YTSEJAM Digest 2018
Today's Topics:
1) LATM jap vs euro
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) Bootlegs
by Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com>
3) Re: Bootlegging 101
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
4) Re: ***DTC*** DT bootleg with GC?? ***DTC -- DTC -- DTC***
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
5) Re: good luck (fwd)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
6) bootleg drum solos
by Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
7) Re: good luck (fwd)
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
8) 2112?
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
9) boots and stuff
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2017
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
11) Re: LATM jap vs euro
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) ?
by David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
13) liner notes
by Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
14) Re: ?
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) A favor
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
16) Really cool stuff (for me, anyway)
by shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
17) counting 'jammers
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2017
by "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
19) Re: good luck (fwd)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
20) Re: Several Odd Musings
by eric hansen <ehansen@apu.edu>
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:23:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LATM jap vs euro
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961112102200.13171D-100000@bdmserver>
Wilmo asked about the difference in the booklets for LATM between the
Japanses and European versions and of course the Japanese booklet is
different. There is a page of stuff written in Japanese. anyone ever
translate this yet?
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: 12 Nov 96 10:50:46 ES
From: Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bootlegs
Message-ID: <9611121556.AA10995@smtp.discovery.com>
I don't get it. Bootleg recordings are not competing in any way with major
label releases. The record companies do not loose any money whatsoever ! Did
anyone NOT buy the DT live video because they already some bootleg.....of
course not Etc...Etc..Etc.... If anything, they strengthen the fan base. The
people that buy bootlegs will go out of their way to support the band. If DT
had a million fans like us, East West records would make BILLIONS and would not
LOOSE a cent !!
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:03:48 -0700 (MST)
From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bootlegging 101
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961112085857.19588A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
When you buy bootleg CDs, you're paying a lot of $$$ ($50 for a double CD)
Next time you find a store that sells bootlegs. You'll find bands like
DT, Metallica, VH, a lot of bands that do not allow taping at shows. So,
a lot of the recording is done on a "stealth mission". You probably won't
find bootlegs by Phish, though, because they sell "taper tickets" at their
shows and allow taping. It's not a secret at their shows. Hence, finding
a Phish bootleg (for instance) is not hard to do on the internet, and
nobody SELLS them. What's my point? If DT doesn't want people selling
bootlegs, maybe they should just allow tapers into the show. It would
produce a much better recording of their shows, and you wouldn't find so
many CDs in the stores with ridiculous price tags on them. Just my
opinion.
-Adam
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:10:29 -0700 (MST)
From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: ***DTC*** DT bootleg with GC?? ***DTC -- DTC -- DTC***
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961112090822.19588B-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
I have a video from the Warfield in San Francisco in June 1993 and GC came
out on stage to sing backups on TTT. Also at that show, Mike Portnoy came
out and moshed around the stage during GC's set before stage diving right
over my head. I also met him that evening in the lobby just after they
opened the door ;) Ahh, what a night.
-adam
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:59:08 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: good luck (fwd)
Message-ID: <199611121659.JAA55400@nevis.u.arizona.edu>
Excuse me, but can we please be spared the chain letters? This kind of
mindless bullshit has absolutely nothing to do with the band the list is
associated with or music in general, and is just a complete waste of time
and effort.
~Vince
At 05:36 AM 11/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>>>>> > > GOOD LUCK TOTEM
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > \\\|||///
>>>>>> > > =========
>>>>>> > > | O O |
>>>>>> > > \v_'/
>>>>>> > > # _| |_
>>>>>> > > (#) ( )
>>>>>> > > #\//|* *|\\
>>>>>> > > #\/( * )/
>>>>>> > > # =====
>>>>>> > > # (\ /)
>>>>>> > > # || ||
>>>>>> > > .#---'| |----.
>>>>>> > > #----' -----'
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >This message has been sent to you for good luck. The original is
>>>>>> > >in New England. It has been sent around the world nine times.
