YTSEJAM Digest 1990
Today's Topics:
1) Aynsley
by svjohnson@amoco.com
2) G3 Detroit,
by S Hacker <94001988@lambton.on.ca>
3) Acoustics...
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1989
by Michael Van Opstall <vnopstal@samwise.cs.hope.edu>
5) When Dream and Day Unite
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) WDADU worth buying?
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
7) PROG-METAL radio setlist #6.........
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1989
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
9) NP interview comments
by d94-mry@nada.kth.se
10) vocals on King's X
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) Re: Slew 'O Posts (1)
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
12) Opening band for the dt shows....
by Mark Stahl <stahl@primenet.com>
13) This is ridiculous...
by Brian Burttram <burttram@netone.com>
14) Re: New Album Title, Opening Act
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
15) Prog Christmas tunes
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16) Winter Rose
by "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
17) BUUURRRNNN!!!!! (crackle)
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
18) Re: This is ridiculous...
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 16:51:52 -0600
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Aynsley
Message-ID: <199611042252.AA06634@interlock.amoco.com>
>I have an old Journey album with Aynsley Dunbar (sp?) on drums.
>Anyone think this fellow can play? I do :) Didn't he play on a Zappa
>album or three?
Maybe I'm not the first to tell ya....he also played on the Whitesnake
eponymous CD ("Heat of the Night", etc.). He is VERY good.
Steve
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:59:58 -0500 (EST)
From: S Hacker <94001988@lambton.on.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: G3 Detroit,
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.961104175805.1793A-100000@white.lambton.on.ca>
I went to the G3 Tour in Detroit, and it blew my mind. An incredible
show, that i will never forget. This Sunday i get to work with I Mother
Earth, as they are coming to my town, and I have the lovely job of setting
up for them. But G3, if it comes by dont miss, it or you will be sorry
Phil
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:05:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Acoustics...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.961104164752.1905A-100000@scc.net>
Recently I saw a concert and I'd like to tell you about it.
Picture if you will, a bald English man sitting on a stool in the center
of the stage cracking jokes and telling of music from the time when music
was music.
He then begins plucking his rather largish and strange looking guitar.
The acoustic tone if this thing is HUGE! It's so clear it sounds like it
has to be electric, but there's no knobs or whammies on this thing. It's
just him playing bass line, melody and harmony at the same time, making
it look like anyone could do it. Seeing him perform is amazing because
he sits there so still and lets his guitar speak. His hands move
dexteriously across the instrument like it's a part of his own form...
And then the most amazing thing happens. While he's plucking and
strumming, he reaches over and cranks one of his tuning knobs (at the top
of the neck of the guitar) DOWN A HALF STEP! When I first saw this, I
was in utter shock. I mean, usually people touch those knobs BEFORE the
concert, not during. It's like, that's the one part of the instrument
that the guitarist seems to HATE to touch, but they must, yet it's still
a chore to tune. Anyway, I figured either my eyes had deceived me, or
maybe he had gotten into another part of the song where it was required
of him to tune down. (Possibly a key change?)
But then he did it again. On another string. This is WHILE HE'S
PLAYING, mind you. He just nimbly gave it a twist and it went down a
half step and he seemed to think nothing of it, as if everyone could do
it. Well, as the song went on, he CONTINUED to re-adjust his strings,
tuning them up and down, giving the note that was played a sort of swoop
up or down (Kind of like a trombone's ability to do so). The at one
point in the song, he had one hand strumming while the other was
CONSTANTLY changing all 6 strings. Each note he played was "swooping" up
or down and it sounded PERFECT!
This man has single-handedly taken one of the most dreaded part of
playing a stringed instrument, tuning, and turned it into a plus, and
actually a joy to watch and hear! The one piece of the guitar that has
been neglected since the dawn of time suddenly is a new aspect to be
explored! Without the help of machine or gizmo, this man took his guitar
playing to a new and amazing level.
Who is this man?
Adrian Legg.
The " O P E N I N G A C T " of G3 in the Midwest...
The rest of the night consisted of blistering guitar solos and amazing
tapping sequences but in terms of innovation, Adrian took the cake.
Now if you plan on flaming this post, saying that this isn't truly
innovative because Raphael Smo-and-smo from Helsinki or whatever did it
first, well fuck me in the goat-ass! Don't burst my bubble. Adrian rocked
and there's nothing you can do to change that. Pbpbpbpbpb!!!!!
That's all. Bye!
- Dr. Teeth
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:11:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Van Opstall <vnopstal@samwise.cs.hope.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1989
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961104181119.15608A-100000@samwise>
Ho Ho Hoey - it rocks.
