YTSEJAM Digest 1948
Today's Topics:
1) I love you guys
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
2) Upcoming burials, Music=Lyrics + Score?
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
3) Re: (WWW generated email)
by Analog Kid <jalfaro@caribe.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1947
by stan tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
5) Really neat quote
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
6) Working Man
by John R Murphey III <murphey@sprintmail.com>
7)
by
8) Lemur Voice and such
by SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
9) Elephant Talk
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
10) "E" bands.............
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
11) schtuff
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1947
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
13) DT and Damage Inc.
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
14) DT pluggin in OZ
by blane@nla.gov.au
15) DT mix CD...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
16) Re: I love you guys
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
17) Racism
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:51:05 -0600
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I love you guys
Message-ID: <m0vF8bL-000TWCC@mis01.micron.net>
I don't mean to get sentimental here, but I am going to anyway:)
Just thought I'd post to make sure all the newbies know how many really
cool people we have on here. For example, I couldn't find LatM, and Dale
posted about seeing it for cheap, so I asked him to get it for me, and he
did. While it was being sent, my parents were skeptical. "Who's to say
this 'Dale' won't just take the money and run?" So I say "He's on the Jam.
He might as well be my brother." They were like "Whatever." Sure enough a
couple days later it arrived. Cool CD i might add.
Also, if for no other reason, the jam is a cool place cause of the
recommendations. I just counted, and I now own 18 albums because of
YtseRecommendations. Of those 18, I liked 94.4% of them, and 77.7% of them
still receive regular rotation in my CD player. I realize that 18 is
probably a small # compared to others, but I don't buy that many CD's.
66 more jams until my 1000 jam anniversary!
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 00:55:28 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Upcoming burials, Music=Lyrics + Score?
Message-ID: <326ac429.11352008@mail.inforamp.net>
Good afternoon,
>Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:41:43 -0400
>From: Tim Caudill <symmetry@usaor.net>
>>Rush has been my favorite band since I bought their first album in 73.
>
>Holy shit, Rick, i didn't realize you were an old dude...(j/k) :-)
Oh yeah! I have one and a half feet in the grave. :)
>Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 02:56:31 -0500
>From: "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
>Well, Rick, I can help you resolve this. Michael specifically said he
>prefers "music" that makes him think. You specifically said "those are all
>things that ... make me think" - talking about lyrics, which are, after
>all, WORDS. Michael is responding to MUSIC, you are responding to WORDS.
>Two different elements of modern music. Case closed.
Not quite. Lyrics are generally assigned melodies, that makes
them musical does it not? I can't separate the two of them. If DT's
music was bubble gum metal from a lyrical perspective, I wouldn't buy
it regardless of their instrumental prowess.
>No disrespect intended at all, but many musicians (myself included) don't
>really care about the lyrics that much - sure, it's great when they are
>intelligent and clever (a la Mr. Peart's) but - hey, we didn't become
>musicians so we could write great poetry, right?
True, but a memorable lyric can do more to get an artist
noticed than great musicianship. Look at Alanis. She is probably the
worst artist to come out of Canada in years, but, one line about
playing tonsil hockey while at the movies and it's millions time! ;)
>We became musicians
>because we felt a need to express ourselves through sound and dynamics,
>through emotion and power, rather than through an ability to turn a phrase.
I'm a guitarist and I agree with the ability to convey emotion
through music is a valid one. But notes can't tell stories of healing
and suffering, of tragedy and triumph and sadness and joy. Only words
can do that. Of course, if you knew the exact references from which an
instrumental was written, you might also form that conclusion but I
think that lyrics are the key illustrator in most songs.
>but lots of people
>can manipulate words - very, VERY few can manipulate musical instruments as
>well as Petrucci, Portnoy, Myung, Moore, Sherinian, and yes, Labrie. (I
>consider the well-trained voice an instrument, too.) Granted, Neil Peart
>is EXCEPTIONAL at BOTH lyrics and his chosen instrument.
It is true that the boys are all marvels at using their
respective instruments. But that wouldn't be enough for me if the
words just couldn't measure up. Consider Steve Vai for a moment. THe
man is one of the premier guitarists of the late 20th century. He's a
great innovator and isn't afraid to take chances. Do I listen to it as
often as I do I&W? Nope. Why? Because instrumentals become boring
after the first two hours of listening. Songs are composed of
instrumental arrangements and lyrics. I don't think you can refer to a
piece as a song without lyrics. If that were the case, we'd be calling
piano concertos, symphonies and every other form of musical expression
a song as well.
When I go through Awake, I refer to all of the tracks as songs
except Erotomania, which I term an instrumental due to it's lack of
vocal content.
