YTSEJAM Digest 2019
Today's Topics:
1) NO DTC!!! but I had to!
by "I'm normal, it's the rest of the world that's weird!"
2) G3, Adrian Legg
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
3) glissando
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
4) .sig
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
5) probably a stupid question
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
6)
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
7) Poll problems
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
8) oh man, not again...
by fini@eci1.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini)
9) Very Belated G3 review
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
10)
by Michael Kasher <Michael.Kasher@aexp.com>
11) Re: Jeff Beck
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
12) Satch vs EJohnson
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:54:57 EDT
From: "I'm normal, it's the rest of the world that's weird!"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NO DTC!!! but I had to!
Message-ID: <009AB442.B2CD9620.302@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Hello Ystejamers...
soon, I shall be off. many of you have no clue who I am. but, well,
I am leaving for the BACCHUS/GAMMA National Convention in Orlando, FL. I am
getting out of Western NY, where, for those who don't know, is snowing, and
has been, for a few days now. so, if anyone on the 'jam is going to the
convention, I'm presenting, from Alfred University, called "The Walk Home".
stop by, say hi, I'm the only guy from all the presentors!
thanks
david boland
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:20:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: G3, Adrian Legg
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961112140555.60001A-100000@homer23.u.washington.edu>
Come on, you knew it was coming. This show was one of the best damn nights
I've had in a while, even if I was sitting against the back wall of the
theater. ;) Four and a half hours of great great great music. The longest
set-change of the evening was a whopping ten minutes, too.
Nutshell: Legg was aware of the cosmos. Vai was aware of the spotlight.
Johnson was aware of his guitar. Satriani was aware of the audience.
Adrian "Hardy Har Har" Legg opened the show. Due to heavy traffic on the
way to the Paramount, I missed the "tuning knob" song, which many people
were talking about after the set. :( Legg was quite humorous, though,
brushing up on his stand-up comedy routines in between songs. Man was he
precise, unbelievably precise! (his humor AND his technique!) His arms
might as well have been one limb! His tandem was absolutely impeccable.
I'd never heard anything like what he did on that guitar.
It was kind of hard to get into some of his rhythms due to his wavering
timing. You really had to watch the pace of his left knee bobbing up and
down more than listen to his playing. It would have been hard clapping
along if my eyes had been closed. Many of his songs began at breakneck
speed and would suddenly slow down, then speed back up, and I don't mean
the songs were split into parts, I mean one measure would be tumbling
along and then he would suddenly slow down. Like the Energizer Bunny with
a sputtering battery. I was absolutely floored by what he was doing, I
just couldn't understand such a minor inconsistency existing in such a
brilliant player.
"This is...a pre-CBS orthopedic scapula. I hope that clears things up a
bit. The pickup was taken from a Ukrainian mind-reading device. A lot of
people died so this pickup could be installed. I hope that clears things
up." --Adrian Legg, describing his guitar and pickup to the crowd
He could have played for three hours and I don't think I would have
minded. Does he have any solo albums out that consist of just him and his
pre-CBS orthopedic scapula? Man was that stuff ear candy. Soothing and
energetic at the same time. The changeover from his set to Vai's was about
two minutes since all they had to do was remove the chair and Legg's
effects boxes from the center of the stage.
Bafu
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:21:34 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: glissando
Message-ID: <199611122221.AAA06741@pepe.online.ee>
>Hey Chris. There's no such thing as a glissando-stop.
portamento has a stop, or rather a stopping stroke, glissando
doesn't... hmm I shoulda remembered that...
I invented legato one day, without knowing the term and without
knowing the technique. Then I checked a theory book, and there it
was, clear as day. Funny.
raitz
"Some say I'm a horrible person. That is not true.
I have a heart of a boy... In a jar on my desk."
-- Stephen King
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:15:47 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: .sig
Message-ID: <199611122220.AAA06709@pepe.online.ee>
>>AAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!"
