YTSEJAM Digest 2002
Today's Topics:
1) Rush news, VH news
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
2) FAQs, Titles, KevMo, Casals (is *that* descriptive enough? :)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
3) altura
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
4) Re: Vai question
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
5) Neil Peart's age/How did my brother's name get on here?
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
6) happy 2k's, yes new album, and assorted
by WildKoba@aol.com
7) Awake isn't complex... c'mon
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
8) Neil Peart
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
9) win.dat, RUSH, dr mosh, mike bahr
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
10) Chicago
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
11) Rush vs. Type O? DT?
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
12) James Joyce
by szucseue@saber.udayton.edu
13) Show-Toppers
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
14) CD's for sale
by Krysten Debroka <kryt@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2000
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush news, VH news
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610132354.G4410-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey, gang. Just thought I'd share this while I was thinking of it, or
else I'd forget about it. :)
Thursday night, 10:00 pm - The VH Interview!! Apparently, contrary to
previous rumors, the interview will *only* be Ed, Al, and Mike, but it
also seems that they will be announcing their newest member. Ought to
be carried live nationwide.
Sunday night, 10:00 pm - Rush "Up Close", Part I. I have no idea if
this will be nationwide or not, but the local (Burlington, VT) rock
station will be carrying it then. Seems like a good way to spend the
day after 7th row seats at the opening show of the tour. :)
My thoughts on Con III (it kicked ass, btw) will come after I wade
through all my mail (Only 6 Jams left! Sucks not reading mail for 4
days). Oh, and Nate B: SPLAT! "It's a rental." :)
-d
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:04:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FAQs, Titles, KevMo, Casals (is *that* descriptive enough? :)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610132305.H4410-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce)
> Subject: now I recommend LV / ?'s / dt con goers /
>
> and I was wondering.... if I keep asking the same dumb question over and
> over again will it eventually be in the FAQ.
Not until someone e-mails me and says, "Hey, dumbass! What are you,
brain dead? There's a question that's been asked frequently that
belongs in the list with all the other ones!" and I say "But I have a
program due Tuesday" and you say, "Tough luck, dorq! You volunteered
for this job!" and I say "Oh, yeah. I guess that's a good excuse not to
do homework" and put it in.
----> From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM> > Subject: Re: New Songs > > Just a piece of additional info on the two newest songs the band has just > completed, is so much as who contributed the lyrics the them: > > Peruvian Skies (John Myung)
Cool. :)
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> From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com> > Subject: Fates Warning News (DTC!!!) > > Since no one has broken this.... I was reading in the > Metal Blade folder on AOL, and there was a message from Maria > (of Metal Blade) and according to her, Kevin Moore will be playing > all keyboards on the new Fates CD, which is supposedly going to
[snip]
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is this official already? Is this going to be that reported 50-some-odd minute song? Oh, man, I'm stoked for this.
If KevMo joins FW, you think FW and DT would tour together again? And maybe have a big-ass jam at the end? Oh, great, now I've started imagining Mike and Mark assaulting us in a dual-drummer ass-whoopin'-fest. Wow, imagine if.... sorry, I need a moment.
> GO YANKEES (shudder) SMASH THE LOUSY ORIOLES!!!
What was that comment about the Yanks needing a kid in the outfield to beat the Orioles? Now, I'm no Yankees fan, but it sure was nice to see Alomar and Bonilla dispatched to the golf course at the same time.
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> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Sadistic Humor, Mike Bahr, G3 > > It's official. This quote's going on my door soon. :) But since I've never > seen the name Pablo Casals before, can you please provide some insight? > I'm guessing he's somewhat into music...
If memory serves me correctly (and I wouldn't lay any money down on this one), Pablo Casals is/was one of the greats at classical cello.
> > * Couldn't get a Subcon, but my friend wants me to sell his Acoustic > > Dreams at auction. It's #002. His asking opening bid is $100. > > Is the disc made of brass?
No, but the things hanging *under* his disc are. :)
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: altura Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961107115903.12490A-100000@bdmserver>
Phillip worte: >Anyone heard anything about Altura on tour?
There were tour dates posted in various newsgroups... Apparently they were at the Ritz in Baltimore this past weekend. I am pissed since I did not know about it... Anyone go?
