YTSEJAM Digest 2010
Today's Topics:
1) New Tunes
by "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
2) Re: Korn
by "Joseph M. Lofft" <jmlofft@buffnet.net>
3) Bootleg Hatred
by Heather Powers <ladydragon@earthlink.net>
4) Re: Korn
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
5) Jumping into the theory fray
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
6) Re: 12 notes
by matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
7) Re: Korn
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2008
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2009
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) korn on the kob :)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) ...and the vots...keep rolling in...
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
12) Bitten by the "From" bug
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
13) Strand..
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2009
by "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
15) Dream Theater tour dates...
by ASHUSTER@LOYOLA.EDU
16) Concert dates and stuff
by Andrew Rittner <adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
17) Re: Korn
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:43:11 -0600
From: "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Tunes
Message-ID: <3286142F.3C40@netins.net>
Howdy Jammers,
I recently picked up a couple of Type O Negative disks. This was due
in part to the traffic about them on the 'jam. I really like Bloody
Kisses. I had some pre-conceived notions about what TON would sound
like and I was completely wrong. I think they really are a talented
group. I would suggest that anybody who even the smallest idea that
they might like these guys to find a friend with one of their (TON not
your friends) disks and give it a listen.
todd
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:56:03 -0500
From: "Joseph M. Lofft" <jmlofft@buffnet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Korn
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961110165603.006a2cf4@buffnet.net>
>There are some simplistic bands that have great songs. I have yet to
>hear Korn produce such song. Maybe it's the fact that I haven't been
>shown the right ones. I'm not being closed-minded, I have given them
>a try, but the only good thing I saw about them is that one of the
>guys plays an Ibanez.
Oh, so anyone who plays Ibanez Guitars and Basses has the
possibility of being good? I have never heard a Korn song
in my life, but I know if I did, I wouldn't be influenced
by what type of guitars they were playing.
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:01:55 -0500
From: Heather Powers <ladydragon@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bootleg Hatred
Message-ID: <32861893.292C@earthlink.net>
I can't understand why anyone with a brain could rationalize the
selling of bootlegs. Ok i can understand wanting to hear...EVERYTHING
that a band plays, expecially bands like DT that are so talented. Yet if
you bootleg a tape, what gives you the right to make money off of
someone elses efforts? DT aren't up there so that you can make a buck
off of them, they're there to play a great show and hopefully make some
money of their own in the process.
Besides the dollar factor, how would you feel (considering that most of
us on here are musicians) if some 12 year old kid with a tape recorder
was walking around town making money off of tapes of your bands worst
performance. Wouldn't you want to have a say in whether or not people
get to hear your fuck ups? and if you DID decide to let people hear
it..then wouldn't you want a piece of that $$$ ? Of course you won't all
agree..but you'll never see me walking around with a tape made without
permission.
Lady Dragon
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:06:43 -0500
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Korn
Message-ID: <328627C3.525D@caribe.net>
Joseph M. Lofft wrote:
>
> >There are some simplistic bands that have great songs. I have yet to
> >hear Korn produce such song. Maybe it's the fact that I haven't been
> >shown the right ones. I'm not being closed-minded, I have given them
> >a try, but the only good thing I saw about them is that one of the
> >guys plays an Ibanez.
>
> Oh, so anyone who plays Ibanez Guitars and Basses has the
> possibility of being good? I have never heard a Korn song
> in my life, but I know if I did, I wouldn't be influenced
> by what type of guitars they were playing.
He's not saying that having an Ibanez makes them good. He's saying that
the only thing he liked about them, the lighter side he found, was their
use of Ibanez guitars. That's all. He still doesn't like Korn as you can
see.
Hey everyone, I was wondering about the International Fan Club and our
subscriptions before Christmas 'cause it'd be rewarding. Is DT gonna
pull out Christmas tunes in a christmas cd? I know I heard about this
somewhere, if it was here then sorry for wasting bandwidth with
already-talked-about-topics.
Kain
-- |------------------------------------------------| |My newest incarnation.... | |http://www.activision.com/bloodomen/index.html | |The ultimate bloodfest... | |------------------------------------------------|------------------------------
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jumping into the theory fray Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9611101207.C29639-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
I figured I ought to give my two cents on music theory, in case anyone cares. My knowledge of theory is *extremely* limited - all I know I learned from guitar magazines in the 80s. Go ahead, laugh now. The problem is that I know more theory than most of the people I've played with.
