YTSEJAM Digest 1996
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Providence Show
by Pete Davis <75463.2253@CompuServe.COM>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1995
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3)
by
4) Iced Earth, Leviathan (No DTC)
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
5) States of three, let it be
by robert.henderson@ICDC.COM
6) The Politics of Ecstasy
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1993
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
8) Wait a minute!
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
9) When the bowels of hell open and hock a big one on planet Earth...
by davey.boy@juno.com (Davey L Tichy)
10) Re: DT International Fan Club
by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
11) WDADU
by "Graham John Boyle" <progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au>
12) Bon Jovi moved to Norway and now plays black metal.
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
13) Re: Scandanavian and Australian bands.
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
14) Re: DTC Percentage Steadily Dropping! Do Your Part Today!
by te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
15) Re: WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
16) DT Upcoming Tours
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
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Date: 06 Nov 96 00:04:36 EST
From: Pete Davis <75463.2253@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Providence Show
Message-ID: <961106050436_75463.2253_FHQ52-1@CompuServe.COM>
What is the hold up with a final decision on the Providence date? Those of us
coming from out of state and have already bought plane tickets are now stuck
wondering what to do.
IMHO, if show dates are announced they should be honored. We make plans and
then someone decides to change the date. I feel that if the date isn't firm,
don't announce it until it is firm.
If anyone connected with the band reads this message, please give us a decision
ASAP. We also need ticket info immediately.
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:38:33 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1995
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961106053833.006d139c@enteract.com>
> Definitely get the new Iced Earth, The Dark Saga. It's
> a little harder and tighter than the previous, Burnt
> Offerings (which is awesome, too). I love it; it hasn't
> come out of my player for the past two weeks. Influences
> of Metallica and Queensryche are evident.
Just a dissenting opinion... I bought this album because I loved their first
two albums and I liked the Spawn cover of this one... and I hate the album.
Metallica is sort of evident, but while I can sort of hear some Queensryche
influence, they definately (to clear this up for any jammers considering the
album) DON'T *SOUND* like QR. Very thrash... very few guitar solos.... very
heaviness oriented. Their first two albums are like Master of Puppets era
rhythms with good solos ad cool vocals.
> Btw, I've seen a bunch of stuff from Angra at the local
> store. This is the Brazilian band, no? To reinforce
> Randall's request, can anyone give a good description of
> what to get and which albums?
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:36:58 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Iced Earth, Leviathan (No DTC)
Message-ID: <199611060544.WAA28267@cyberhighway.net>
> Angara, Blind Guardian, Leviathan, Ivanhoe, Threshold, Iced Earth
>
> How would you classify each: progressive; metal; progressive-metal?
> Which would you recommend first?
> Which CD, if more than one title is available would you consider
> best/purchasing first for each band?
I've heard alot about this Iced Earth, "Dark Saga" thing. I'll have to pick it
up. Hope I can find it.
Also, I've been looking for Leviathan since they were first mentioned
on the jam oh, about, a year-and-a-half ago (as I recall). Can
anyone tell me what they are like again? They were coming out about
the time daily Echolyn reports were popping up.
Also. While on the ending thread of the old video game thing, I just
picked up PC-versions of Dragon's Lair and Space Ace today. (Woo!
Woo!) Quite a steal at $10 apiece. I remember I used to pump $20 at
a time into those when I was a kid. Talk about games being ahead of
their time...
Now I can't remember how to play 'em anymore!
Relive the experience, play your friend a game of Super Off-Road and
see how pissed off at each other you can get!
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
Most Frequent Poseur on the
Dream Theater Mailing list (10/96)
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:46:38 -0500
From: robert.henderson@ICDC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: States of three, let it be
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.11.5.-9.46.38.2510543059.312584@bbs.icdc.com>
>> 1: Dt isnt touring right now..since they are busy with their new
>> album..expected in early 97,but they will do 5 shows in december..but they
>> will take place in the tri-state area...NY,Nj,Ct (i think)...also for the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>How many of these "tri-state" areas are there? I thought I visited the
>only one (the corner where OH, KY and WV all join), but apparrently
>they are popping up all over the place ;-)
Well, according to the local newscasters, I live in *the* tri-state
area, PA/NJ/DE...
