YTSEJAM Digest 1995
Today's Topics:
1) Us & Them: the Symphonic Works of Pink Floyd
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
2) DTC Percentage Steadily Dropping! Do Your Part Today!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1992
by Stan <stys@hotmail.com>
4) Re: Just when you thought it was safe to have opinions...
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
5) games/titles
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
6) Coupla Things...
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
7) Peart and his big mouth
by Rick <Richard_Harris@brown.edu>
8) Old threads
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
9) Apologies offered
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
10) WDADU
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
11) portnoy and petrucci in danbury
by nicole mercedes gerace <lunitaria@worldnet.att.net>
12) Adrian Legg
by Polo Santos <ytse_jammer@mail.utexas.edu>
13) Prog Nite in NYC
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
14) Apologetic DJ
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
15) Iced Earth, Angra
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:14:41 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Us & Them: the Symphonic Works of Pink Floyd
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0006D258@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
My dad, probably unknowingly purchased a CD entitled:
*Us & Them: the Symphonic Works of Pink Floyd*
It has orchestrated versions of PK songs from Dark Side of the Moon & The
Wall.
If you know your classical music, a lot it sounds like Vaughn Williams,
with his infamous double string arrangements. Its actually quite good.
One interesting thing is that the cover art work is by Roger Dean (*the
famous **Yes** cover artist*). According to the liner notes, RD once
shared an apartment with the equally (in)famous Syd Barrett.
If you like classical, you'd probably like this album and the PK
arrangements-they're not straight-forward, but rather more
impressionistic-like PK music. Somewhat like the Symphonic Works of Yes,
but without any band participation in any of the pieces.
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:26:26 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DTC Percentage Steadily Dropping! Do Your Part Today!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9611052002.J24124-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: John McCabe <caber1@concentric.net>
>
> DragonLady blindly wrote:
> >Have I been gone a year already!!!
> >LOL
> Who is this?
She's someone that was here last year.
> Okay, I think its time for some DTC! How about people who have been on this
> list bring up some of the "old" threads from the past! This could be about
> what Lie is about or what the is [insert DT member here] playing at x:xx of
> [insert song here]. Because new jammers want some DTC let's give it to them! :-)
Oh, God, no. I can see it now. "If you had to replace this member, who
would it be?" "Which version of ACoS is better?" "Who do you most want
to see open for DT?" Please, please, please, no.
----> From: Jhon W Happe <jared@stlnet.com> > Subject: election tuesday > > i would like to say that i hope dole gets his ass whoped!im very pissed > that my parents are voting for him (most conservative people make me > sick)
Thank you. Very informative and objective. The Jam is a better place now.
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> From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx> > Subject: Re: WDADU worth buying? > > The production on this album is bad...
Opinion.
> better get the same songs with LaBrie singing > I know theres an album with those songs....
It's a bootleg called "When Dream and Today Unite."
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> From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> > Subject: Onomatopoeia > > Anybody remember this word from English class? > > It's the reason we all read that dude's name as BUTT-RAM.
Thank you. Very informative and objective. The Jam is a better place now.
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> From: matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu> > Subject: WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?! > > what the fuck?!?!?! an r&b/rap cover of "bohemien rhapsody"?!?!?!
Who had the cojones to do that?
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> From: "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1993 > > Intellivision ruled. hehe
Thank you. Very informative and objective. The Jam is a better place now.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 19:50:54 +0000 From: Stan <stys@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1992 Message-ID: <327F9A9E.1E1A@hotmail.com>
>I don't really care for James's treatment of "The >Killing Hand" & "Fortune in Lies", because he gets to "heavy metal" with it >(if you know what I mean). Charlie's voice was more controlled maybe?
ouch i thought FiL was heavy metal???????????????? -- Stan Tyszka drums and bass SSTYS@EARTHLINK.NET STYS@HOTMAIL.COM (((THIS SPACE FOR RENT)))
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:52:25 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Just when you thought it was safe to have opinions... Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961105205621.37cfdf18@access.mountain.net>
At 10:03 AM 11/5/96 -0800, D-Man wrote: >> From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk> >> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1989 >> >> How many of these "tri-state" areas are there? I thought I visited the >> only one (the corner where OH, KY and WV all join), but apparrently >> they are popping up all over the place ;-) > >Being from LI, there's only one tri-state area to me. :) (Besides, >people in Kentucky and West Virginia wouldn't understand the prefix >"tri-" anyway. OUCH! Where's those asbestos longjohns?)
Hey now! Give me 3 years and a guarantee that my West Virginia University law degree will be good enough to sue your ass! :)
Hey, I'm just glad you guys know we exist as a separate state.
A Mountaineer and damn proud of it . . .
Jonathan Byrne, 1L West Virginia University College of Law rael@access.mountain.net http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Hard mover platform weaver; change topic slight of hand Issue bender, big speech giver; power tie & photo tan." -Brett Kull & Ray Weston, "As the World", echolyn
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:56:31 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: games/titles Message-ID: <199611060207.UAA13778@Walden.MO.NET>
yeah, Intellivision was the thing, but what about the Texas Instruments TI-99, or the Colecovision (which I never got :( ). Our first computer here was an old Radio Shack TRS-80. yeah, we had some boat anchors.
