YTSEJAM Digest 2033
Today's Topics:
1) Providence Ticket Information
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
2) Re: midadgio
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
3) Re: rock opera
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2032
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
5) Whoo-hoo (even if I'm not 1st)
by lsprague@i84.net (Lee T. Sprague)
6) Dream Theater Tablatures
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
7) DT in CT&NY
by nicole mercedes gerace <lunitaria@worldnet.att.net>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2032
by Mau-Tze <jmoury@wam.umd.edu>
9) ISP/Poll Problems...
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Changing address jam is sent to?
by "Joey Axe Man" <Intellifex@msn.com>
11) Lemur Voice official homepage
by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
12) MTV Europe
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
13) Dreaming of citrus fruits...
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2032
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
15) Anyone heard the new Nevermore yet?
by "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@pop.usa.net>
16) Bands that I have Been in
by Rick <Richard_Harris@brown.edu>
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:42:14 -0500
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(Ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Providence Ticket Information
Message-ID: <01BBD47C.61257AA0@meridian.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
Having just got my tix to the Providence show (on the 12th, by the way), I
noticed that the tickets say "all ages". Could this be true ?? I recall
many younger fans really being pissed at the 18+ thing last time around. I
hope they still sell beers .....
And, will there be a mini Ytsecon like before the show in New London ?? If
so, could it be a bit more lively this time ??!! Nice people for certain,
but it had the feeling of a morgue.
Later,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:46:49 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: midadgio
Message-ID: <0mXoy9200YUg0472k0@andrew.cmu.edu>
oops, i meant to say saud and death, not cynic. sean malone was in
cynic
williambajzek|wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu|http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/~wb2a/
twobirdsonestoneonechanceisthrowndon'tmakemistakestwothievesstrungupon
eknifeonecuttwodoorsoneshutonefightonewayoneroadtotakewestandandwaitfr
omcooltowarmfromdusk'tildawnfromfluxtoformkneelingontheroadtograceland
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:41:55 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: rock opera
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961117184155.006ed0b0@mail.inlink.com>
> Hey, does anyone else out there think it would be cool if DT did a
>rock/prog. metal opera. I think if they did it would kick Tomy and
>Quadrophenia's butts. Or maybe they could do the entire music score for a
>major motion picture. That would be cool as well. I would go see any movie
>that had DT listed in the music credits. Just a thought.
i'm sure it would rule, but they'd have a tough time competing with the mind
and work of Jon Oliva, IMO. :)
>
> I was wondering what
> you all thought of Gary Hoey. I just went out and bought "Bug Alley"
> (his new CD) today and I just must say it kicks ass. I've always
> respected him and I'm wondering what you all think of his music.
i went out and bought Bug Alley a while back the first second i heard it
came out :) gary hoey is my all time fav solo guitarrist. and surfdog
records is one amazing record company with a great cause. The soundtrack to
the endless summer II is IMO his best release, and also my favorite cd :)
for a while i had him ahead of DT in my collection.. the only guy ahead of
them. the endless summer is also my favorite flick, which happens to be
(you guessed it) right in front of live in tokyo in my video collection :)
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:12:18 -0500 (EST)
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2032
Message-ID: <199611172012.PAA20364@zork.tiac.net>
hey,
time for some friendly conversation
>
>> Jimi Hendrix, Steve Ray Vaughn, Wes Montgomery, Jeff Beck, and
>> uh...some other guy. The only jazz I see there is Wes Montgomery.
>> Johnson is from texas and has a lot of that in his roots, so don't
>> pigeonhole him as a jazz player.
>
>Makes total sense. That's why Petrucci's style can't be jazzy. He's from
>Long Island, New York. Everyone knows you have to be from New Orleans to
>play jazz. You can't just "study" the style, you have to be from down
>south. The same goes for the blues...too bad Petrucci wasn't born in
>Mississippi.
>
Yo Bafu,
Please don't put words in my mouth, you seem to be taking my
statements out of line. I said don't pigeonhole him, or confine him, to
being a jazz player. By stating that he's from Texas I was implying that he
had a lot of that in his roots, and his sound, which is something he talks
about a lot...I never said he's not a jazz player or anything...
>> Sorry but Jeff Beck truly started (and ruled long before Satch) most of
>> the stuff Satch is doing. Check out Blow by Blow to hear this...