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap
"We need to keep the competition competitive." -- Mr. Henry (teacher of
P.E.)
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 00:19:54 +0000
From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Politics of Ecstasy
Message-ID: <327FD9AA.53F6@sprynet.com>
HOLY CAT SPIT!!!
The new Nevermore CD "The Politics of Ecstasy" kicks some major snarg!!!
It's heavy, mean, rough,tight, and neato. If you liked the Sanctuary or
nevermore: GET THIS CD!!!!! The music is aggressive and impressive
while the vocal work of Warrell Dane (high pitched and scary) is
excellent.
Anyone heard anything about Altura on tour?
Someone asked about Angra: If you see any Angra CDs GET THEM!! Angra
is the most impressive band that I have heard in some time. the singer
is amazing and the music is original and excellent. It is heavy at
times, mellow, tribal, orchestrations, all sorts of stuff is there.
I guess that's all I have to contribute today. If you are looking for
Dream Theater info here ya go: they are about to record. But while you
wait - check out some of these bands that we recommend.
later
Phillip
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1993
Message-ID: <199611060525.WAA05857@acme.csusb.edu>
Jammerz:
I would like to apologize to the jam for being a dick. But as far as I'm
concerned, shredding is being able to communicate your thoughts and
feelings, through your instrument, vocal or mechanical, meaningfully, to
another person. The term does not encompass technical ability in my
opinion. Very much the opposite, actually. I can feel and experience the
anxiety in the music of a six year old at her first piano recital, just
the same as the emotional rollercoaster that is every John Petrucci solo.
So, I'm sorry. Forgive me?
cool.
Now to the huy who said this on jam 1993:
>That being said, I'm going to anyway. You're an
>ignorant, conceited, pompous asshole, who thinks the words "my personal
>definition" somehow equate to papal infallibility, and anyone that
>disagrees will rot in hell.
I am not ignorant, conceited, pompous, papal or infallible. I admitted to
being an asshole.
You, however, can eat shit and like it. Go fuck yourself because you're
every one of those adjectives that you so freely lavished on me. And add
to that list "hypocritical."
Fucking tweaker.
War is over. I refuse to respond in this way again.
--Nick
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 01:33:23 -0500
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wait a minute!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961106063323.00690c1c@ee.net>
Correct me if Im wrong, but doesn't it appear in the post below
that someone got Rush Limbaugh and Neil Peart mixed up?????
> Chuck,
> I appreciate your expressing your opinions of Rush, I happen to
> like Rush because he is truthfull. Yes he has a certain arrogance about
> him but actually listen to him and he provides much more meaningful
> information than anyone else in the media.
> Randy
>>Unfortunately, you are right.
>>It seems that the truth hurts more than we like it, too. I think
>>that's why I jump in defense. He has a point, fair enough. We pull
>>the shades down over our eyes to cover up the fact that we are afraid
>>to see the light. Neil actually has his reasons for saying the
>>things he said. He also referred
To me it seems that Randy is definitely talking about Rush Limbaugh, while
Chuck is talking about RUSH/Neil Peart!
hehehe :)
buster
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:52:03 EST
From: davey.boy@juno.com (Davey L Tichy)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: When the bowels of hell open and hock a big one on planet Earth...
Message-ID: <19961105.141359.7727.0.davey.boy@juno.com>
Hello, strange devils of the music world.
I am new here. A stranger in a strange land if you will.
I do, however, have a few things to say right off the bat.
As far as Neil Peart goes... who gives a shit? When you're eighty years
old, you can basically say anything you want since it looks bad to beat
an old man's ass. Besides, he wasn't talking about any of your mothers
or anything, so don't take it so freaking personally. Let the media
hound people. Don't turn into dogs yourselves.
