YTSEJAM Digest 2021
Today's Topics:
1) DT Discography - Part 2
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) hard disk recorder
by Rajkai Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
3) CiAW drum solo sample
by Rajkai Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
4) after@all - Hungarian progressive metal band.
by Balla Gabor <qgerobag@gold.uni-miskolc.hu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2019
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
6) I knew this would happen
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
7) Re: CiAW drum solo sample
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
8) Portnoy's background
by svjohnson@amoco.com
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2020
by rwarren@memphisonline.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2020
by Santiago Leon <sleon@mail.vt.edu>
11) Y T S E ????
by Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com>
12) LATM jap X eur
by vanzin@dks.com.br
13) Mike Portnoy (and Ayn Rand ... again)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
14) Some people say a man is made out of mud....
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
15) New Fish
by Mark Tiplady <post@itchy.demon.co.uk>
16) Zappa
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 01:56:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Ytsejam Digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT Discography - Part 2
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.961113015430.11005B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
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Dream Theater DISCOGRAPHY
Maintained by the FAQ folks - email mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu for more info.
**NOTE**
E-mail mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu if you have info on new official releases
and I will add them to this document.
Last Update: 11/13/96
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LEGEND:
LP - Record
CT - Cassette
CD - 5" Compact Disc
C3 - 3" Compact Disc
CS - Cassette Single
2CD - Double CD set
V - VHS Video
SV - S-Video
LD - Laserdisc
DCC - Pioneer Digital Compact Cassette
MD - Sony Minidisc
Awake, 1994, Eastwest Records/Atlantic (USA)
90126-2/ PRCD 5831-2 (Promo Version)
**Note** Scarred is omitted from cassette
Band members same as for Images And Words
1. 6:00 5:31
2. Caught In A Web 5:28
3. Innocence Faded 5:43
4. A Mind Beside Itself 20:26
I. Erotomania 6:45
II. Voices 9:53
III. The Silent Man 3:48
5. The Mirror 6:45
6. Lie 6:34
7. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 6:05
8. Scarred 11:00
9. Space Dye Vest 7:29
Awake, 1994, (Japan)
AMCY-750
**Note** Two variations exist, catalog # is the same for both.
The only way to tell the difference is to view the paper
slip that comes with the release. The one that is limited
edition has blue dot on the paper slip and the back of the
slip has a track listing with Eve listed below SDV. The
3 inch Eve single (AMCY-750S) is included with the limited
edition release.
Song listing is the same as the USA Awake
Lie, 1994, Eastwest Records/Atlantic Promotional (USA)
PRCD 5807-2 (Digipak)
CD Single
1. Lie (edit) 5:02
Lie, 1994, Eastwest Records/Atlantic (UK)
7567-95835-2
CD Single
1. Lie (edit) 5:00
2. Space-Dye Vest 7:28
3. To Live Forever 4:54
4. Another Day (live) 4:43
(recorded at the Marquee in London)
Caught In A Web, 1994, Eastwest Records/Atlantic Promotional
PRCD 5965 (picture sleeve), 5966 (no picture sleeve)
CD Single
1. Caught In a Web (edit) 5:02
2. Caught In a Web (LP version) 5:28
(Eastwest records logo on back and cover, DT logo on
CD and back cover)
The Silent Man, 1995, Eastwest Records/Atlantic Promotional
PRCD 9117-2 (picture sleeve)
CD Single
1. The Silent Man (LP version) 3:48
The Silent Man, 1995, Eastwest Records/Atlantic (Germany)
7567-95812-2
CD Single
1. The Silent Man (LP version) 3:48
2. Take the Time (Demo version) 7:58
3. Eve (studio version) 5:11
A Change of Seasons, 1995, EastWest Records/Atlantic (USA)
61842-2
Band Members:
Keyboards: Derek Sherinian
Otherwise same as Awake
(Japanese version has a slip that can be
submitted to the record company. The first
500 receive a CD single with Tears (Rush)
from the UK Uncovered Gig)
1. A Change of Seasons 23:06
I. The Crimson Sunrise
II. Innocence
III. Carpe Diem
IV. The Darkest of Winters
V. Another World
VI. The Inevitable Summer
VII. The Crimson Sunset
2. Elton John Medley 10:49
I. Funeral For a Friend
II. Love Lies Bleeding
3. Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple) 5:33
4. Led Zeppelin Medley 7:28
I. The Rover
II. Achilles Last Stand
III. The Song Remains the Same
5. The Big Medley 10:34
I. In the Flesh? (Pink Floyd)
II. Carry On Wayward Son (Kansas)
III. Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen)
IV. Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin (Journey)
V. Cruise Control (Dixie Dregs)
VI. Turn It On Again (Genesis)
END
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:24:27 +0100 (MET)
From: Rajkai Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: hard disk recorder
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961113102355.6475B-100000@speed.eik.bme.hu>
> Anyway--my point. I am looking for a PC program that I could use to
> record my guitar and some other things on. I don't mean some little crappy
> one like Wave Studio. I mean something that basically turns the PC into a 8
> or 16 track mixer/recorder. If anyone out there knows of one that would be
> of use to me, please let me know. Thank you.
