't wanna help it. These people just keep >>putting out these cover albums, and the only reason they do it is to make >>money. >>Tribute albums have completely changed in the last couple of years to >>where they aren't tributes anymore, they're just people cashing in on >>other peoples work. And they're just a bunch of bar-bands doing it, it's >>not like they're musicians paying tribute to Rush in any way.
Hey who the fuck is this jerk? I heard he plays in a band called Rush of which i recently got the tribute working man. i don't have anything from Rush but this tribute made me want to get into them. so normally i would be getting 3-4 albums of rush to start with. but hey, do i want my money going this jerk's way? i prefer giving money to a bunch of excellent i mean really excellent musicians who give me a pleasant time of listening. when will rush grow up and understand that working man will serve them above anyone else? there are a lot of people out there who are into prog only recently and hear a lot about rush and hear that working man is out and they get it because mp or jp or whoever is on it and they find that the songs are cewl and rush is complaining about this happening? jeez and most above all, i find it disgusting pissing in zig-zag on what they call (yes i say "they" cos one member speaks for all the band) bar-bands. in my town over here i'm already mega pissed-off because we bands keep shooting others in the back and we're nowhere even near pro. well listen to this: tomorrow i'm ordering lemur voice and symphony x. how about that? hahhaha
hey sorry neil, ged and mr lifeson: you've lost a potential client. being excellent musicians does not allow you being ass-holes all over the place.
........................................................................ D A V E K I N G v o x & b a s s M T - 2 0
"Holding on is easier than letting go" (fw) "I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt) "Life's a bitch?; so fuck it!!" (dk)
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:53:46 -0600 From: bishop@cts1.internetwis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TSO Message-ID: <199611051453.IAA26670@cts1.internetwis.com>
hey all, i picked up TSO the other day, and all i can say is, GET IT!! this cd rules!! i haven't been able to stop listening to it. especially 'a star to follow' and 'ornament'. also, while i was reading the liner, guess who's name i noticed. :) Nathan Bradley's name. :) way to go nate! :)
later all!
mathew
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:22:17 +0100 From: e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kevin Moore interview Message-ID: <9611051622.AA125612@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
Hi jammers !
I decided not to translate the whole Kev interview into English, but to do a short summary. Since the interview was translated into German first, it wouldn't be the exact words that Kevin used. Here it goes:
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* About his departure from DT: The decision to leave DT wasn't an easy one for Kevin. It was a shock for the rest of the band, but he was convinced that it was the best for DT's music as well as his own.
* About the style of his music: He calls it "Keyboard-oriented semi-progressive Rock".
* About a record deal: Some Japanese record company was interested in Kevin's music, but they wanted to see a fixed line-up, and above all, a solo guitarist. Since there won't be any lead breaks in his songs, Kevin decided to do everything on his own.
* About his fellow musicians: He named three guys who will play on his record. - Jason Anderson (Guitar) - Joey Vera (Bass) - Mark Zonder (Drums)
* About the recording work: This should be done by the end of october.
* About the new album: It will first be distributed in the US, later on in Europe. It should be available in spring 1997.
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That's pretty much it. To repeat it again: the full interview (in German) can be found in the November issue of the "Rock Hard" magazine. There's also a picture of Kevin with short hair. Sorry people, before you ask: I can't scan it now, maybe later.
Take care, LoneWolf.
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