YTSEJAM Digest 2012
Today's Topics:
1) Phish
by btomko@glasscity.net
2) KORN, x-ers, and bowls
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
3) Re: CiaW single?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
4) Re: CiaW single?
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
5) Re: ciaw
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
6) Re: KORN, x-ers, and bowls
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
7) HELP!!
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
8) Re: CiaW single?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
9) DT Tickets that are on sale...
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
10) bootlegs
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
11) Complete thoughts, if anyone cares
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
12)
by
13) theory
by WildKoba@aol.com
14) MP drum solos
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
15) Yip! Yip!
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
16) More Bootleg Babble
by Heather Powers <ladydragon@earthlink.net>
17) Re: fan club
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
18) Re: Shocking News
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
19) Re: various DTC/NDTC
by Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
20) Re: CiaW single?
by Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
21) Probable end to the Theory Thread 2112
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:56:41 -0500
From: btomko@glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Phish
Message-ID: <B0000108906@home.glasscity.net>
I saw Phish last night in Auburn Hills, Michigan. They are the best band
I've ever seen live. Their show beat Rush, REM, Pink Floyd, etc... If
anyone knows where I can get a tape of one of their recent shows, please
email me!!!!
Mark Tomko
spector@dreamt.org
Keeper of The Website at the End of the Universe
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/8243/index.html
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:11:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KORN, x-ers, and bowls
Message-ID: <199611110011.QAA03756@acme.csusb.edu>
Alright--
I'm not pointing fingers, but this is something that I take major offense
to:
The act of referring to today's youths as the members of generation X.
This is just not so. The youngest generation X-ers are 19 this year. The
cutoff date to be in generation x was 12-31-77. I am a member of the real
generation x, and I have only smoked one bowl in my life. I hated it, so
i did not continue on that sidewalk along the road to self destruction. I
don't even know what the name is for the current generation. I just know
that their attention spans will have to lengthen by about five hours to
even compete with x-ers. They're the antithesis of the true x-er. None
of them even know who "the Defender of The Universe" was (hint: VOLTRON).
So, I cast my vote in this sea of cyber humanity that we come up with a
provisional "ytse-title" for the members of the current generation.
--I think it should be generation I. for two reasons:
1) they only care about themselves and their (baaaaa) individuality, hence
the "I."
2) let the I as an initial stand for their collective ignorance.
By the way, I don't dig Korn either.
DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC
-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC
C-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC
TC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC
DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC:
wHAT HAPPENED TO THE STRING ABOUT THE DEMO VERSION OF TTT VERSUS THE
rELEASED VERSION??
I'd like to know the input of others.
--ProgRockBoy
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:13:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: CiaW single?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961110201334.17029B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> I've noticed in a lot of bootlegs that I have that just before CiaW,=20
> James refers to it as 'our latest single', or words to that effect. I=20
> have The Silent Man and Lie singles.. but I have never seen one for=20
> CiaW... Is there one out somewhere? And if so, what is on it?
i have the promo signle of CiaW.
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:28:09 -0500
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: CiaW single?
Message-ID: <32868F38.57F8@caribe.net>
Syrinx wrote:
>
> > I've noticed in a lot of bootlegs that I have that just before CiaW,=20
> > James refers to it as 'our latest single', or words to that effect. I=20
> > have The Silent Man and Lie singles.. but I have never seen one for=20
> > CiaW... Is there one out somewhere? And if so, what is on it?
>
> i have the promo signle of CiaW.
Ok so what's in it? Can I get one? :)
Kain
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:20:06 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ciaw Message-ID: <199611110126.SAA03874@cyberhighway.net>
> it was a promotional single, like the TTT single... whereas lie and tsm were > more actual singles. ciaw has the cd version and the radio edit on it. i > dont have it, but if anyone does have it, i want it :) > > ~Rip
Yeah, I guy I know has the Pull My Udder one. The asshole doesn't like DT at all, but won't give it up just because he knows I want it. I guess I shouldn't expect anything for free from the guy, since I make fun of his girlfriend all the time. :)
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
"Life is Precious. All of life. And one must try to take in as much of it as possible." -- Yanni
"Life sucks." -- Butthead "Yeah, yeah! And then you die!" -- Beavis
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:23:31 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: KORN, x-ers, and bowls Message-ID: <199611110129.SAA04390@cyberhighway.net>
> even compete with x-ers. They're the antithesis of the true x-er. None > of them even know who "the Defender of The Universe" was (hint: VOLTRON).
heheh. Don't forget Romper Room! heheh. VOLTRON was kewl. Damn power-rangers ripped him off.
