YTSEJAM Digest 2037
Today's Topics:
1) Amp for sale
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
2) New guy
by tallufo@juno.com (Nate R. Lamar)
3) Drums, Zappa, More Drums
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
4) White Cliffs of Dover
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
5) PacRim - Dom, Black Bottle, Russ, Mike (LONG)
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
6) Re: PacRim - Dom, Black Bottle, Russ, Mike (LONG)
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
7) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2035
by "SchuBert" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2011
by Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
9) Van Halen (No DTC)
by "Adam Bertapelle" <bertapel@travelin.com>
10) DT shows
by Scorpio <emdurso@MtHolyoke.EDU>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2036
by David Gamble <dgamble@cs.uop.edu>
12)
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
13) We've Got Minstrels Again!
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2036
by "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
15) Birch Hill
by rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:45:19 -0500
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Amp for sale
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961119074519.0068bfc8@ee.net>
I have a Roland JC 120 guitar amp for sale, and it's basically brand new. The
tag is still on the handle, not a scratch, and still under warranty. If you're
interested I can ship COD anywhere in USA. Thankya!
buster@ee.net
http://users1.ee.net/buster
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:40:19 EST
From: tallufo@juno.com (Nate R. Lamar)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New guy
Message-ID: <19961118.202609.6974.0.tallufo@juno.com>
Hello, all. I just re-joined the ytsejam list. I was on it a while ago,
but indeed never posted. Let me tell you all about myself a bit (I'll
keep it short):
I'm 19, male, love DT, play in a prog/metal/funk/texture band (take one
part ELP, three parts DT, two parts Primus, and you have my band), think
most (including LaBrie) prog singers are pathetic wankers (I know I'll
get heat for that, but...), idolize Mike Portnoy, and live in Northern
CA.
And, just to make you all jealous, I'm going to see Steve Vai in three
days (the 21st). For any other NorCal'ers, the show is at The Edge in
Palo Alto, followed the next day by a show at Bimbo's 365 Club in SF.
Worth checking out.
On a DT note, does anyone know who the new singer for DT is, if they did
in fact axe LaBrie? I'm sure you've been over this before, but, please
humor me.
Thanks.
Nate
Fallout
Tall UFO Productions
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:13:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Drums, Zappa, More Drums
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961119005805.99386D-100000@homer08.u.washington.edu>
> From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
> Subject: any reviews of the drum festival in vancouver?
>
> Did anyone go to the Drum festival that Mike Portnoy took part in?
> I missed it :(
YEAH I went. I went with Rahul Ananda, who gave a neato review which I
will attempt to add to. Keep your eyes open, Tym. ;)
---- > From: Big.Swifty@twav.com > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2035 > > Someone posted earlier about how Zappa was probably inferior to the > guitarists on the G3 tour. I'm not gonna argue with that. But a thought > crossed my mind when I read it - Vai (and possibly the other 2) would > probably disagree. Modesty? Maybe. I just thought it was neat.Vai seems to cherish his time with Zappa to such a high extent that I can imagine his reaction (to comparing him to Zappa) passing silent modesty and moving into being offended. It would kind of make sense if Vai were to respond with something like, "Not even close, man."
---- > From: "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Drum Clinic - ungodly amounts of DTC - LONG > > What an evening. A phenomenal clinic followed by meeting some of my > drumming idols.
Nice wrap-up, R.! (that makes TWO Seattle jammers with the first name of "R.") Now I'm reminded of what Dom Famularo said at the end of Dennis Chambers' performance: "How'd ya like to go on after THAT???" ;)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:37:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: White Cliffs of Dover Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.961119093221.3385A-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
Ann wrote: > [snip] What does the music in "Cliffs of Dover" have to do with the > actual cliffs of Dover? I've been there - they're cliffs...white chalk > cliffs with some water at the bottom. I dunno, man...:-)
It's called Romance :-) Apparently, the cliffs of Dover are the first thing the sailors see when they're returning to the naval base in Southampton after months at sea, or something.
But my knowledge of English geography is appalling, actually.
