YTSEJAM Digest 2022
Today's Topics:
1) Mixed Bag / Bafu / Vince
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
2) FAQs, PE/Anthrax (hey, that rhymes!)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
3) Mike Mangini Vs Mike Portnoy
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
4) Vai concert
by "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
5) JS, SV, EJ vs. JP
by eric hansen <ehansen@apu.edu>
6) Fish - NEw Album
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
7) this g3 talk :)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8)
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
9)
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
10) G3, Eric Johnson
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
11)
by BlackSax@gnn.com (Onyx & Brimstone; Black Fire; Dark Passion)
12) More G3.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
13) New Magellan.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:40:55 -0500
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mixed Bag / Bafu / Vince
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961113194055.00693de4@ee.net>
First of all, a big THANK YOU to those of you who visited the Lang Music site
as a favor to me...the page (www.langmusic.com) got over 30 hits last night,
and I'm willing to bet they were all Jammers! I *really* appreciate your help.
Second I'd like to commend Bafu on the Steve Vai review. I haven't bothered
to join the petty arguements over "who was better in G3", but I must say that
Steve Vai is without a doubt my favorite, and Bafu managed to describe all
of the reasons why: He can blues, he can metal, he can whammy, he can acoustic,
he can compose, and he can definitely entertain! The man is a showman beyond
all guitar showman I've ever seen. Anyway, I had to quote
some Bafu on this one:
>One word: outrageous. Nevermind the obvious auditory aspects of his
>persona, this guy had MOOVES. And he never repeated any of them, not once.
>Moove after moove after moove. What a clown. He should release a videotape
>detailing his on-stage antics.
NO DOUBT!
>What really struck me about his style was his freedom of movement while
>playing. It was as if he would only put his hands on the guitar when he
>had to. He was so loose and free, he was a pleasure to watch.
Total control...he *is* one with the guitar :)
>Someone I spoke to at the show thought Vai "relied too heavily on the
>whammy bar," which makes little sense to me because the whammy bar is
>attached to Vai's guitar. It's a permanent fixture. Why this person didn't
This bullshit with people whining about the
whammy just makes me laugh...Vai helped me develop my whammy technique, and
there
are hundreds of guitar players out there that can't use it properly. Vai
goes beyond
using the Whammy bar properly...he turns it into another instrument and can
do things
with it that the people ragging on him can only dream about.
Next I have to commend/quote Vince:
>From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
> I'm sick to death of all these people saying bad things about
>Satch's playing. Ten to one you guys can't even come close to what he's doing.
> And about comparing him to EJ, or Vai, please! This is what they
>did the G3 tour about! They did the tour to show that there is no
>competition between the three guys. They all love and respect each other's
>music. To say that one is better than another is ludicrous IMHO. There is
>a point at which a guitarist becomes ELITE. All these three have that
>status; rightfully so. They kick ass, all three of them. Now that's
>something that really can't be argued. They're good. Real good.
AMEN VINCE! You totally have your head on straight man! It's good to have a
favorite
of the 3 (mine obviously being Vai), but they ALL kick major ass, and I bet
they can
all play much better than *most* of us on this list...but better is not the
point. The
point is they each bring a new and different aspect of approaching the
guitar, to us,
and each of them has something special that should be heard and induldged
in...and
most of all; SHARED, which is exactly what they're doing.
Peace,
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:59:39 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FAQs, PE/Anthrax (hey, that rhymes!)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9611131444.A15540-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Rajkai Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
> Subject: CiAW drum solo sample
>
> Somebody told me, that the sample from CiAW drum solo from Mind Control
> (Heardadrummagetwhicked) is from Public Enemy's Bring The Noise. It was
> a long time finding a lamer who has a Public NME cd that has BTN but
> there is not even a similar sample on the whole shit cd. Fuck! Could
> [snip]
> perfect thing would be if you do the sampling and send me the wav. :)
Chances are, you won't get people who you've called lamers to spend their
free time creating samples just to e-mail them to you. I know I won't.
----> From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> > Subject: Re: CiAW drum solo sample > > On the Pe/Anthrax version (which i think is on the public enemy > album) has it, as far as i know.
Just for the record, the version with PE and Anthrax is on Anthrax' "Attack of the Killer B's." The PE-only version is on a PE album whose title escapes me at the moment (but I have it at home and can look later, if anyone wants to know. E-mail me if so).
