YTSEJAM Digest 2046
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Einstein?
by Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu>
2) Polls n stuff
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2045
by greg massi <gmassi00@sequent1.providence.edu>
4) N2F: DT Music videos for Awake??
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@ix.netcom.com>
5) Re: Wes Foll's take on Hammet
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
6) fat stogies
by "Monty J. Newberry" <mjnewb@MO.NET>
7) Re: quick one on kevin moore
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2045
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
9) Fates Warning
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
10) This is Silly!
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
11) Spinning out a transcendent mental evaporation
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
12) Returning home to an empty refrigerator and a full stomach
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
13) I live in a year behind everyone else!!!!
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
14) NDTC
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
15) this doesn't belong to the jam
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2043
by "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
17) Re: Nouveaux
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
18) Galactic Cowboys this weekend!!
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:32:38 -0600
From: Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Einstein?
Message-ID: <199611220434.UAA15873@pawn.ax.com>
Rick> Has anybody ever heard of Einstein? According to
Rick> the Strand, they're opening for DT on Dec 12th.
Cool, Einstein huh? Better bring your thinking cap that General
Relativity stuff will blow you away! Hope he opens with the
Photoelectric Effect and then Special Relativity to warm us up with.
*grin*
(Sorry just couldn't help it, can you tell I am a physics graduate
student *evil grin*?)
Jason
+-------------Jason T Breitweg (jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu)------------+
| "The Gods made Heavy Metal and they saw that is was good! |
| They told us to play it louder than Hell, we promised that we would!" |
+---------------=> http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe <=----------------+
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:45:55 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Polls n stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9611212329.C26016-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
> Subject: polls
>
> private email if you want to contribute to the "poll." If, however,
> you can't resist posting your Liszt to the jam, please refrain from
> any commentary as D-Man will get mad at you (and me). Anyway, thanks
> to those who have contributed so far.
Glenn, et al:
I'm terribly sorry if I came across as being angry. That wasn't my
intention. I merely wanted to remind everyone that posting your poll
answers to the list-at-large is a no-no. BTW, I think it's a great idea
for a poll, and I'd like to see the final tally of the results. But
please send answers via e-mail, and not to the Jam. It's merely an issue
of Jam courtesy.
----> From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> > Subject: dis&dat NDTC, but threads > > In this day & age, let us not confuse: > Jeff Beck with Beck > Or > Fish with Phish > The first will be remembered, the last will be forgotten
I must disagree with the second, especially because I live in Phish's hometown of Burlington, VT. I wouldn't say that they're going to be the next Van Halen or anything, but they're a talented band who deserves at least to be recognized as such. IMHO, to equate them with a product such as Beck is unfair.
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> From: David Gamble <dgamble@cs.uop.edu> > Subject: SANGUINE SURROUNDINGS > > This means you Skadz, Mike Bahr, Digital Man....we know you're listening.... > > SANGUINE SURROUNDINGS IS POUNDING AT THE DOOR AND WE WON'T TAKE NO FOR > AN ANSWER!!!!!!!
Oh, ok. But you guys better be good. :)
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> From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) > Subject: some questions and comments > > 3) Is it confirmed that Kevin Moore will be playing keyboards on the new > FW? If it is, that will definitely rule. Still, wouldn't that be kinda > like going back to the kind of music he decided to run away from?
Yeah, but look at it this way. Kevin and the FW guys are friends. FW needed keyboard support. Kevin needed some stuff for his solo recordings. And, I would presume, since Kev has kinda been out of work lately, maybe he needs the extra cash.
Besides, can you think of a keyboard player more suited for FW's type of music?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:41:49 -0500 From: greg massi <gmassi00@sequent1.providence.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2045 Message-ID: <96Nov21.235115est.20929@gateway.providence.edu>
>Oh the irony! To call the Friedman - Hammett debate asinine (sp) and >then go on and on and on about the very debate in question...hmmm :) > Yeah I guess that was pretty stupid and hypocrtical of me but my intention was to try and put an end to the topic and move on to something more important, but I see that will never happen so I'm just going to shut up about it all, I'm not out to make enemies here, just watch it all go by, and stand firm in my own opinion. So having said that let's move on to something more interesting. Does anyone know why Frank Aresti left FW, because I always thought he was pretty cool. My friend gave my " No Exit " for Christmas one year and I love that album very much, not that its the only one I have by them but its my favorite so far. Also, I was wondering if their were any people in the whole Rhode Island area or close by, that might be interested in forming a band, especially people who are in college around here but come from CT, because that would make things so easier. I have a 4-track to do very simple demos, but so I don't drag on and on and on like Glenn pointed out to me, if you are a drummer,bassist,guitarist, keyboardist, just send me a private e-mail and I'll tell you the kinds of things I am looking for in a band. If any of you are big fans of college basketball, watch when Providence College's home games are on ESPN or something and you might just see little old me being the lone guitarist in our pep band. Finally I want to get one thing straight, is DT just doing new material at these shows?