Nine times out of ten, it doesn't matter at all. But that tenth time is when you're trying to write the perfect bridge for a song. You've got this climbing, powerful chorus. You can almost *hear* the bridge in your head. You know how it *should* sound. But what the hell chord are you hearing in your mind? OK, stop. The song's in E minor, which means that the notes you want are in the key of G. Hmm, this chord would fit, but no, I used that in the verse. Dammit, I know what I want to play, but where is it?
Then the guitar player comes up with something really out there that doesn't flow back into any of the previous parts. And I try to explain why it doesn't fit. "Yeah, all the notes seem ok, but you switched into the mixafewofem mode, and it changes the feel. That's not what I was thinking at all, and you can't just jump into the chorus after that." "What?"
That's where theory is supposed to come in. If I knew theory, a million songs like that would be done. I could care less if Petrucci's playing a C7Demolished over Derek's F+3.14Demented-5. I simply enjoy listening to their stuff. It evokes a response. But when I'm at rehearsal, trying to finish a song destined for greatness, I'd give my right arm to know what chord is supposed to come next.
Now, of course, at this stage in my life, I'm too busy learning how computers translate a bunch of ascii characters into 1's and 0's to have the time for a theory course, and I regret it. If I could have taken a course in high school or something, I wouldn't be having this problem.
Learn theory. It can only help.
***** SOAPBOX MODE OFF *****
I had a great time at last night's Rush concert. Skadz, Wherry, Bogie, Mike Burstin, Rachel, Parallels, Joe, Jeremy, Jeff (dammit, who am I forgetting?), you guys made it worth the 3+ hour drive to Boston. Hope to see a lot of you at Poughkeepsie and New Haven.
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:17:51 -0600 (CST) From: matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 12 notes Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961110113421.2357db20@tam2000.tamu.edu>
>From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@mail.gnn.com>
>with only 12 notes to work with <snip>
oh, i'm afraid i must disagree with you on this one, andrew. the idea that there are only 12 notes is a VERY western concept. many other forms of music use MANY more than 12 notes. hell, i use them myself.
anyway, what you said is a bit misleading. that may be true for your typical western individual that doesn't know much about various musical forms of the world, but for many other types of music, the 12-note system is just not the case. not that you need to use more than 12 notes, of course. it's just simply not always the case.
just wanted to point that out. ;)
regards, matt.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ m a t t r o s i n / imagescape@tamu.edu S U R R E A L I T Y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ dark ethereal music / SURREALITY II AVAILABLE NOW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:15:48 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Korn Message-ID: <199611101821.LAA17387@cyberhighway.net>
> >There are some simplistic bands that have great songs. I have yet to > >hear Korn produce such song. Maybe it's the fact that I haven't been > >shown the right ones. I'm not being closed-minded, I have given them > >a try, but the only good thing I saw about them is that one of the > >guys plays an Ibanez. > > Oh, so anyone who plays Ibanez Guitars and Basses has the > possibility of being good? I have never heard a Korn song > in my life, but I know if I did, I wouldn't be influenced > by what type of guitars they were playing.
Heheh. I find that most of the talented players out there pick Ibanez' for some reason or another though, Satch, Vai, Petrucci, Skolnick, Gambale, Gilbert, etc.
Maybe cuz they're good guitars. I have rarely heard a guy play an Ibanez in a way I didn't like, and if i do, I beat them with it. :)
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
"Life is Precious. All of life. And one must try to take in as much of it as possible." -- Yanni
"Life sucks." -- Butthead "Yeah, yeah! And then you die!" -- Beavis
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:15:48 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2008 Message-ID: <199611101821.LAA17394@cyberhighway.net>
>The new Queensryche CD is almost completed, all that's left is the vocal >tracks. They are looking at a mid-spring release date. There is still >no word on a title for the CD or songs. It's expected to be 'happier' >than Promised Land was. :)
Yeah. What I heard (from someone who said that they met Geoff in person, not that I believe them or anything) was that the albums are gonna have that happy "2 Miles High" feel. After actually interpreting the lyrics, I was freaked when I realized it was about going on an *insert halucinogenic drug here* trip. Heheh. I just hope they make a step ahead and not a step back.
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
"Life is Precious. All of life. And one must try to take in as much of it as possible." -- Yanni
"Life sucks." -- Butthead "Yeah, yeah! And then you die!" -- Beavis
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:34:58 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2009 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961110183458.006d91c0@enteract.com>
>i believe you're referring to Yanni, correct? hope so. otherwise >this post will be pointless. the man is phenomenally talented. >*but*, and i do emphasize *but*, he's a prodigy. no normal musican >can, without formal training, teach themselves to play the way he >does and write the complex arrangements that he does.
