YTSEJAM Digest 2051
Today's Topics:
1) girls
by nicole mercedes gerace <lunitaria@worldnet.att.net>
2) eric johnson
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) Re: ack, cobain stuff again
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
4) Re: ack, cobain stuff again
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2050
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Virus (ndtc)
by Scott <anthem@virginia.edu>
7) BS is my name, BS is my game :)
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2050
by greg massi <gmassi00@sequent1.providence.edu>
9)
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
10) Re:
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Guitar Solos + Female 'Jammers
by "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
12) pantera glam
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
13) Birch Hill Directions
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
14) CDEurope update; Spock's Beard?
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
15) 'jammer women
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
16) "Rand-al-thor@goodnet.com" :)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
17) The Mighty Robotech
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
18) alternative
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:18:07 -0500
From: nicole mercedes gerace <lunitaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: girls
Message-ID: <32973FDF.68E1@worldnet.att.net>
wow. apologies to all the other female jammers i missed!! i feel like a
jerk. but at least it got you writing. and no, heather, you are not
chopped liver. no matter what anyone says, i feel that true DT fans are
few and far between, and even fewer are the female fans. good to see
there are some, though.
and it was interesting to read what you all said about the crossovers.
I must admit, i've read only one robert jordan, and it couldn't even
compete with the original DL's. But Rawn, Lackey, and McCaffrey are all
excellent. ;) all women, too. ;)
kay, enough. thanks for responding.
-nicole mercedes
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:25:20 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: eric johnson
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961123182520.006f13f4@mail.inlink.com>
oh man..... i cant quite think of words to describe johnson, really. he
was simply amazing. we got there two hours early and got us front row, just
leaned against the barrier and watched him from about five feet away all
night. its a humbling experience. and adrian legg was the perfect opening
act, if you guys havent heard him you are extremely missing out.
whats more, after seeing johnson, satch, and vai now, and thinking about
this guitar debate lately, i just wanna contribute one thing to it...
:P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
really, why bother to sit and argue how satch crutches his bar and johnson
does this and that and blah blah blah. i enjoyed to the max each and every
one of those guys in concert. i can see where its fun to just argue a bit
for the hell of it, but in the long run the only way to pick a favorite is
personal taste.
if you get the chance, see EJ. and does anyone wanna pick me up a shirt at
a DT show this winter? please? mail me, we can work it out. :)
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:46:09 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ack, cobain stuff again
Message-ID: <199611231849.LAA05725@cyberhighway.net>
>2. People who think it's cool to be "alternative" and express their
>individuality by doing and thinking what somebody tells them "alternative"
The truth is that most of those guys feel the same way about us.
Alot of these "alternative" kids think that we're a cult and hate us
cuz they think that we think that they're stupid. Music's music.
don't try and make me feel stupid because I liked Nirvana and don't
try to make me feel like less of a musician. I still would listen to
Nirvana if Kurt hadn't killd himself. I lost respect for him after
his suicide, but the music is still pretty cool, IMO. You can bash
me all you like but I feel the same way Rip does. If you like the
music, listen to it. If you don't. Don't. If you won't listen to
something because it's trendy and a bunch of kids who you think dress
goofy listen to it, then you're a closed-minded simpleton. God
forbid that any of these people ever listen to DT or else you'll be
forces to burn all DT material and unsub off this list.
In other words, I was only trying to make an objective statement and
you thought you could turn it into a flame war because of your
pompous, holier than thou attitude. Save me the breath and shut the
fuck up.
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:08:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: KorgX3 <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
Subject: Re: ack, cobain stuff again
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961123140554.2454B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Alot of these "alternative" kids think that we're a cult and hate us
> cuz they think that we think that they're stupid. Music's music.
> don't try and make me feel stupid because I liked Nirvana and don't
> try to make me feel like less of a musician. I still would listen to
> Nirvana if Kurt hadn't killd himself. I lost respect for him after
> his suicide, but the music is still pretty cool, IMO. You can bash
> me all you like but I feel the same way Rip does. If you like the
> music, listen to it. If you don't. Don't. If you won't listen to
> something because it's trendy and a bunch of kids who you think dress
> goofy listen to it, then you're a closed-minded simpleton. God
> forbid that any of these people ever listen to DT or else you'll be
> forces to burn all DT material and unsub off this list.
I have to agree. I listen to Nirvana, AIC, Tool, and many other
bands that are "alternative" besides Dream Theater, Rush, and the like.
Does that make me less of a music fan? No. Does it make the person who
critizes my tastes look like a shallow fuck? Yep.
I listen to music because I LIKE IT, not because it's trendy or
the like. if you don't like it, fuck you. Those are my tastes, and no
holier than thou motherfucker's gonna change my mind.
wow. i sure can curse when i'm angry. go figure.