Michael A. Van Opstall -- vnopstal@cs.hope.edu
http://www.cs.hope.edu/~vnopstal/
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:25:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: When Dream and Day Unite
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.961104172114.25812A-100000@enteract.com>
How can you NOT have everything Dream Theater makes readily
available to us for little cost? It was worth it in '92 when I had to buy
it as an import, and it's even more so that it's available for $10.99 at
Best Buy. I personally think Charlie is exellent on the album... his live
stuff is the only thing that I find flaw in. He's very accurate, just not
James LaBrie. As someone else said "Do not fear Dominici" The album has
IMO the best lyrics DT has done.
"You can deviate from the commonplace only to fall back in line."
Words to live by... on WDADU
--------------------------------------
Christopher Ptacek at Enteract, L.L.C.
Technical Support Engineer
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
T h o u g l e e k i n g o n i o n e y e d d e a t h t o k e n
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:10:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WDADU worth buying?
Message-ID: <199611042310.SAA13601@beasley.cris.com>
Phil Carter queried,
>More DT content: Is there anything at all about "When Dream and Day Unite"
>that makes it worth picking up? I've heard so many nasty things about the
>vocals that I've avoided it like the plague so far...
This is a very subjective issue. It seems as though a handful of people
really like Charlie's voice, so I can't say "His voice sucks", or "His voice
rocks", because neither statement is based on fact. Personally, I don't like
his voice, but that doesn't stop me from listening to the album. The music
on it is WELL WORTH owning. It took me many, many listenings before liking
the majority of that record, mainly because I was coming from being a cured
I&W fanatic. The two albums are quite different, but WDADU has it's own charm.
What really got me into the album was hearing the tunes that were redone on
LatM. Those older songs rock so hard on LatM that I came to a new awareness
that I actually *did* like the songs on WDADU. Also, if you find the music
minus vocals to be desirable, check into obtaining a copy of InstruMental I,
which has four WDADU songs recorded without vocals. I think Tim Lodge has
copies of that one at axe@nai.net. And like I mentioned above, Live at the
Marquee has a couple of tunes from the album, but of course with JLB on
vocals. Smokin'!!
-Rick
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\****************** Richard S. Audet ******************/
/*************** ytse@cris.com ****************\
\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ****/
/********* University of Florida *********\
\***** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ****/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 18:40:32 -0500
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: PROG-METAL radio setlist #6.........
Message-ID: <327E7EF0.6394@earthlink.net>
Whats up guys,
Sorry for posting this almost a week after it aired..school is
getting pretty intense now..probbaly won't let up till I finish the
semester the first week of December. Wanna do an instrumental show
before the winter break..looks like I'll only have 3 or 4 more shows
since one of the Wed. I'll be off for Thanksgiving.
Only 2 WEEKS until the Jason Becker Benefit Concert in Chicago!!!!!!!!
anyhow, here ya go........A couple of holiday classics were played..try
to figure out which ones :-)
HELLOWEEN: "Halloween" (13:18)
FATES WARNING: "Guardian"
ZEITGEIST: "Behind the Eyes of Time"
GOTHIC KNIGHTS: "War In The Sky"
QUEENSRYCHE: "En Force"
ATTACK: "Danger In The Air"
RUSH: "Vital Signs"
MANIA: "Wizard of the Lost Kingdom"
DEATH: "Overactive Imagination"
SANCTUARY: "Battle Angels"
-news-
IRON MAIDEN: "Where Eagles Dare"
ELEGY: "Lost"
KING DIAMOND: "Halloween"
SECRECY: "Acting With Intellect"
MASTERMIND: "Looking Ahead"
BLIND GUARDIAN: "Lost In The Twilight Hall"
SAVATAGE: "Power Of The Night"
METAL CHURCH: "Metal Church"
MANOWAR: "Wheels Of Fire"
RUNNING WILD: "Port Royal"
till next week..more insanity to come...
cheers,
Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
--
_
__| |__
"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
|_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 18:59:23 +0000
From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1989
Message-ID: <327E3D0B.3A0B@earthlink.net>
> More DT content: Is there anything at all about "When Dream and Day Unite"
> that makes it worth picking up? I've heard so many nasty things about the
> vocals that I've avoided it like the plague so far...
its DT, and that should be enough to pick it up, actually on
some of the songs the vocals arent that bad, and the guitar
playing, well need i say more.
--
Stan Tyszka
drums and bass
SSTYS@EARTHLINK.NET
STYS@HOTMAIL.COM
(((THIS SPACE FOR RENT)))
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:10:48 +0100 (MET)
From: d94-mry@nada.kth.se
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NP interview comments
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2x.961105004247.21160A-100000@dront.nada.kth.se>
Hi,
yes, I know the "bar-band"-segment of the NP interview sounds kindof
harsh. I should've added the (laughs) and (pauses) in the interview but
didn't really have the time to put them back in, since the document i
used was already a bit edited. Anyway, Neil paused a couple of times
during that part of the interview and seemed a bit displeased talking
about it. "They're just a bunch of... bar bands doing it (laughs) you
know..." I think was the exact sentence, if that makes it any less harsh.
