YTSEJAM Digest 2043
Today's Topics:
1) Re: My top 5 albums for the year
by Fernando Ma <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
2) Can we stop this nonsense?!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
3) Re: My top 5 albums for the year
by Syrinx <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2041
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) Yngwie's Evil Eyes and surgery
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
6) Frizzles and Snizzles
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
7) Any Kate Bush Fans on here? (NO DTC)
by "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@pop.usa.net>
8) Re: Hammet vs. Friedman
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
9) Pre-BH gathering? Post-BH gathering?
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
10) Five CDs of the year
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
11)
by WeBozz <jdunn@toto.csustan.edu>
12) NDTC Re: asbury park (Grey Lady Down & Tristan Park TONIGHT)
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman)
13) Big Bro etc.
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
14) IRC server problems
by e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf)
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:57:22 -0700 (MST)
From: Fernando Ma <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: My top 5 albums for the year
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.961120215148.81998A-100000@tortola.u.arizona.edu>
Here's my discovery list:
1. Mr. Bungle- Mr. Bungle
2. DT - WDADU
3. Galactic Cowboys - All of em (especially Space...)
4. Rush - Moving Pictures
5. Dave's Big Deluxe - Sounds from the Cadenza (local ska band)
Fernando Ma
Materials science & engineering
University of Arizona
http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:02:18 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Can we stop this nonsense?!
Message-ID: <199611210502.WAA100062@nevis.u.arizona.edu>
PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THIS IS STRICTLY MY OPINION
AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
Thank you.
Hi all,
I've been observing for a while and I feel it's finally my time to
speak out. See, I'm a huge fan of DT, Metallica, and Megadeth. Needless to
say I'm getting sick and tired of seeing someone bash one of the guitarists
from these bands. You don't see much here about Petrucci, but I've seen
alot of people saying things like "Hammett sucks compared to Friedman," or
"Hammett doesn't even write his own solos, Mustaine and Hetfield did it
all," or "Hammett defined the thrash solo and Friedman copies him." This is
all nonsense.
A player is built off of his influences and his ambitions, along
with the natural talent given to him by God. Each one of these players has
a unique and outstanding playing style that shaped millions of other
guitarist out there, myself included. I think it's cool to compare the
playing styles. That shows an understanding of music and musical
appreciation, however, I think it's total bullshit to say that one is better
than another. All we SHOULD say is that IMHO this player sounds better to
me or I like his playing style more than this other guy. To say that one
sucks and one is cool is incredibly asinine.
I said this before in response to the Satriani, Johnson, Vai
bullshit that was posted. There is a certain level a guitarist reaches when
he has played for a long amount of time and has become well-versed in the
ways of the guitar. This level I call the ELITE. These guitarists we've
talked about here are definitely all in this category. I have the utmost
respect for all of them. I know I'm repeating myself here, but all of these
guitarists have had an incredible influence on myself and my playing. For
example, I've got to say that the Friedman solo to "Tornado of Souls" is
excellent, so is the Hammett solo to "Creeping Death" and Mustaine's work on
"Go to Hell" (just a few examples). Heck, the things that made me become a
guitarist 5 years or so ago were the solos to "Enter Sandman" and "Summer Song".
Last but not least, if you think you're better than these guitarists
and ACTUALLY CAN back it up, then and only then would you be able to say
that any one of them "sucks". Even then, you'd only be proving yourself to
be an incredible asshole. End of story.
Courteous hate mail will be (foodspoon) accepted at no further
charge. ;)~
Love yuz' all!
Peace be with you and God bless.
~Vince
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:31:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: Fernando Ma <fernandm@u.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: My top 5 albums for the year
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961121003107.20731A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
>
> 1. Mr. Bungle- Mr. Bungle
defianatly one of the weirdest albums of all time.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:49:08 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2041
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961121054908.00702e18@enteract.com>
>I'll name three and then would like to see what you come up with -- "Fade to
>Black," "Orion," and "Dyer's Eve." "Orion" is actually kind of a
>gimme...parts of it sound a little like "Hotel California," of all things.
>But it doesn't work quite the same way, so aside from the one lick that's a
>real obvious connection, I think you'd have to jump higher than that bar.