Now some DTC: Actually, i dig that idea for the new album title. Godot. whatever the band is really considering for te title, I do dig the idea of a literary twist. it was all the literary references that got me into Maiden big time (I already liked the music). Really, i don't care much what the title is, as long as the music is true to DT's talent. And yes, I am MUCH more anxious to hear the tunes than to hear the title. Actually, now that I think of it, knowing the title will probably only make me more anxious to hear the tunes, since it'll get me thinking about the new album more.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:48:20 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Coupla Things... Message-ID: <199611060148.RAA13371@main.cfmc.com>
I haven't actually VANISHED....I'm just unbelievably busy at work, which is where I get my mail. So I haven't disappeared, but I'm barely keeping afloat. I DID want to say a couple of things, though.
First, bad press from Rush has appeared here yet again. I guess I don't want to go questioning the integrity of other list members, but it's one of those things....it's like all the talk of the album getting banned here in the US. The last time I walked into the local Tower records, they had perhaps three digits worth of the record in stock....a HUGE number of "Working Man" CD's, even featured in the listening station. So I'm really questioning the validity of all of this.
Sean Malone and Marcel, obviously, would know a hell of a lot more about the situation that I do. That notwithstanding, I'm wondering about that "bar-band" thing, especially since Neil's TOURED with guys on the tribute. More than once. I mean, the Alex Lifeson/Neil Peart/Billy Sheehan soundcheck jam is a famous part of Rush touring lore. Does this really make sense? I dunno....Neil sometimes strikes people as a harsh guy -- an asshole, if you will. And I'm sure there are reasons for that, but, until I see something that really seems like it's from the source, I'm gonna hafta consider it POSSIBLE incorrectness, rather than ACTUAL incorrectness.
For what it's worth, "Working Man" is hardly filled with "bar bands," but some of the finest musicians ever assembled for any musical project. Most of the songs on there are pretty damn strong (I even like Devin Townsend on there...). I guess we've all given our reviews by now, though, eh? Most of us, I'd say, would probably recognize that some hellacious musicians are on the record.
Other thing: Awake vs. The First Record
Very close, I'd say, but I'd lean to "Awake" as the stronger effort. Too many good ones on there, I'd say -- "Scarred," "Space Dye Vest," "Caught In A Web." Though I'd take "Only A Matter Of Time" before anything on "Awake." I guess, when you get to thinking about it, it's just these kind of issues that make you realize how talented the band is -- after three releases and an EP, you've got a wealth of great material to pick from.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Iron Maiden: Powerslave 3. The Kinsey Report: Powerhouse 4. ZZ Top: Eliminator 5. Brand X: Livestock
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:56:31 -0500 From: Rick <Richard_Harris@brown.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Peart and his big mouth Message-ID: <199611060157.UAA18312@golden.brown.edu>
I've noticed a lot of talk about Neil Peart and his insultary remarks towards those "bar bands" that performed on the "Working Man" CD. I've also read that interview somewhere on the net, and I must say, it was a typical Neil thing to say. I honestly think that Rush would be a much more popular band if he could learn not to be so arrogant! Don't get me wrong, I love the music, (I'll be seeing them in Boston, Nov 9), but this kind of self-importance is what gives progressive music the "uppity" attitude for which it is so often criticized in musical circles (especially rock reviewers, who for the most part, don't like Rush.) This most recent "Criticism," however, is nothing compared to the kind of dribble he used to spout back in the 70's when he ripped on bands like the Beatles and the Rolling Stones (like 'em or not, you have to give them credit.)
Seriously though, try not to let Mr. Peart's personality stop you from enjoying Rush's music. They are easily my second favorite band (No need to mention who's number one), whose live shows are outstanding! If they are playing in your area, I totally recommend seeing them!!!
Sayonara,
Rick
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:49:25 -0700 From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Old threads Message-ID: <m0vKy5I-000QgfC@mis01.micron.net>
__ >Okay, I think its time for some DTC! How about people who have been on this >list bring up some of the "old" threads from the past! This could be about >what Lie is about or what the is [insert DT member here] playing at x:xx of >[insert song here]. Because new jammers want some DTC let's give it to them! :-)
I would tend to agree with that. When I first subbed, all the conversation was about what Voices was about or how the last part of The Mirror demonstrates the couples frustration with the bends and harmonics. I would be very interested to hear other people's views on what DT songs mean to them.
My nintendo and genesis are still for sale. Make an offer. I have a bunch of games too. I could just give out games to those who want to dub me some boots. Whatever is good for you.
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:47:49 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Apologies offered Message-ID: <199611060256.TAA01356@cyberhighway.net>
I just received this message :)
> Chuck, > > I appreciate your expressing your opinions of Rush, I happen to > like Rush because he is truthfull. Yes he has a certain arrogance about > him but actually listen to him and he provides much more meaningful > information than anyone else in the media. > > > Randy Unfortunately, you are right.
