YTSEJAM Digest 2011
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Dream Theater tour dates...
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
2) Fwd: Vai mailing list update 11/10/96
by WildKoba@aol.com
3) fan club
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2007
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
5) various DTC/NDTC
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2010
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
7) Shocking News
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
8) Re: various DTC/NDTC
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
9) DTIFC, tour dates, bootleg ethics
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
10)
by
11) Mike Portnoy speaks... (bigtime DTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
12) More QR stuff...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
13) CiaW single?
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
14) ciaw
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 17:39:04 -0500
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater tour dates...
Message-ID: <32865988.47F6@caribe.net>
ASHUSTER@LOYOLA.EDU wrote:
>
> Hey, all. I'm new to the list a
> , and I was wonderign if someonbe could post
> the dream theater tour dates, I heard they are doing a mini-tour of sorts..
> Thanks ...
> -martin
As long as I know these are the dates, but I heard one of them was
changed.
Anyway here they are..
Wed. December 4th - The Chance - Poughkeepsie, NY
Thurs. December 5th - Mulcahy's - Long Island, NY
Fri. December 6th - Toad's Place - New Haven, CT
Thu. December 12th - The Strand - Providence, RI
Sat. December 14th - Birch Hill - Old Bridge, NJ
Kain
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:47:21 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fwd: Vai mailing list update 11/10/96 Message-ID: <961110164720_1748420596@emout19.mail.aol.com>
boys and girls- i thought some of you would appreciate this, so here goes.
and if mark metzger gets this, mark- email me at my binghamton address (bd91014@binghamton.edu) asap. thanks.
**************************************************************** david kobayashi wildkoba@aol.com dkoba8375@aol.com
"my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix
"through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung **************************************************************** --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Vai mailing list update 11/10/96 Date: 96-11-10 03:30:03 EST From: GKS MAIL To: GKS MAIL
Greetings!
It's Nov 9 today and the G3 tour is done. We ended with a triumphant final performance last night in Seattle WA. During the jam at the end of the night, when Joe introduced Steve Vai and Eric Johnson, they came onstage (to Joe's surprise) in bald caps and sunglasses, spitting images of Satch himself. During "Red House", mebers from Vai's band and Johnson's band stormed the stage, showering the players with silly-string. It was an incredible ending to an incredible tour, and who should we have the extreme honor of meeting backstage than Al Hendrix, Jimi's father. I can't imagine a better ending to a better tour.
We're hitting the road here in America again in about a week or so. Here are the tour dates we have now...PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE DATES ARE *TENTATIVE*. That means that they may change at any time. We'll send out confirmed dates as we can, but check with local radio or Ticketmasters for more info.
11/18 Mon Los Angeles CA House Of Blues 11/19 Tue Ventura CA Ventura Concert Theater 11/20 Wed San Francisco CA Bimbo's 11/21 Thu Palo Alto CA The Edge 11/22 Fri Las Vegas NV The Joint 11/23 Sat OFF OFF 11/24 Sun Boulder CO Fox Theater 11/25 Mon OFF OFF 11/26 Tue Oklahoma City OK Diamond Ballroom 11/27 Wed Tulsa OK Cain's Ballroom 11/28 Thu OFF OFF 11/29 Fri Fort Worth TX Caravan Of Dreams 11/30 Sat Houston TX Cardi's 12/01 Sun New Orleans LA House Of Blues 12/02 Mon OFF OFF 12/03 Tue TBA TBA 12/04 Wed TBA TBA 12/05 Thu Minneapolis MN First Avenue 12/06 Fri Milwaukee WI The Rave 12/07 Sat Chicago IL House Of Blues 12/08 Sun St Louis MO Mississippi Nights 12/09 Mon Indianapolis IN The Vogue 12/10 Tue Cincinnati OH Bogarts 12/11 Wed Detroit MI St Andrews Hall 12/12 Thu Cleveland OH The Odeon 12/13 Fri Pittsburgh PA Graffiti 12/14 Sat Buffalo NY Ogden Street Concert Hall 12/15 Sun TBA TBA 12/16 Mon TBA TBA 12/17 Tue Danbury CT Tuxedo Junction 12/18 Wed Boston MA Axis 12/19 Thu Providence RI The Strand Theater 12/20 Fri New York NY Irving Plaza 12/21 Sat Old Bridge NJ Birch Hill 12/22 Sun TBA TBA
Mike Keneally, who has joined Steve Vai on tour as Steve's keyboardist and 2nd guitarist, has just released a new live double-CD called "Half Alive In Hollywood" and an amazing 90-minute home video called "Soap Scum Remover". Both are available at concerts, or can be ordered from Immune Records at 9269 Mission George Rd, San Diego CA 92071 - tel: 619-448-3062.