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> From: Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com> > Subject: Y T S E ???? > > Can anyone tell me what " YTSE" actually is ??? ( yes, I know it's a track off > WDADU........what else ?? )
read the FAQ.
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> From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) > Subject: Mike Portnoy (and Ayn Rand ... again) > > wonder if Mike and Ayn Rand were related, but it was probably a pipe dream > of mine. Portnoy might be a common name in Russia.
That would be pretty damned cool, actually. :)
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:23:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Mangini Vs Mike Portnoy Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961113141909.47633A-100000@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
Yesterday I was watching a video of Extreme live, this was a video of their last tour and Mike Mangini was with them (people who saw any G3 show knows Mike is great) and before Play With Me, Mike plays a solo, I was with a friend who is drummer, and he was really amazed of the way Mike played the drums, he said that he is very fast, that he can play like left and right handed and that he never saw anybody play like him (he is a great DT fan) he said that the only person who can play like that is Castronovo, can anyone say whats better on Mangini and whats better in Portnoy? that would be interesting...
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:54:39 PST From: "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vai concert Message-ID: <DAC97C5D62@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>
Jammers-
Anyone going to the Vai show on Monday here in Los Angeles? I'll be there, wearing my Awake shirt so say hey if yuo see me (I'll say hey back).
Glenn ^Mirror
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:58:37 -0800 From: eric hansen <ehansen@apu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JS, SV, EJ vs. JP Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961113205837.0066d0cc@apu.edu>
Enough with the G3 tour already. We all know that they are the three top players in the world, regardless of who is better. It's just personal taste. But lets keep perspective here folks. None can compare to John Petrucci :) The man is lightning. And if your going to insist on "worlds greatest guitar player" titles, what about Yngwie Malmstein??? Is that spelled right?
Eric B. Hansen
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:03:57 -0800 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fish - NEw Album Message-ID: <328A61ED.3A35@umbc.edu>
>>BTW Fish is releasing a new album in early 1997, Nick Barrett from >>Porcupine Tree is producing and playing on the album, it should be some >>incredible prog, those of you that have heard Porcupine Tree should see >>the possibilities. Nick wants to return Fish to his theatrical and >>artistic roots.
><Pedant mode>
>I think you mean Steve Wilson - Nick Barrett is the brains behind >Pendragon.
></Pedant Mode>
>Mark.
You are right Mark. I even met Steve Wilson and I still couldn't get it right. Attribute it to being pissed off that I had to split the discography. <grin>
Later,
Mike
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:31:04 -0600 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: this g3 talk :) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961113213104.006d795c@mail.inlink.com>
well, i didnt see G3 so :P to all of you! i have seen vai and satriani before, and i'm going to see johnson in about two weeks, maybe i'll come back with a little input on this one... like, they all rule alot. :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:16:29 -0600 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0007EF36@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
Can anyone tell me what " YTSE" actually is ??? ( yes, I know it's a track off WDADU........what else ?? ) >>>>>Read the DT FAQ. Before they changed their name to *Dream Theater*, they were known as *Majesty*. Now if you spell *Majesty* backwords...you get *Ytse Jam*, I don't believe *ytse* has any other intrinsic meaning.
Phish is dead; Long live FISH
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:08:08 -0600 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0007EF34@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>mike's russian?? ive always thought of portnoy being a greek name >...and he sorta looks kinda greek..like when he has his beard he >looks like Jesus..eheh ...
>>>>>Jesus was Hebrew, not Greek
I thought Michael was of Jewish faith and I have yet to meet a Greek Jew >>>>>Try reading the Bible, New Testament, Acts, Paul's Letters. Also a *Jew* may be an ethnic *Jew* (ethnicity) and/or a practicing *Jew* (religious belief). The terms are neither totally inclusive nor exclusive. Also, there are a lot of Russians who are also Jewish; many of these, as you might recall, have migrated back to Israel.
I didn't know Derek was Armenian. >>>>> Sherinian: obviously you didn't/don't live where Armenians comprise a significant proportion of the local population. While not always true, a very large percentage of Armenians have names that end in *ian*, unless they've changed them (*ian* means *son of...*, if I'm not mistaken); Cher is an Armenian who grew up in the Fresno area. Fresno (& the San Joaquin Valley), California has one of the largest population of Armenians outside of Armenia itself. My unit manager is Armenian Cool diversity! Now is the time to kill the legality issue of bootlegs, AGAIN. We've gone this path at least once before our latest Y'Jammers logged in. And I won't mention it again, however...