>
>This Townsend guy must be one hell of a vocalist.
>
>(tempted to follow with "sounds like he's screaming in digital," but
>it just wouldn't be related to DT)
hmm... I double-checked and the .sig is just fine. Both outgoing and
incoming mails are alright. (The 'jam shows they're fine too.) What
the hell is going on?
raitz
love too often is only a dream
if I am too harsh and unkind to myself
so I share these attitudes with you
for in this spewing cadence of my pride
how could I!
cynic, "how could I"
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:42:10 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: probably a stupid question
Message-ID: <199611122242.AAA07156@pepe.online.ee>
AS I've gathered from the FAQ, Johm Myung can speak very little of
Korean. But the other guys... What about Petrucci's ability to speak
Italian? Or what about Derek speaking Armenian? James mouthing
French? Mike doing well in Russian (for that's who he is, ain't he)?
Been willing to know about it for a while now... :-)
raitz
"Some say I'm a horrible person. That is not true.
I have a heart of a boy... In a jar on my desk."
-- Stephen King
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:48:13 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0007C5E2@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>>>>I can't understand why anyone with a brain could rationalize the
selling of bootlegs. Ok i can understand wanting to hear...EVERYTHING that
a band plays, expecially bands like DT that are so talented. Yet if you
bootleg a tape, what gives you the right to make money off of someone elses
efforts? DT aren't up there so that you can make a buck off of them,
they're there to play a great show and hopefully make some money of their
own in the process.
Besides the dollar factor, how would you feel (considering that most of us
on here are musicians) if some 12 year old kid with a tape recorder was
walking around town making money off of tapes of your bands worst
performance. Wouldn't you want to have a say in whether or not people get
to hear your fuck ups? and if you DID decide to let people hear it..then
wouldn't you want a piece of that $$$ ? Of course you won't all agree..but
you'll never see me walking around with a tape made without permission.
Lady Dragon
----Lady dragon, I'm not sure which *bootlegs* you are speaking of but....
At least those compiled and distributed by Mr. Bahr are, as I understand,
sold pretty much at cost, with no *PROFIT* to speak of, only that $$$ to
cover costs (materials, studio production time, CD pressing, mailing, etc).
While the *official* position (of DT) may be that boots are frowned upon,
these boots seem to have the unofficial blessing of certain members of DT.
And from a legal point, I understand that these might be called gray area
boots, as they don't break any laws in the manner in which they are made &
distributed.
Besides, they are usually a boon, not a bomb for a band. Only real diehard
fans tend to buy boots, with miniscule effects on band profits. And they
would tend to increase fan interest and subsequent legitimate sales.
IHMO-(sorry for the dat attachment-I'm still working on this aspect of
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:47:33 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>, "'Freaks Mailinglist'" <freaks@ax.com>
Subject: Poll problems
Message-ID: <01BBD0F7.D7CF30C0@Traveler.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
:-(
I *really* *really* *hate* to do this, but if you've entered my Dream
Theater and/or Marillion poll on my homepage...
Please (please!) do it again... :-(
My ISP totally phuqed up over the weekend... I didn't get any responses
in my mailbox *at* *all* since Saturday afternoon...
58 people visited my homepage since then... I suspected something was
wrong, because I didn't get any responses... So I decided to enter it
myself, as a test... about 10 times !!! It just didn't work >:/
Today, I found out my ISP's mailserver was having problems (AGAIN!)...
Right now, it's working again... So, please re-enter those polls, ok ?
If you haven't entered so far, check them out at :
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy
OR
http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
I'll count the votes on December 1st, 1996 :-)
Mark
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars /=][_===_]/==_][=\_/=](=]_[=)
All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | [ ] ( (_ | _ | \ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS [_/ [_/ \___][_/ \_) [__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
Maintainer of the Freaks, Ytsejam and Voices "Most Frequent Poster Lists"
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:58:44 -0800
From: fini@eci1.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: oh man, not again...