Hey cool. This will be fun (Except that I have to ANALYZE
METALLICA!) I'll get right on it. I'll probably take this to private e
mail unless anyone objects. Can I note that I'm glad this conversation
didn't fly out of hand into an arguement...
>It's one angle of the quote you
>gave of me -- that Thrash has happened is more due to Metallica's input than
>any other band. But, in part, what you say is right -- at the time,
>Metallica wasn't in any way the ONLY band doing it.
I suppose this is one of those things that you can argue until
you're blue in the face... it all comes down to what you listen to and how
you listen to it. I will agree that Metallica was a HUGE influence on metal
in general, but I just don't see them as being more significant than the
other huge bands of the time. I guess album sales MIGHT be a way to judge
that... but I don't care to research who sold more albums in say.... 88 than
the others. So on that note, let's agree to disagree.
>I have a little bit of trouble saying Roth is VERY technical. He's
>certainly technical, but so is Michael Schenker. Roth's style is a little
>more exotic, but he's playing throughout his career was based on
>arpeggiation.
Have you listened to any of Roth's solo work? Not with the
Scorps... his Japanese releases and the likes. If you can suffer through
his god-awful vocals the solos are as technical as Yngwie, but a bit more
raw and exotic. I have a LOT of his material on cd... there's some really
impressive stuff, but NONE of it makes it worth sitting through the vocals.
Catch me in a good mood and I'll make you some .wavs.
>Two or three? I dunno if you're just talking simple minor inversions or if
>you're talking about using extensions or what. Two or three doesn't tell me
>much, aside from the fact that I don't think I'd agree with any possible
>interpretation.
I'm saying 2 or 3 different arpeggios as in major, minor and probably some
diminished, in a few different inversions. I haven't studied Hammett's
style extensively... but from what I've heard that's what has come through.
>Well, I did hedge my bets a little with the word "usually," but I STILL
>think there's gonna be similarity, in most cases. I mean, Alex Skolnick,
>who was a tremendous player in Testament (probably still is, but I haven't
>heard Exhibit A), didn't use many of the same note choices, but I still
>would point at similarities in the way the solo interacts with the rhythm
>guitar and bass. That blueprint belongs, primarily, to Metallica.
But I would content that is more logically based... I mean, if it wasn't
Hammett it was DiMeola, Van Halen or Yngwie... you can't really call someone
an innovator for soloing in time or interacting with a rhythm they way rock
and roll has always taught. I'd hesitate even more in the case of Skolnick
who was heavily into jazz (allegedly) and would likely have picked his
infuences up there in an attempt to seperate himself from Joe Shredder.
>Clapton and Beck are different voices...I wouldn't have any trouble
>separating the two at all -- but they ARE similar in several ways. The fact
>that both Hammett and Friedman are mining a thrash sound is evidence enough
>that there's SOME similarity. What's in question is HOW similar they are
>and what context you couch that in. <snip> My initial arguement
>was that Hammett helped establish many of the conventions of thrash/speed
>metal soloing. My argument, specific to Friedman, is that he observes some,
>not all, of those conventions.
I see where you're coming from now. They have the whole genre in common if
you take it to that level. But I am more concerned with making it clear
that Marty developed his style independently from the other established
players of the period. I would urge you to check out Marty Friedman's first
instructional video if you have a way to watch it without buying it (even
though my bassist got some bizzare ideas from it) It might be enough to
get you to change your mind.
Be well.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:52:36 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yngwie's Evil Eyes and surgery
Message-ID: <3293d1a9.3868312@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi!
>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:43:10 -0500 (EST)
>From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
>I don't know about that. The WHo show that sounded so great last night
>still sounds great this morning :)
That might have been from the volume! They used to be one of
the loudest bands ever to tour. My ears rang for 2 days after I saw
them in the early 80s. :)
>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 12:51:52 EST
>From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
>another shredder trying to cross-over - but songs like "Black Star", "Evil
>Eye" and "Trilogy Suite" are monstrous!
I've gotta agree with you about Evil Eye. The version of that
track on the Alcatrazz record, Live Sentence, still leaves my mouth
hanging open.
>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 12:56:33 EST
>From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
>To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: More on Yngwie
>Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+AzTXmA@tcx.tcco.com>
>
>Has anyone seen Yngwie play recently? I saw him about 6 months ago and he
>looked horrible. His face looked very fat and he must've had about 20 extra
>pounds around his gut. Although, his wife was the exact opposite - a total
>knockout! Just wondering...