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:09:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vai question Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961107110759.35300C-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
I can hear the very beggining of the 2- solo of Lie in one of the new Vai songs.... can anyone can hear it to or am I alucinating?
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:03:31 -0500 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Neil Peart's age/How did my brother's name get on here? Message-ID: <v01540b00aea7d2df6f98@[128.197.9.179]>
> >>>As far as Neil Peart goes... who gives a shit? When you're eighty years >>>old, you can basically say anything you want since it looks bad to beat >>>an old man's ass. >> Can you say basically anything you want when you're forty-three >>years old (Neil's age)? What does being eighty have to do with Neil? He's >>barely half-way there. > >Dude, from reading your posts I think you need more fiber in your diet. You >missed the point entirely. No, I'm just disputing the point that Neil Peart is an old man. If he is, then I don't think any members of Dream Theater are "young."
>Brian Falk responded to my question of "who cares about titles?": What the hell is this? Brian Falk is my brother. (Incidentally, how did you know that?)
> >I don't see how it's asking like what a set list is (they're not > >related) > > What I meant by the comparison was that the deep need to know the > set-list won't keep you from the show a la the title won't keep you > from buying the disc so why sweat it. Alright, I think I get it.
I'd put my signature file here, but I think you've all seen it and are tired of it for now.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:05:20 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: happy 2k's, yes new album, and assorted Message-ID: <961107130520_1316257030@emout18.mail.aol.com>
ok, boys, girls, bafus and assorted cretins.
a new yes album was released last week, i believe. it is called "keys to ascension". being that some people have wondered where to start listening to yes, and being that i was asked specifically about the album, here is my critique of the album.
it's UNFUCKING BELIEVEABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT! it's up there on the list of cd's that have been anally raping me lately:
the lineup: anderson, wakeman, howe, squire, white 2 cds- the songs
disc one: siberian khatru, revealing science of god (which is incredible!!!!!), america, onward, and awaken.
disc two- roundabout, starship trooper, be the one, and lastly that, that is.
all of disc one and half of 2 are live materials performed in march. the last two are new studio tracks. they're fucking epic tunes (9+ and 19+ minutes, respectively). and damnit, they're pretty fucking good.
i would not hesitate putting this album up in top 5 list of album of the year (along with type-o [yo- word up to the person who also feels the same], marilyn manson, the new zappa, and garbage).
so about the dt tours........as much as i think it would be cool to go check the shows out, and even get down on me knees and suck some dt-cock to hang backstage (you know, how bafu supposedly managed to do it, according to a now-departed jammer), i just don't know if i WANT to go see them. i think i'll stay home instead....
anyways, let's see, what else? happy 2000th jam of course. odd to believe i've been here since about the 800s. continued success as always. in the year 2000, i'll either be in my first year of practicing law, taking the bar for the 235982375th time, or being a starving musician in the east village wishing i had my crack.
very well. i'm off to study my marxism. go listen to your coltrane, go get the new yes album (and you too shall sing "shaava, shava, shava"), and yadda yadda yadda.
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:24:09 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Awake isn't complex... c'mon Message-ID: <199611071823.UAA17623@pepe.online.ee>
>I could accept you saying that WDADU is ten times more complex than >AWAKE, but not better
Sure it's not better, yet I'd say I'm not buying the complexity talk either. Like, Awake does need more digging in to truly understand it than Images And Words, or When Dream And Day Unite, for that matter, but it doesn't mean that it's simpleton. Not that it matters, though, because actually it's not the size that matters. *cliche warning*
raitz
maybe all I need beside my pills and surgery is a new metaphor for reality
queensryche, "dis con nec ted"
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 12:30:05 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Neil Peart Message-ID: <32822aad0628866@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
About NP:
> I consider him to be without a doubt one of the most phenominal > drummers and one of the best lyricists on the face of the Earth
I'll give you the lyricist part, but IMHO Mike Portnoy, along with many others, leaves him far behind as a drummer. He's technically good, but he doesn't do much that's special.
Brian Hayden http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:22:41 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: win.dat, RUSH, dr mosh, mike bahr Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961107131612.12902A-100000@bdmserver>
Whoevever's mail is putting that WIN.DAT crap at the end, please stop it.