>>>>>> > >The luck has now been sent to you. You will receive good luck
>>>>>> > >within four days of receiving this message -- provided you, in
>>>>>> > >turn, send it on. This is no joke. You will receive good luck
>>>>>> > >in the mail -- but no money.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >Send copies to people you think need good luck. Don't send money
>>>>>> > >as fate has no price. Do not keep this message.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >This message must leave your hands in 96 hours. Please send ten
>>>>>> > >copies and see what happens in four days. The chain comes from
>>>>>> > >United States and was written by Diana Li, a missionary from
>>>>>> > >Asia. Since the copy must tour the world, you must make
>>>>>> > ten
>>>>>> > >copies and send them to friends and associates. After a few
>>>>>> > >days, you will get a surprise. This is true, even if you are
>>>>>> > >not superstitious.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >Good luck, but please remember: 10 copies of this message must
>>>>>> > >leave your hands in 96 hours... You must not sign on this message.
>>>>>> > >You may not send this back to the person who sent it to you.
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:06:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: bootleg drum solos
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.961112110518.27255B-100000@eehpx6.cen.uiuc.edu>
sorry, but i havent listened to any dt bootlegs that i have for a while.
the awake boots also have drum solos during caught in a web. well, just
about any of dt's boots will have a drum solo for who ever wanted to
know. later.
Ed
Chat with: talk polzin@isr1165.urh.uiuc.edu
WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
BOOTLEGS: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/boots.htm
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- has a light side, and it holds the Universe together. -
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:58:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: good luck (fwd)
Message-ID: <199611121858.NAA15275@beasley.cris.com>
Oh D-Man? Interested in using your new mail-bomb program? Anyone else?
-----------------> rjohnson@cole.sinclair.edu <--------------------
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:12:08 -0700
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 2112?
Message-ID: <s2886be3.006@IOMEGA.COM>
Hey all,
So when do you think we'll hit #2112? At the present rate, I think
we'll hit it about mid December. I'm not after a poll or anything, it
was just a thought. Anyone have an idea when TNMS will hit 2112? Way
after we do, I know that. This should piss them off. But hey, if they
would only clutter their list with meaningless bullshit then they too
could reach it sooner :> And I'm a fine one to talk....
Wilmo
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:28:38 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: boots and stuff
Message-ID: <199611121927.NAA15892@Walden.MO.NET>
First off, I want to thank Mike Bahr for posting that stuff about
bottlegging laws. I have always wondered about the exact nature of
the laws surrounding copywrights and stuff, and that seemed to clear
it up some for me (not to mention some of the other discussion on the
topic). This is a thread that I have found particularly interesting
and informative. Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:29:26 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2017
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961112142642.221700B-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> Anyway--my point. I am looking for a PC program that I could use to
> record my guitar and some other things on. I don't mean some little crappy
> one like Wave Studio. I mean something that basically turns the PC into a 8
> or 16 track mixer/recorder. If anyone out there knows of one that would be
> of use to me, please let me know. Thank you.
I'd like to know too.
Oh yeah, does anyone have a decent copy of Raise the Knife? I'd
> love to get my hands on this one somehow. Thanks again.
^>
Isn't that going to be on Mike Bahr's "Precious Things?"
Richie
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:56:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LATM jap vs euro
Message-ID: <199611121956.PAA23825@mail.caribe.net>
At 07:49 AM 11/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Wilmo asked about the difference in the booklets for LATM between the
>Japanses and European versions and of course the Japanese booklet is
>different. There is a page of stuff written in Japanese. anyone ever
>translate this yet?
>
Ive never seen the Jap Latm..but a wild guess is that it says all that
stuff about what DT's concept of a real band is ..all those things... like
"having no real day jobs' or soemthing or other.. that is on the other latm
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend
Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:48:41 -0600
From: David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ?
Message-ID: <3288D499.3D6B@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Did anyone get the new Blind Melon cd that came out today?
David
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:54:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: liner notes
Message-ID: <199611121954.OAA13820@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
>
> I picked up FW Parallels. I like it so far. I seem to remember a song called
> Through Other Eyes or something that I saw on MTV. What record is that from?
> Is it good also? I was reading the liner notes and notices DT spelled Dream
> Theatre! Sort of ironic!
This is why the liner notes in Images and Words reads:
"All our friends in the following bands: ... Fatez Warning (Jus'kidding!!)"
Dream Theater's revenge i guess.
different note: can anyone tell me what the story is with Magellan?
-matt
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:09:15 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ?
Message-ID: <3288E77B.73E0@caribe.net>
David Alderman wrote:
>
> Did anyone get the new Blind Melon cd that came out today?
>
> David
Um..are you serious?? :) personally i wouldnt buy ANY blind lemon cd
after all the ignorant shit they said about John Petrucci,dream theater
and the progressive music in general...