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
"Life is Precious. All of life. And one must try to take in as much of it as possible." -- Yanni
"Life sucks." -- Butthead "Yeah, yeah! And then you die!" -- Beavis
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:34:42 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: HELP!! Message-ID: <199611110034.QAA03970@acme.csusb.edu>
Jammerz!!!!
I have been bitten by a huge, Parker-Fly-playing, "shredding" animal!! His name is Reeves Gabrels, and the album is "The Sacred Squall of Now."
If you all like music that is off the wall, sometimes aggressive, definitely uncalled for, and quite well orchestrated, you need to hear him. There is not a single synthesizer, keyboard, or vibrator on the whole recording, and there are passages that sound like a full string orchestra. Gabrels is the master of the gratuitous overdub principle. The album is a joy to listen to, and if you aren't expecting what you're hearing, I hope you aren't driving. I bought the disc, threw it in the CD-player in my truck and hauled ass... A couple of little phrases later, I almost ran off the road. Reeves is surprisingly good. Check it out.
--ProgRockBoy
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Kain <kain@caribe.net> Subject: Re: CiaW single? Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961110204243.19940B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> > > I've noticed in a lot of bootlegs that I have that just before CiaW,=20 > > > James refers to it as 'our latest single', or words to that effect. I=20 > > > have The Silent Man and Lie singles.. but I have never seen one for=20 > > > CiaW... Is there one out somewhere? And if so, what is on it? > > > > i have the promo signle of CiaW. > Ok so what's in it? Can I get one? :)
all it has is the promo version and the cd version.
can you get one? you can try, but you can't get mine.
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:15:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Tickets that are on sale... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961110210617.10201A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Just checked Ticketmaster.com. DT tickets are on sale for Birch Hill, Poughkeepsie, and Toad's Place. You can order the tickets for Toads and Poughkeepsie over the website, if you are lazy enough, but you have to call for Birch Hill... :( Tickets run between $10-$15. for the three choices, but I'd bet money that it'll be close to $20 with all of the Ticketbastard charges if you call. So, for those of ya'll from the Boston and northward who were talkin at the Rush concert on Saturday, let's talk road trip.
Oh, and to Jeff, Skadz, Brian, The Digital Man, Rachel, Mike B., uh, and all of the people on this list who I wasn't introduced to,(those same folks), thanks for a killer time at the Concert. Let's get a HUGE caravan for December!
-jeremy
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:36:25 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: bootlegs Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961111023625.0068d6e0@ici.net>
> Besides the dollar factor, how would you feel (considering that most of >us on here are musicians) if some 12 year old kid with a tape recorder >was walking around town making money off of tapes of your bands worst >performance?
Well, that sounds like the dollar factor again...
I think you have the wrong impression of bootlegging. Most people who bootleg shows do not do it to make money off of it. The want to have live performances on tape, and they trade the ones they have for the ones they don't have.
Having said *that*......
>You pay to *see* them play and *hear* it LIVE. After that, there is no more >obligation between the merchant and the patron. If you're able to record the >show, great. If you can sell it at a reasonable cost to a die-hard fan,
Okay, assuming you want to look at attending a concert as a business transaction, then both parties must live up to the "contract"...and here is a direct quote from the back of one of my DT ticket stubs (10/20/94 at the Strand for anyone that's keeping track. :))
"Holder agrees by use of this ticket not to transmit or aid in transmitting any description, account, picture or reproduction of the game or event to which this ticket is issued"
To paraphrase it in the context of this discussion - "It is illegal to distribute bootleg tapes of this concert. We don't care whether you are making money of of it or not. Don't do it". If you bootleg a show, it is *you* who are breaking the contract, not the band (or the promoter, or the venue, etc).