Rush tonight! Of course I am very irritated by NP's comments but RUSH still is a great band and still does a great show...
WDADU is a great ablum. Sure Chuckie is no Labrie but he is still good.
I've traded with Dr Mosh and he was very quick to do his end of the trade.
Hey Mike Bahr, have you sent the Carpe Diem guy the orders for the cd? Hopefully I am on some list to get the cd since I did pay for it... It would be nice to see some Carpe Diem update that has my name on it just to put my mind at ease...
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Chicago Message-ID: <199611071934.LAA06877@pawn.ax.com>
Re: PLEEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSE, let's not compare DT and Chicago. (Yes that's a joke) I hope it IS a joke. Chicago is one of the best and inventive bands to come out of the late sixties/seventies. If you have never heard teir first album, I would strongly recommend it. Poem 58 is worh the price of the album itself. Kath was a smokin guitarist.
Just my two cents.
Mike Washkevich
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:33:16 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush vs. Type O? DT? Message-ID: <199611071933.MAA06891@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Hard to say. I'm getting disenchanted with Rush lately. I enjoyed TFE, but it's... well... irrelevant. I don't know how better to put it. Rush is exploring all these new fascinating themes and topics, and not a damned one of them matters in the slightest.
My favourite band listing used to look like this: 1. Rush 2. Metallica 3. Dream Theater 4. Queensryche 5. Galactic Cowboys
Now it looks more like: 1. Dream Theater 2. Type O Negative 3. King's X 4. Rush 5. Galactic Cowboys
I would never give up a DT gig at this point for any other gig. DT is where I am right now, and I think this extends to the greater lot of you. Rush's music, especially the entire catalogue of it, is the very essence of what awesome music is, and even their newest albums reach my ears in a positive way and kindle my musical fire. But ever since around HYF... nothing they've written "matters". I mean, really, look at songs like Roll The Bones and Half The World. Who the fuck CARES?? Those topics are so nebulous and ponderous that a person in today's world who is fighting to get ahead, reaching out to new people, and soon to settle down to married life simply cannot relate. The breath of fresh air from some of the songs on Counterparts (which actually deal with love/relationships) are nice, but they're handled academically. This is not to say that sappy love songs are good. They're generally not. But love songs can and have been handled in a mature, worthwhile way. Example: "Cinnamon Girl." without losing the spark that makes them matter.
Dream Theater, for me and most of you, is breathtakingly current right now. I had Awake on rotation play, alone, solo, for MONTHS following its release. DT is absolutely involved in the here and now and their music is a reflection of the same reality that we are also experiencing. It's basically the musicianship of Rush, but with content that works, instead of working against.
Type O Negative SHOULDN'T matter... and they DO. October Rust is quite possibly the best album of 1996. This band should have disappeared into the dust from whence they came, but instead they gave us an album full of deliciously deep songs, twisting and turning through different levels of day and night. This is a band that redefined the word "Crude" and then made songs with power and tastefulness of the highest order, songs like "Die With You", "Haunted", and "Green Man". This ENTIRE album is masterpiece material, folks. If you're dying for an arpeggiated sweep, leave it out of the tray... but if you want carefully-crafted, complex songs, with atmospheric quality unmatched, give it a listen.
King's X has mattered more and more once they explored their own mortality. Ear Candy was excellent, and the songs on it good enough that when played alongside tracks from GGTN and FHL, the older material sounds even better in association. Dogman was the low point for this band, their bounce back has been remarkable.
Well, enough of this for now. At least it was list content. Hopefully we can get a few ponderings going back and forth.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 9-0!!!
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:51:17 -0500 From: szucseue@saber.udayton.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James Joyce Message-ID: <96110714511787@saber.udayton.edu>
Whoever is trying to degrade the work of this master better back off! I've taken a full year of Joyce and carefully studied most of his work, which has helped define a generation and a lifestyle. Joyce is meant to be RE-READ, not just read. There is no way on this earth that after reading one story that anyone can formulate an opinion to base all his work on. It took Joyce ten years to write "Ulysses", which is thought by many scholars, myself included, to be one of the most illuminating book ever written. IT is quite unfortunate that anyone out there can even judge his work soley on one story. Whoever that is, I hope they go back and look beyond the text (or go back to Beverley Clearly); Did I hear someone say Ayn Raynd was a great writer? She is not bad, but her character sketches lack any type of luster found in classic literature, although her elitist philosophy comes through pretty clearly, suprising enough (sorry no DTC)
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:28:12 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Show-Toppers Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961107121805.11103A-100000@homer20.u.washington.edu>
> From: "A. Williamson" <ajwilli@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> > Subject: G3 > > My brother and I agreed that Johnson stole the show.