Then again, I could just be a bit anal. :)
>Strike me down! Even though I've been listening to and playing Rush tunes
>since 1974, I am that one person. "Meaningful backdrop"? Hmmm - let me
>think - uhhhh - nope. I think one of my drummers may have felt that way,
>but not me. Rush is kewl, I love the lyrics, I dig the music, but - IMHO -
>they do not compare to DT. Sorry. All you Rush freaks, please note and
>respect the IMHO.
Opinion respected. You don't need the IMHO. If you state it, I
think we'll gather it's your opinion. :)
Well, you may be that person, but I'm sure many people have
one artist who they identify with due to the lyrical content of the
material.
The point about DT from a technical standpoint is well taken,
but I can't say that I'm always in the mood for something like Met. I
like the track, but I find that the length of the solo section
obscures it's mythical lyrics. Also, when you write an instrumental
passage like that into a song, and then write a sequel, there is
always a need to try to outdo what you did the first time. I'm not
sure they can do that, particularly if they use the same melody as the
basis for Met II. Personally, I hope it sounds nothing at all like the
first part. Derivative media bores me, whether in music or film.
Of course, I wouldn't want DT to simplify their sound in the
slightest. I look for that "how the F*** did he play that" element in
their music. It's the primary reason I'm a Dreamer in the first place.
:)
>BTW, I hope you and your wife are doing well and getting through the
>medical crap - I know how difficult it can be.
Yup. Sue's doing very well and should be back at work on
Nov.1.
My heartfelt thanks to those of you who have welcomed her to
IRC with open arms. :)
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:28:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Analog Kid <jalfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: (WWW generated email)
Message-ID: <199610210128.VAA08522@mail.caribe.net>
At 03:03 PM 10/20/96 -0700, you wrote:
>asdf Subscribe ytsejam (Curtis Hanba)
>
>
HAHAHAHAH WUSS!
Uh.. nacho queso
Jalfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:13:48 +0000
From: stan tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1947
Message-ID: <326A960C.781B@earthlink.net>
. . . just picked up Lemur Voice for 6 bucks. what a great disc,
> awesome band. would have to agree the singer is a tad whiny but the
> music kicks ass. 6 bucks, great music, does life get any better.
>
You SUCK - 6 bucks! - I just paid $16 online and have to wait for it to get
here. Where did you find it?
p.s. you don't really suck, AFAIK.
actually, it was wierd, i was looking for it but not at the time i found it. i
stumbled across it and was very happy . i found it in some really small
store in new jersey, it was there only copy. hahahahahahahahah:)
cheers
stan
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:56:12 -0600
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Really neat quote
Message-ID: <m0vF94k-000RVAC@mis01.micron.net>
I recently came across a quote I thought y'all might enjoy.
Music is a gift we all share equally. Whether we create it or simply
listen, it's a gift that can soothe, inspire, and unite us, often when we
need it most-- and expect it least.
That WR KJLB pic RULZ! (How's that for a well-crafted sentence?)
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:38:01 -0700
From: John R Murphey III <murphey@sprintmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Working Man
Message-ID: <326AF019.2CA@sprintmail.com>
Beware
What you are about to read is a virgin post.
What is everyone's opinion on their first listen to "Working Man"? Given
that 7 of the 13 had DT input, and we all know of the influence of Rush
on DT....
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For what it is worth, this is what i got out of my first listen:
Good crunch: Working Man and By-Tor
Not as inspiring as it might seem: Analog and Trees
Steve and Mike would be the start of a nice band: Villa
No real thrill: Mission
Surprisingly good: Anthem (I like this better than the orig! Should I
listen to Slaughter more often?)
Lost arrangement: Jacob's
I love FW: Closer
One of my fav's, but the original still has all the grit: Nat Sci
Always a crowd pleaser, just play the tune: YYZ (amazing how even Stu
Hamm doesn't seem to be as light on the strings as Geddy)
No inspiration with this one: Red Barchetta
Not bad at all: Free Will
Just like every Rush CD (or even tribute) I am sure this will grow on
me, but I curious as to what other people thought about this. Hope this
will get some good conversation going...
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:42:50 -0500
From: SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lemur Voice and such
Message-ID: <19961021014249988.AAA76@SandS>
Hey, guys!
Just got "Insights" today. Paid $15 for it at Ball-buster. Whoever got it
for $6, you made me very unhappy. :( But I'm stuck in the town without a
Best Buy! Whine! Anyway, this CD rocks the house! I would agree that
Gregoor sounds IMO a LOT like Steve Perry. This is not necessarily a bad
thing. Anyway, I was interested in some of the other Magna Carta offerings.