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:38:20 -0500
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A favor
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961112203820.0068aecc@ee.net>
NO DTC:
I need to ask you all a favor. I've developed a web site for a musical
instrument retail outfit, and we're getting a slow start. They seem to
think it may be my fault that they aren't getting 1,000 hits a day yet :)
I need more traffic, so if you could stop by and visit, and leave them an email
regarding the site it would be much appreciated. I'd also be interested in a
possible link exchange with those of you who have web sites. Here is the URL:
thanks folks,
Dave Hatlee
(buster)
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:18:08 -0600
From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Really cool stuff (for me, anyway)
Message-ID: <v01530500aeae98fdaa10@[206.104.9.26]>
I just wanted to let all of you know that last night my band, Room 213, got
airplay on the radio show Texas Trax on KISS FM here in San Antonio. We
just gave them our DAT like last thursday or friday, and they played it on
Monday! The whole band is really psyched. Did any of you SA-area jammers
catch it? It's called Firefly. We're not exactly progressive, but
definately more complex than the average grunge or alternative band.
Thanx for listening to the ravings of a crazed fiend!
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:31:34 -0500 (EST)
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: counting 'jammers
Message-ID: <199611122131.QAA28792@zork.tiac.net>
>
>1 .....
<clip>
>12
>13
>14
>
>OK, we got everyone, lets go :)
>
>Skadz
>
>PS - this is an amazingly inside joke, but i am hyper, so deal :P
Cool, now I feel special because I'm part of the inside Rush concert ytsejam
joke. Whoopie!
>
>I picked up FW Parallels. I like it so far. I seem to remember a song called
>Through Other Eyes or something that I saw on MTV. What record is that from?
>Is it good also? I was reading the liner notes and notices DT spelled Dream
>Theatre! Sort of ironic!
That song would be "Through Different Eyes". It's on the 1989 release (the
one before Parallels) Perfect Symmetry. They have this thing with geometry,
so don't ask me :)
It's more DT'ish than Parallels I would say, especially the song "At Fates
Hands". Lots of time changes, great drumming, extremely high vocals....all
the trademark good stuff that we jammers like (sorry to make the
generalization for all you who don't like that).
and even though I didn't want to get into this...
>
>>
>> No offense or anything, but Johnson is leagues ahead of Satriani and
>> sometimes even Vai when it comes to advanced guitar soloing. Satch is great
>> and all, but it's mostly pentatonic and tapping tricks. That
>
>no offence or anything, but Johnson is not even in the same league
>as Satch, so I feel that a comparison is unfair to both.
>Furthermore, I seriously doubt,
>even considering my limited theoretical knowledge,
>that Joe's repetoire is as limited as you imply.
>And even if it were, my admiration for the man would only increase,
>because all of his solos sound fresh and unique to my ears.
>(if he could do all that with a limited pallette,
>just think what he might do with a few lessons!)
>and lastly, I find Satch to be vastly superior in innovation,
>taste, and skill to Vai. (although Vai is admittedly quite good.)
>Seeing them at G3 recently reinforced these opinions.
>
Ok well first I need to ask you what your knowledge of fretboard theory and
experience with the guitar is. Have you ever examined each of these players
styles? I haven't gone in depth, but judging by my ear and my limited but
sufficient theoretical knowledge I truly find Johnson to be the "best"
player of the 3. I know, I shouldn't say best because you're going to say,
"don't compare! they're both great! it's not fair to compare!". But there
are things that make one player better. Listen to the solos in Camel's Night
Out compared with Satch Boogie for example. Or if you're going to say, "Well
this solo by Satch is better!!", fine, listen to any Satch solo. You will
find repetitious licks and phrasing mostly based on pentatonics. While
rocking, he rarely constructs melody in his solos. Flying in a Blue Dream is
a great song. But listen what happens after the verse and chorus melodies
are playing, he just goes off in his own direction and it adds nothing to
the song. This is where Johnson is different, he will incorporate the
melodic idea of the song into the solos and bend and twist the ideas. You
can never get sick of his solos, the solo at the end of Pavillion is my
favorite example of this as well as Cliffs of Dover obviously. Much of this
is due to EJ's use of appregios and guide tones within the phrasing. When
used diatonically they fit along with the progression, but he'll also stick
some non-diatonic stuff (Camel's Night Out) to spice things up in the solo.