Message-ID: <v01530500aeae5cab1e6e@[128.111.29.63]>
>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:48:41 -0600
>From: David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: ?
>Message-ID: <3288D499.3D6B@gold.tc.umn.edu>
>
>Did anyone get the new Blind Melon cd that came out today?
>
>David
uh-oh... either this guy is new or he's trying to instigate a wave of
flame mail against himself. to catch you up: due to some unpleasant remarks
made by blind melon members concerning IaW, people on this list generally
have a bias against said members. let's not create a similar situation to
what happened after shannon hoon's death last year. let it rest.
p.
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Paul T. Fini U.C. Santa Barbara
fini@engineering.ucsb.edu Materials Dept.
voice (805)893-8869, fax (805)893-8486 MOCVD group
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:13:11 -0500
From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Very Belated G3 review
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961113011311.00687a80@mail.ee.net>
I wrote this a week-and-a-half ago. It seemed kind of boring on
the second read so I didn't post it. However, now that the EJ vs
Satch vs Vai thread is booming, I will. It's still boring though.
Here's my review of the G3 concert. It is MY OPINION. Don't flame
me if you don't agree. Also, I'm not a guitarist or any other kind
of musician. So if you think I must be talking out of my ass for
that fact alone, please skip this post.
I went Wednesday, October 30, 1996 to the show at Veteran's
Memorial in Columbus, Ohio. I sat in the fourth row center with
my ytsejam (old) shirt. I ran into no other jammers in the lobby or in
the concert hall. Nor did anyone introduce themselves as jammers.
Maybe I'm the only one from here who went. (No, this isn't
whining).
Walking into the show, I noticed vans, banners, and tables from
the two crappy radio stations in town that only play any of these
artists when they're on tour. Their standard listeners hear more
G3 music during news and weather, but that's another topic.
My impression of the crowd was that it was not very large. I have
no idea what the capacity of the hall was, but I'm guessing around
5000-6000. The floor was about 80% full, the balcony was about
20% full, so I'm guessing there were maybe 2500 there.
I was expecting a subdued crowd of guitar freaks, sitting down and
watching in amazement at these spectacular performers. However, the
crowd was filled with a good percentage of "I'm only here for the
beer" types, who felt compelled to leave for beer every 2.1 songs.
I bought my ticket at a Ticketfuckme outlet the instant they went
on sale a month-and-a-half ago. The people sitting around me bought
their tickets through Ticketshafter the day of the show. To me,
this is proof that there is some collusion between Ticketbastard and
the ticket brokers to distribute tickets outside the "official"
distribution channels for inflated prices. Since the tickets weren't
moving, the brokers sent them back to TicketRacket for resale. I saw
black helicopters outside the hall too, so that's more proof of
a conspiracy (just kidding on that last part). That's another
topic altogether.
Adrian Legg (or Leg, I don't know) opened the show about 10 minutes
early, catching the drinkers off guard. I had never knowingly heard
any of his material before this show. I was impressed. I agree with
the dude who raved about his performance. It was clearly the most
innovative of the night, despite a 10-minute lull to restring his
guitar after an unfortunate break.
Adrian was set up in some island in the middle of Vai's equipment.
Despite his relative isolation, it still required 20 minutes to
tear him down and set up for Vai. For some reason, this was the
longest intermission of the evening. Perhaps it was my impatience
for the headliners.
Predictably, Vai opened with _There's_a_fire_in_the_house_. I thought
he sounded WAY too loud. Unbelievably, during his performance, he twice
gave the "jack it up" signal to his staff requesting additional
(and unnecessary) volume. His set list was fantastic. I don't remember
every single detail so I won't include any. I didn't care that he
didn't play the "singles" from Passion and Warfare, because he DID
play Bad Horsie, my favorite Vai tune. I was extremely disappointed
in the under-amplification of his vocals. His bass guitarist seemed
familiar for some reason, and laid down a good groove. His drummer
was good, with very competent double-kick. Mike Kinneally, however,
could have stolen the show if he wasn't cool. His keyboard and
guitar playing were excellent. He had a very wry sense of humor
which I greatly appreciated. There were a lot of techs running
around stage which seemed mildly instrusive to me.
