YTSEJAM Digest 2027
Today's Topics:
1) Stuff (Lotsa Mail Today)
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
2) DT music question
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
3) Re: The World of Dream Theatre
by Fernando Ma <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
4) Re: Dt hard to find
by blane@nla.gov.au
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2024
by WildKoba@aol.com
6) malmsteen thoughts and band names
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@mail.gnn.com>
7) 96 Rock in Atl. to play DT!!!!!!!!!!!
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
8) Bad Band Names, etc.
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
9) YM+ but JP++ - KM?
by Eric Hansen <ehansen@apu.edu>
10) Damn It!!!!
by Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
11)
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
12) top 5 CDs for 1996
by Steven Thum <sthum@sunflowr.usd.edu>
13) IRC
by Chris DiGiuseppe <hed@northnet.org>
14) Re: Bad Band Names, etc.
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
15) band names
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
16)
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
17) IRC
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
18) Old Band Names
by robert.henderson@ICDC.COM
19) What The Paycheck Is For
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:14:38 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stuff (Lotsa Mail Today)
Message-ID: <199611150220.TAA12972@cyberhighway.net>
> I remember a local band called wasted angel! Are you from the Orange
> County, NY area? It's weird sometimes to think that the Internet can
> put you in touch with people on the other side of the world, then you
> find that some of them are also in your "backyard". Just wonderin, by
> the way, my band's names were. . .
Heheh. Nope. I'm from Idaho. We only played about 4 gigs
altogether. 2 HS talent shows and 2 parties that got busted. We
sucked bad back then. That's before we liked DT and were into the
Nirvana/Grunge thing.
>hopes not to start a "war". There'll be no quarrel here good
>man...Eric Johnson is the CAT'S ASS!!! I was just hoping that one of
Do we consider this a good or bad remark? heheh...
1. Kirk Hammett - He shreds, what can you say? He was taught by our
man Satch was he not?
2. Eddie Van Halen - He shreds. Eddie's self taught ain't he?
That's what I heard, but I've been proven to
have alot of lousy sources of information.
3. Vito Bratta (White Lion) - He shreds, I guess (The only song that
I remember is When the Children Cry)
My personal fave non-top shredder guitarist is Neal Schon. I know
everone's gonna go, "Who?" I dunno. He plays with the greatest band
of all time, for now, until the next DT album. (Journey)
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chikz" are trademarks owned by IbnzRG570. :)
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:22:11 -0800
From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
To: ytsejam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT music question
Message-ID: <328C0C13.4CCC@prtc.net>
Alright guys, I don't play any instruments, but I consider myself to be a
time signature freak. In other words, I'm always trying to figure out
the time signatures in all the songs I hear. Well, I have a few
questions you could probably help me out with:
What are the time signatures for these pieces of these songs?
- the solo part of LSOAD
- the beggining of Ytsejam
- the end of Scarred
Any insights on these will be appreciated. Thank you for shedding some
light on my ignorance! Bye.
Alexis (previously Surfordie)
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:46:04 -0700 (MST)
From: Fernando Ma <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The World of Dream Theatre
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.961114194506.42910A-100000@tortola.u.arizona.edu>
I got my Dream Out Loud CD in Barcelona...they had all sorts of DT
bootlegs and originals.
Fernando Ma
Materials science & engineering
University of Arizona
http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Andy Garner wrote:
> Hi
>
> This is my first post to this list.
>
> Whilst on holiday in Turkey I walked into a music store in Alanya, the
> town where we were staying and on the shelves of this tiny store I
> found............................................................................................. a copy of the Images & Words cassette!!!!!!
>
> Dream Theatre hit Turkey folks!!!!!!
>
> It might be kinda fun to start a new thread on the strangest places that
> Dream Theatre stuff has been found and the cheapest price paid for one of
> their albums.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:09:18 +0000
From: blane@nla.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dt hard to find
Message-ID: <199611150312.OAA33903@email.nla.gov.au>
Greets ye followers of the Jam,
Carlos stated:
> hehe .. whoa in Turkey?? A Friend of us cant find any DT cd in
> Australia..and its wierd cuz its an english speaking country (if that has to
> do anythignwith it..)
Dude, DT is available all across Australia, in most capital cities.
If your friend needs a hand let me know. I can get all their
official release stuff in Canberra, off the shelf.
As far as wacky band names go:
LTF was my first: 'louder than fuck'
1D1L1V mt second: 1 dream 1 life 1 vision
Rhythmic Orgasim my third.