> I'd like to know too.
I've heard a few good comments about an almost 'hard disk recorder':
Samplitude. Anyway, I don't have that but I have Cakewalk Audio 4.0
and I like it cuz it's not just about recording audio tracks, but
the MIDI sequencer part is also great. If you need it I can upload
to an ftp site or send in e-mail (hey, it's illegal but who cares).
The number of the recordable tracks depends on your processor, memory
and soundcard (I have a GUS so I can't record and playback at the same
time since GUS is not a full duplex card).
Bye,
Mr. Bungle
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:25:13 +0100 (MET)
From: Rajkai Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CiAW drum solo sample
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961113102444.6475C-100000@speed.eik.bme.hu>
Somebody told me, that the sample from CiAW drum solo from Mind Control
(Heardadrummagetwhicked) is from Public Enemy's Bring The Noise. It was
a long time finding a lamer who has a Public NME cd that has BTN but
there is not even a similar sample on the whole shit cd. Fuck! Could
you explain there is a maxi cd or something?? Ok, my friend has the
PE/Anthrax version, and there it is, but I can't sample from there
since there is a drum track behind... If you know where can I get
the clean sample, it would be great to let me know finally. The
perfect thing would be if you do the sampling and send me the wav. :)
Mr. Bungle
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:06:18 +0000 (CET)
From: Balla Gabor <qgerobag@gold.uni-miskolc.hu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: after@all - Hungarian progressive metal band.
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961113085656.53759A-100000@gold.uni-miskolc.hu>
Hi jammers!
We are after@all a hungarian progressive metal band. We made our first
promotion stuff last week.
Our music is close to Dream Theater in philosophy ( but this wasn't told
by us ). In concerts we plays songs form Dream Theater, Rush, Queensryche.
DT: Pull Me Under
Silent Man
Surrounded
Rush: Stick It Out
QR: Revolution Calling
Our first promo is called: To MAny, Peace is
Songs are:: 1. Too Many Peaces
2. Latido Del Corazon - Parte Dos
3. Has Become My Life
4. Baybreak ...
5. ... In Beyrouth
6. Latido Del corazon - Parte Uno
If you'd like to buy one ($5) please contact us on the following
e-mails:
afterall@ursus.bke.hu
anselmo@ursus.bke.hu
qbkafter@gold.uni-miskolc.hu
qgerobag@gold.nui-miskolc.hu
We'll have our homepage from abbout nov.25:
http://gold.uni-miskolc.hu:8080/~qbkafter
Bye Jammers
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:03:35 -0500 (EST)
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2019
Message-ID: <199611131203.HAA16211@zork.tiac.net>
>
>He could have played for three hours and I don't think I would have
>minded. Does he have any solo albums out that consist of just him and his
>pre-CBS orthopedic scapula? Man was that stuff ear candy. Soothing and
>energetic at the same time. The changeover from his set to Vai's was about
>two minutes since all they had to do was remove the chair and Legg's
>effects boxes from the center of the stage.
>
>
>Bafu
>
I have his first solo album and it's great. It has two songs from his
setlist on the G3 tour, including the "tuning knob" song, although he does
it all over the album. It's all fingerstyle and varies between folk, that
medieval stuff, and some good blues boogie. I strongly reccomend it.
Adam Cook acook@tiac.net visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard
hat construction area!)
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:19:53 -0500 (EST)
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I knew this would happen
Message-ID: <199611131219.HAA16541@zork.tiac.net>
This is what I said 2 days ago...
>> I haven't gone in depth, but judging by my ear and my limited but
sufficient theoretical knowledge I truly find Johnson to be the "best"
player of the 3. I know, I shouldn't say best because you're going to say,
"don't compare! they're both great! it's not fair to compare!". But there
are things that make one player better...
And this is what happened...
>
>Not a flame, but this is totally a silly thing to say. Each of these
>players has his own style... fuck! These three players are responsible for
>starting THOUSANDS of guitarists, and are three of the most copied players
>in the world. I would NEVER dare to say Satch is mostly Pentatonic in
>comparison with EJ. I mean... I've done a lot of EJ licks (from his videos)
>and they're almost ALL pentatonic... whereas Satch plays mostly in lydian.
>Eric doesn't do much tapping, no, but to say that the fact that Satch and
>Vai DO tap puts them behind is also sorta... weird. Eric excels in
>alternate picking. Satch excels in legato, groove and melody... Vai does all
>of this and more... but they are at the core equals. They can all do lots
>of things the others can't.
