YTSEJAM Digest 2000
Today's Topics:
1) emperor no longer in jail
by matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
2) ADDRESS CHANGE!! PRETTY DAMNED URGENT!!!
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
3) TTT Demo
by Polo Santos <ytse_jammer@mail.utexas.edu>
4) album titles
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
5) Neil Peart and Rush
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
6) RUSH TICKETS AVAILABLE
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) James Joyce vs. Dream Theater
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
8) Happy 2K
by Tim Caudill <symmetry@usaor.net>
9) pleasure crush
by "Ryan Eschauzier'97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
10) Just wanted to do this.
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
11) utterly useless post
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
12) Pleasure Crush
by Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
13) HOEY SMOKES.
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
14) YTSEJAM digest 2000 (NDTC)
by JoDo <big@butt.com>
15) Urinous Spots... Quid Pro Quo...
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
16) Bad trader? Nahh, just indifferent....
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:21:01 -0600 (CST)
From: matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: emperor no longer in jail
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961106213751.1a47ce5e@tam2000.tamu.edu>
>emperor. you need to say emperor.
>Sure, you can't distinguish a single guitar line or any of the vocals,
>but man...this is some intense stuff. Too bad they're all in jail.
they're not in jail anymore, man. the drummer is still in jail, but they
have replaced him. they supposedly have a new album coming out at the end of
the year. i can't wait! and i just found a copy of their cassette demo,
"wrath of the tyrant"!
-matt.
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m a t t r o s i n / imagescape@tamu.edu
S U R R E A L I T Y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/
dark ethereal music / SURREALITY II AVAILABLE NOW
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:35:39 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ADDRESS CHANGE!! PRETTY DAMNED URGENT!!!
Message-ID: <199611070435.VAA08609@goodguy.goodnet.com>
This is very urgent, especially for those who have current
reservations or orders with me about to happen. I move on SUNDAY to my new
apartment at:
Mike Bahr
275 W. Juniper Ave. #1013
Gilbert, AZ 85234
And until 10/17 I will still receive old mail at:
Mike Bahr
3175 N. Price Rd. #1066
Chandler, AZ 85224
As always, if you're "just not sure" when you're doing the
mailing, mail will always reach me very slowly if sent to my parents' home
at:
Mike Bahr
3383 W. Monterey St.
Chandler, AZ 85226
PLEASE send all mail to the new address (Gilbert) as of right now.
There will NOT BE any mail forwarded to the new one since I'm trying to
ditch any residual trace of the investigation that (we think) went away
back in October. If you send it to the Chandler address after Monday or
so, you can count on it going to the post office's dead letter dept.
I have a new phone number for those who know it, please give me a
call and I'll let you know. I stopped giving it out to everyone only
because it kept waking up my fiancee at all hours and she demanded I quit
taking so many calls... most of you have been very polite about this and I
enjoy talking to the better percentage of you all.
Since some people are new to the Jam (welcome! even if things are
pretty dead just now) I wanted to extend an invitation to all of you to
check out my custom, very professional, Dream Theater boot CD creations.
They're all painstakingly carefully prepared from the best available
source material, remastered for extra good sound, and made available at
reasonable prices. E-mail me for the full catalogue at any time, or check
my website for the full info.
http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/archives/ginfo/mikebahr.html
Take care all!
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 9-0!!!
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 22:38:45 -0600
From: Polo Santos <ytse_jammer@mail.utexas.edu>
To: Ytse Jam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: TTT Demo
Message-ID: <328167D5.70DE@mail.utexas.edu>
Wilmo, you were talking about the TTT demo, and I have to agree to all
of your observations. I think another one I can add is that MP's signal
isn't being compressed, as is very obvious on Awake and only slightly so
on I&W, and it isn't as up-front. The snare sounds crisper. This gives
the band a sound that kinda hit me as being more "Rock" than prog. I
dunno, I guess I think it sounds more like, ah, a demo? I do know that
JLB's backup vocals give me goose-bumps. Just a little off are they. I
like the reverb on the keys...