>
>Arguing in reverse like this by naming musicians from the past is a great
>way to completely devalue anything the musicians of the present time have
>contributed. I'm sure Satriani would love to hear you say this to his
>face. I'm sure he'd feel good about his innovations and years of selfless
>instructing and playing. "How productive," he'd think, "I've spent the
>last twenty years evolving into Jeff Beck Junior."
>
I never said Satch is a Beck junior either, I said Beck started a lot of the
stuff Satch is doing, which is the truth....
I hate having conversations through the jam like this because no matter what
you type you can't seem to represent yourself as a whole. For instance I
originally stated that I feel Johnson is the best of the G3 players and was
jumped on because people took it as ragging on the other 2 guys, even though
I enjoy listening to all of them. Not to mention what I say gets taken out
of line, as with what happened above.
>
>so i'm confused. is the providence show on the 12th or the 13th?
>
It's the 12th, I just got tickets for it :) Also, does anybody know if
Strand is a seated place? My tickets say GA, which would most likely imply
standing, but I know it's an old movie theater place, so I thought it had
seats. Anybody know???
Adam
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:26:34 -0500
From: lsprague@i84.net (Lee T. Sprague)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Whoo-hoo (even if I'm not 1st)
Message-ID: <v01510101aeb5222a67a4@[206.148.160.68]>
>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:48:13 +0500
>From: Andrew Rittner <adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
>To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Whoo-Hoo! I'm first!!
>Message-ID: <yam6892.656.36066584@uconnvm.uconn.edu>
>Hey everyone! Not to brag, but I thought this was soooo cool. I just rese=
>rved my ticket for the MP/JP clinic in Danbury, CT, and I was the first o=
>ne! They had just received the tickets like, seconds before I called. So =
>I got #1! Almost as cool as an end-of-`Jam!
>If anyone else is going to this thing, let me know, it'd be cool to get a=
> chance to meet some Jammers after all this time...
>Andy Rittner
>adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~adr93001
You bastard! :) I called the day before they went on sale, and they told
me to come into the store (East Coast Music Mall) the next day. I did, but
the ticket-printer was messed up, so they told me to come back later, which
I couldn't do. I did get them the next day, #22 and #23. I asked her, "Am I
only the 22nd and 23rd tickets sold?" She said, "No, because we just
started numbering them." Oh well. In talking to them, I guess they were
getting phone calls like crazy about the clinic. Cool. I hope you all make
it there (Mike and John P. to be there, this should be beyond excellent)!
-Lee
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:43:07 -0600 (CST)
From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater Tablatures
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961117144103.96803B-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Im fixing some albatures on line, it will be easier to read them because
Im erasing spaces between lines...
so we will be able to read them without editing them anymore..
is anyone doing more tabs from Dream Theater?
please send them to me, and Extreme tabs too, thanks.
Visit The Great Extreme Page (With news, sound clips and the mailing list) at:
http://mars.superlink.net/user/jkramer/extreme.html
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:43:24 -0500
From: nicole mercedes gerace <lunitaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT in CT&NY
Message-ID: <328F78EC.3F64@worldnet.att.net>
okay. i am going to the shows at the Chance and at Toads. I am curious
to hear from those of you who have seen DT at a club show before - how
early is a smart time to arrive? how many people usually show? and where
is the bestest place to be during the show. personally i had planned on
cramming myself as close to the stage as possible, but i have heard that
the balcony/patio/other spot is the best place to be.
thanks -
nicole mercedes
_______________________________
"answer a call while you still hear at all cos nobody will if you
won't..."
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:52:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Mau-Tze <jmoury@wam.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2032
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961117154904.12360B-100000@sun12pg2.wam.umd.edu>
>
> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:15:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Magellan & More Aimless Guitarpentry
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961116231330.17276A-100000@homer15.u.washington.edu>
>
> > From: Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
> > Subject: liner notes
> >
> > different note: can anyone tell me what the story is with Magellan?
>
> I'll tell you about that lunatic. He died several weeks ago of scurvy or
> something on the high seas, but don't expect the full story because his
> crew's never coming back. Anyone with crazy ideas like that man deserves
> whatever watery death Neptune served him on the foamy squalls. That entire
> voyage is doomed to failure...
>
Actually I think Magellan was beheaded off the shore of Mactan island
in the Phillipines. April 27, 1521. Or so I've been told in my
Eskrima classes.
Jon.
jmoury@wam.umd.edu (AKA Mau-Tze)
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:23:43 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Freaks Mailinglist'" <freaks@ax.com>, "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ISP/Poll Problems...