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:39:39 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Complete thoughts, if anyone cares Message-ID: <199611110239.VAA03675@beasley.cris.com>
Seems my last post on replying to the bootleg ethics thread got edited in cyberspace. Here's the part that got chopped:
> Besides the dollar factor, how would you feel (considering that most of >us on here are musicians) if some 12 year old kid with a tape recorder >was walking around town making money off of tapes of your bands worst >performance. Wouldn't you want to have a say in whether or not people >get to hear your fuck ups?
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With all this in mind, yes, you do have a point with an artist not wanting everyone to hear a less-than-perfect performance. The money thing, I don't think is an issue, as described by my car-analogy.
And so on.....
-Rick
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:00:38 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: theory Message-ID: <961110220037_224969574@emout13.mail.aol.com>
on the topic of theory, i guess i'd like to throw in some pennies into the pot and tawk. i imagine that maybe someone has already echoed these sentiments, but if not, whatever........
theory- of course it's very good to know. of course it's a good thing to possess, but of course it don't mean you'll be some composition-god or player-god. just think of all the theory professors in colleges across the land who are so damn sharp in the analytical sense, but when asked to play...............THEY'RE FUCKING CRIPS!!!!!!!!!!!! try teaching a palsy victim how to play scriabin (no offense to actual palsy folks or politically correct "love-everyone-don't-make-fun-of-anyone" types here).
and of course, for those who fear that they can't write that "climactic middle section" they've always dreamt about, i suggest you go listen to someone like george crumb. i'm sure he knows his theory, but that shit goes all out the window. and then there's that little genre of music that sprung up in the 50s- you know, rock and roll. 12-bar blues? what? nirvana? chord progressions with all major chords (see "lithium", for example). how do you resolve those nasty dissonances? king crimson? does making your guitar sound like a goat getting anally raped (again, my pardons to any anal-rape victims) constitue as music? power chords? wow, those "3rd-less" chords sound so hollow and tentative....how will we know where the harmony goes? is it major or minor?
as you can see, i can go on and on about the sillyness of it all. if you're a "uneducated" musician-songwriter, and fear that you can't write your section that compliments the anal-rape of the goat, SHUT UP AND STOP WHINING! there are some wonderful pieces of music written by "uneducated people" (anyone ever catch that augmented 6th chord in parts of "shine on you crazy diamond"?).
and for those "educated" persons.........remember all we've learned throughout our music education- sometimes, that shit just doesn't matter. when it doesn't, fuck it- bye bye.
my main point of my communist manifesto is that either way, we shouldn't get too fixated on our knowledge of the matter. whatever- this is not the first time this has been discussed, and my position has probably changed a million times in this matter (i'm pretty i was an asshole claiming that in order to be good...you gotta hit those books- but whatever).
that's it for my communist manifesto.
and i leave you a quote from the legendary frank zappa:
"'conducting' is when you draw 'designs' in the nowhere-with a stick, or with your hands- which are interpreted as 'instructional messages' by guys wearing bow ties who wish they were fishing."
**************************************************************** david kobayashi wildkoba@aol.com dkoba8375@aol.com
"energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp
"the present-day composer refuses to die." -e. varese ****************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:12:08 -0700 From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: MP drum solos Message-ID: <m0vMmps-000Qj6C@mis01.micron.net>
>Hey of any of the bootlegs is there anyone containing a drum solo? I'd >like to kick ass in my stereo with a drum solo by Mr. MP :) >Kain
Ytsejam on WDAJU has an abbreviated drum solo. Very cool.
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:14:05 -0700 From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yip! Yip! Message-ID: <m0vMmvQ-000QjTC@mis01.micron.net>
This is my 1000th jam!
Yip! Yip!
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:34:24 -0500 From: Heather Powers <ladydragon@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: More Bootleg Babble Message-ID: <32869EC0.53B9@earthlink.net>
Ok Let's say that a "bootlegger" does a phenomenol job at cleaning up a recording. If in fact, his work is that great, then why not attempt permission? Bootlegged means stolen. End of story. you buy a bootleg, then you've stolen.