Also, does anyone know if I can find a demo for Innocence Faded? I
can't shake the feeling that all the reverb on the Awake vocals is
trying to cover up some inadequacies. I like the song, but I wanna hear
a different take, particularly without the refrain line doubled. It'll
probably sound better live, anyways. Hey, I'm glad we can talk music
now.
Polo
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:41:55 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: album titles
Message-ID: <v01540b01aea717a820d0@[128.197.9.179]>
>
>as a new album title, they could call it mustard or
>cheesecake for all i care, what counts is the music
>which is the important part of why i buy it.
> I don't get it. This, to me, is like asking what the set list for a
> gig was. Why do people care so damn much about the title of an album?
> Is it gonna change the CD contents? Will you not go to the show? If
> you're sooooo worried about it, just use electrical tape on the jewel
> case.
I don't see how it's asking like what a set list is (they're not
related), but if you want to know why I find an album's title important
(though not quite as much as it's been implied) is that it is the word or
phrase with which the album is identified. Rather than go into this in
detail and cause everybody who hasn't skipped over this already (seeing
that it was posted by me), I'll just say that, while it might not have much
to do with the actual content of the album, it does have something to do
with the album as one totality, as well as how I think of it. The album's
cover does also. It doesn't mean I won't buy it. I might like the music
as much if it really has a bad title. But if titles are so unimportant,
why have them at all? Why not just call the album _Dream Theater's Fourth
Album_ or number them like Chicago did?
Jeff Falk
Box 3208
700 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02215
(617) 352-8639
jefffalk@bu.edu
"The issue of freedom vs. statism--or individual rights vs. government
controls, or capitalism vs. socialism--_is_ the basic issue of political
philosophy. It is _the_ root, _the_ start, _the_ fundamental which is
involved in every specific measure, by which all else is determined, by the
side of which all other considerations are trivia. It is the basic--and,
today, the only--issue by which all other considerations are trivia. It is
the basic--and, today, the only--issue by which a candidate must be judged:
freedom vs. statism."
Ayn Rand, _The Objectivist Newsletter_
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:55:20 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neil Peart and Rush
Message-ID: <v01540b02aea71a5bc323@[128.197.9.179]>
>As far as Neil Peart goes... who gives a shit? When you're eighty years
>old, you can basically say anything you want since it looks bad to beat
>an old man's ass.
Can you say basically anything you want when you're forty-three
years old (Neil's age)? What does being eighty have to do with Neil? He's
barely half-way there.
>To see Rush, or to see TypeO, and meet them as well.
>
>What would you rather do?
As someone who has had the unfortunate experience of seeing Type O
Negative (opening for Queensryche), I can confidently say that I'd rather
stare at paint drying on a wall than see that band. Choosing between them
and Rush is inconceivable to me.
Jeff Falk
Box 3208
700 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02215
(617) 352-8639
jefffalk@bu.edu
"The issue of freedom vs. statism--or individual rights vs. government
controls, or capitalism vs. socialism--_is_ the basic issue of political
philosophy. It is _the_ root, _the_ start, _the_ fundamental which is
involved in every specific measure, by which all else is determined, by the
side of which all other considerations are trivia. It is the basic--and,
today, the only--issue by which all other considerations are trivia. It is
the basic--and, today, the only--issue by which a candidate must be judged:
freedom vs. statism."
Ayn Rand, _The Objectivist Newsletter_
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:55:46 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RUSH TICKETS AVAILABLE
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9611062354.M12634-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
I have two tickets for Saturday's Rush show in Boston. They are in
section 7, with Skadz (eek!). If you can take them, e-mail one of us
(d-man@dreamt.org or skadz@dreamt.org). They will go to waste if someone
can't take them.
Also, one other ticket may still be available from Jeremy Hallum (whose
e-mail address I don't remember). Mail Jeremy (if you can find his
address) or Skadz (if you can't) about that one.