Message-ID: <01BBD4D6.97081600@Tuvok.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Hopefully this will be my last post about those stupid polls of mine...
My ISP keeps phuqing up... Please E-MAIL your entries to me, instead of
using the forms :-< The worst thing that can happen (I hope) is that
your mail bounces... Right now, I keep getting HALF entries, and I hate
having to ask people to mail me the rest after they've gone through the
trouble of participating... I'll just have to enter everything myself...
Anyway, check out the temporary results on my homepage and mail me your
votes if you haven't done that yet ! I'll add your name to the list of
participants, so you know your votes made it to the poll :->
I'll be updating the results pages every day, until December 1st, when
the polls close... I need *lots* of votes to make this thing *really*
interesting :-> So mail me your Marillion and Dream Theater top 10
lists :-> Here are the categories again... (last time, I promise!)
Marillion poll : Dream Theater :
1. Favourite Fish/Marillion albums 1. Favourite album
2. Favourite Hogarth/Marillion albums 2. Favourite WDADU songs
3. Favourite Fish solo albums 3. Favourite Images & Words songs
4. Favourite Fish/Marillion songs 4. Favourite LatM songs
5. Favourite Hogarth/Marillion songs 5. Favourite Awake songs
6. Favourite Fish solo songs 6. Favourite ACOS songs
7. Favourite songs
I'm really sorry if I'm annoying
anyone with this... I probably *am*... :-(
Mark
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`)
All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
Maintainer of the Freaks, Ytsejam and Voices "Most Frequent Poster Lists"
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 96 22:54:39 UT
From: "Joey Axe Man" <Intellifex@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Changing address jam is sent to?
Message-ID: <UPMAIL04.199611172254190792@msn.com>
i need to have the jam changed from my ibanez_man@msn.com Account to my other
account which is Intellifex@msn.com
if this is all i need to do thank you...and if it is not, will someone please
let me know, either by email or the jam
thank you
Joey
Ibanez_man Now
Intellifex@msn.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:06:46 +0200
From: Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lemur Voice official homepage
Message-ID: <199611172206.AAA28802@spider01.cobweb.nl>
Hi Jammers,
Here is Marcel again,
Well, from this week we have an own homepage, it will be on this week, just
check out the following URL until it comes up:
At the site there will be a lot of information about LV.
Just check it out, later on also soundsamples will be added.
Please feel free to sign our guestbook as well.
New tourdates:
26 november - Noorderligt, Tilburg (support of Yngwie Malmsteen)
29 november - Metropool, Hengelo
07 december - Exit In G, Landgraaf
08 december - Headbanger's heaven, Houten
17 januari - Blokhut, Rotterdam
I am still searching for some instructional video's in PAL-format,
especially the one from Joey Tafolla, please will someone E-mail me about
it, I have a lot to trade, just mail me: mcoenen@cobweb.nl
That's it for now.
Take care Jammerz,
Marcel Coenen
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:02:37 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MTV Europe
Message-ID: <199611172303.RAA19357@Walden.MO.NET>
I saw the European Music Awards, too. I figured I'd stick around and
see what Metallica was going to play. I figured it'd be Until it
Sleeps or something new. Boy, was I ever wrong. They actually
played, yes, Last Caress, which segued nicely into So What. I don't
really care for either song, but I was definitely surprised. It was
also hilarious hearing all the empty spaces in So What where they
took out the certain words (though they did fail to take "cock" out
once).
Oh, and Rip, My Fates CD is the one with IGoD as one track (when I
first saw it had only, like, six tracks, I was wondering, but then I
realized that the album was about an hour or so long, and realized
that IGoD was over 20 min. long, so I was very pleased :). Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 96 15:16:13 -0000
From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dreaming of citrus fruits...
Message-ID: <199611172316.PAA21808@pawn.ax.com>
Craig decreed the following in Ytsejam #2026:
>others of my old band names include:
>
>Five Nuked Alkies (abbreviated F'n A)
>Captain Haracio and the Hornblowers
>Halocaust
>Tangerine Dream
You mean you've never heard of the
used-to-be-psychedelic/proggy-and-now-it's-a-New-Age-band, Tangerine
Dream??
Bafu in #2027:
>> From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
>> Subject: What the paycheck is for...
>>
>> Here's the thing that gets me, though... How come I pay for a ticket,
>> my right to admission, but I can't tape anything or take photographs,
>> even if it's solely for my own use? Didn't I buy the right to that
>> experience?