I Think a lot more people are capable of doing this but are too intimidated by statements like that, or by people telling them they are foolish for attempting such a thing. I know some untrained guitarists who've put together amazing pieces of music, written for multiple instruments. It's all part of developing an ear.
>and as far as saying you want to write something original? it can't >be done. with only 12 notes to work with, it's impossible to come up >with a completely original line of music. people have been composing >for thousands of years.
Ha Ha. :) (remember that kid from the Simpsons)
---------------------- > Can anyone tell the name of a good piano theory book? If this shit >doesn't help me, then dammit, I'm kicking all of your asses. :) I >have learned some theory from my Guitar Grimoire, but I'm thinking >about kicking the guitar altogether and hitting the keys full force. >For some reason or another, I have a much easier time with pianos >than I do with guitar, and I think that's why theory frustrates me so >much.
Ugh... you poor guy... you got the Guitar Grimoire as a theory book? I know they claim it teaches music theory... but I was lucky enough to see it and flip through it before I bought it. There's not a whole lot of theory in that book. Consider it to be what it is: a Grimoire, or Spellbook. When you have need or are feeling adventurous, seek out the sounds you want to hear.... but learn your way around on your own. There are many better Theory books out there. I'd prefer to let someone else recommend one because I went in huge circles on the process of learning the theory I know.
As far as the piano being easier for you than the guitar... I believe the piano is right off the bat one of the easiest instruments to play... as far as getting technique down. That's why Piano Virtuosos REALLY have to blow your mind, doing totally inhuman things, while most people just go "Dude!" and play air guitar to a Steve Vai song. I've played guitar for 8 years and piano for less than half a year. I wish it was possible to improve o other guitar at the speed I improved on the piano.... but guitar technique takes time and practice, and is often times even painful in the beginning (always take a break when it hurts, or you can do permanent damage). ---------------------- > >From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> >To: ytsejam@ax.com
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Heh he hehe hehehe! He said from. :) ------------------
>On this music theory thread, I'd like to say that I don't think it's >NECESSARY to write good songs, but it can certainly help. I would >say that I have a slightly more than rudimentary knowledge of theory. > the beauty of my learning experience is that I was easily able to >apply what I learned from my years as a trombonist to my bass playing >when i took that up about 4 years ago.
I'd describe my level as about the same. I'm at the theory point where you know what you know... but don't know where to move next with it. Perhaps one of the greatest benefits of music theory is the ability to move it to other instruments. That's how I'm learning keys. -------------------------- > Yes, I can analyze a piece of music MUCH better than >before, but, no, I don't see that my instrumental abilities or my >songwriting efforts have improved much.
To improve your playing you have to practice a lot. I remember you improving slowly as you were practicing, but your confidence seemed to drop and you took the "Fuck This" attitude. As far as analyzing music better.... I don't know about that..... I have improved at it... but I think it's a product of more focused listening, not my theory knowledge.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:50:57 -0600 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: korn on the kob :) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961110185057.006d585c@mail.inlink.com>
i really wanna throw in something to this thread because korn is one of my all time favorite bands, right up there with marillion, tori amos, and DT.
> Okay, since we're already way off topic, Korn's fine. The problems >they have are: > 1) They have a more "alternative" sound now (ala Filter type of sound).
not entirely true... i think the new album branches off even heavier than their first release, i wont go into song names and certain detail because most people wont know wtf i'm talking about anyways, but the rhythm is still there, groove of which i've never heard filter produce, but they just got a helluva lot heavier.
> 2) They sometimes (almost always) sound just like total noise >because the guitarists rarely harmonize. They seem to like dissonance.
korn's not a band you listen to when you want harmonized guitars, they lay things down heavily.. one of the most common negatives i hear about korn is that they're too predictable... i guess this one's just a matter of opinion, as all of these are actually, but when i throw in a cd of theirs i'm not looking for a wild musically harmonized insightful ride, i'm usually ticked off and want to hear some guy scream his balls off while some lower than shit 7-stringers break out some hellashious rhythms and taunt and bitch and whine about anything and everything. gotta love that :)
> 3) The singer rarely sings, he usually sounds like the Tazmanian >Devil. You Korn fans know what I mean.
agreed, but i think thats a cool aspect about him... and when he's not doing that he's either whispering or screaming bloody gore. the singing style's very hard edged, he likes to bark a lot of it out too... just another thing that separates them from every other band (except for maybe sepultura, who's adopted the style quite well on Roots... heavily in Ratamahatta :)
> >There are some simplistic bands that have great songs. I have yet to >hear Korn produce such song.