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:24:41 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2050
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961123192441.006f25cc@enteract.com>
>From: WildKoba@aol.com
>Subject: the john petrucci 7 stringed guitar.........................
>...........is a figment of your imagination, whoever brought that up! get
>that shit out your head.
Ease up, dude.
>after the clinic, i got to speak to petrucci's ibanez rep (whatever that
>dipshit's name was), and i asked him about it, and he was like "what are YOU
>talking about?" apparently he had "gone to the bathroom" when whoever it was
>asked petrucci about this jp model 7 string, but he clarified it for me and
>told me that ibanez had NO PLANS of making said signature guitar. he ranted a
>bunch of reasons, one of them alluding to vai getting pissed off about it if
>it happened (NOT a CONCRETE STATEMENT, SO DON'T START RUMORS, OR I'LL KICK
>YOU IN THE PEE PEE), but he convincd me never again.
Unfortunately not all Ibanez reps are only Ibanez reps. Some represent many
companies. This is only ONE reason why the information YOU got could be
flawed. I wasted a summer working at Guitar Center, and as such i have many
friends there. One of these is a big DT fan, and he has spoken directly
with Ibanez (direct enough to get a new set of hardware for his 7 string,
before they released the new black Universe... which if you'd have tried to
do, you'd have realized it was no simple feat) and he asked about 7's coming
out again. They're comment was that since DT was using them, and Korn was
using them, and a lot of little known great players are using them, they
were probably going to re release the lower model (the black one.... only
lower in fretboard inlays) and were considering a JP 7 string model. This
was confirmed at one point that they WERE doing this. It may have been
scrapped.... but that bullshit about Vai getting pissed must have flowed
freely from the rep's bung hole. Vai has said in many interviews that he
was very pleased that Korn and some up and coming bands were reviving the 7
string. Granted my source could be flawed as well... but I think it at
least justified a response. I've met Ibanez reps that didn't know the
difference between the S series and the JS series.
>otherwise, i would have found an ingenius way to trade in my current universe
>for a shiny happy white jp one (btw, anyone here have a white universe for
>trade?).
Don't rule it out yet. Maybe someone will ask JP at the east coast shows.
And my White Universe will NEVER find it's way away from me. : )
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:04:34 -0500
From: Scott <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Vomiting In Digital <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Virus (ndtc)
Message-ID: <v01540b05aebd0782fa53@bootp-246-17.bootp.virginia.edu>
That Internet virus spam the other day said:
> Instead of a destructive trojan virus (most viruses!), this virus,
> referred to as Deeyenda Maddick,
> performs a comprehensive search on your computer,
Now, come on. I can't believe that no one caught this. "Deeyenda
Maddick"?? Go on, pronounce it. Pronounce it so it rhymes with something
like, "the end of my dick." Ooops! Isn't she married to Craven Morehead?
BTW, about these internet viruses, here's the thing: THE WARNING *IS* THE
VIRUS. There is no actual virus-- but the email warnings, passed to tons
of people and mailing lists and pissing people off every damn day, are
really what is wreaking all the havoc. You know, the medium is the
message. That's the whole point of the Good Times Virus and this new
shit-- people pass on the warning to others without it occurring to them
that they are actually helping to proliferate the "virus" itself.
Scott.
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Date: 23 Nov 1996 14:59:26 CDT
From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BS is my name, BS is my game :)
Message-ID: <199611232008.MAA15871@pawn.ax.com>
><< Rachel, Charone, Patricia, the three Jenns, Stacy, Jaime, Anna, hmmmm...
>seems I'm forgetting a few. >>
>There are also Irene, Pam, and a couple others whose names escape me.
>jaimekimpton@vwc.edu
>But anyhow, there are at least a few female jammers here, and it will be
>great to see more join :) I'll do my part to try to convert some :)
>Take care all, Irene
Out of the 5 or 6 people (w/o i/net access) I know that like (not just
tolerate) DT, 2 of them are female. Until they get 'puters, tho, I can't
call them YtseMa'am ;)
BTW, I was groomsman #1 at my friend's wedding last night. I caught the
garter belt. Hmmm....
Mark Peters
big.swifty@twav.com
PS - you forgot Pam the rockin' cabbie and Suz
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:52:26 -0500
From: greg massi <gmassi00@sequent1.providence.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2050
Message-ID: <96Nov23.160204est.20740@gateway.providence.edu>
>My advice before you hand over your $16 (that's the going price for a CD
>in the US yes?) check it out first. This applies especially to the next
>Metallica album. Since it was recorded during the LOAD sessions, it is
>likely that it will be as bad as its predecessor!!!