And my four is currently un-named and we are open to suggestion, and
a guitarist.
Dream on,
Brett
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Brett Lane blane@nla.gov.au
CSC Australia Phone: +61 6 262 1659
A Unit of Computer Sciences Corporation FAX: +61 6 273 2116
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:22:13 -0500
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2024
Message-ID: <961114222212_226784198@emout03.mail.aol.com>
for more sick band names..............i was in a band called "some assembly
required." i also did two "side projects" (as "side" as you can get in high
school) called the sinking tugboats, and down with the ship.
the p.e. album with "nation" is of course, "it takes a nation of millions to
hold us back." but i still think "fear of a black planet" is their immortal
album. find it, listen to it, and love it.
****************************************************************
david kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
dkoba8375@aol.com
"energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp
"the present-day composer refuses to die." -e. varese
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:31:48 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@mail.gnn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: malmsteen thoughts and band names
Message-ID: <199611150323.WAA24566@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
> his attitude? Can't we discuss his playing without ignoring his ego? Would
> somebody who plays guitar (I don't) please write a quick Yngwie overview, on
> his playing, style, strengths & weaknesses?
well, as a friend of mine who's played the axe for 15 years likes to
say, Malmsteen is a guy who "blows his wad in 5 minutes". meaning,
in 5 minutes, you've heard all that he is. he has incredible speed
and execution, but that's about it.
here's a few band names for your viewing pleasure:
-three musicians and a drummer
-dumbass
-oh my god the building is on fire (imagine the crowd's response when
you're announced) :)
seeya
Andrew
Andrew Miller - Keyboardist/Vocalist - subtlerage
http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage - subtlerage@gnn.com
for wav files, surf to http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage/intersam.htm
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:59:52 -0500 (EST)
From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 96 Rock in Atl. to play DT!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <199611150359.WAA10295@atl1.america.net>
Hey!!! Guess what?!? Remember when I was talking about how 96 Rock said
they'd play my Perfect Album Side a few weeks ago? Well, I got the message
below back from one of the deejays, and it's gonna play tomorrow night
(notice, the Dream Theater is SPECIFICALLY mentioned to be played.). Along
with DT, I requested Pantera, COC, Megadeth, Led Zep, Rush (something like
that anyway..). COOL EH!??! I wonder what cds/tickets I'm gonna win for
this.
All hail the mighty Beavis now. BOW BEFORE MY BUNGHOLE!!!
---------deejay message below--------
>Hey Beavis --
>a little bird told me that your perfect album side is going to be played
>tomorrow nite (friday) -- couldn't fit all the songs in, it would be too
>long, but Dream Theatre is in there,
>so expect a call sometime between 6 and 7 p.m.!!!
>thanx for listening --
Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:14:07 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bad Band Names, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9611142355.C7267-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
> Subject: Sorry..I just had to say it
>
> Kirk was cool when they didn't try so hard to sound garage, Eddie will always
> be an elemental icon for guitarists like myself, and Vito is/was under-rated.
Wow. That's about as well as it can be summed up in one sentence. Bravo.
----> From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2025 > > So, Jam 2112, on 12/21/96, I'm surprised you didn't comment on > this little bit of info. I hope it does pop up on that day, that would > be wicked cool!
Especially since Europeans would write it as 21/12/96. :)
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> From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com> > Subject: Re: Names > > I just formed a Swing combo with some friends TODAY. We figured we > would go with a not-so-serious name. We are thinking about calling it > Happy Hour. I don't know? Corny or cool? Eighteen year olds playing > Jazz is not quite in vogue right now. An eighteen year old playing Jazz > on a 7- string Ibanez Universe is completely unheard of!
But, you know, you may have an angle there. Stuff that's completely unheard of is what makes you stand apart from everyone else. I'd be interested in hearing it.
> -- Btw: This is my first post since re-subscribing. I was on the Jam a > year and a half ago under the name Ibanez7. It's great to be back on!
ARGH! Another one? :)
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> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: John Petrucci > > Like a hawk shifting into an archeopteryx...
Hmm, there's a lyric in there somewhere... Bafu, can I use that?
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> From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu> > Subject: band names > > Uh, we traded under Free Beer, but kept trying to get a friendly band to get > themselves lined up doing the same place, and to call themselves Special > Guest or One Night Only. The idea here being something of a "Puppet Show > and Spinal Tap" deal: Tonight! One Night Only! Special Guest! Free Beer! > 7pm!