Maybe she had liposuction and he had the fat implanted in his
face. :)
He's using it for ego padding. ;)
Wow, I don't remember the last time I sent a message to this
thing!
I've been VERY busy at work over the last few weeks writing a
training manual for some software.
Hopefully, things will be a little quieter for a while and I
can post here periodically.
Well, gotta go. 10 more of these beasties await me in my mail
box!
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:53:29 +0000
From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Frizzles and Snizzles
Message-ID: <329399F9.59E7@sprynet.com>
Greetings gang.
As far as CD Europe is concerned, I ordered Lord Bane and T-Ride from
them a few months back. They soon sent me a letter telling me t-ride
was no longer available but Lord Bane was. I got the Lord Bane CD about
2 weeks after ordering (actually it was three I think.)
At that point, I thought, cool. But then friend of mine ordered a
snargload of stuff, including Crimson Glory's s/t Tape with the bonus
track "Dream Dancer". Well after beaucoup weeks, he finally got some of
his stuff in but had crimson glory's s/t CD with NO "Dream Dancer" He
was po'ed and sent it back but the motherfunkers billed him anyway and
he had to straighten it all out and it sucked and he has yet to receive
"Dream Dancer".
Bottom Line on CDEurope: If you want Lord Bane, use'em. If you want
something else, try someone else (but I wouldn't recommend Wildside
Imports as they have huge catalog but NOTHING in stock...I like Impulse
Records).
As for the Legendary MIDNIGHT of Crimson Glory, last I heard he was
going to sing for a band called Zoic with some dude from...was it
Mamento Mori(sp?) or someone else?....anyway he didn't have the money to
fly to Europe to record it so Zoic got the guy from Veni Domine
instead. Last I heard, Midnight was in Florida doing God knows what.
2 weeks till Rush
Steve Vai will be in New Orleans I think on December 1 but I doubt I
will go.
Eric Johnson will be at the Varsity in Baton Rouge on December 7(the day
after Rush!) for those interested.
Later
Phillip
CD of the Day: Rush "Counterparts"
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:09:00 +0000
From: "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@pop.usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Any Kate Bush Fans on here? (NO DTC)
Message-ID: <199611210600.XAA18287@earth.usa.net>
Jammers,
Just wondering if there are any Kate Bush fans here on the net? I
figured that since there are Tori Fans, that there HAD to be some
Kate Bush fans. I love here music. I do note alot of musicians being
fans of theirs, especially Angra who seem crazy about her judging by
their interview and their cover of "Wuthering Heights". If anyone
wants to get into her and doesn't know the right album to pick up, by
all means, pick up "The Dreaming". That album is probably her most
progressive, or at least the most experimental. I actually like her
better than Tori, but they are both Great. I noticed the gentleman
from Superior listing a couple of her albums in his newsletter as
being his favorite all-time albums. I just wonder why alot of people
I talk to have never heard of this wonderful singer and
performer.....Take Care all...........Dusty
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:17:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Hammet vs. Friedman
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.961121010320.14835C-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Brian Hayden wrote:
> About the Hammet vs. Friedman (and everyone else):
>
> It's impossible to say that Hammet defined the thrash solo. People make this
> coment based on, of course, his early work. What everyone seems to forget is
> that Dave Mustaine wrote most of the early Metallica stuff (just as he does in
> Megadeth), including a great many of the solos played by Hammet, and much of
> what Hammet played up through the black album was written by Hetfield.
> Obviously, his solos weren't written note-by-note for him, but someone else gave
> him at least the basis, if not more. Most of the riffs he played were written
> totally by someone else. The big reason for the small similarity there is
> between Hammet and Friedman is the influence of Mustaine. Personally, I think
> that there is a very definite difference in their sound. Hammet (until recently)
> was prone to the 4 or 5 power cord and then throw in a solo (which was usually
> simple, and many times didn't really fit the music of the rest of the song)
> school of heavy metal, working in some simple finger picking lately, while
> Friedman was both capable of being more melodic (again, a heavy influence of
> Mustaine) and capable of a better shred. Metallica did some fast stuff, but they
> could never get to where Megadeth was on, say, "Poison was the Cure" from Rust
> in Peace. What it comes down to, in my opinion, is that not only can Friedman
> shred Hammet in a thrash solo, but Hammet also can't write or play as well as
> either Friedman or Mustaine.