It seems that the truth hurts more than we like it, too. I think that's why I jump in defense. He has a point, fair enough. We pull the shades down over our eyes to cover up the fact that we are afraid to see the light. Neil actually has his reasons for saying the things he said. He also referred to them as barbands in his own defense without realizing how he hurt the people he was referring to. We're all guilty of this. I am especcially. In my defensiveness I trashed on some people for their way of thinking and not realizing what I was saying. I offer my apologies and will think twice before I do that again. Let's enjoy what we will and not bash on other people for what their likes and dislikes are.
That's why we have politicians. :)
My apologies once again. If you cannot accept them, then I can offer no more. IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
Most Frequent Poseur on the Dream Theater Mailing list (10/96)
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:47:49 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WDADU Message-ID: <199611060257.TAA01405@cyberhighway.net>
> > From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx> > > Subject: Re: WDADU worth buying? > > > > The production on this album is bad... > > Opinion. > > > better get the same songs with LaBrie singing > > I know theres an album with those songs.... > > It's a bootleg called "When Dream and Today Unite."
The production on the original with Dominici is better than alot of songs on the LaBrie Version. cuz there are some songs that couldn't be recorded from the soundboard. (Seeing as how the band didn't have a soundboard then). I recommend WDADU whole=heartedly. I didn't like it to well at first, but it grows on you. Charlie handles himself quite well, IMHO. If you don't get it, you'll just wonder what your missing forever. :)
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
Most Frequent Poseur on the Dream Theater Mailing list (10/96)
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:13:49 -0500 From: nicole mercedes gerace <lunitaria@worldnet.att.net> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: portnoy and petrucci in danbury Message-ID: <3280026D.3934@worldnet.att.net>
when and where is the clinic in Danbury CT? several jammer-friends of mine are debating. is it @ eastcoast music mall on 11/25 or Tuxedo Junction on 11/26? thanks. Respond to Lunitaria@worldnet.att.net, cos sometimes i miss stuff on the 'Jam. :)
-nicole
_____________________________________ ..i'll always remember the chill of November..... - ACoS. how appropriate.
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:32:33 -0600 From: Polo Santos <ytse_jammer@mail.utexas.edu> To: Ytse Jam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Adrian Legg Message-ID: <328014E1.2245@mail.utexas.edu>
I can't believe I've read about four posts involving the use of "country-ish" when referring to Adrian Legg, and not once has the term Blue-grass popped up....
Polo
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 23:41:00 EST From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Prog Nite in NYC Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+7O,UmA@tcx.tcco.com>
Is anyone else going to the Prog Nite show at the Rock n Roll Cafe? If anyone knows who will be playing, please post it. The idiots at the club never know who's playing if you call on the phone.
Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:46:37 -0500 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Apologetic DJ Message-ID: <3280182D.30B@earthlink.net>
> > However, you, Carlo, need not be so brash in your reply. > I sort of agree... but if he saw your post the way I saw it, as saying it > shouldn't have been on the jam, then I understand his anger, as you probably > do. You guys are two definate "No Shit" jammers, so me thinks this > arguement will cease.
I did see it like that Rick (thanks for helping to clear it up Chris). I heartily apologize for coming down hard at first. Upon reading your initial post I was so angry (that someone criticized me for posting those bands to the jam) that I couldn't contain myself. I know see it in a different light in that you were wondering why i hadn't played DT (not flaming my posting the list to the jam)..answer is that I have a lot of CD's (over 400 last time I counted) and many songs near and dear to my heart. I still can't believe that I go weeks without playing HELLOWEEN...but I simply don't have enough time. Once again..sorry for the explosion...it must be that I'm getting anxious about my 13-hour road trip to Chicago for the JASON BECKER BENEFIT concert!!!!!!! 2 more weeks!!!!!! :-) I'm not worthy.....
an ELDRITCH luvin' DJ, <---Everyone MUST get ELDRITCH "Seeds of Rage"!!!!! Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
-- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 20:57:28 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Iced Earth, Angra Message-ID: <9611060457.AA08327@tengs1>
Randall wrote:
>Dream Disk carries CD's by the following bands, which have been discussed at some time on the JAM:
Angara, Blind Guardian, Leviathan, Ivanhoe, Threshold, Iced Earth
How would you classify each: progressive; metal; progressive-metal? Which would you recommend first? Which CD, if more than one title is available would you consider best/purchasing first for each band?
Definitely get the new Iced Earth, The Dark Saga. It's a little harder and tighter than the previous, Burnt Offerings (which is awesome, too). I love it; it hasn't come out of my player for the past two weeks. Influences of Metallica and Queensryche are evident. I brought it over to a friend's house last Sat. night and he liked it, saying that it was "very listenable metal". During the song "Vengance is Mine", he said, "wow! that's some tight stuff!" I'd describe it as "gothic prog-metal", I guess. I like it better than Ivanhoe's Symbols in Time and the live Threshold album I have (Livedelica)- though both of these are excellent. The first song is reminiscent enough of Enter Sandman to make me wish that Metallica had put out an album this good. Get it. Now.
Btw, I've seen a bunch of stuff from Angra at the local store. This is the Brazilian band, no? To reinforce Randall's request, can anyone give a good description of what to get and which albums?
Zach
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