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:06:24 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James Joyce vs. Dream Theater
Message-ID: <v01540b03aea71c904802@[128.197.9.179]>
I wouldn't post this to the list if what I'm responding to wasn't an attack
on me in front of the entire list.
>james joyce a bad author ?? im sorry, but that doesnt even deserve a retort
>.. im just really surprised that the person who said that likes DT ...
Well, unlike this guy, I'll explain what I think instead of leave
it as an unexplained assertion.
From the one story I've read and the comments on his work by both
admirers and detractors, I understand that James Joyce:
has a tendency to be literally incomprehensible;
writes unreasonably depressing, unexciting stories;
has a prose style that is rather cumbersome and tedious to read; and
has a generally low "sense of life" (a term used by a good author,
Ayn Rand).
If you find it such a mystery that someone who does not admire
James Joyce could like Dream Theater, it might be that that person likes
art that is understandable (at least most of the time), enjoyable,
powerful, interesting, and life-affirming (at its most upbeat moments).
Since this mailing list is not intended for discussions of aesthetics, that
should be done by private e-mail.
Jeff Falk
Box 3208
700 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02215
(617) 352-8639
jefffalk@bu.edu
"The issue of freedom vs. statism--or individual rights vs. government
controls, or capitalism vs. socialism--_is_ the basic issue of political
philosophy. It is _the_ root, _the_ start, _the_ fundamental which is
involved in every specific measure, by which all else is determined, by the
side of which all other considerations are trivia. It is the basic--and,
today, the only--issue by which all other considerations are trivia. It is
the basic--and, today, the only--issue by which a candidate must be judged:
freedom vs. statism."
Ayn Rand, _The Objectivist Newsletter_
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:28:57 -0500
From: Tim Caudill <symmetry@usaor.net>
To: "'DT Nuts'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Happy 2K
Message-ID: <01BBCC42.ABBFC440@dyn200.usaor.net>
Hey all,
Just wanted to say happy 2000 to the Jam!!! WTG y'all who've been here 1500 more than me.
Here's to 2,000,000 more,
Big G (Tim)
s y m m e t r y@usaor.net
"So would you tell me now, are life and death a symmetry?" --- Savatage
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:37:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan Eschauzier'97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: pleasure crush
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961107003618.199C-100000@oak.cc.conncoll.edu>
this was the worst band I have ever seen.
Does anyone know if any of the december shows are sold out yet?
1 0 0 1 0 0 1 s o s r u s h 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 s o s
Anger got bare knuckles
Anger play the fool
Anger wear a crown of thorns
Reverse the golden rule
K I D G L O V E S
rdesc@conndcoll.edu ryan eschauzier 97 860 439 4799
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:53:32 -0500
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Vomiting In Digital <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Just wanted to do this.
Message-ID: <v01540b02aea729825b57@bootp-246-17.bootp.virginia.edu>
Happy Jam 2000. I'd say we're about a week or 2 away from Jam 2112, btw.
Scotch.
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:49:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: utterly useless post
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961107004837.17996A-100000@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
but i guess that makes it only one among a multitude of crap these
days....how ya'll doing??
someone told me digest 199-- are coming out, trying to keep my streak of
milestone digest posts alive...hope this makes #2000
sorry to bother you folks
partha mukhopadhyay
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:53:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pleasure Crush
Message-ID: <199611070553.AAA20782@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
>
> Pleasure Crush opened for DT last December at the El 'N Gee. They were
> unanimously referred to as "One of the worst, no I'm sorry, THE Worst
> Fucking Band I've ever heard." by Brian Cox, Andrew Keegan, and several
> folks who happened to catch their act. Pleasure Crush is also the reason a
> lot of people couldn't feel their own bodies as they entered the club
> after something like seventeen hours of waiting in something like two
> degrees farenheit.