I don't really think he completely meant what he said, I mean i think
he's got some respect for Steve Morse and Billy Sheehan (the've toured
together) and hopefully Mike and the DT-guys as well. I think he spoke of
these tribute albums in general, and let's face it: the Magna Carta-ones
are mass produced "all your favourite prog hits from the 70's done by
all of your favourite groups of the 90's" even if maybe the intention is
not as evil as it sounds here.
OTOH, I've got very little respect for Shadow Gallery and some
of the other progmetal-bandwagoneers that seem to crop up everywhere
recently. Lemur Voice has got a good instrumental song on their album and
Altura has got some good tracks, Elegy's half-acoustic thing is cheesy by
nice, Laberinto is great! but generally this "second wave of..."
lacks severly in soul, feel, songwriting and most other things that'll
make music good.
And c'mon, I mean, the line-up for the tribute was not that amazing,
nor the covers themselves. DT, FW, Steve Morse, the Cynic-guys, Devin,
Billy and Deen were good. Working Man is okay, Analog Kid is flashy
but ok, The Trees is completely awful, La Villa... is very good, Mission
is so-so, Anthem needed vocals, Jacob's Ladder is ok, Closer To The Heart
is good, Natural Science is great, Yyz is so-so, Red Barchetta is very
good and Freewill is kinda boring. All IMO. I think the covers are done
too stylisticly strict with far too much flash from people that need to
lay back. However I don't think Mike overplays, which some people have
said. And Deen rules and swings. As do Billy-boy and the Seans. I would
have appreciated some real re-arrangements or innovative things. Now
there's almost "all flash and no smash".
Putting on the asbestos-suit...
/Mats Rydstrom
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:15:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: vocals on King's X
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.961104191130.26389C-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Hey jammers...I got a quick question on KX:
I have noticed that some other guy sings some of the songs besides Doug.
Am I right in this? For instance, he does vocals for "lies in the
sand", "life going by", and "legal kill." Is this another band member or
is it really Doug?
Brandon (Taco Belhai)
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 19:49:24 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Slew 'O Posts (1)
Message-ID: <9611050049.AA20453@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
MIke. White people aren't funny. I dispute. Several people on this list,
(Okay, maybe only d-man), think I am pretty damn funny. And Bafu, I am
Italian, although a blind mafia wouldn't be very effective, would it? Could
you imagine that mess? A blind mafia. Look out world, here come the blinks.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 16:50:37 -0800
From: Mark Stahl <stahl@primenet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Opening band for the dt shows....
Message-ID: <327E8F5D.38CD@primenet.com>
I believe Bafu wrote that Pleasure Crush would be opening for DT at all
the shows in December. Well for those of you going I hope you bring
warm clothes!! I remember last year at the El-N-Gee in New London
i waited for about 2 1/2 hours outside in the cold because the drummer
for this band didn't like the way his drums sounded!! If i'm wrong
someone correct me....but i think i would remember WHY i waited in the
cold for over 2 hours.....or maybe my brain froze....
-mark
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:16:56 -0700 (MST)
From: Brian Burttram <burttram@netone.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This is ridiculous...
Message-ID: <199611050116.SAA12389@ns1.netone.com>
I have just received confirmation of my un-subscription to this newsletter,
because in the dozen or so issues I received, the only place Dream Theater
was mentioned was by someone who said they were a fan.
If this is an e-mail chat room, then fine, but just to let you know, a true
DT fan waded through a lot of crap waiting on some DT info (or even
conversation).
I won't see any posts that are on this mailer, but if you have comments,
feel free to e-mail me.
---------------------
Just for those of you who are REALLY interested in what the band is up to,
Mike said at a clinic in Denver that they have over 2 hours of material
ready for the new album, which does not eliminate/imply the chances of a
double album. He also said that rather than the Februaryish date we've been
looking for, we will more than likely have to wait until late Spring or
early Summer for the new release.
He jammed to a recording of Peruvian Skies, which is pretty straight forward
but was still unbelievable. He played another (the name escapes me) which
will rival some of the other biggies, and he also claims that the Metropolis
Part II will put the first one to shame. Hard to believe, but I will wait
with bated breath to find out!
Regards,
Brian D. Burttram
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 20:28:05 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New Album Title, Opening Act
Message-ID: <9611050128.AA20176@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Pleasure Crush? Anybody have any info on them? Like what they sound like,
what kind of music? Prog? Metal? both? What the hell aare these guys?