Also, is anyone else out here remotely interested in the absolutely
mind-twisting musical improvisations of a little six-piece band called
KING CRIMSON???
Just curious since, well, they seem to rule the universe.
Also #2, WDADU is a phenomenon. Even with the sometimes stylistically
questionable vocal work, no true fan of music can deny its relative
brilliance. Give 'em a break, guys. It was their FIRST ALBUM. Maybe
some of you who haven't recorded anything in your lives can't sympathize,
but a quality first-album effort of WDADU's calibre is FUCKING HARD TO
DO!!!
Can I get a witness?
:)
"Life's a bowl of punch... get up and spike it!!!"
-311
Luck and laughter,
--davey :)
(bass, vox, guitar, keys, exploration, experimentation, and sonic
nirvana)
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Date: 06 Nov 96 01:48:48 EST
From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT International Fan Club
Message-ID: <961106064848_101352.3261_JHP7-1@CompuServe.COM>
For those of you who haven't yet joined the DT Fan Club, and were thinking about
it, the Xmas issue is fast approaching. So if you're gonna sign up, do it now,
to make sure that you don't miss out on anything!!!!!
If you need the details on what to do, e-mail me at 101352.3261@compuserve.com
and I'll send you the info.
Cheers,
Neil Elliott
Director - DTIFC
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 20:10:00 +0000
From: "Graham John Boyle" <progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WDADU
Message-ID: <199611060911.UAA21021@mail.mel.aone.net.au>
G'day Jammers,
What's the big deal with WDADU ? It's a
great album, every DT should have no matter how much of a fan they
are, it's a must. I have had my copy since 1989 and because it was my
first DT album, I like it the most, sure the production sucks, but it
has some of DT's finest songs. Most of all Charlies voice suits the
songs, some of James interpritations of WDADU material is a little
off key, his voice and delivery don't suit some of the songs. Remember
those songs and vocal melodies were written for Charlis and not
James. I have got the boot 'When Dream And today Unite' and I miss
Charlie on some of the songs.
Maybe if you want to hear WDADU in a slightly better light, you
should get hold of a Japanese copy of the album. I luckily picked up
a mint 2nd hand copy for $10, the difference in sound quality is
remarkable. I dunno if it's the mastering or better quality disc
pressing, but there is a noticable difference in the Japanese copy to my
origonal Mechanic CD.
You lucky people seeing DT in December, have fun guys.
Cheers Graham
Sydney
Australia
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Date: 6 Nov 96 11:24:43 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bon Jovi moved to Norway and now plays black metal.
Message-ID: <9611061124.aa43@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Hello ye 'jamanoids of the outer cyberspace...
As irritating as the "prog in videogames"-thread is, has anyone listened
closely the tunes in Sony Playstation's version of "Extreme Games"? I
think there's some White Zombie-ish stuff going on at times...
Neil asked why the most of the good bands within dark and black metal
genres are Scandinavian...I wish I knew. Maybe it's in the water. :)
It actually is in the water, and in the forests, and in the cold
winter winds. It's in the lone wolf's howl and in the falling yellow
and red leaves. It's in the frozen lakes and in pagan beliefs from
thousands of years ago. It's in the Scandinavian human nature, who's
always alone, even in the middle the biggest of crowds. Scandinavian
music is traditionally very solemn and melancholic, so perhaps the
northern bands have more of it what it takes to make dark and moody music.
Scandinavians are the most suicidal people in the world. Of course,
very melancholic Slavic music culture has also affected ours for hundreds
of years.
Maybe it's because it's so damn dark in here for the most part of the
year and if you are a least bit musical and can recreate some of that
"inner darkness" of yours into music, someone's eventually bound to like
it. Thousands of years of short summers, autumns blazing in all colours
and long cold winters have evolved a specific type of human being, Homo
Metallicus Scandinavicus. :)
One reason can of course be that once all those million and one Norwegian
black metal bands get tired to all that million hits per second, chainsaw
brutal black metal bashing, they usually either quit altogether or evolve
into composing some more personal stuff and it usually is dark and moody.