greg
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:07:04 -0500 From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: N2F: DT Music videos for Awake?? Message-ID: <199611220509.VAA18789@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
Does anyone out there have a video recording of any of the videos from Awake? The only one I have is Lie (which was the only one shown in the US, I think). If so, could you e-mail me?
I'm only asking because I'm working on digitizing them into an MPEG format for a CD-R.
Any help is appreciated..... rq
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 23:10:27 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Wes Foll's take on Hammet Message-ID: <329535c226d5349@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
A little more about Hammet/Friedman... (and if you don't care, then just skip this - people are more interested in these posts than your bitching, I would guess)
> metallica had the definite edge in songs.
I don't agree, but that's totally a matter of taste and opinion.
> Megadeth's older stuff before say, RIP, just was sub-par to Metallica.
And again... > And Lar's drumming is not quite up there with the best either
I agree, but I also think that he's definitely one of the better writers in Metallica (or as a friend of mine started calling them after Load, "Alternica")
> To me, a GREAT drummer > is one who can play live situations as accurately and in-time as they do on > hte albums.
To me, a great drummer is one who can go beyond just keeping a beat and add in all sorts of fills (which is why I hate so much new music, with this trend of stripped-down kits). That's what makes Portnoy, John Bonham (Led Zep), Bill Ward (Sabbath), etc. superior. > In summary: Jaymz' riffs have powered what Metallica IS/WAS (fill in your > own blank on that one!) so revered for. When that wasn't there on the Load > album...well...
True. The reason (partial) for the abrubt change in style (or dropoff in quality, if you want to look at it that way) is that James decided to let other people write more (Hammet, in other words) - like what you said about Mustaine w/Megadeth, except that since Mustaine (IMO) is more talented than Hetfield and had (once again, IMO) a more talented band behind him, it ended up as a change for the better, unlike Metallica's case.
-Brian
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/6521 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:28:28 +0000 From: "Monty J. Newberry" <mjnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fat stogies Message-ID: <199611220531.XAA28665@Walden.MO.NET>
>Hanging out, leaning on the railing, nodding his head in time with >the music, big fat cigar in his mouth... What a cool cat. Hmm, sounds like me hangin' outside the Kiel Center before the Rush show. :)
Dale R. Newberry
"The main reason we listen to music in the first placeis to hear passion expressed." -Lester Bangs (I think. I can't even read my own hand writing)
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:02:03 -0500 (EST) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: quick one on kevin moore Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.961122010104.21432A-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, RipZero wrote:
> everyones busting their balls over the fact that kev is playing keys on the > new FW album, but hasnt he been playing keys with them on past albums too? > correct me if i'm wrong.. > ~Rip > > He played with them on one song, At Fates Fands from perfect symmetry...and if you've heard it, you know why everyone's been busting their balls (although i think it a strange choice of metaphor, but okay.)
-max
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:08:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2045 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961122010142.22866A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > D-Man has kindly suggested that anyone with a Top-5 List of > discoveries or rediscoveries send me private email. That is fine, > though I must beg to differ with Chris on the amount of space said > "entries" would take up seeing as how a Top-5 Liszt takes up...5 > lines.
Okay, follow me here...if one list takes up 5 lines, and everybody sends their lists to the jam...I think you see where I'm going here. A while back everybody started posting favorite bands, dream band lineups, least favorite body moisturizers, etc. It got ridiculous. If you think you get a lot of jams per day now, just wait till people post their lists. Chris was trying to be helpful. And he is right in saying that this kind of shit, while at first a novelty, will balloon into foolishness. So let's just nip it in the bud while we can.
Richie
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:57:24 -0500 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961122075724.2d9fbde0@pop.negia.net>
Greetings, Ytsejammers (tm)...