GREASY KID'S STUFF is the Official Newsletter for Steve Vai fans, and features tour info, rare pictures, interviews, news, and much more. You can become a member of GKS (and receive three newsletters plus tour update letters and a guitar pick) by sending $12 ($15 Canada/Mexico, $20 outside North America) to:
GREASY KID'S STUFF PO Box 36E65 Los Angeles, CA 90036-1465 USA
(Important: please be sure to mention this e-mail message in order to get your guitar pick, and please send US funds only).
Well, that's it for now. Hope to see you on the road!
Peace love & good happiness stuff,
Rich GREASY KID'S STUFF
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:01:56 -0600 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: fan club Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961110220156.006db568@mail.inlink.com>
> > Omar.. did you subscribe??? if so..have you gotten anything yet? I sent my >check in like a month ago and i havent gotten the "starter pack".... hmmmm
i sent my check around a month ago, and recieved everything two days ago. couldn't be more happy :) patience man.
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 17:37:04 -0500 (EST) From: acook@tiac.net (acook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2007 Message-ID: <199611102237.RAA25570@zork.tiac.net>
> >> This stuff has no meaning >>to me, and I don't see how it will help me write anything, or play >>anything any better. It will only help me do it faster, maybe, and >>give me a nifty tool to impress any Berklee student by versing the >>words "Lydian Dominant Scale," or "That was a really nice Eb maj+b13 >>you used in measure 125." >
It's ridiculously ignorant to say something like this. There are reasons WHY things sound good in music, and theory is basically structured around those reasons. It's there to help you get at the sounds that you want to hear melodically and harmonically relating to other sounds. Theory is what tells you what your ear thinks sounds cool over say a Eb maj+b13 chord. Once you understand something like that, it will help you write and play better. I'm sure anybody who has been on both sides of the plate when it comes to this theory stuff will tell you to learn all you can and use it in the manner that suits your music most...
Adam Cook acook@tiac.net visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard hat construction area!)
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:56:49 -0700 From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: various DTC/NDTC Message-ID: <m0vMiq7-000QjBC@mis01.micron.net>
>>the only good thing I saw about them is that one of the >>guys plays an Ibanez.
> Oh, so anyone who plays Ibanez Guitars and Basses has the > possibility of being good? I have never heard a Korn song > in my life, but I know if I did, I wouldn't be influenced > by what type of guitars they were playing.
He meant that they have good taste in guitars not that Ibanez guitars automatically equal cool songs. Hey guys what's the deal with some people's attitudes? All I see is stuff like "you think that? well I (being highly superior to you) would never think/say/be influenced by that!"
Come on guys we're all on the same team here.
For anyone interested, The LiT drum solo is approx 4:42, and the LiT TLF guitar solo clocks in at 7:12.
I don't know much about theory, simply because I don't have time. I hardly have enough time to do occasional noodling.
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:22:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2010 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961110180422.104526A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 10 Nov 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:01:55 -0500 > From: Heather Powers <ladydragon@earthlink.net> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Bootleg Hatred > Message-ID: <32861893.292C@earthlink.net> > Besides the dollar factor, how would you feel (considering that most of > us on here are musicians) if some 12 year old kid with a tape recorder > was walking around town making money off of tapes of your bands worst > performance.
Personally, I would love it. I see bootlegs as the ultimate compliment that a band can receive. Think about it: people love you so much that they want everything associated with you that they can get their hands on: t-shirts, stickers, posters, etc. Bootlegs are included in that list. If someone is willing to plunk down $25 bucks to hear a live performance of you, you should be flattered. And as far as it being my worst performance, I'd rather have people clammering to buy an "illegal" copy of my worst performance than to have no one interested enough in my band to buy my official releases.
Wouldn't you want to have a say in whether or not people > get to hear your fuck ups?
I'm not perfect, so why give the illusion that I am? I personally get a kick out of hearing my favorite bands fuck up. It makes them seem more human.
and if you DID decide to let people hear > it..then wouldn't you want a piece of that $$$
Here is where I think you have a point. One of the common rationales of the anti-bootleg stance is that it takes away from the revenue a band might earn from the sale of official releases. I think this line of thinking is bullshit. Show me one person on this list that owns a bootleg ("Lost In The Sky," "Mind Control," one of Mike Bahr's releases, etc) that does not own a Dream Theater album. In reality, people buy the official releases, become a fan, buy bootlegs, and become even bigger fans However, the only time that I can see bootlegs taking away from revenue is if your band is planning on releasing a live album from your tour. Then maybe I can understand (although a true fan would buy the official live album as well). But shy of that, I think bootlegs are a great idea. I wish a lot of bands would be a little allowing of tapers, ala The Grateful Dead. Hell, even Queensryche allowed taping on their last tour.