>
>
> Bafu Vai
is this some kind of joke or something? the reason I couldn't feel
my body was because all the dt fans decided that they wanted to play "nuts
to butts" as soon as dt came on. i had plenty of space when Pleasure Crush
were on, then dt came out and everyone squished so tightly towards the stage
that i could lift my feet off the floor and not fall because i was wedged in
between all the fans.
Pleasure Crush were good, damn it. not only that, but they sounded
twice as good as dt. don't get me wrong, i love dt, but why the hell were
they so loud in such a small club? when labrie started screaming i almost
shit my pants, hell, it was painful. i've been to many a concert, and for
none of them were my ears ringing as long as they were after this one. the
volume ruined the concert for me... it sucked.
Pleasure Crush were good, they played their stuff, they did their
thing, and they left. they didn't do anything stupid, and they didn't
damage my hearing... they left that for dt.
i'll never get over the fact that people on this list are so eager
to rip on bands that AREN'T dt, or some other such prog band. get over it,
folks, just because it's hard to play, doesn't make it good.
-matt
in the disc player: Tool - Aenima, Donovan - Greatest Hits, Dixie Dregs -
Bring 'Em Back Alive, George Winston - Autumn, King Crimson - The Compact
King Crimson.
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:00:32 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: HOEY SMOKES.
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961107060032.006ef3ac@mail.inlink.com>
got the new gary hoey.. intensely rocking cd... santana and dylan covers,
great original material, hidden track... the good old hoey you all know...
and he even does some singin!!! the cover also kicks some ass =)
that piano part in Dead Alive where the madisons arrive really shreds...
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 00:25:11 -0600
From: JoDo <big@butt.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2000 (NDTC)
Message-ID: <328180c71188002@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
The end is NEAR!!! 8'0 05/05/00
JoDo
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:27:44 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Urinous Spots... Quid Pro Quo...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961107062744.006eab44@enteract.com>
>I've heard alot about this Iced Earth, "Dark Saga" thing. I'll have to
pick it
>up. Hope I can find it.
E mail me and I'll sell you mine for $8
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>I would like to apologize to the jam for being a dick. But as far as I'm
>concerned, shredding is being able to communicate your thoughts and
>feelings, through your instrument, vocal or mechanical, meaningfully, to
>another person. The term does not encompass technical ability in my
>opinion. Very much the opposite, actually. I can feel and experience the
>anxiety in the music of a six year old at her first piano recital, just
>the same as the emotional rollercoaster that is every John Petrucci solo.
You're not a dick... you were a little hot headed (as I myself often get)
and your opinion of what defines "Shred" differs from the standard working
musician's definition of shred (look in guitar magazines... shed is usually
considered a musical style... not a quality of performance)
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>Subject: When the bowels of hell open and hock a big one on planet Earth...
There it is! The New DT album title! Brought to us by one of the newest
members!
>As far as Neil Peart goes... who gives a shit? When you're eighty years
>old, you can basically say anything you want since it looks bad to beat
>an old man's ass. Besides, he wasn't talking about any of your mothers
>or anything, so don't take it so freaking personally. Let the media
>hound people. Don't turn into dogs yourselves.
Amen!!!
>Also #2, WDADU is a phenomenon.
>Can I get a witness?
No, but I'll give you another Amen!!!
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>From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
>Neil asked why the most of the good bands within dark and black metal
>genres are Scandinavian...I wish I knew. Maybe it's in the water. :)
>It actually is in the water, and in the forests, and in the cold
>winter winds. It's in the lone wolf's howl and in the falling yellow
>and red leaves. It's in the frozen lakes and in pagan beliefs from
>thousands of years ago. It's in the Scandinavian human nature, who's
>always alone, even in the middle the biggest of crowds. Scandinavian
>music is traditionally very solemn and melancholic, so perhaps the
>northern bands have more of it what it takes to make dark and moody music.
>Scandinavians are the most suicidal people in the world. Of course,
>very melancholic Slavic music culture has also affected ours for hundreds
>of years.
My god(lessness?) that was poetic. It MUST be in the water!