Graham B. _______________________________________________ | o o | | Graham Borland |:: | graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk |:: | http://grelb.src.gla.ac.uk:8000/~graham |:: |_______________________________________________|:: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: PacRim - Dom, Black Bottle, Russ, Mike (LONG) Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961119051902.43382B-100000@homer06.u.washington.edu>
The word of last Sunday was "WOW." I'm talking about the 1996 Pacific Rim Drum Invitational, held at the Michael J. Fox theater in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. The drive up was smooth sailing, despite the slushy areas of road. The event began at 1pm, and Rahul and I walked in just as Dom "How Do You FEEL?" Famularo was warming up the crowd. The supercharged Mr. Famularo opened things up with an oration that was part praise of the drum, part praise of drummers in general, part stand-up comedy routine regarding the inadequacies and inferiorities of guitarists and bassists, and part introduction of the line-up for the evening. The bad news was that Sheila E. had fallen ill and would not be joining us that evening, nor would Peter Michael Escovedo. The good news was that Russ McKinnon, drummer of Tower Of Power fame, would be filling their slot.
The first performance was a Scottish drumming group called Black Bottle. Five snare players, a bass-drum player, and two all-over guys who played bagpipes, full drumkits, and an assortment of other things. You wanna talk about tight, when all five snares played a rhythm together it sounded like one guy was playing through an output channel split five ways. Dead-on tandem, plus they had cool accents. They did a long medley as their last number which combined Scottish druming with (on a nudge a while back from Mr. Famularo) the funk and groove of the United States. The idea seemed very novel and amusing, and proved itself to be so. When was the last time you heard a tradional Scottish jackhammer-barrage of snare-playing being sprinkled with double-kick thunder? When BOTH full-kit players started the double-kick, with the five lead snares still hammering away, now THAT was an assault on the air. I think they were trying to turn the theater into a vacuum or something...
In between acts Mr. Famularo would come out and pass out door-prizes. Cards were drawn out of a (drumroll, please) snare-drum. Mr. Famularo made sure to heckle the audience members as they came up to the stage. "Are those your PAJAMAS?!" "You wrote on the card that you play the GUITAR?!" "If I wrote like this I'd have laid an EGG by now!" Etcetera.
Up second was Russ "Latin Man" McKinnon. Scottish name, yes, but playing rhythms mostly from the Carribean. His opening soundcheck was an excruciating six (seven? fifteen?) minutes of him lightly tapping each piece of his drumkit as slowly as possible. First with sticks, then with brushes, and lastly with a pair of miniature rakes, some bizarre back-scratcher looking devices which he would scrape across things to produce very soothing, wind-like sounds.
He explained an aspect of his playing which he called "moving the beat within the beat." It involved shifting which sixteenth you place the bass/snare hit on while maintaining a set tempo. (for an example of what Russ was talking about, listen to the drums during the long outro of Queensryche's "One And Only") He then jammed along with some Tower Of Power tunes, which were all funky yet Latin at the same time. The last one was called "Cuba," and struck me as being very danceable. All in all he was a very lively player who was as much a percussionist as he was a drummer.
Third was Mike "I Hit Everything" Portnoy. The audience wouldn't have had much difficulty inferring that nickname had Portnoy decided not to tell us. "I am am equal-opportunity employer. If you are on my kit, I WILL hit you."
His soundcheck blew me away, and judging by the whistles and hollering going on around me, I wasn't alone. My favorite riff in this little opening was a series of rapid-fire hits ("short, controlled bursts" --Hicks, "Aliens") simultaneously on the double-kickdrum and the smallest-cymbal. BADDA-BADDA! BADDA-BADDA-BADDA-BA! BADDA! BADDA-BADDA- BADDA-BADDA-BA! It made me laugh out loud. Sounded like two dogs barking at each other.
ANYWAY... To demonstrate his use of (demented attraction to?) changing time signatures, he played accapella through the middle section of Metropolis, starting where the vocals end ("the third arrives") to where they next come in ("before the leaves"). It was enthralling. I couldn't help but hum along some of the guitar riffs, which obviously annoyed Mike because he stomped so hard on the left kick-pedal that it broke. The pedal was promptly replaced and he whizzed through the piece again like clockwork. Then he played through "Just Let Me Breathe," which featured a buzzsaw on vocals who someone said was named "James LaBrie." I'd swear I heard bits of "Bombay Vindaloo" surfacing here and there, and Rahul and I both agreed that there were traces of "Under A Glass Moon" and "A Change Of Seasons."