>
This thread interests me because I listened to some Metallica the other
day, for the first time in a long time. And I just can't stand Hammet
anymore. I agree with everything that you said, and I can tell (on Justice
in particular) where he's playing something that Hetfield wrote, because
those solos (better called melody lines, I guess) are just tons better
than what he does on his own. His own solos are poorly structured, often
don't fit, and his tone is just painful to listen to.
He does have a couple solos that I like. One, for example. And I like all
of the Mustaine solos he plays. But on the whole, ugh. don't like hammet.
Hetfield's solos, on the other hand, are awesome, IMO. He doesn't shred
all over the place, and I'm guessing he probably doesn't have the speed to
play the high-energy parts like Kirk (I think I read that in an interview
with him once upon a time) but he has a killer sense of melody. Had,
anyway. I haven't heard much of Load and don't intend to...it's not what
I'm into.
I can't compare Metallica to Megadeth, though, as I haven't heard much of
the latter (Mustaine's personality annoys me so I've never really checked
into his music.) But I will say that Metallica did some really amazing
stuff on Puppets and Justice. MOP, One, Disposable Heroes, To Live is to
Die...those songs are classics. I wish Metallica had pursued the direction
they took with Justice. The intertwining of excellent acoustic riffs with
the thrashy stuff was done exquisitely. The black album was okay, and had
some good stuff, but I think it was a big step back and seemed to lack
the heart that the earlier stuff did.
I apologize for the lack of DT content, but I've been listening to
Metallica lately and I'm interested in discussing it without getting into
the sellout argument, which bores me to death. So if anyone wants to talk
metallica, please e-mail me.
-max
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:04:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pre-BH gathering? Post-BH gathering?
Message-ID: <199611210704.AA19281@crl9.crl.com>
We'll be riding up from the Southeast for the Birch Hell show (me,
Big.Swifty, and Wes "that dude with the huge Anthrax sig" Foll :)).
We'd like to get with all the other Jammers before the show, too.
I know many of you already from Y'cons II and III, but they don't. :)
Uh, I think the Fanta-seeya Diner is out. :) (Although we -could- go
by there and give the owner a hard time....heh) Are there any other
landmarks near BH we can meet at? There was a McDonald's right near
the Fanta-seeya Diner (BTW, it's actually Fantasia if you're actually
from the area). Anything else? On the way out after the show the
last time, we stopped at a pretty cool diner, but alas I can't
remember the name now. It was on the same road as BH and (according
to my hazy memory of the credit card charge) in Brunswick, NJ.
Wherever we all meet, it needs to be fairly BIG. :)
Come to think of it, we need directions to the club from the South on
I-95; please email me if you can help out.
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:55:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Five CDs of the year Message-ID: <199611210655.AA19223@crl9.crl.com>
Here re my own top 5 CDs for the year (ones I've first heard during 1996 regardless of when they were released):
1. Superior, behind -- IMO the best prog-metal CD I've heard in perhaps two years (note that ACOS is an EP :)). Stunning, excellent, and it was only a demo when I got it. Of c. fifteen people I've played the CD for, only one didn't like it (and he's into death and black metal). 14 for 15. If these guys don't get some fame, there truly ain't no justice. More: www.crl.com/~vanyel/superior.html
2. Type O Negative, October Rust -- At some time during the last 3 years, Peter Steel, uh, stole into my mind and queried my subconscious as to what I liked most from BLOODY KISSES, an album I really liked. Then he and his mates made a CD that very closely paralleled my wishes. Thankee, Pete! :) Seriously, while many bands can sound like a Carnivore, very few can emulate Type O's gothic sound, and that's what they went with. Uniqueness is Good.