>I still recommend "Kveldssanger" by a band called Ulver to everyone
>who's into emotional music.
I'm not into black metal but this album, something I heard by Satyricon, and
Ved Buens End (sp?) all made a serious impact on me. I am a very Christian
person (not into organized
religion, and I hate preachers) so some black metel just strikes me as
morally offensive (and being into a HUGE amount of death metal, it takes a
lot to offend me morally)
>a lot of those white-faced, black-clad penguin orchestras in Norway, who
>know absolutely nothing about production values, dynamics or anything else
>for that matter... :)
I'm told this is done on purpose, to keep from becoming popular with the
general public. Some of these bands consider selling out a show to be
"Selling Out"
To quote the now deceaced member of the band Mayhem (named quite
appropriately 'Dead')
"If people (referring to concert goers) don't like blood and rotting flesh
thrown at them, they can just fuck off!"
Yeah... what HE said..... Yeah....
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>emperor. you need to say emperor.
>Sure, you can't distinguish a single guitar line or any of the vocals,
>but man...this is some intense stuff. Too bad they're all in jail.
Yeah if you're into the whole Racist anti Christian murderer/arsonist thing.
Hell, if you dig that, check out Burzum (good ol' Count Grischnakh) Mayhem
and Immortal. A lot of brains in these bands... a pity none of them seem to
use them.
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>..and on the seventh day I praised what I liked and put down what I
>didn't and cursed everyone that disagreed, for I speak the truest
>gospel of all, which should never be questioned.
Amen!!!!
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>Hey - keep Dole off this list, please. ;^)
Hey... let's keep POLITICS in general off this list like the fooking rules
say. I don't care who you or your mommy vote for. (this is not directed at
anyone in particular... so it's not meant to be a flame)
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> Does anyone have any idea of who all is playing at the ALS benefit
>for Jason Becker.
Just about the entire 80's Shrapnel Catalog. Vinnie Moore will be there...
MacAlpine.... Just go! You'll love it!
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>"I'll beat you with your spinal cord
>Split your skull in two
>I'll feast on your intestines
>There's nothing I can't do
>I'll rip your heart out of your chest
>Watch it beat as you cry
>I revel in your agony
>I violate and make you die"
>I can see this band being a hot topic among record-burning,
>bible-thumping fundamentalists at many a teenage revival.
Actually, I doubt it. This entire album is about the Spawn comic book
series (the Violator is a demon sent to punish Spawn)... there are many more
"Truly" satanic bands the fundaMENTAList freaks will seek and attempt to
destroy first. See the earlier portions of this post.
You can stop scrolling now. I've finished speaking.
"I'm afraid of politicians who have no hobbies." - A.R.U.
Christopher Ptacek EnterAct, L.L.C. We don't suck.
We now have proof.
http://www.enteract.com (312) 248-8511
"#1 ISP in the Midwest, #3 in the USA."
- C|Net (http://www.cnet.com)
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:33:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bad trader? Nahh, just indifferent....
Message-ID: <199611070633.AA19854@crl11.crl.com>
I'd not say that Brian Cox is a "bad" trader -- anyone who organizes a
DT tape tree is kewl in my book -- but I would have to say that he
seems indifferent. Both Bafu and I are still waiting for a copy of
Brian's recording of Rudess/Morgenstein opening for DT (Steve B.,
that's what you've been waiting for, right?), since about last
January. Not quite two years like Al B., but it's been long enough
that I've written off the blank tapes.
Yea, blank tapes. There's no serious loss of anything here, hence I'm
not really angry, just a bit puzzled. I realize it's a bit harder to
get excited over making dubs for someone for blank tapes, but, well,
why offer in the first place?
Oh, I'm not flaming Al B. too much here, either. After meeting him
before the Birch Hell show, I'd have to say he seemed like a cool,
hoopy frood. He wasn't Half Naked either, but we'll excuse that in
view of the eight foot-high snowbanks in that parking lot. heh
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."------------------------------
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