Next he played along with "Raise The Knife," without vocals. "This is one of the shorter tracks on our new album," Mike said. "It's twelve minutes long." Both songs were powerful, frenetic displays. He ended the performance with Erotomania, which made the entire row of young hopeful drummers in front of me eagerly lean forward to take mental notes. The DAT wasn't quite loud enough, so the bass and general chords were the only things ringing through Mike's hellish whirlwind. As the song ended, some clapped, but the guys in front of me just put their heads in their hands and questioned aloud their purpose in life...
He also remarked on the size of his kit. "A lot of drummers are stripping down their kits, but I'm adding to mine. So whereas a lot of people are taking the 'less is more' approach, I'm sort of taking the 'MORE is more' approach." "Whenever someone removes a piece from their kit, I grab it and attach it to mine."
Bafu Vai
p.s. tap, tap, taSQEEEEEAEEAEAEEE...
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:20:16 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: PacRim - Dom, Black Bottle, Russ, Mike (LONG) Message-ID: <199611191420.KAA18826@mail.caribe.net>
> >He also remarked on the size of his kit. "A lot of drummers are stripping >down their kits, but I'm adding to mine. So whereas a lot of people are >taking the 'less is more' approach, I'm sort of taking the 'MORE is more' >approach." "Whenever someone removes a piece from their kit, I grab it and >attach it to mine."
I dont know if this is apparent to any of you... but i take this as he is talking about Lars specifically...right? Or are there other drummers who had a cool kit and now removed some parts? Cheers
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:56:32 +0100 (MET) From: "SchuBert" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2035 Message-ID: <53794.H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
> I must agree here. I have Ayreon's 'The Final Experiment', it goes > off in a big way. Set in medieval times, 15 singers and 13 > musicians, ranging from Death to Opera, its well worth a listen. > > Have they done anything beside The Final Experiment? anyone? > Yes, they have. In my mail I wrote: 'CD's', because they (or HE, actually) brought out a new album just a month (?) ago. It's called 'Actual Fantasy' and it features more of Arjen Lucassen himself, and only six singers, so I've heard. Unfortunately, I haven't had the money to buy it myself, so I can't confirm this.
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:01:01 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2011 Message-ID: <199611191412.GAA27010@pawn.ax.com>
At 04:58 PM 11/10/96 -0800, you wrote: >>Ok i can understand wanting to hear...EVERYTHING >>that a band plays, expecially bands like DT that are so talented. Yet if >>you bootleg a tape, what gives you the right to make money off of >>someone elses efforts?
<snippage> >Here's my analogy: You go and buy a car. Then you go and *use* the new car >to deliver pizzas. You're now making money off of the car that the >dealership sold you. Does the dealership say, "Hey, you're using the car we >sold you to make money. We deserve to get a cut of whatever you make using >the car *we* sold you."? No, they don't. Why? Because the business >transaction between you and the dealership is complete. If you want to take >advantage of the fact that you now have a means to make a buck to pay your >utilities, good for you. Use the car, deliver some pizzas, earn a living, >whatever.
The flaw in your analogy is that when you buy the car from the dealership, money changes hands and you OWN the car. When you go to a concert, or buy an official CD, you do not ever OWN the music. The band (and/or) record company owns all rights to that music.
If someone else already stated this, sorry, I'm running way behind on JAMS.
-Scott Holthausen -smh@ldg.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:22:22 -0800 From: "Adam Bertapelle" <bertapel@travelin.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Van Halen (No DTC) Message-ID: <96Nov19.072222-0800pdt.148135-23616+4411@mm1.sprynet.com>
Did anybody catch the MTV interview with Ed and Al? They just ripped into Sammy and Dave. Actually, the only explaination they gave about Sammy was that "His work ethic sucked." That's it....not the best reason in the world to throw out your most successful singer. Then they got to Dave....WOW!!! First and foremost, they said his stage antics at the video music awards was embarassing and VERY disrespectful to Beck. Then they said that all Dave would do is complain at press conferences tht it was supposed to be HIS day in the spotlight and he wanted Eddie to shut the fuck up about his hip. It was an interesting interview, but I'm beginning to wonder about Ed. He doesn't seem to have the best reasoning behind his actions. BTW, "Me Wise Magic" on the Best of Volume 1 CD is INCREDIBLE!!!! I just picked it up yesterday. This is probably the best VH song I've heard since Sinners Swing and Unchained. Rockin!