Richie
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:24:06 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shocking News Message-ID: <199611102327.XAA20334@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 11/10/96 1:50pm -0800
To all that were on IRC on sunday :)
"Today's top story: Guitarist for the Progressive band Dream Theater, John Pettrucci was taken to hospital after him and his band mates were attacked by dozens of little children. The kids claimed that he was "The Shredder" and that he had to be destroyed...this came after the fact that a local Dream Theater fan, said that "JP is a shredder" For more news, stay tuned to this station for more details. "
Mark
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:29:25 -0500 From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: various DTC/NDTC Message-ID: <32867365.45A6@caribe.net>
LRW wrote: > For anyone interested, The LiT drum solo is approx 4:42, and the > LiT TLF guitar solo clocks in at 7:12. Hey of any of the bootlegs is there anyone containing a drum solo? I'd like to kick ass in my stereo with a drum solo by Mr. MP :) Kain -- |------------------------------------------------| |My newest incarnation.... | |http://www.activision.com/bloodomen/index.html | |The ultimate bloodfest... | |------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:46:27 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DTIFC, tour dates, bootleg ethics Message-ID: <199611102346.SAA05534@cliff.cris.com>
Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> commented on Kain's post,
>>Hey everyone, I was wondering about the International Fan Club and our >>subscriptions before Christmas 'cause it'd be rewarding.... >>Kain
> Omar.. did you subscribe??? if so..have you gotten anything yet? I sent my >check in like a month ago and i havent gotten the "starter pack".... hmmmm
I sent my check exactly one month ago, and received my first DTIFC goodies just the other day. I wouldn't worry. Thanks Neil! ---------------------
Everyone asking about tour dates: bookmark the following web site and visit it regularly: http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/ ----------------------
Heather Powers <ladydragon@earthlink.net> wrote, >Subject: Bootleg Hatred
>I can't understand why anyone with a brain could rationalize the >selling of bootlegs.
It seems to me that this subject has both an upside and a downside. The upside would be for the die-hard fans who are just plain aching for more more more, and couldn't give a hoot whether a performance is "subpar". The downside, I guess, is when an artist who, after a semi-fruitful career, now is broke because his/her career has gone down the tubes for whatever reason, and meanwhile some snake bootleggers are raking in lots of dough selling overpriced recordings of this starving individual's previous hard work. I've heard of people getting rich with this sort of business, and yes IMO there's a problem with that.
>Ok i can understand wanting to hear...EVERYTHING >that a band plays, expecially bands like DT that are so talented. Yet if >you bootleg a tape, what gives you the right to make money off of >someone elses efforts?
The way I see it, the band is making money from the actual performance. You pay to see them play, you enjoy it, you have (hopefully) pleasant memories. End of business transaction. If the band wanted to make even more money, I suppose they could have every show recorded and sell lots and lots of their own live performances. But they don't. Why? Maybe the record company thinks it won't make *them* any money, or maybe they think live albums should only be released every several years just to appease the fans. Hell if I know. But some of us can't seem to get enough. And if the band/label isn't willing to keep the fans happy by making lots of stuff available, then the fans have to do it themselves. Tape the show.
So the ones sneaky enough to tape shows could very well try to rape fans by selling overpriced bootlegs. Some people do that. That's where I think it's wrong. But if someone thinks they can make a modest profit (gotta cover the costs and have enough left for a meal from time to time) while providing a service to the fans, then I have no problem with that.
Here's my analogy: You go and buy a car. Then you go and *use* the new car to deliver pizzas. You're now making money off of the car that the dealership sold you. Does the dealership say, "Hey, you're using the car we sold you to make money. We deserve to get a cut of whatever you make using the car *we* sold you."? No, they don't. Why? Because the business transaction between you and the dealership is complete. If you want to take advantage of the fact that you now have a means to make a buck to pay your utilities, good for you. Use the car, deliver some pizzas, earn a living, whatever.
>DT aren't up there so that you can make a buck >off of them, they're there to play a great show and hopefully make some >money of their own in the process.
You pay to *see* them play and *hear* it LIVE. After that, there is no more obligation between the merchant and the patron. If you're able to record the show, great. If you can sell it at a reasonable cost to a die-hard fan, great. It's the concept of being an entrepreneur. Make a buck. Whether or not you rape someone in the process is another story. But in the long run, I think there is an even more solid fan-base because the fire gets fed. There is a desire to obtain obscure recordings of your favorite artist, and an excitement from having and enjoying this rarity. And it is available no other way.