Just wanted to say a quick thank you to everybody here who recommended Fates Warning to me (Rip, that means you especially...:) ). Got my copy of _Chasing Time_ today from CDNow along with some other stuff.
In a word: pretty impressive. (Okay, so that's two words, but you know).
I was just noticing the vocal styles of the two singers featured therein and discovered something interesting: the first vocalist, John Arch, sounds quite a bit like Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden. I like Maiden, so that wasn't a problem, but I was just struck by the similarity.
When I heard the songs with Ray Alder handling vocals, I had to check the CD jacket again: I thought I was listening to Barren Cross by mistake, or something. Once again, not a problem, since I like Barren Cross too, but the vocals were eerily similar. Anybody else notice this?
The musicianship on the disc was superior though. Enjoyable stuff. Thanks to everybody who recommended it; I think I like this.
DT content (though minimal): Thanks to Bafu for the stuff he posted regarding the recent drummers' bash (pun certainly intended). Wish I'd been in your shoes; I'd give a lot to meet Portnoy. Especially since you got to talk with him about the Ytsejam! And the new band you mentioned sounds cool, if they're really as good as you say. If you find out anything else about em let us know!
Cheers, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net * Millennium * Caroline in the City * * Rush * Sandman * Dream Theater * Pittsburgh Penguins * Star Wars * "Jesus saves... ...but Lemieux picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!!!" * Yanni * David Eddings * Michael Whelan * Atlanta Braves * Batman * =========================================================
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:44:56 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: This is Silly! Message-ID: <199611220648.XAA25897@cyberhighway.net>
> On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > D-Man has kindly suggested that anyone with a Top-5 List of > > discoveries or rediscoveries send me private email. That is fine, > > though I must beg to differ with Chris on the amount of space said > > "entries" would take up seeing as how a Top-5 Liszt takes up...5 > > lines. > Okay, follow me here...if one list takes up 5 lines, and everybody sends > their lists to the jam...I think you see where I'm going here. A while > back everybody started posting favorite bands, dream band lineups, > least favorite body moisturizers, etc. It got ridiculous. If you think > you get a lot of jams per day now, just wait till people post their > lists. Chris was trying to be helpful. And he is right in saying that > this kind of shit, while at first a novelty, will balloon into > foolishness. So let's just nip it in the bud while we can. > > Richie
This is not a flame, Richie, I do it, too...(in fact, I'm doing it right now!)
I hope everyone also realizes that this stuff only needs to be posted ONCE! If you cut out these kind of "gripe about the state of the 'jam" posts, you could cut out a 'jam a day! I know this is just another one, but anyone who reads the jam would have gotten the idea the first time. These last 2 posts (and this one) have taken up the bandwidth of about 12 or 13 brief Top-5 lists... This is silliness...
Nuff said... Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by IbnzRG570 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by IbnzRG570. :)
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:28:37 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spinning out a transcendent mental evaporation Message-ID: <329501C5.7795@sprynet.com>
Hey there troops!!
Crimson Glory back together?!?!?!?!?!? If this is true, WOW!! To whoever posted this, where did you get this info? This is great news!!!
As a side note the 1995 poll, I was sitting here thinking about what I would put in my top five of the year when I realized how many cool CDs actually did come out this year. Sure there were no new DT, Queensryche, or fates Warning CDs, but we did get new CDs from Rush, Nevermore (two from these guys!!! "Politics of Ecstasy still rocks and may be my #1 pick!!!), Galactic Cowboys (two from these guys too!), Mr. Big (Hey Man! was very good IMO), Steve Vai, Carcass( two from them too!!), Altura, Lemur Voice,Vicious Rumors, Varga (even though I don't like this one too much), Overkill, iced Earth, Kamelot, King Diamond, Threshold (this may have been out in 95 though), Eric Johnson, Elegy, plus a bunch more I can't recall off the top of my head right now and WORKING MAN. 1995 was a pretty darn good year for CDs now that I think of it.
1996 should prove to be a killer year with hopefully new CDs from DT, QR, Shadow Gallery, Fates Warning, Enchant (well maybe it will get released here!), Nuno Bettoncourt, Savatage (maybe), Threshold, Ivanhoe, Ashen Dawn, and God knows who else I am forgetting.