Sorry to take up space. I'm looking forward to Paughkeepsie, Long Island, New Haven, and Birch Hill!!! Got all my tickets. (Still looking for an extra for Rush on the 15th!) Adam Bertapelle <bertapel@travelin.com>
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Scorpio <emdurso@MtHolyoke.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT shows Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.961119113507.21506D-100000@axis.mtholyoke.edu>
Has DT ever played in or near Boston? How about in the Springfield, Mass area?
-Em ------------------------------------------------------------- "...too late to turn back now/ i'm running out of sound/ and i am changing, changing..." -Smashing Pumpkins -------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:46:59 -0800 (PST) From: David Gamble <dgamble@cs.uop.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2036 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961119094136.1116A-100000@uop.cs.uop.edu>
Sanguine Surroundings is coming--- "STALEMATE" DEMO CASSETTE (Jan 1997) $5.00 + $2.00 S/H
The Great Young hopes for prog are knocking at the door....LET 'EM IN
For more information, send email to dgamble@uop.edu
Spread the word---
Where Dream and Vai unite ---- Sanguine Surroundings........
Join the "Di-Sigma" mailing list today by showing your interest....
DON'T WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE BIG STARS (or washed up never-will-bes)!!!
Until then, keep playing that Lemur Voice and keep "Waiting for 'Godot'"
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:00:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199611191800.NAA04130@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi All ...
I recieved an email today from the promotions director at Mulcahy's in Wantagh where DT is playing on December 5th. He asked if I could ask everyone who runs a web site to please add a link to their home page at:
Even if you don't have a DT web site, you should still check it out, its a pretty cool site.
So, if everyone could add that link it would be real cool :)
Also, while I'm thinking of it, Tha Strand has a web site too, it's at:
Too bad they haven't figureed out how to spell Dream TheatER yet :)
Thanks everyone!
Later! Skadz
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:05:05 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: We've Got Minstrels Again! Message-ID: <199611191805.KAA12637@main.cfmc.com>
Talking back....
>From: greg massi <gmassi00@sequent1.providence.edu> > >Hi all members of the Ytsejam I'm new here but I'd like to say that I look >forward to seeing some of you at the Providence show which is like ten >inutes away from where I am at college. My name is Greg and I'm an 18 year >old music major at providence college who plays guitar. Well I just thought >I'd introduce myself to you all because I'm really happy to be part of this >. Thanks for your time.
Two things:
1) Hello! I'm not the grizzled veteran here, but I'll be friendly, anyhow.
2) You almost spell your last name like yet another guitarist who was relatively high-profile in the 80's that we haven't talked about yet (and I'd thought we'd covered them ALL): Alex Masi. Anyone else have "Downtown Dreamers?" Always thought they sounded like The Scorpions.
>From: acook@tiac.net (acook) > >>Kirk Hammett is awesome. He's basically defined a new style of guitar >>playing. > >Uhm, this is sure to start some discussion :) Hammett has done some >impressive stuff over >the years, but I never found his playing very extraordinary. As far as >defining a new style of guitar playing....I don't think defined is the right >word. Maybe provoked is the more appropriate term :)
That's possible. You could certainly put together a credible argument that what a thrash solo should sound like has been guided by a number of other guys -- King and Hanneman, of course, Mustaine's various cohorts, Chuck Schuldiner, Alex Skolnik -- but Hammett was really there, defining what was going on. Metallica was, by far, the most important band in establishing a thrash/speed scene and Hammett combined talent with historical location to really lay it down. I actually DO find his playing fairly extraordinary, though I'm not sure it's particularly difficult. A lot of people are knocking down what Hammett did on the first few records now, and I just think they're missing the boat.