>
>No. Telepathy isn't presently a widespread transferring-medium of ideas.
You're being overly literal. ;)
>Photographs are. You can't transfer thoughts and memories to other people
>by thinking at them, so no one's worried if you "watch" or "listen to" a
>performance.
Commonly, though, photographs are what we take to hang onto and remind us
of our experience. (If you want to be completely literal yet again,
psychologically speaking, we don't relive anything, we reconstruct it.)
>> There are other businesses that allow me to create mementos of my visit
>> for personal, non-commerical use.
>
>What businesses did you have in mind?
Not any one in particular...but we could use, say, Universal Studios as
an example. It's a business, and, technically, you could photograph
their sets (for what's it's worth, Warner Brothers claims that any sound
stage they create can't even be used for another show on their lot
because it's now a copyrighted item). They don't mind...as long as the
photos are not used for *commerical* purposes. See, the difference
between what I brought up and what most people here have been discussing
is the right to sell the experience; I'm speaking only in terms of
something one keeps for himself/herself.
>Anyway, to begin with, in my opinion everyone owns themselves. They own
>their facial features and mannerisms. For you to photograph someone
>without asking their permission is, in my intrepidly humble opinion,
>immoral. I ALWAYS ask before I take someone's picture. Try photographing
>someone at random on a bus or city street, you'll probably get yelled at,
>you might even get chased or attacked. It's universally intolerable, it's
>just not something people generally "accept," perhaps because of vanity.
Just this past week, my local paper had an article on photographing
people without permission. Some photojournalists argue that if you're
out in public, you're part of a public scene, and, hence, up for grabs.
The examples brought up in the article were all those famous photos like
the burning girl in Vietnam and a student huddled over a deceased
classmate at Kent State. No express permission was ever given or asked
for. I'm not stating my own opinion on the issues, just speaking of what
I've read.
>Did you know Warner Brothers owns the melody we refer to as "Happy
>Birthday?" If you sing it aloud and someone from Warner Brothers hears you
>and is really bored and wants to damage your simple pleasure they can take
>your birthday-loving ass to court.
Talk to the Campfire Girls then. They fought and won a lawsuit about
singing songs such as "Happy Birthday." This was just in the last month
or two.
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals.
((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our
O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking)
O/ \O
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:47:13 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2032
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961117184416.59058A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
So is MTV attempting to shovel
> the same stuff to the Europeans as they are doing so successfully here in the
> U.S.?
>
Yes.
Richie
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 05:00:47 +0000
From: "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@pop.usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Anyone heard the new Nevermore yet?
Message-ID: <199611172352.QAA14850@earth.usa.net>
I'm very interested in hearing if anyone out there has heard the new
Nevermore. I've heard nothing but good from this CD. There are some
serious elements of progressive with lots of complexity on the CD
from what I'm told. I imagine it's pretty thrashy like "Death", but
yet more melodic, but alot better vocals...Let me know if anyone has
heard it yet. I'm still trying to find it....
Take Care....Dusty
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:01:20 -0500
From: Rick <Richard_Harris@brown.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bands that I have Been in
Message-ID: <199611180002.TAA20266@golden.brown.edu>
I'm a guitarist who has been playing since Junior High (I'm 19 now).
I have pretty much been in the same band, through its many various forms,
functions, and lineups from the beginning. The weird thing is that other
than me, the only common thread between all its various incarnations has
been the name, The Max Rebo Band, a name that we stole from Return of the
Jedi. We've played every style of music from jazz to 70's folk to funk to
classic rock to progressive. We even had a country song in the old days.
Sadly, though, the highpoint of our career, gigwise, was covering "Pull me
Under" on the same stage where the boyz themselves once played that song
(Chapter II Sailsbury, MA). I say sadly, because it was probably the worst
performance of that song anyone will ever see anywhere (Though at the time
we thought we were the nut). It was still cool, though, because it was one
of our first "real" gigs. Anyway, that's my little "bands I have been in"
anecdote. I will leave with the question, have any of you musicians out
there attempted to tackle a Dream Theater song in the band you were in, and
if so, how did it turn out?
Later,
Rick
---Three CD's that should never, ever, under any circumstances find their
way into my carousel... again---
1. Bootie & the Hofish -- Cracked Rear View
2. REM -- New Adventures in HiFi
3. Poison -- Look What the Cat Dragged In (I admit, I bought it when I was
12)
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