Well, I just wanted to reflect upon the year in CDs. Hopefully no one will hunt me down and shoot me.
Later
Phillip
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:38:05 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Returning home to an empty refrigerator and a full stomach Message-ID: <329503FD.6EB2@sprynet.com>
Just wanted to bring up a couple of items I've never seen here.
A few months back I wrote a letter to Jens Johansson and metioned his tryout for DT's keyboard spot. Well, I got a letter back from him and he said that he didn't get the spot because "the guitar player didn't like the way I looked." I found this comment to be interesting.Any comments from anyone else in the know?
Another thing. About a year a half ago, a friend of mine who was a Jammer back then told me something about someone who committed suicide while listening to "Space Dye Vest". Does anyone remember anything about this?
One last thing about 1995 and CDs...does Angra's Holy Land count or was it released last year? That's all for today.
Cool CD of the Day: Seventhsign "Perpetualdestiny"
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:50:07 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I live in a year behind everyone else!!!! Message-ID: <329506CF.E67@sprynet.com>
OOps!!!! I feel like a moron now.
In my last two posts i referred to this year as 1995 and next year as 1996!!! Sorry Sorry sorry....man, i feel dumb, dumb, dumb....I really don't live in a different year, my brain is so fried from school and stuff that I wish I was back in 1995 compared to now.....
Sorry for wasting so much space but I felt stupid for that year thing. Oopss.............
Phillip (going back into hiding......)
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:00:38 +0100 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC Message-ID: <v03007800aebb0d4b0e87@[128.178.99.94]>
>oops, i meant to say saud and death, not cynic. sean malone was in >cynic
hey man, getting it all wrong? Sadus more like it. Sean Reinert (xcellent drummer) also from Cynic, no?
............................................. D A V E K I N G b a s s & v o x M T 2 0 p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:12:09 +0100 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: this doesn't belong to the jam Message-ID: <v03007802aebb101cb7e2@[128.178.99.94]>
>Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:19:47 -0500 >From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Re: Lemur voice Home Page >Message-ID: <328FC7C3.73EE@caribe.net> > >Carlos Alfaro wrote: >> >> I tried the url and it didnt work... >He said it wouldn't till next week. So you should start checking from >Monday on till the weekend.
I tried and it works ok. BTW, this sort of stuff should be done off-jam.
Sorry for the cluttering but y'all should know this by now.
............................................. D A V E K I N G b a s s & v o x M T 2 0 p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:51:48 +0000 From: "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2043 Message-ID: <9611221150.AA19247@sphinx>
On 20 Nov 96 at 23:56, ytsejam@ax.com wrote about YTSEJAM digest 2043:
> Hetfield's solos, on the other hand, are awesome, IMO. He doesn't > shred all over the place, and I'm guessing he probably doesn't have > the speed to play the high-energy parts like Kirk (I think I read > that in an interview with him once upon a time) but he has a killer > sense of melody. Had, anyway. I haven't heard much of Load and don't > intend to...it's not what I'm into.
..well there's open mindedness for you... if it wasn't for people being open minded, how far would DT have got so far? How do you know "it's not what I'm into" until you give it a chance? Eddie
Everyone should be a non-conformist. Caffeine/Marlboro: not found. Operator halted...
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:56:07 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Nouveaux Message-ID: <v01520d00aebaf16ca5ec@[207.90.117.79]>
Hey Dale Newberry,
Don't worry, I'm *still* under the impression that they're "Def Leppard" clones. And their new one "And This Is How I Feel" is a Jars of Clay rip-off. Too trendy, if you ask me.
Don't get me wrong, "Beginnings" was cool and all. I saw 'em in concert, and actually shelled out the money for it...but nothing really kept me from selling it later. They are pretty good, though. I guess a listen is worth it...
Just my opinions. Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:59:00 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Galactic Cowboys this weekend!! Message-ID: <v01520d01aebaf223d0e6@[207.90.116.45]>
Is anybody going to the Elgin, IL, GC show on the 23rd???
Dale, are you going like you thought you might??
Anyway, I got off the phone with Wally Farkas (guitarist) and he says that they've got about 25 new songs in the works for a new album (sometime spring 1997). They're going to test out some new songs (about 3 or 4) at the show this weekend!!
Well, if anybody's going, drop me a note. We'll have to meet up and chat...
I'll be wearing my DT AWAKE shirt...and an Astros hat. Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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