Naturally, I've heard lots about Shadow Gallery, Enchant, and Altura. A
little about Magellan. But what about Tempest, Cairo, and World Trade?
Anybody know anything about them? Or how 'bout any of their other tribute
albums? I know about Working Man. You can e-mail privately if you want.
BTW, to go way back, my gf and I were on a trip, and she complained 'coz all
I brought to listen to was Rush, DT, QR, and Yes. Ha! I laughed. One of
these days, she'll wise up, and her eyes shall be opened to the wonder that
is prog rock!
Cya, Shane Hunziker
*************************************************************************
* Shane Hunziker 12625 Coursey Blvd., #1046 *
* SandS@mail.challenger.net Baton Rouge, LA 70816 *
*************************************************************************
* "In with the ashes or up with the smoke from the fire, with wings up *
* in heaven, or here, lying in bed, palm of her hand to my head, now *
* and forever curled in my heart and the heart of the world." - Dream *
* Theater, "Wait for Sleep"
*************************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:46:29 -0700
From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Elephant Talk
Message-ID: <199610210146.SAA26968@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
>TO THE ASSWIPE THAT POSTED THE RACIST JOKE ON THE JAM:
>Go fuck yourself you racist bastard. I am not a WASP and I find racist
>jokes to be offensive.
Charlie:
Very nice choice of words, your tact and diplomacy are......... absent. You
should not be so quick to take offense at these jokes. Every ethnic group
has been on the receiving end of off-color jokes from time to time. Why
should you be shown special treatment? The African American and Hispanic
communities are known for being a "squeaking wheel" in political and social
realms for whatever reason. Because of this we have strife and dissension.
Perhaps if one would not make a big deal about their ethnic origin they
would become more accepted in society. Just let it lay, take it with a grain
of salt and go on. If you are not a part of the aforementioned groups this
advice stills applies. If you can't laugh at yourself, someone else will.
I mean no offense by this reply, I'm only making a suggestion to enable you
to enjoy the varied dialouges we experience here on the Jam.
Michael C.
Let's sing the Kookaburra song!... Altogether now..... Kookaburra
sitting in the ole gum tree eatin all the gum drops he can see.......
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:48:10 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "E" bands.............
Message-ID: <326AD65A.39A2@earthlink.net>
>I have to agree - I listened to it over and over, at least 20 or 30 times,
>and I only liked it LESS! Sure, these are skilled musicians, but I dunno,
>they just don't come close to DT. We are spoiled! I fell the same way
>about Enchant - wimpy, wimpy, wimpy! My Esteemed Opinion - don't waste your
>cash on the "E" bands!
>Larry
Then you guys have obviously never heard of ELDRITCH!!!!!!!! I agree
about ECHOLYN and ENCHANT, but....you must get ELDRITCH "Seeds of
Rage"!!!!!!!!!!!! ELDRITCH ELDRITCH ELDRITCH ELDRITCH!!!!! They are
Italian and on Empire Records (same as ANGRA) I have never been so
floored by a band's debut than this one!! Tons of guitar/keyboard shred
solos all over the place..great time changes, etc, etc.
cheers,
Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
--
_
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"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
|_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:34:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: schtuff
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610202220.L8860-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: YtseShirts!
>
> Well, yesterday was Sweetest day... the mother of Hallmark Holidays.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that Hallmark just invents these damned
things every year to sell more cards? WTF is Sweetest Day?? I have
never even heard of that!
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> From: jrbower@iastate.edu
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1946
>
> Hey, I don't know where my head was at, but I'd like to thank the dude who
> sent me the FAQ. I posted this on here to prove that people are civil to
> well behaved newbies. =)
You're very welcome. :)
----
> From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
> Subject: Help Pat Griffin and Join the Club.
>
> Pat mentions in his Web ad that his shirts are "near" concert quality. No
> Way! His shirts, IMO, are FAR BEYOND concert T quality, and well worth the
> $16 plus shipping. The tee is Fruit Of The Loom "Loftees", which is
Yup. Top notch stuff. Buy one now.
----
> From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
> Subject: Rush opening show for TFE
>
> Never caught up with D-Man though.
You should have had better seats. :)
"Driven to the edge of the seventh row..."
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 23:33:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1947
Message-ID: <199610210333.XAA08587@atl1.america.net>
>>hehe, tell him to look you in the face and hold up the inner jacket picture
>>of Queensryche in Rage For Order and tell you they're not cock rock and dt
>>is. then whip it out, piss all over the guy, and say "now THAT'S cock rock"
>>then kick him in the nuts for me and say "and THAT'S cock rock" then crank
>>"the mirror" and say "it may rock your cock, but it aint cock rock!"