<The way I see it, the band is making money from the actual performance.>
If you're in a band...then you know that no one really ever makes much on the performance, the largest form of revenue for most bands is merchandising. Many large bands actually PAY for spots on larger tours just so that they will have the opporitunity to play larger arena's. If I remember correctly I think that Slaughter paid 10grand a show to be on the Kiss tour way back when. My whole point is...bootlegging is stealing unless the band allows it...and if the band allows it...then it's not called bootlegging :P - LadyDragon
Anyone in a band knows that the amount you make from an actual
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 00:14:11 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: fan club Message-ID: <199611110414.AAA01350@mail.caribe.net>
At 02:10 PM 11/10/96 -0800, you wrote:
>i sent my check around a month ago, and recieved everything two days ago. >couldn't be more happy :) patience man. > > ~Rip > cool.what did you get..exactly? :) email me privately please :)
> >
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone.. We can hope for the future..but there may not be one... DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 00:15:31 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Shocking News Message-ID: <199611110415.AAA01397@mail.caribe.net>
At 03:32 PM 11/10/96 -0800, you wrote: >** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 11/10/96 1:50pm -0800 > >To all that were on IRC on sunday :) > >"Today's top story: Guitarist for the Progressive band Dream >Theater, John Pettrucci was taken to hospital
hehehehehehehehehehe LOL!!!!!
Cheers Carlos
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:58:08 -0600 (CST) From: Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: various DTC/NDTC Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961110215717.16970D-100000@glibm25.cen.uiuc.edu>
> > For anyone interested, The LiT drum solo is approx 4:42, and the > LiT TLF guitar solo clocks in at 7:12. > Hey of any of the bootlegs is there anyone containing a drum solo? I'd > like to kick ass in my stereo with a drum solo by Mr. MP :) > Kain
Just about any of the shows off the I&W tour. I dont remember any off the awake tour that had a drum solo.
Ed
Chat with: talk polzin@isr1165.urh.uiuc.edu WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ BOOTLEGS: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/boots.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ - Duct Tape is like The Force: It has a Dark Side, it - - has a light side, and it holds the Universe together. - ------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:05:28 -0600 (CST) From: Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: CiaW single? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961110220419.16970E-100000@glibm25.cen.uiuc.edu>
> I've noticed in a lot of bootlegs that I have that just before CiaW,=20 > James refers to it as 'our latest single', or words to that effect. I=20 > have The Silent Man and Lie singles.. but I have never seen one for=20 > CiaW... Is there one out somewhere? And if so, what is on it?
I have a promo copy of CiaW so i know that it exists. Maybe it wasnt released in the US or something.
Ed
Chat with: talk polzin@isr1165.urh.uiuc.edu WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ BOOTLEGS: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/boots.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ - Duct Tape is like The Force: It has a Dark Side, it - - has a light side, and it holds the Universe together. - ------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 23:59:45 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Probable end to the Theory Thread 2112 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961111055945.006c4a38@enteract.com>
>Maybe cuz they're good guitars. I have rarely heard a guy play an >Ibanez in a way I didn't like, and if i do, I beat them with it. :)
If you'd like to maintain this delusion, do NOT ever work at a guitar center. :)
Now this theory thread is getting a little weird. It's an interesting topic, but I don't know how it got twisted into "Don't learn theory or you suck" vs. "Learn theory" I don't think anyone's saying you will hurt your playing by learning the architecture behind what you're playing. My main point (which started this silliness) was that I find it distasteful to name every move and every single part of each technique. I didn't mean that it's impolite to state the exact chord you're playing in a given measure.... even if it is an Fadd9add#11. Besides the point, that sort of theory is REALLY simple to understand, once you see how to look at it... I could explain it to any musicians that would like some clarification on the matter. I just want everyone to be clear that at no time did I mean to imply that you could do anything but benefit from music theory, when applied correctly.
And MAN do I have to stop writing messages and coming back to change things. I end up with some really weird typos.
Good Night All, and happy 2112
"I'm afraid of politicians who have no hobbies." - A.R.U.
Christopher Ptacek EnterAct, L.L.C. We don't suck. We now have proof. http://www.enteract.com (312) 248-8511 "#1 ISP in the Midwest, #3 in the USA." - C|Net (http://www.cnet.com)
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