---- > From: 99ABEL@alma.edu > Subject: more Steve Vai...NDTC > > I just have to agree with Chris Ptacek about Vai, I don't think > Chris said where he saw G3 but I saw them at the Palace Thursday night > and Vai was amazing to watch... I've never seen anyone have so much fun > on stage. He easily stole the show, it just went downhill from there.
Man, I don't know what to expect now. There don't seem to be any overwhelming agreements from the people who've seen the shows as to who led the pack and whatnot. Many have said Johnson was the quiet paladin of the trio with the sweetest tone and most tasteful/melodic chops, many have said Satriani just kicked ass and displayed his Obi Wan Kenobi-ness with a stellar performance that solidly outshined the other two, many have said Vai is the zesty showman with the really wild licks and unbelievably impressive technique...
Then there are the stragglers who declare Stu Hamm just pulls the carpet right out from under the headliners. Then there's Adrian Legg, the guy with a huge reputation and a supposedly novel approach that makes the rest of the gang look like hacks. In fact, the only less-than-awesome reviews I've heard so far were the ones regarding Kenny Wayne Shephard, though those were probably (at least partially) due to the company he was in.
Maybe Kenny should tour with Stu and Adrian...
Anyway, I remember long ago stumbling into an archive of DT graphics. It had scanned-in band photos, Majesty symbols, and a bunch of wildly colored "Dream Theater" logos. All of these were on a single gigantic page that was comprised of about two hundred thumbnails. Does anyone know what happened to this site?
I say again. If you begin a paragraph with "From" against the left side of the screen, as I foolishly did in my last post, the entire paragraph will disappear and be replaced with
"-----------------------------------"
I don't know why this happens. Chris Ptacek will probably tell me "the mailing software is being a dick," so I might have to ask Skadz...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: Krysten Debroka <kryt@expert.cc.purdue.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD's for sale Message-ID: <199611072048.PAA02204@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
I'm trying to sell the following CD's:
Dream Theater - Live in Long Island - Live at the Marquee - Subconcious
Rising Power - Power for the People (Mike Portnoy's first band)
Rush - Hemispheres - Counterparts
Fates Warning - Parallels
Please email me at kryt@expert.cc.purdue.edu if you are interested. I am _not_ on the ytsejam mailing list anymore.
---Kryt
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2000 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961107174703.8402A-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 Matthew Sirois wrote:
(Quoting Bafu here:)
> > > > > Pleasure Crush opened for DT last December at the El 'N Gee. They were > > unanimously referred to as "One of the worst, no I'm sorry, THE Worst > > Fucking Band I've ever heard." by Brian Cox, Andrew Keegan, and several > > folks who happened to catch their act. Pleasure Crush is also the reason a > > lot of people couldn't feel their own bodies as they entered the club > > after something like seventeen hours of waiting in something like two > > degrees farenheit. > >
While I *may* have said this at the time, I now have absolutely no recollection of Pleasure Crush. I know I was in the club and must have watched them play, but I'm now in major denial of this fact. I honestly don't remember the band at all.
> Pleasure Crush were good, they played their stuff, they did their > thing, and they left. they didn't do anything stupid, and they didn't > damage my hearing... they left that for dt.
Bless their souls.
Never EVER trust your hearing to those uncaring guys in DT. Put your faith in some earplugs instead.
> i'll never get over the fact that people on this list are so eager > to rip on bands that AREN'T dt, or some other such prog band. get over it, > folks, just because it's hard to play, doesn't make it good. >
Get over what?
If I did say that Pleasure Crush was the worst band, it would probably be because I though they were. Not because they weren't prog or complex. At any rate, they were unmemorable.
Besides, what's the big deal? There will always be people who will trash a band that you like. Get over it.
Anyone for a Pleasure Crush El N Gee tape tree?
Andy
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