i have yet to hear korn as a simplistic band.... they're definately not a bunch of talentless wanks, james shaffer used to solo and whatnot in an old korn related band LAPD. but soloing really doesnt compliment the whole korn thing, its just something different. they also look up to alot of different artists, from Steve Vai to Public Enemy, thats not exactly a simple range of influences.
yeah i know this wont change anyones views, but i felt i needed to get on and throw in why i really like korn, cuz theres a lot of jammers who would dig these guys, and do i'm sure, and dont want anyone scared away from them completely. sure theyre rather trendy, their shirts are everywhere, their name is everywhere, but SFW, i'm not judging bands on who else likes them, i used to do that and got screwed out of a lot of cool music.. at least give them a listen, and try and see why even if you dont like em, why someone else could.
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:02:38 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ...and the vots...keep rolling in... Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961110140036.2514A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
hiya, kids.
i have to say, i'm impressed. the votes have been rolling in. i love this. i need more votes for my end of year poll, tho.
SO FAR, THESE ARE THE TOP 10:
Rush - Test For Echo Tool - Aenima Steve Vai - Fire Garden Lemur Voice - Insights King's X - Ear Candy Type O Negative - October Rust Yes - Keys To Ascension Metallica - Load Galactic Cowboys - Machine Fist Eric Johnson - Venus Isle
E-MAIL ME AT syrinx@dreamt.org FOR YOUR TOP 5 CD'S OF 1996.
thank you. =)
____________________________________________ michael b. ostrich - musical consultant e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..and now you're trembling on a rocky ledge, staring down into a heartless sea. done with life on a razor's egde, nothing's what you thought it woule be.." - neil peart.
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:21:05 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bitten by the "From" bug Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961110192105.00673800@ici.net>
My first response got eaten, so after rephrasing the first sentence, here it is in it's entirety... :)
> Does John Petrucci really despise bootlegs and the people who >make them? Why? I mean, almost all of DT's fans are absolute fanatics who >are going to buy the album on the shelf, plus anything else they can get >their hands on, right? So what's up? I'm just kind of curious.
The way I understand it, it's because he doesn't like people passing around copies of what may be "sub-standard" performances. It makes sense, knowing what perfectionists DT tend to be, that he wouldn't want some potential fan getting the wrong idea from listening to an off-night. I don't think it's a financial thing at all.
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________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Vicious Rumors - "Word Of Mouth"
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:03:10 -0500 (EST) From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Strand.. Message-ID: <199611102003.PAA21188@osfn.org>
Can someone please tell me if the December 12th (13th?) Dream Theater show at the Strand has been confirmed? They said it wasn't confirmed so they couldn't give me information two weeks ago...
Dan
-- An echo of a distant time..
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:18:35 PST From: "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2009 Message-ID: <922DA35CD7@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>
Music theory, like Intellivision, is good for you.
Glenn
^Mirror
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:35:05 -0500 (EST) From: ASHUSTER@LOYOLA.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater tour dates... Message-ID: <01IBOP95EUAA005QAU@LOYOLA.EDU>
Hey, all. I'm new to the list a , and I was wonderign if someonbe could post the dream theater tour dates, I heard they are doing a mini-tour of sorts.. Thanks ... -martin
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:24:11 +0500 From: Andrew Rittner <adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Concert dates and stuff Message-ID: <yam6888.535.36207296@uconnvm.uconn.edu>
Hey! I havn't posted to the Jam in like, a year, but that's OK. I'm just = about to leave to go see Rush tonight at the Hartford Civic Center, and I= 'm wearing my DT ACoS shirt... hehe. Anyway, I've been missing a lot of '= Jams, but read enough to know that DT is doing some dates around the NY, = CT, NJ area. Does anyone have concert dates for the Connecticut shows? If= they are on the web page, could someone send me the address? All I have = is the old one.
Thanks!
Andy Rittner
adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~adr93001=
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:01:39 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Korn Message-ID: <199611102201.SAA20532@mail.caribe.net>
A > >Hey everyone, I was wondering about the International Fan Club and our >subscriptions before Christmas 'cause it'd be rewarding. Is DT gonna >pull out Christmas tunes in a christmas cd? I know I heard about this >somewhere, if it was here then sorry for wasting bandwidth with >already-talked-about-topics. >Kain >-- Omar.. did you subscribe??? if so..have you gotten anything yet? I sent my check in like a month ago and i havent gotten the "starter pack".... hmmmm
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone.. We can hope for the future..but there may not be one... DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
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