Damon Fibraio
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 20:32:39 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: paperlate@ansto.gov.au
Subject: Prog Christmas tunes
Message-ID: <9611050132.AA06707@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
OK. Here's a question that I would love to challenge the masses on. Christmas
is approaching, and for my progressive rock radio show, I want to do some
christmas prog tunes. Here's what I know so far:
Yes: Run with the Fox, (YesYears box set, disk 3)
ELP: I believe in father christmas (Only have the version on the box set, and
don't like it much, compared with the old version, what album is that on
anyway?>)
And for the Dream Theater fans, a version of Oh Holy night, but it is of poor
sound quality to play on the air.
What am I missing? Sorry that this may be off-topic, but ... I figured that
the progressive fans could help me here. Email me at
s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:36:56 -0700 (MST)
From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Winter Rose
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961104182904.7622A-100000@moon.pr.erau.edu>
Hey all!
Just got ahold of some Winter Rose live shows on tape from a couple of
years back...WOW!
I gotta say that Labrie hasn't changed a bit since...he was as powerful
then as he is now. The music I think is like a cross between old Skid
Row and Whitesnake! Not bad, but definately Glam-ish. Actually, the
songs sound great, albiet some are a tad cloned.
Altogether the best is just listening to Labrie go on inbetween the
songs...he STILL uses the same material:
"You guys are really loud tonight!"
"Awwwwlrhight!!"
-and-
"Check this one out..."
I really loved the "We're havin' a fuckin' good time tongiht!"
I guess the show was a live broadcast on some station out of Toronto.
Overall the sound quality is good for a bootleg. Everythings clear and
clean!
Does anyone know if this band actually released any studio material?
If anyone wants to make a tape trade, e-mail me privately....
Bye-bye
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Its always the same...wake up in the rain...head in pain...hung in shame
..a different name...same old game...love in vain...and miles and miles and
miles and miles and miles away from home again.
THE CURE
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++ THE DEVIL'S PLAYTHING ++
++ papined@pr.erau.edu ++
++ David Papineau ++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:32:15 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BUUURRRNNN!!!!! (crackle)
Message-ID: <199611050139.SAA00352@cyberhighway.net>
> OTOH, I've got very little respect for Shadow Gallery and some
> of the other progmetal-bandwagoneers that seem to crop up everywhere
> recently. Lemur Voice has got a good instrumental song on their album and
> Altura has got some good tracks, Elegy's half-acoustic thing is cheesy by
> nice, Laberinto is great! but generally this "second wave of..."
> lacks severly in soul, feel, songwriting and most other things that'll
> make music good.
Hrm, I sense another Mindcrimer attack coming to this fellow. You
said it, bub, not me. You also fergot the magic "IMHO" so's ppl are
gonna take more offense to it cuz the ppl who haven't actually heard
this "Bandwagoneer" stuff could be turned off to it. You sound like
another closed-mind Frederico tom me. The only thing setting these
bands back from Dream Theater, Rush, etc. is that they've mostly only had
one (Whoah, Blue SweetTarts Rule!) album that was IMHO <---(Notice!)
poorly produced. Setting that aside, the music is as intricate and as
unorthodox as old prog. Remember, DT isn't that old, either, and
their first album is great but poorly produced as well. If you've
tried them and don't like them, that's fine, I won't argue with you
there. Just don't defend some lame-ass comment that Peart has
because a group of bands got together one say and said, "let's play
some RUSH!", got it on CD, and produced them. I can think of no
bigger tribute than a group of people getting together and jammin'
out with someone else's tunes. Especially when they have plenty of
thier own they could be playing. These guys took time out of their
schedules to do this and I don't think it's right for Neil to knock
'em. Even "bar bands" deserve some credit. Neil's a nadlezz
crybabay. :P
>Putting on the asbestos-suit...
Burn, baby, BURN!!!!!!! (or get cancer, heheh)
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
Most Frequent Poseur on the
Dream Theater Mailing list (10/96)
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:01:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: This is ridiculous...
Message-ID: <199611050201.WAA08110@mail.caribe.net>
At 05:25 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>Just for those of you who are REALLY interested in what the band is up to,
>Mike said at a clinic in Denver that they have over 2 hours of material
>ready for the new album, <snip snip>
>He jammed to a recording of Peruvian Skies, which is pretty straight forward
>but was still unbelievable. <snip snip>
>Regards,
>Brian D. Burttram
>
>
Im sorry..but if you READ your jams intstead of complaining about the
"supposed" non-dream theater content.. youd notice that these things you say
have been mentioned here at least 2 months ago.. or more... so read the jams
.. wade thru the topics..or whatever
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend
Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 1990
**************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:58:54 EST