>>Remember that when "Kill 'Em All" and "Ride The Lightning" were >>released, there wasn't any formula for soloing over thrash rhythms. > >This is arguable, but basically all I saw in his solos were souped up >Richtie Blackmore licks mixed with a lot of straightforward rock/blues licks >involved. Hammett's solos were the first real solos I ever learned because >they're pretty simple and not too difficult technically, and although not >terrible interesting or original, they generally sound pretty good. > >However I've lost most of my respect for Metallica for obvious reasons. Not >to mention their isn't a real Hammett solo to be found anywhere on Load...
Hammett certainly has changed his style of playing on "Load." Metallica isn't working anything like the same territory they did in the mid-80's. I LIKE "Load," quite a bit, in fact, but they've made some major changes. And like Rush, Genesis, Maiden, Tull, and Gary Moore, among others, Metallica's lost some of the fans they started with.
At any rate, I'd say Hammett's early playing sounded a lot more like Uli Roth than Blackmore (of course, Blackmore and Roth aren't THAT disparate, so maybe the comment isn't such a powerful rejection of what you say). Certainly, there's some amped-up blues licks in there, but I always thought of Hammett's playing on the first couple of records as being in the Euro-Metal, arpeggiated, modal tradition, but bred with a higher level of aggression.
>>Now, if >>you listen to any band working anything like a thrash/speed style, you can >>usually hear at least a little Hammett in it. "Fade To Black" is "Stairway >>To Heaven" for the thrash generation, right down to the amazing solo. >> >I don't hear any Hammet in Marty Friedman's playing on Rust in Peace.
That's partially true, I think. Friedman on "Lucretia" and "Holy War" uses a lot of those Eastern modes that he's so fond of. In other places, his modal playing actually DOES remind me a little of Hammett, though their sounds aren't particularly similar.
>From: Big.Swifty@twav.com > >Someone posted earlier about how Zappa was probably inferior to the >guitarists on the G3 tour. I'm not gonna argue with that. But a thought >crossed my mind when I read it - Vai (and possibly the other 2) would >probably disagree. Modesty? Maybe. I just thought it was neat.
That would be me. I don't know if it came out right, though...what I was trying to explain is that I DO believe you can put a credible argument together than points at Zappa as the greatest guitarist, sorta like you can put one together for Honus Wagner as the greatest baseball player ever. I don't believe it, but it's not unreasonable. At any rate, Zappa was a tremendous composer and musician, had a wonderful ethos and has to be one of the ten most important and influential musicians of this century. But he doesn't play guitar as well as Johnson, Satriani, or Vai.
>From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > >The guitar. > >"WHAT?! Not MY friend, you selfish wanker! I play the BASS! A REAL >instrument! A MAN'S instrument! REAL STRINGS for fingers with some REAL >MUSCLE behind 'em! I FLOSS with your doofy guitar picks!! Now get that >FEATHERWEIGHT IBANEZ outta my face or lay down a FUDGY-FAT SLAMMIN' >GROOVE, ya wimp!!" > >Whew. That was cathartic. Perhaps Jung was right...
Amen.
(Adam says, after 500 lines of commentary on guitarists.....)
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratutious CD's: (Gearing Up For Rush In San Jose and Sacramento) ====================================================================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Rush: Rush 3. Rush: Caress Of Steel 4. Rush: Hold Your Fire 5. Rush: Exit...Stage Left
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:43:44 PST From: "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2036 Message-ID: <1689F0B5FE2@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>
Jammers-
Vai last night at the House of Blues...WOOHOO!!!!! Wow, what a performer! Talk about Divine Love... Best concert I've been to in a while, sound was excellent (surprisingly) and he played Kill the Guy! Ok, enough.
Glenn ^Mirror
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:20:00 -0600 From: rwarren@memphisonline.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Birch Hill Message-ID: <3.0b33.32.19961119131956.006b5f60@memphisonline.com>
I have read that security at Birch Hill is pretty tough on recording devices. How about cameras? I am flying up from Memphis, TN to see the show and would like to get some pictures.
Also are there any pre-show Jammer activities planned besides the Rush show. I will hit Old Bridge around 2:00 pm and would like to do something before the show.
Later,
Richard Warren rwarren@memphisonline.com
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