I have to agree with you here, not about " Load because I personally like
it alot, but that if you are a hard metal fan you are not probably going to
like it. However, my stupid theory that probably isn't right, I'm not right
most of the time anyway it seems,
is that Metallica purposely released " Load " as a way to get all of the
non-heavy metal stuff they had been working on out, sort of maybe testing
their fans, which they have done a lot in the past. From what I've heard of
the other stuff to be released next year sometime, it might just be
different than " Load ". Although I've only heard one song " Devil's Dance",
it didn't have any kind of alternative leanings at all. It kicked, grooved,
and stomped in the Pantera tradition, IMO, with full on palm-muting,
tritones & half-steps galore, and was, IMO, Heavy as S@#$! But that's only
one song, with about 13 more to find out about, so like I said I'm probably
wrong but we'll all find out next year.
greg
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:20:51 GMT
From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: "Papa John's Pizza World Headquarters" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961123161921.3b8fc4e2@pop.pipeline.com>
Cam said:
>Better still don't buy it at all!! I never regretted it and will not
>buy another new Metallica album until I've heard it first!!! At least
>Pantera is consistent in their live show and recordings for heavyness
>and don't confuse their fans. They still have a different sound and
>change from album to album but don't confuse their fans.
Ho ho ho! (visualize a great belly-laugh) Man, I hate to bring this up
again, but Pantera should never be held up as an example of musical
integrity. I bet all the fans who loved glam-era Pantera are mighty confused
about right now. Hmm. Angst is popular. Hmm. Let's change to be heavy. Hmm.
Drugs are cool. Let's change our guitarist's stupid nickname from Diamond to
Dimebag. Hmm. Let's shoot up heroin and then claim to be invincible. To be
fair, I actually enjoy some of the latter-day Pantera recordings, but to use
them as a paradigm for what bands should be like is, at best, laughable.
Oh well.
Kevin
GO WINGS!!
GO PACKERS!!
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:08:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <199611232208.SAA20612@mail.caribe.net>
>integrity. I bet all the fans who loved glam-era Pantera are mighty confused
>about right now. Hmm. Angst is popular. Hmm. Let's change to be heavy. Hmm.
>Drugs are cool. Let's change our guitarist's stupid nickname from Diamond to
>Dimebag. Hmm
Hold on ..hold on.. was Pantera really glam??? Whoa!! Since i first heard
them on vulgar display of power.. i wouldnt know.. um can anyone send a wav
or something w/ glam pantera??! i never thought of pantera as a glam name thou
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
< DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS>
WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend
WoWoW WoWoW WoWoW - Mike Portnoy
Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net Calfaro@dreamt.org
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 22:26:32 UT
From: "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar Solos + Female 'Jammers
Message-ID: <UPMAIL06.199611232227450289@msn.com>
Hey Fellow Jammers,
Being one of the probably few non-musicians amongst you the guitar debate
always interests me from an "outsider" perspective. Personally speaking who is
faster than who doesn't interest me, it is surely what they produce with the
guitar that is more important.One of my favourite guitar solos is "Easter" by
Marillion which is quite pedestrian speed wise but the emotion in it is
amazing and the solo sounds right for the song whereas although I like
Metallica, Kirk Hammett's solos very often dont seem to fit the pace of the
piece of music (notable exception: The Unforgiven). More haste less speed as
the saying goes......
On to the subject of lack of female 'jammers, I can't speak for the U.S. but
over here in the U.K. fans of Progressive/Rock Music male or female tend to
suffer from an image problem i.e. being Nerds,Sad, Social Outcasts etc. and
quite often the reaction I get when people ask what type of music I like is
."Oh, God! Not that Shit!" yet when they actually here what I listen to i.e.
DT the majority are quite impressed and surprised that it is not just a "wall
of sound" that they had been brainwashed into thinking Rock music was. So I
think a lot of potential male/female Rock fans are frightened off by media
stereotypes and never even bother to explore the music. That is why I think
bands like DT will always have a big solid/loyal fanbase but will probably
never break it real big because they are not "trendy" and thank god they are
not!
Death to Boyzone and all other pathetic, talentless boy-bands! Your 15 minutes
is nearly over and DT are here for the duration!
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:31:39 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>, Calfaro@Caribe.net
Subject: pantera glam
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961123223139.00703e9c@mail.inlink.com>
i have a pic of a pantera indie album where they look like they should be in
motley crue. mail me if you want it :)
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:22:06 -0800 (PST)
From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Birch Hill Directions
Message-ID: <199611232322.PAA18425@pawn.ax.com>
Take EXIT 123 ( Rte9 South Sayreville)
Where the hell is that????? How do I get there from the Philadelphia area????
Mike Washkevich
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:21:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CDEurope update; Spock's Beard?
Message-ID: <199611232321.SAA10659@cliff.cris.com>
Another comment on CD Europe. I went off the other day about how steamed
they've made me. Today I did get part of my order from 2 months ago. So they
apparently won't realy rip people off, but they are a bit cantankerous. Like
I mentioned before, my beef with them is that I'm having trouble getting
them to cancel the remaining portion of my order that they can't seem to
fill. But the positive side is that I got from them:
Superior, Behind
Sounds like...... I don't know. They simply sound great.