That's pretty good. :) I once saw one of the many bands that gigged under the moniker "Free Beer and Chicken," and they weren't half bad.
However, I have been in some bands with *bad* names, thought of a few more, and have been friends with people in bands with some bad names.
Forced Entry Satanpurple Affliction Gropius Polio Dog (one of the more recent ones, and we actually achieved some marginal success!) Dry Water just to name a few... :)
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:18:22 -0800 From: Eric Hansen <ehansen@apu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YM+ but JP++ - KM? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961115041822.006713f0@apu.edu>
I wasn't trying to say that Yngwie was the best or anything, In my own opinion that will always be JP. I just thought he was good for his time, especially if you like exhibitionism on stage. He was a pretty showy kind of guy. As for mellow stuff, he did a pretty good job on the star spangled banner. But the others are indeed better. On another note. Does anyone here know what that pendant is that Kevin Moore is wearing on the IaW photo? Iv'e been trying to figure it out, but I can't tell. It's not on the FAQ that I've seen, maybe not a worthy question? Someones gotta know. anyway,
DREAM THEATER RULLLESSS!!!!! and all that. Eric Hansen
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:19:18 -0600 From: Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Damn It!!!! Message-ID: <199611150419.WAA25689@ford.socomm.net>
> >Dream Theatre hit Turkey folks!!!!!! >
Its THEATER damn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Richard Warren rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:27:57 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961115042757.0067c9e4@ici.net>
>As far as I know, they're from the soundtrack of the Genesis pinball game >that JP wrote
He wrote a video game? Boy, and I thought he was just a talented musician. I guess he has a *plethora* of talents to draw upon. :)
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________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Vicious Rumors - "Word Of Mouth"
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:56:31 -0800 From: Steven Thum <sthum@sunflowr.usd.edu> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: top 5 CDs for 1996 Message-ID: <328C222F.59A7@sunflowr.usd.edu>
Here is my list of top 5 CDs for 1996:
1. "Ear Candy" - King's X 2. "Test For Echo" - Rush 3. "Venus Isle" - Eric Johnson 4. "Load" - Metallica 5. "Trial by Fire" - Journey
The list consists of CDs with new material. I left out "best of" and "live" CDs with old material on it. This also excludes all of the Mike Bahr CDs (Which are all superb!)
I'm sure there is a lot out there that I did not hear this year, but I can't judge that which I do not hear.
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:24:15 -0800 From: Chris DiGiuseppe <hed@northnet.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IRC Message-ID: <328C0C8F.5C1D@northnet.org>
Hello I know this is going to sound like I'm way behind, but I've been on the Jam since like #500 and I STILL haven't out how to get on IRC! Could someone please email me with the info? Thanks! -Chris
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:35:45 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bad Band Names, etc. Message-ID: <199611150441.VAA04626@cyberhighway.net>
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Bad Band Names, etc.
> Polio Dog (one of the more recent ones, and we actually achieved some > marginal success!)
No wonder... :)
Anyone ever notice that the sillier your band's name, the more albums you sell? Take bands like Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Enchant, etc... Names with alot of imagery and such all in one name don't get that much exposure. But groups named after various household appliances and items from the various food groups tend to get more exposure. So, if you want to garner more exposure for your bands... Take names like Doorknob, Blender, Hormel(tm), Oscar Meyer(tm), Toaster, Urinal, Shower Head, Dripping Faucets, etc.
We were actually tempted to name our band Crowbar and were pissed when we found out it was taken.
Your bound to sell millions! Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by IbnzRG570 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by IbnzRG570. :)
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:02:37 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: band names Message-ID: <199611150602.AAA15744@Walden.MO.NET>
Yeah, I was in a joke band once called, yep, you guessed it, Free Beer. Other monikers that were used at various times in my musical ventures are: Full Eclipse (cheesy name, but none of us could think of anything better, nor did we really care), Plastic Cabbies (started off as Plastic Cab Drivers, but we shortened it. The singer was too dang good-looking to contradict her ideas, hehe :), and Perpendicular Sanhedrin (that one was a joke thing, too). Another guy and I also stole Wyld Stallyns from Bill & Ted for a talent show (we were the only ones cut from the audition, but the audition was more than worth it, hehe... ). That's about it up until now. I've had some great ideas in the past, but I can't remember any off hand.
I just sent my check in for the DTIFC yesterday. WOO HOO!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:08:25 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961115060825.006e8054@enteract.com>
>Fury >Arcane >Perception I am sure I've seen the first two, and THINK I've seen Perception as a band name... though it may have just been our friendly neighborhood proggers in Conception.