3. various, Working Man: A Tribute -- A for effort. Not every track is a gem but DT's contributions are top-shelf, and overall it's very good. Yes, I've even grown to like Devin's vox. :)
4. Tool, Aenima -- It's good, it's long, I like. :) Just five words regarding the video(s): Bring back the Clay Dudes. :)
5. Lemur Voice, INSIGHTS -- A very good prog CD; suffers only from sometimes-lackluster vocals.
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: WeBozz <jdunn@toto.csustan.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.961120233458.22957B-100000@toto.csustan.edu>
Hey there...umm I don't really read the jam anyy more and I don't know how to get it to stop coming!! help...I still love Dt I just use my puter anymore.. well enough to keep up with the jam... Joey
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:38:44 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman) To: jwrjr@rci.rutgers.edu, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC Re: asbury park (Grey Lady Down & Tristan Park TONIGHT) Message-ID: <19961121.013845.9502.1.nishiki@juno.com>
Hey Jim,
I found my sheet of info. It's at a place called The Saint. Doors at 8, show at 9, cover $7. On friday it's at Kenny's Castaways on Bleeker St. in the Village (one block from the home of Prog Rock Nite), show at 10, cover $8.
I believe the NJ show also features Curious Works and E-Motive. I have seen them both at Prog Rock Nite. Curious Works is rather good, and I forget what E-Motive is like. There is an act called Inearvisions, but it's unclear whether they're playing at just the NY or both shows. The NYC show also features E-Motive and a band called Nepenthe, which I am not familiar with.
I am also posting this for everyone else's benefit.
URGENT: Can someone who has an address, directions, and/or a phone # for The Saint in Asbury Park, NJ PLEASE email me? Better yet, if it's a local call from Jersey City or NYC, you can call and leave me a message at (201) 798-3741 or (212) 571-3434 extension 273, since I might not get an email in time. Hey, post it, I might get that. I really want to go, but I have no clue where this place is or how to get to it. Thanks!
For those who don't know, GLD is a good neo-prog band, and I am not familiar with Tristan Park, although every other band I've heard on their label (Mr. So & So, Arena) is also neo-prog, and they're also very good! Curious Works is also neo-prog, a little heavier, with a female singer. I've seen them live, and they are also worth seeing.
On Wed, 20 Nov 96 15:19:00 EST James Robinson <jwrjr@rci.rutgers.edu> writes: >Hi- > >Could you please fill me in on the Asbury show with GLD and Tristan >Park? >Where when etc. I am close and would consider going. >Peace- >Jim >
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Big Bro etc. Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961120233121.98258F-100000@homer04.u.washington.edu>
> From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) > Subject: Big Bro', wank on this > > Hey, what did Mike P. mean when he said Big Brother was watching?
He means that the reason James' vocals were so raspy and evil on "Just Let Me Breathe" is that he (James) always reads the 'jam before going into the studio, so naturally he gets really pissed off with all this talk of recording the upcoming holiday shows, Mike Bahr releasing the uncovered gig, etc.
By the way, has anyone other than me considered what the vocals are going to sound like on Tapestry? They won't be what's on ACOS, at least "Perfect Strangers" won't be...
---- > From: Jeff Perrot <jperrot@siue.edu> > Subject: MP Clinic > > I did not get to see it in person, but you can check out the entire show > (I think) in Real Audio at : > http://www.wardmusic.com/percussion/pacific/index.html > > I have quickly scanned through the file, but I can't find MP's part. It > says that he participated, though. The file is 2 1/2 hours long, so > good luck!!!
The show was about six hours long, so it wouldn't surprise me if some or several parts of it aren't at that site.
---- > From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net> > Subject: SOMETHING IMPORTANT / SOMETHING NOT > > Q:"how many guitarists does it take to change a lightbulb?" > A:" 10. 1 to change it and 9 to say they coulda done it better"
"You know, before the show Mike Portnoy came up to me and said, 'You know Dom, guitarists could never do this.' and I said, 'What do you mean?' and he goes, 'They'd kill each other.'" --Dom Famularo
Yet another hilarious take on the cannibalistic nature of us guitarists. (predatory and proud OF it!) Even though this statement was more shrapnel for Dom to fling at guitar players, I good-naturedly applauded along with everyone else because I didn't wholly disagree...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:52:10 +0100 From: e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IRC server problems Message-ID: <9611210752.AA29390@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
Hi everyone !!! Just wanted to tell everyone that I do have major server problems and can't connect to dalnet. So I'll see you all on irc.dreamt.org again (hopefully). Please use my original e-mail in the meantime.
Keep on jamming! Wolf.
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