The Majesty series offers many of us (who have never had) the opportunity, to hear DT in live performance. This enhances (at least for me) the chances that I will make a greater effort to attend a live performance, should such occur within reasonable distance of my residence. The Majesty series also offers a historical perspective on DT, i.e. *Oliver's Twist* as the musical origins of PMU & Erotomania, etc.; it also offers us the many changes throughout the evolution of *A Change of Seasons*, since it occurs at least 3X in the Majesty series. It also offers us some of the DT tunes that will probably never be recorded for various reasons, but offer us insight into DT versatility & musical interests/abilities (I like the jazz of *Long Island Expressway* and the piano inclusion at the end of TTT on AQ.) And now that Christmas approaches...we have the different versions of *O Holy Night* (I'm glad James didn't alter the lyrics at all on AD).
That's my opinion, at least.
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: G3, Eric Johnson Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961113142204.110929F-100000@homer26.u.washington.edu>
Eric "No Eye Contact" Johnson went on after Vai, which I felt to be a rather uncomfortable shifting of gears. He had his mannerisms, yes, but as for stage presence I can only offer this analogy...
Johnson : Vai :: Bleach : Ebola
He played fantastically though, and while Vai's music could hypnotize just from the visual spectacle exploding before your eyes and the sheer intensity, Johnson's music actually got my head nodding. I don't mean nodding forward or backward, I mean nodding like moving my left ear closer to my left shoulder, then my right ear to my right shoulder, etc. It was a joyous set. He did an extended acappella solo which lasted I think ten minutes. It was beautiful and tranquil. It really showed off his mastery of the two-notes-per-string techniques (the most well-known example being the pentatonic scale). And I thought Steve Stevens and Zakk Wylde were good at this stuff. Shit...
"That's Eric Johnson, the guy in black?" --man sitting to my left, regarding the motionless fellow playing lead guitar during Johnson's set.
I didn't see him use his whammy bar once. It really floored me that all of his quick whole-step bends were done with his fingers. He played with his thumb visible over the top of the neck, something I've never been able to do. During vibratos, the only part of his left arm touching the guitar was the tip of the fretting finger. I didn't understand how he could do this. There was a lot about his basic technique that was over my head. His technique made mine look like tar (thick, sloppy, and with no fluidity whatsoever). Boy was he graceful, moving those chords around, those trademark intervals...plus his voice wasn't bad either. His backdrop was several large white sails stretched out to cover the entire back wall, upon which were projected an array of warm and cool splashes of lighting, blues and greens that would shift to deep reds for different parts of the songs. It was very intimate despite Johnson's meditative state of playing.
He bowed politely after every song, even if the stage lights died before his final note. You could see his silhouette split vertically in half then re-form to a standing figure. A musician with true class.
Bafu
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:13:47 From: BlackSax@gnn.com (Onyx & Brimstone; Black Fire; Dark Passion) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199611132225.RAA15183@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
I have to skim over the 'jams, (not much time) so I must have missed it:
How do you subscribe to voices? or is it still a concept?
-Onyx & Brimstone; Black Fire; Dark Passion
"I have given everything I could And I don't think it really even matters Maybe nothing does How it keeps returning to remind me That I want to remain A child with you
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:57:09 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: More G3. Message-ID: <199611132257.PAA77174@nevis.u.arizona.edu>
At 02:26 PM 11/13/96 -0800, you wrote: >His backdrop was >several large white sails stretched out to cover the entire back wall, >upon which were projected an array of warm and cool splashes of lighting, >blues and greens that would shift to deep reds for different parts of the >songs. It was very intimate despite Johnson's meditative state of playing.
I don't know how many of you got the little joke, but those "sails" in the background weren't sails at all. If you looked closer, you'd see that they were in the shape of G-strings (the women's bathing suit). Being that the concert was called G3, there were 3 Gs up in the background. :) Peace be with you and God bless.
~Vince
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:09:29 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Magellan. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961113180824.9891B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
This is a letter straight from Trent Gardner:
> >The last studio sessions are in December.I expect TOW to be available > >by the end of the first quarter of 97.Check back around the middle of > >January and I should be able to give you an exact release date. > > > >TG
Now, on the ICE magazine, they list the new album as Janruary 28th. I don't know if that's correct, but i'll ask trent first chance i get
____________________________________________ michael b. ostrich - musical consultant e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..and now you're trembling on a rocky ledge, staring down into a heartless sea. done with life on a razor's egde, nothing's what you thought it woule be.." - neil peart.
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