Mr. So & So, Compendium
Very nice. Should be a hit among Enchant fans. (Thanks Aaron.)
Dalbello, Whore
Reminds me a bit of PJ Harvey and Alanis, in a weird way. Will take some
getting used to. My roommate seems to like it, though. <shrug>
Anybody know where to find Spock's Beard? Only place I've seen it is CD
Banzai, for like 30 bucks (ouch).
Thanks,
-Rick Audet
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 18:45:13 -0000
From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 'jammer women
Message-ID: <199611240245.SAA20965@pawn.ax.com>
Nicole queried in Ytsejam #2047:
>another query - is it really so rare for a female to love DT? I noticed
>one other besides me (i think her name is Jill) on the list, and in my
>area, I am the only chickie. hmmm.......any explanations or ideas?
Maybe I'm skimming too quickly through my 'jams, but I don't seem to
recall any Jill...
There's a fair number of us here. Those who occasionally post are Jaime,
Babs, Jazzmin, Pam, Madelaine, (I hope I'm spelling your name
correctly!), Charone, Rachel, Irene, , Suz, Jen A. et al. The cool thing
is that a number of us are in pretty regular communication with each
other outside of the list. Who knows how many lurk!
I suppose there's multiple hypotheses as to why our numbers are fewer,
but I won't go into 'em all here. We should just be appreciated for the
rare flowers that we are. <g>
As for the shared hobbies idea, you could just as easily extrapolate to
the 'net as a whole.
Dave in #2049:
> I think there are quite a few girls on the list who like Dream
>Theater.
You mean, like 8-year-olds and other pre-pubscent types? ;)
>When I say Mike on "tour" here in Omaha, most of the girls
>there were girlfriends of the guy fans.
Jaime and I discussed this once. We call them "accessory women." :/
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals.
((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our
O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking)
O/ \O
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:16:33 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Rand-al-thor@goodnet.com" :)
Message-ID: <199611240416.AA14751@crl7.crl.com>
> * Fantasy reading. Dragonlance and the Belgariad were cool, but The Wheel
> of Time is easily the peak of fantasy writing. I'd write the rest myself
> if Robert Jordan died.
Ah, look; another convert. :)
> Then there's some more things that some others may relate to...
>
> * Magic: the Gathering
"Flat crack." :)
> * of course, other prog bands. :)
Well, we won't know what bands people like, 'cause we're not allowed
to reveal what our fave CDs are. Such a pity; this is as much a
prog-lover's list as it is a DT list, and I've discovered so much from
seeing what others have enjoyed recently...
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."------------------------------
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:33:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Mighty Robotech Message-ID: <199611240433.AA14866@crl7.crl.com>
> From: kylania <kylania@sr.radiks.net> > > >i have noticed that most of my friends who are into Dream Theater are > >also into the same hobbies outside of music. For instance, we *all* > >read DragonLance, about half of us used to skateboard, and *all* of us > >love anime. has anyone else noticed this? > > Loved Dragonlance, had a skateboard (didn't do well though), and > I LOVE anime! [Paul? ;)] So, yeah, I've noticed. hehe
*sigh* I'm still waiting for tapes from a friend who also wants copies of the series (sans Southern Cross, which he didn't like, go figure :)). When I get them, I'll start running dubs for both of y'all, dual-deck VCR permitting. :)
Stuff owed TO me: - Copy of Rudess/Morgenstern show from Brian Cox (written off) - The same, from Heath Augustover (no biggie; it's a favor to me :))
Stuff owed FROM me: - Copy of Bonedance stuff for Ben Laussade - Copy of Bonedance stuff for Dale Newberry (Status of above: pending receipt of CD from drummer Eric) - Selected DT rarities for Dave Re of Early Warning (lost contact) - Robotech Macross, Southern Cross, Invid War for Dave/Kylania - The above sans Southern Cross for Brian of Bonedance (pending tapes from Brian so I can combine)
....And I think that's it. Ben, Dale, remind me periodically, please. :)
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 23:20:27 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: alternative Message-ID: <3297db1945d8074@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> nirvana and pearl jam really broke that glam > mold
IMO, Pearl Jam is MUCH more musically talented. Or was until they decided to follow the alternative trend - simple, uninteresting guitar, three-piece drum kit to keep beat and nothing more - which to me is the style that Nirvana started, which is why I don't like Nirvana (or recent Pearl Jam). Back at the time of "Ten" and "Nevermind," Pearl Jam did much more. Oh well. I look at them sort of like Metallica - used to be really interesting music, has degenerated since.
-Brian
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/6521 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771
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