I have "all" of his solo CDs so I am fairly familiar with his
catalog. His improvisations were Zappa-like if that's a valid
term. He was very theatrical in his performances doing all the
zany guitar stunts like playing with his tongue, behind his
back, between his legs, one-handed as if he were dancing with
his guitar, etc.
Overall, Steve was excellent. His ego was less than I anticipated,
but still too big for me. Don't ask me how I measure ego size
from a concert seat, it's obviously entirely subjective. I suppose
he justifies his ego with his playing. Oh yeah, I almost forgot...
It was Halloween eve so the band came out wearing these silly
looking masks, it was kinda cheesy, but somehow cool nonetheless.
Eric Johnson came out next with these faggoty-(I know that's not
politically correct and I don't care. keep flames private)-looking
black and orange checked pants. I guess that was his Halloween
costume. His drummer had this very minimal kit, maybe 10 pieces.
Roscoe and Steve were his bassist and keyboardist like usual.
He had a strat with two crappy-looking amps from which he coaxed
the most amazing tones. Unlike the other two, he did not switch
guitars all night, he did not have a bunch of techs keeping him
"perfect", he did not perform in the whammy bar olympics. In short,
he was clearly the best performer of the night, despite seeming
slightly out of place. His left hand was inhumanly fast and precise.
He added improvisations to all his old songs that were simply
astonishing. His set was noticably devoid of vocals (one song I
think).
Roscoe and Steve were both cool. They stayed in the background
the entire show, seemingly in awe of Eric although they've
known him for years. The drummer was a new guy; I didn't catch his
name. Somehow, he was the best drummer of the night despite his
stupid little drum kit that only had one bass drum. Drum freaks
must go the concert just to check out this guy.
I expected Eric to be the most subdued player of the night. I did
not expect him to be the best technically, which he was (in my
opinion again in case you forgot I said that 3000 words ago). I
was surprised by the number of people I heard on the way out
dissing him.
Eric's set was noticably quieter than the other two. I'm guessing
he has hearing problems, since he wore headphones in the finale
jam.
Satch came out next and played his "greatest" hits set. He was
cool, his band was cool. He was clearly the big name of this
show. He actually walked off stage and let Stu have a solo, a
remarkably self-less act at a guitarist show. Stu's solo rocked
as I expected it to (buy The Urge). I think he really wants to
be a lead guitarist.
My only complaint was that there were guitar lines played that
were definitely not coming from Joe. You could see his tech
at stage right "tuning" his guitars. I think he was actually
playing some rhythm and fills. He showed himself to be a
competent player during the stage set up. I think Joe should
have just let him come out and play, if that's what he was
doing. Even Vai's ego didn't prevent him from allowing Mike
to play.
Satch was definitely the most "entertaining" of the three
because his material seemed so familiar to everyone. I don't
remember him playing a single song off his latest album,
except for "down, down, down" in the finale. I guess he forgot
to bring along Glyn Johns and all his grunge equipment, thank
goodness.
The final part of the concert when all three played together
was somewhat boring. Eric seemed like the only who seemed interested
in not playing lead. He actually attempted to play rhythm and harmony
parts. Joe and Steve only doubled/tripled the leads and did
volume swells with their whammy bars. The vocals were impossible
to hear. Mike Kinneally was cool again, walking out and doing vocals
with Steve in his pajamas.
Overall my summary is this:
Steve - fiery, energetic, wild, and inventive.
Eric - just watch his fret work, unbelievable.
Joe - Cool and groovy. Most entertaining.