>
Do I know the jam well or what? :)
Anyways, I don't want to continue on with this so I'll end on this
note...Yes they're all great, I've already said that when we started this
discussion. But no, I do not feel threatened by them since they're so
successful that it's unfair to compare them. I'm sure there are better
players out there anyways, these 3 are just the most successful and got the
most media hype over the past 10 years. If these were 3 street musicians who
were completely unsuccessful (unlikely) and you walked by wouldn't you
compare them?
Adam Cook acook@tiac.net visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard
hat construction area!)
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:19:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Rajkai Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
Subject: Re: CiAW drum solo sample
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961113071904.23103A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Somebody told me, that the sample from CiAW drum solo from Mind Control
> (Heardadrummagetwhicked) is from Public Enemy's Bring The Noise. It was
> a long time finding a lamer who has a Public NME cd that has BTN but
> there is not even a similar sample on the whole shit cd. Fuck! Could
> you explain there is a maxi cd or something?? Ok, my friend has the
> PE/Anthrax version, and there it is, but I can't sample from there
> since there is a drum track behind... If you know where can I get
> the clean sample, it would be great to let me know finally. The
> perfect thing would be if you do the sampling and send me the wav. :)
On the Pe/Anthrax version (which i think is on the public enemy
album) has it, as far as i know.
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 07:58:50 -0600
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Portnoy's background
Message-ID: <199611131359.AA15417@interlock.amoco.com>
>mike's russian?? ive always thought of portnoy being a greek name
>...and he sorta looks kinda greek..like when he has his beard he
>looks like Jesus..eheh ...
I thought Michael was of Jewish faith and I have yet to meet a Greek
Jew. Then again, I haven't interviewed every Greek person on this
earth. Heck, a couple of my good friends are South African Jews. I
NEVER would have guessed that group existed! Apparently there are
about 60,000. I didn't know Derek was Armenian. Cool diversity!
Quickly, five CDs that have dominated over the last two days have been
Warrant (Cherry Pie), Tesla (Mehcanical Resonance), Metallica (And
Justice...), Ratt (Ratt & Roll).......ahhhhh, nostalgia!
Steve
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:59:51 -0600
From: rwarren@memphisonline.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2020
Message-ID: <3.0b33.32.19961113075859.006b6da0@memphisonline.com>
>I'm told Rush is paid for WM royalties. As far as bars go.... that's news
>to me. I hope you're not implying that bars pay a certain amount for each
>cover that's played there.
No. I am not really implying that the bars pay a certain amount for each
cover played. I believe they pay a flat rate to allow bands to play covers
in their club.
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:18:28 -0500
From: Santiago Leon <sleon@mail.vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2020
Message-ID: <3289D8B4.7B6D@mail.vt.edu>
I can't believe what these guys are saying about satch!...
Its obvious those who critizice him dont know the meaning of the word
FEELING... I saw G3 in DC (from second row), he speaks with his guitar,
always getting the perfect tone... I liked him more than johnson or
vai...
pentatonic???... ok, his fastest licks are pentatonic, but the solos are
mostly lydian...
just my opinion...
-- ************************ * Santiago A. Lesn * * sleon@mail.vt.edu * ************************------------------------------
Date: 13 Nov 96 9:09:32 ES From: Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Y T S E ???? Message-ID: <9611131410.AA01041@smtp.discovery.com>
Can anyone tell me what " YTSE" actually is ??? ( yes, I know it's a track off WDADU........what else ?? )
Thanks ! CTotten@Discovery.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:39:54 -0300 From: vanzin@dks.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LATM jap X eur Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.11.13.15.39.54.2579404677.443299@dks.com.br>
Jammerz,
--------------- From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> Subject: Re: LATM jap vs euro
>Wilmo asked about the difference in the booklets for LATM between the >Japanses and European versions and of course the Japanese booklet is >different. There is a page of stuff written in Japanese. anyone ever >translate this yet? > Ive never seen the Jap Latm..but a wild guess is that it says all that stuff about what DT's concept of a real band is ..all those things... like "having no real day jobs' or soemthing or other.. that is on the other latm -----------------
I have the european (made in Germany) one and it says that stuff. If anyone hasn't still read their concept of a real band, there it goes: 1 - An album 2 - No day jobs 3 - A video 4 - A tour bus 5 - "Oh, I think they're touring Europe now"
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sao Paulo - Brazil vanzin@dks.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
DarkStar Multimidia BBs Telnet: dks.com.br Fone +55 011 870-1888 Internet, Gameconection, Games, ShareWare
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:34:56 -0500 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Portnoy (and Ayn Rand ... again) Message-ID: <v01540b00aeafb52a17ff@[128.197.8.27]>
>Mike doing well in Russian (for that's who he is, ain't he)? >>Been willing to know about it for a while now... :-) >> > mike's russian?? ive always thought of portnoy being a greek name ...and he >sorta looks kinda greek..like when he has his beard he looks like Jesus.. >eheh ... Mike is probably of Russian descent. The reason I say this is because Ayn Rand, who was born in Russia, had American relatives (who presumably immigrated in the nineteenth century) whose last name was Portnoy. She stayed with the Portnoys when she arrived in the United States. (That was before she established herself as a novelist-philosopher and strange people like me quoted her in their signature files.) I used to wonder if Mike and Ayn Rand were related, but it was probably a pipe dream of mine. Portnoy might be a common name in Russia.