> Besides the dollar factor, how would you feel (considering that most of >us on here are musicians) if some 12 year old kid with a tape recorder >was walking around town making money off of tapes of your bands worst >performance. Wouldn't you want to have a say in whether or not people >get to hear your fuck ups?
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With all this in mind, yes, you do have a point with an artist not wanting everyone to hear a less-than-perfect performance. The money thing, I don't think is an issue, as described by my car-analogy.
For example, let's consider the efforts of Mr. Mike Bahr. He's getting his hands on stuff that most of us could never find, he's cleaining it up and putting it on CD, and he's selling it to fans like us. Is he raping anyone? I don't think so. Is he making a profit? I'd imagine so, and he deserves to, since he puts a lot of effort into making these projects a reality. And besides, he's got bills to pay just like everyone else. Are people being made happy by his efforts? Absolutely. Is $25 too much for a CD? That all depends on what kind of CD it is, I think. If it's mass produced and costs pennies to make, then yes, a mark-up of that size is unreasonable. But this is not the case with his discs. He's printing up 500 discs each. That's it. And besides, $25 is a competitive price for a boot CD anyway. So with that in mind, I'm happy to shell out 25 bucks for a disc.
Other bootleg manufacturers also do a tremendous service to us fans by putting together a quality disc. Look at stuff made by Why Not? Records and Kiss The Stone Records. They make the best bootlegs I've ever heard, and it is these sorts of things that make me like DT even more.
The way I see it, a "bootleg" is an illegal copy of copyrighted material, and selling these copies is wrong. However, a "live recording" is just that. And since there's no other way to obtain these recordings, we have to do it ourselves.
My 1.5 cents. Thanks for listening.
Now Playing: Dream Theater, "Antiquities".
-Rick
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:00:23 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Portnoy speaks... (bigtime DTC) Message-ID: <v01520d00aeabc7c13813@[207.90.116.99]>
..and plays drums!!!
Just got back from another cool afternoon with Mike Portnoy. He did yet another great drum clinic here at Hauer Music in Dayton, Ohio!!!
Some notes: -I guess he cut the Dallas clinic short because of the boxing match...hehe.
-Metropolis Pt II is written!! Just the middle (instrumental) section is longer than MetPt1...coolness.
-They have over 2 hours of material, and *he* is still pushing for a double album...
-Not recording yet...I asked him when he was signing, and it's likely going to come out in the summer of '97- not Jan/Feb...longer waits suck. :(
-I tried to get the album name out of him, but he wouldn't tell... :)
He saw my brother's Galactic Cowboys' shirt, and commented about it during the clinic- that was cool. Then my bro caught him in the bathroom at the same time (purely coincidence). Mike said that he really enjoyed playing with GC (cool!). He also mentioned that he's seen some of the posts on the 'Jam. (He's lurking ever so often...)
HEY MIKE!! IF YOU'RE READING THIS...GREAT CLINIC! YOU RULE!!
Later, Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:33:52 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: More QR stuff... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961110181839.13023A@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
>>From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> >> >>The new Queensryche CD is almost completed, all that's left is the vocal >>tracks. They are looking at a mid-spring release date. There is still >>no word on a title for the CD or songs. It's expected to be 'happier' >>than Promised Land was. :) >=20 >Woo! Glad to hear it....Do you know where/how it's being mixed?? I wasn't >quit satisfied with the mixdown on PL...too much stuff got buried. :P >=20 >-Madelaine
All of the bass and drums were laid down a few weeks ago in Nashville=20 (no, as far as I know, QR has *NOT* gone country :) Almost all of the=20 guitar tracks are completed as well. I assume those were done in=20 Nashville as well, but I don't know for sure one way or the other. The=20 vocal tracks are expected to start next week sometime in Seattle, and the= =20 band will be back in Nashville in December to mix the album. Peter=20 Collins is still going to be the producer, however Jim Barton is not the=20 engineer on this one. Instead, they have someone named Toby Wright. =20
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:39:58 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CiaW single? Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961110183759.13023B-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
I've noticed in a lot of bootlegs that I have that just before CiaW,=20 James refers to it as 'our latest single', or words to that effect. I=20 have The Silent Man and Lie singles.. but I have never seen one for=20 CiaW... Is there one out somewhere? And if so, what is on it?
=20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:47:07 -0600 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>, Subject: ciaw Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961111004707.00720920@mail.inlink.com>
it was a promotional single, like the TTT single... whereas lie and tsm were more actual singles. ciaw has the cd version and the radio edit on it. i dont have it, but if anyone does have it, i want it :)
~Rip
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