Joe Kruger
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Date: 12 Nov 1996 18:25:36 -0700
From: Michael Kasher <Michael.Kasher@aexp.com>
To: "ytsejam %ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> (Return requested)
<anyone remember Cacophony and racer-X??? does any one have the tabs to
altitudes
<by Jason Baker? I always wanted to play this one.
Isn't Racer-X Paul Gilbert's old band? A friend of mine turned me onto them
and Talas (Billy Sheehan).
Just out of curiosity, what if everyone's favorite DT....... ummm nevermind.
Seeya, Michael
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*I'm Reading and I Can't Catch Up! - Michael Kasher *
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 19:54:22 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Jeff Beck
Message-ID: <32892a4e4091041@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> Sorry but Jeff Beck truly started (and ruled long before Satch) most of
> the stuff Satch is doing
Actually, if you compare Beck to his contemporaries at the time when he was
really a force in the rock world (i.e., late 60s - early 70s), you will
find that his playing, while sometimes quite good, is not very original -
he plays a combo of Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton -type style, and it is
often a pale imitation. He was endlessly compared to both of these players
in his heyday, and for obvious reasons - it was a case of "can he outdo the
people that he got his stuff from?". His was the kind of mentality that
formed a band as an excuse for him to put solos on records, most of which
did not fit with the songs and weren't very interesting anyway (in my
opinion). This is why he is obscure today - he could never keep anything
together for long because he is an asshole (the opinion of people who know
him, as stated in interviews with countless former bandmates and
acquaintences), and his playing couldn't justify itself as something to
listen to instead of Clapton, Zeppelin, Sabbath, etc.
On another note, I would definitely question your assertion that Satch
plays in the style of Beck. What that statement really says is that Satch
was influenced by Clapton and Page, and to my ears those influences,
especially Page, are much more pronounced than that of Beck.
On the subject of prog bands: for my money, one of the best - along with
DT, of course! ;) - is Led Zeppelin. Now, before any of you start ranting
about cock-rock, etc., listen to their last 2 albums (Presence and In
Through the Out Door) - especially the songs "Achilles Last Stand" (which
I'm sure many of you are familiar with from Change of Seasons) and "In the
Light" - and you'll see why I say that. They had definitely moved away from
the "Whole Lotta Love"/"Stairway to Heaven" era that people always think
represents Zep in a nutshell.
-Brian Hayden
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:11:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Satch vs EJohnson
Message-ID: <199611130211.SAA01374@acme.csusb.edu>
I don't think either of th guys arguing about Satch and Johnson even know
what they're arguing about. It's obvious to anyone that Satch's style is
more dependent on tremolo-bar manipulation, legato runs, heavy distortion
and digital effects. (not to mention ionean and aeolian modes, not
pentatonic), whereas Johnson's style revolves around the use of stock tube
amps, lack of digital stuff, alternate-picked and staccato lines, and
heavy use of major pentatonic scales, mixolydian, lydian and dorian modes,
and massive amounts of melodic content. Satch does indeed jam well. He
is the epitome of the jamming rock guitarist. He improvises, using his
extensive vocabulary of bells, whistles and various sfx from the
looneytunes library.
Johnson is a thinking guitarist. Before he plays a single note, he
analyses what chord that note will be played over, and the consquent. He
is extremely melodic... I can't stress that enough. His songs have
definite motifs, separate from the riff of the song, that are
unapproachable by anything that Satriani has released on a CD.
Once again:
Johnson-- melody, motif, BLUES, pentatonics.
Satch-- jammer, no motif, rock, pentatonics are NOT common.
--This is after sitting down and listening to surfing with the alien,
tones, flying in a blue dream, ah via musicom, the extremist, and venus
isle. In that order, from start to finish.
I have endless respect for both artists, and I would like to add that EJ
even made a helluva impression on BB King on a blues special. That's
pretty good credentials as far as I'm concerned.
--ProgRockBoy
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