Jeff Falk Box 3208 700 Commonwealth Avenue Boston, Massachusetts 02215 (617) 352-8639 jefffalk@bu.edu
"[To the graduating class of the United States Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974:] You have chosen to risk your lives for the defense of this country. I will not insult you by saying that you are dedicated to selfless service--it is not a virtue in _my_ morality. In my morality, the defense of one's country means that a man is personally unwilling to live as the conquered slave of any enemy, foreign or domestic. _This_ is an enormous virtue." Ayn Rand, _Philosophy: Who Needs It_
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:30:41 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Some people say a man is made out of mud.... Message-ID: <199611131830.KAA15668@main.cfmc.com>
All of this Johnson vs. Satriani discussion is, actually, quite interesting to me. Some of the facts have certainly got mushed, and I may do some of that myself, but I thought I might have a little something to add to it....
First of all, we're talking about two tremendous players....arguably, the two best working today (I'D say that, anyhow -- possibly adding David Gilmour, Alex Lifeson, and John Petrucci to that mix). Any discrepancy between the two players is pretty minimal, in terms of talent....the difference seems to be mostly stylistic. And, interestingly enough, I've seen them together twice, the first time, Eric Johnson smoking Satriani, the second time (on the G3 tour), Satriani having the better night. And I've seen them both on their own, Satriani in '90 and Johnson in '92, and both shows were amazing...among the best I've ever seen.
Johnson's playing is probably a little more lyrical and melodic, on average, than Satriani's. He's got more of a country and folk influence to the charged blues-rock that's at the foundation of both of their styles. EJ uses pedal tones a lot and hops between octaves quite a bit in the context of a short lick. Uses very, very wide arpeggios. But yes, he's absolutely pentatonic. Sometimes he plays MAJOR pentatonic lines, which is relatively unusual in the blues-rock context. It's another thing that defines him. And he's a master improviser...I would say that he's on par with guys like Coltrane and Pastorius, where his ability to THINK musically, to come up with good ideas, is just amazing. And Johnson, especially on the "Venus Isle" tunes, as explored Eastern modalities to a far greater extent than he had.
Satriani is clearly more of a rock player than Johnson....and he DOES play a lot of hot-rodded blues lines. He also has a thing to exotic scales....aside from his Lydian playing, he does things like "The Enigmatic" which is based on ths use of on the Enigmatic scale. He plays Phrygian and Locrian lines, which are pretty exotic, fairly often, though perhaps not as often as someone like Marty Friedman. He's a schooled rock player, combining the appreciation of Hendrix, Clapton, and Beck with modern, wild ideas.
At any rate, both guys are awfully good players, as I said, with fairly similar backgrounds, considering that Johnson's a Southern guy and Satriani's a Bay-Area-by-way-of-Long-Island guy.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Goo Goo Dolls: A Boy Named Goo 3. King's X: King's X 4. Eric Gales Band: Eric Gales Band 5. Green River: Rehab Doll/Dry As A Bone
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:48:03 +0000 From: Mark Tiplady <post@itchy.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Fish Message-ID: <3.0b24.32.19961113184750.00684208@127.0.0.1>
>BTW Fish is releasing a new album in early 1997, Nick Barrett from >Porcupine Tree is producing and playing on the album, it should be some >incredible prog, those of you that have heard Porcupine Tree should see >the possibilities. Nick wants to return Fish to his theatrical and >artistic roots.
<Pedant mode>
I think you mean Steve Wilson - Nick Barrett is the brains behind Pendragon.
</Pedant Mode>
Mark.
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:08:35 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Zappa Message-ID: <199611131908.LAA27261@acme.csusb.edu>
> His improvisations were Zappa-like if that's a valid >term.
I believe the terms would be: Psuedo-Zappa Neo-Zappa Zappa-istic Zappa-esque
or my personal fave: NeopseudoFrankistic Zappaesque.
akkakakakakakakaka... wakka wakka wakka! that- that- that's what I think.
-ProgRockBoy
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