>This opinion was formed watching the final jam at the G3 concert.
>Vai would come in on these blues songs and play his typical shred solos,
>sounding typically of Vai and nothing of the blues.
>then Johnson would come on and play incredible runs --
>but almost no melody whatsoever.
You must have him confused with someone else, he easily blew the other guys
off the stage.
>And Joe would play the blues. (yes, probably in a minor pentatonic.)
>
Maybe my problem is I find the blues boring most of the time...
>the morel of this forest is:
>if you are a jazz player, as I feel Johnson truly is at heart,
>don't try to cater to what you think a shred audience wants.
>the next time I see him, it will be only if he headlines,
>so he can do what he wants, in his own setting.
>
In Johnson's instructional video he talks about how his playing is a mix of
these players...
Jimi Hendrix, Steve Ray Vaughn, Wes Montgomery, Jeff Beck, and uh...some
other guy. The only jazz I see there is Wes Montgomery. Johnson is from
texas and has a lot of that in his roots, so don't pigeonhole him as a jazz
player.
>but Satch still does, and always will, rule.
Sorry but Jeff Beck truly started (and ruled long before Satch) most of the
stuff Satch is doing. Check out Blow by Blow to hear this...
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:39:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2017
Message-ID: <199611122139.QAA03179@colossus.csl.mtu.edu>
> All these posts about 80's metal started me reminiscing about my guitar heros
> from the 80's. Not including the obvious, like EVH, here are a few:
> Akira Takasaki - Loudness
> Warren DeMartini - Ratt
> Adrian Vandenberg - Vandenberg
> Randy Rhoads - Ozzy
>
anyone remember Cacophony and racer-X??? does any one have the tabs to altitudes
by Jason Baker? I always wanted to play this one.
my all time five " will Play" (it's like I can't play them yet but someday) list:
1. Altitudes : J Baker
2. Conversations : S. Grappelly <sp?> & L. Subramaniam
3. juice: S. Vai
4. Metropolice 1: ha ha!!!
5. the solo to practice what you preach: Testament
of course there are other tits and bits but may be some other time:)
to that thing about Ibanez:
i think what I heard was Ibanez was producing better custom made stuff
at a lower price then the other manufactueres when the 80's guitar thing
boomed. so a lot of people went for Ibanez. and unfortunately thus came the
vibe of " if you're playing an Ibanez then you're a shredder". one
of my friends asked me, if all the les paus guys are sloppy piece of shits.
I played the ozzy tribute to him.
IMHO all true musicians pick up their instruments according to the need and
requirements of the stuff they are trying to produce.
I wanted to say something about the theory thread but I guess I wont :)
last of all, one more request, can someone tape me wdatu 'cuz I don't
think i want to spend 30 bucks right now (sorry mike) . please e-mail me
personally.
and Pleeeeeeaaaaaaaasee, let us know where to send the mail for the new dt
double cd.
Minhaz
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:44:00 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: good luck (fwd)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961112214400.006c192c@mail.inlink.com>
ah, and i have a little totem for who posted this:
> >>>>>> \\\|||///
> >>>>>> =======
> >>>>>> | O O |
> >>>>>> \ \v_'/
> >>>>>> | _| |_
> >>>>>> (|) ( )
> >>>>>> \//|* *|\\
> >>>>>> \/( * )/
> >>>>>> =====
> >>>>>> (\|/)
> >>>>>> || ||
> >>>>>> .--'| |---.
> >>>>>> '----'----'
:)
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:54:46 -0800
From: eric hansen <ehansen@apu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Several Odd Musings
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961112215446.00681ab0@apu.edu>
>Date: 11 Nov 1996 22:45:00 -0700
>From: Michael Kasher <Michael.Kasher@aexp.com>
>To: "ytsejam %ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> (Return requested)
>Subject: Several Odd Musings
>
>I have Savatage's HOTMK and GB. I bought them to hear Criss Oliva. How does
>the new stuff compare to this style?
If you don't have "Handfull of Rain" you should get it, as well as
the one prior to it (title ??). It is dedicated to Chris. Did he die? It
is a little more artsy than the other two mentioned, and a lot more musical,
they do a few more Dream Theater-esque time changes and the like. But the
sound is definitely 'Tage.
----------------------------
Eric B. Hansen
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