I'm not here to say that black metal can't be personal and emotional, but I
haven't heard any such black metal this far. The dark and cold winters have
a way of making people grim and melancholic. Take a dose of long arctic
nights, some of the northern sulkiness, mix the ingredients well and voil?,
you have some dark metal. Ulver, Tiamat, The 3rd and the Mortal, Arcturus.
Need I say more?
I still recommend "Kveldssanger" by a band called Ulver to everyone
who's into emotional music. And while I'm at it, buy Arcturus' "Aspera
Hiems Symforia" and Thy Serpent's "Forest of Witchery" as well. For those
who would like to hear some lighter, but more complex stuff, try Amorphis.
They're not prog, though.
The reason may as well be purely statistical. There's a LOT of metal bands
in Scandinavia, so some of them must be good for something. :) If anyone's
into it, I can introduce you to a fifty Scandinavian bands, from whom you
cannot listen a full minute without wincing or getting irritated. There's
a lot of those white-faced, black-clad penguin orchestras in Norway, who
know absolutely nothing about production values, dynamics or anything else
for that matter... :)
Well, it's a well-known fact that the musical development in Finland
runs about a ten years behind of that of the rest of the world. This
must be the reason why so many good bands in the darker side of metal
are from Finland nowadays. No one can name even one of them? I thought so.
Try Amorphis, Sentenced and the latest one, Thy Serpent. Most of the new
bands follow the latest fads, be it grunge or industrial metal of
whatever the fuck it is at the moment, I wouldn't know, but the Finnish
bands stick to their ideals, which to an outsider, seem somewhat dated,
but to someone who's not into everything that's "hip" at the moment, it
can actually be a good thing. You've seen it here on the 'jam. People are
calling e.g. Stratovarius "80's metal" and in the same sentence they tell
us that they like the band. Conclusion? You make it. "It came from
the Eighties" show seemed to raise some waves as well...it seems the
public might want to hear something musical for a change. Or maybe it's
just us 'jammers...
I think I'll pass this to other Scandinavian jammers, since it seems
that I can't put any sense into this. Henrik? Viking? What do you say?
_Mape_
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 04:51:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Scandanavian and Australian bands.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.961106043706.15444B-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Ollila Marko wrote:
> One reason can of course be that once all those million and one Norwegian
> black metal bands get tired to all that million hits per second, chainsaw
> brutal black metal bashing, they usually either quit altogether or evolve
> into composing some more personal stuff and it usually is dark and moody.
> I'm not here to say that black metal can't be personal and emotional, but I
> haven't heard any such black metal this far. The dark and cold winters have
> a way of making people grim and melancholic. Take a dose of long arctic
> nights, some of the northern sulkiness, mix the ingredients well and voil?,
> you have some dark metal. Ulver, Tiamat, The 3rd and the Mortal, Arcturus.
> Need I say more?
emperor. you need to say emperor.
Sure, you can't distinguish a single guitar line or any of the vocals,
but man...this is some intense stuff. Too bad they're all in jail.
I haven't recommended vauxdvihl in a while so i'm going to take
a moment to recommend vauxdvihl. after DT and Fates, I can think
of no progmetal band that succeeds as well as vauxdvihl (actually,
at the moment I like them more than DT, but that may just be because I
haven't heard any new DT in so long.) If I had to describe them I'd have
to say they're more like Fates than anyone else, with some major
industrial influence mixed in. Not many solo breaks, just a lot of
rock solid and extremely intense songs. the drummer beats the living
shit out of his kit. the vocal melodies are outstanding. the guitars and
synths crush your brain.
http://cs.art.rmit.edu.au/staff/Helen_Dolencic/vauxdvihl.html
go there now. to dimension logic is an amazing album. the new demo
is even better, in my opinion. three songs that grab you and don't
let go.