And Talisman, and Second Sight, and Kindred Spirit (we dropped this one cuz it sounds like a deodorant... later findng out it was already being used.) Also had Apothecarym which we may go back to... if we want to use a serious name. After High School band names began to have less and less significance.
Don't you hate it when you come up with "The World's Coolest Band Name" and then find out it was already taken?
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:24:49 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IRC Message-ID: <199611150824.CAA12817@Walden.MO.NET>
Hey all, I jsut got off of my first session on IRC #ytsejam, and I must say taht it was pretty friggin' cool. Get on if you haven't yet. Later.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:32:36 -0500 From: robert.henderson@ICDC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Old Band Names Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.11.14.-10.32.36.2510543059.337505@bbs.icdc.com>
>What other people have wacky old names for their first bands?
"Baseball" "Seventh Grade Commando Chorus"
How's that for madphat-wacky? Beat 'em *if you dare*...
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap
"If you don't shut up, I'm going to rip your head off!" -- Mr. Canby, Earth n' Space Science
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:03:18 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: What The Paycheck Is For Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961115010008.25460C-100000@homer29.u.washington.edu>
> From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> > Subject: What the paycheck is for... > > Here's the thing that gets me, though... How come I pay for a ticket, > my right to admission, but I can't tape anything or take photographs, > even if it's solely for my own use? Didn't I buy the right to that > experience?
No. Telepathy isn't presently a widespread transferring-medium of ideas. Photographs are. You can't transfer thoughts and memories to other people by thinking at them, so no one's worried if you "watch" or "listen to" a performance. A photograph can be copied, distributed, etc. The person(s) who created the music you heard at a show and were born with the faces you saw and who gained legal ownership of the clothing they were wearing by exchanging American currency for the apparel...CAN'T trust you not to spread your memories around if they're in a physical medium that can be duplicated. I don't believe they fear people making money and surviving as productive members of the economy, I think they fear losing ideas that were introduced To You, By Them.
As for simply SPEAKING to relay past events, that can never be stifled unless the Constitution is done away with.
> There are other businesses that allow me to create mementos of my visit > for personal, non-commerical use.
What businesses did you have in mind?
Anyway, to begin with, in my opinion everyone owns themselves. They own their facial features and mannerisms. For you to photograph someone without asking their permission is, in my intrepidly humble opinion, immoral. I ALWAYS ask before I take someone's picture. Try photographing someone at random on a bus or city street, you'll probably get yelled at, you might even get chased or attacked. It's universally intolerable, it's just not something people generally "accept," perhaps because of vanity. As for a performer on a stage, I can't think of anything that would make photography suddenly "acceptable" short of the performer actually saying "hey guys, photography is allowed at this show. Snap away."
As for auditory mementos, the same rules apply to recording someone else's voice/exosonically-produced music without their permission. If there's a roving videocamera at a convention of Dream Theater fanatics, hey great, I guess we all know each other so why not? But If I'm performing/playing original music and you're recording it, I'm going to get pissed off, especially if I don't have the music written on sheets of tablature with patents processed in my name regarding their possession and use.
If I'm just playing through Paganini's Caprice #24, I'm not going to get upset if you're recording it, unless Paganini's attorneys are hanging around. But if it's a series of notes I put together and decided to, by way of The Government, attain the actual "possesion" of, I wouldn't appreciate the thought of someone watching the videocassette or listening to the audiocassette and repeating my possession for themselves with their guitar or other instrument, even if it IS in the privacy of their own home. I would have gone through a great deal of work to make the music "my own," from the writing to the playing to the protecting, and I know Dream Theater has had their share of shit over the last decade, enough to warrant John Petrucci getting annoyed with bootlegs. I respect his opinion on this subject because he's the one playing the music.
Did you know Warner Brothers owns the melody we refer to as "Happy Birthday?" If you sing it aloud and someone from Warner Brothers hears you and is really bored and wants to damage your simple pleasure they can take your birthday-loving ass to court.
Just random stuff to think about. I don't care if you record me playing my guitar, and I disapprove of anyone thinking they can own sound waves, but I also understand why some folks discourage the creation and distribution of bootlegs. If I ever write a gigantic symphony piece, I'll copyright it. Otherwise my simple riffs aren't much more than rearrangements of the perpetual puzzle-pieces that make up the musical cosmos...
Bafu
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