-max
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:57:09 +0100
From: te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DTC Percentage Steadily Dropping! Do Your Part Today!
Message-ID: <199611060954.KAA08572@adeptus.student.hgs.se>
The D-Man wrote:
>
>Thank you. Very informative and objective. The Jam is a better place now.
>
>----
[snippsnippsnipp]
>
>Thank you. Very informative and objective. The Jam is a better place now.
>
Thanks You! etc... :)
Seriously, the big problem with the jam at this point is that we lack
both new threads which haven't been fought over endlessly and perhaps with
the many new faces coming in to the Jam, some Netiquette.... Like reading
the faq before asking a question etc...
I do agree with all the posts from "veteranjammers" (as I consider myself
to be :) that point out the threads that have been used etc, and I
understand the "newcomers" who don't quite understand what kind of
discipline it takes to uphold a high standard on a mailing-list, but the
thing I don't understand is why we need to be so harsh on eachother here,
come on, everytime someone post a comment on some other guys statement he
gets jumped and to put it mildly, I've had it! I'm not gonna point at
someone for doing this, but READ the guys opinion before you jump at him,
after all you stated your _OPINION_ <sp?>, then he commented on it and
included his _OPINION_!
Before this fall, I've automatically considered all 'jammers out the as
friends and just cool guys to hang with, but with all this shit going on at
the jam, it has amde me reconsider....
Anyway, this is _my_ point of view, even though not that well put, but
let's get together and make this jam better, afterall "it's your jam"!!
Cheers,
'
Mika Numminen, aka Viking
MAIL: te95mne@student.hgs.se
URL: http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne
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"Whoever fights monsters should see to
it that in the process he does not become
a monster. And when you look long into an
abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
Nietzsche "Beyond good and evil"
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 09:19:32 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961106081932.006d76a0@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!
>From: matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
>what the fuck?!?!?! an r&b/rap cover of "bohemien rhapsody"?!?!?!
>damn, and i thought the fugee's butchering of "killing me softly"
>was bad!! this is horrible!!!!!! AAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!
All I can say to this topic is, that I agree with you 100%.
AAAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Things like this should be forbidden by law, IMHO.
For the NP "Bar bands" Thing...
I can't understand why a musician says something like this.
Isn't it a BIG honour if musicians, who are as good
as those, do a tribute for the band he plays in? It only
shows that the band is really famous, doesn't it? Well,
ok. Maybe I just shouldn't care. People are weird sometimes,
aren't they?
>From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
> Btw, I've seen a bunch of stuff from Angra at the local
> store. This is the Brazilian band, no? To reinforce
> Randall's request, can anyone give a good description of
> what to get and which albums?
Well, I can only say that they have 2 kinds of songs:
a) The Helloween kind of speedy stuff with double bass and
so on.
b) The groovy, prog-, brasilian touched stuff (I like this
much more).
On their CD Holy Land are some REALLY impressive
songs. But all these recordings just can't reach them live!
If you ever have the possibility to see them in concert,
GO THERE! They are great musicians and do a killer live
show for example with all people playing percussions except
bass and drums. This rocks!!! I'm really happy that I met
those guys on our tour because they are really cool and
down to earth. Not like many others who lift their head
over the clouds when they have a little success. Angra
deserves to be one of the big bands IMHO.
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 06:21:44 EST
From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Upcoming Tours
Message-ID: <19961106.061838.4711.0.EdWilk@juno.com>
> I dont know ..but for me it has always been NY NJ CT ... hehe
Do you have dates for the shows? (Don't be funny, either. <G>)
I'd like to know when the Ct. tours are, if there are any. I heard it was
NY, NJ, RI. Either way... :) I just wanna get there- I'm in Lowell, MA,
which is in the northeastern paht of MA. Ttthhpptt. :P
Ed
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