Hmmm....I just happened to be listening to this VERY song when I read this
post...destiny? Fate? I think so....
GO BRAVES!!!!! 12 to 1 in game one!!!!!!!!!
(It sux being both a die hard Yanks AND Braves fan...but I have to go for
the hometeam)
Beavis (Wes Foll)
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"What is, is.
What is not, is not.
What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 23:36:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT and Damage Inc.
Message-ID: <199610210336.XAA09370@atl1.america.net>
Hey, on an earlier post, someone said something about DT doing a cover of
Metallica's Damage Inc....anyone know about this? I MUST get the boot with
this on it!!!!!
Beavis (Wes Foll)
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"What is, is.
What is not, is not.
What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:57:11 +0000
From: blane@nla.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT pluggin in OZ
Message-ID: <199610210400.OAA29879@email.nla.gov.au>
Greetings disciples of the Jam,
One of my friends in Canberra, Australia, is about to get his own
radio slot, about 30-45 mins, on a local station. He will only be
playin' prog *cheer*. I am going to try to get a back to back slot
with him so we can blast over a hour of prog/DT each week into the
ears of Canberrans. More recruits are on the way!!
Brt
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 00:00:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT mix CD...
Message-ID: <199610210400.AAA02983@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, I got my newest set of Mike Bahr CDs (WDATU, Antiquities, SFAM,
CM) and as always, very impressive.... well worth the wait,
especially since the first set got lost in the mail :(
Anyway, as I am listening, noticing all of the various forms of ACOS
that I have (instrumental only, Cintron version, LaBrie audition, DoE
version, and release version), I decided it was time to test out the
audio portion of my new CD burner, and I must say, the evolution of
ACOS is very impressive, when comparing the version that I used
(Cintron, DoE, release... unfortunatly, I couldn't fit another
version onto the CD)... I still think that the Cintron version is
one of my favorite versions... (that and release version) I wonder
where DT would be if they had chosen him instead of James LaBrie...
Anyway... just wondering what other people's opinions of the varios
versions were...
--
+--------------------------------+--------+-------------------------+
| Driven to the margin or error | Rush | Michael Burstin |
| Driven to the edge of control | Driven | Brandeis University |
| Driven to the margin or terror |--------+-------------------------|
| Driven to the edge of a deep, dark hole | Lets go Pens & Steelers |
+-----------------------------------------+-------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:08:11 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I love you guys
Message-ID: <199610210413.WAA23542@cyberhighway.net>
> Also, if for no other reason, the jam is a cool place cause of the
> recommendations. I just counted, and I now own 18 albums because of
> YtseRecommendations. Of those 18, I liked 94.4% of them, and 77.7% of them
> still receive regular rotation in my CD player. I realize that 18 is
> probably a small # compared to others, but I don't buy that many CD's.
I second that emotion! Before I joined the jam, I was still into
stuff like Nirvana and Pearl Jam. I can't remember where I found out
about the jam but I signed up anyway (this was 2 years ago, BTW).
After that, recommendation about other bands came flying from
everywhere. FW, Marrilion, QR, etc. Everntually it prompted me to
better myself as a musician and listen to a greater variety of music.
After college I lost my account. I've rejoined now and the benefits
that were one lost to me have been regained. Now I'm bombarded with
SG, Enchant, LV, and more. But, now I'm as broke as ever. So I'm
debating whether this is a curse or a benevolent gift.
Whatever... Keep those recommends coming. I can take it!
Thanks, guys!
Chuck Reis a.k.a. "The Other Ibanez"
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"I feel kinda spooky..."
-- The Silent Man
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:08:11 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Racism
Message-ID: <199610210413.WAA23535@cyberhighway.net>
> >TO THE ASSWIPE THAT POSTED THE RACIST JOKE ON THE JAM:
> >Go fuck yourself you racist bastard. I am not a WASP and I find racist
> >jokes to be offensive.
If it's any consolation, I didn't even understand the joke. And
please noone E-mail me to clarify it. I don't wanna take part in any
racist inflammations. But let me make one. I totally agree with Charlie.
Who says you can't be white and not shave your head and be a fucking
dumbass who has to use political propaganda to cover up for his incompetence?
Now, if someone would mail me privately and explain to me what that
just meant, I would be greatful. :-)
Fuck Racism! Down with militiamen! Kill the cows! Er, yeah...
(Sorry, I usually don't cus this much)
Chuck Reis a.k.a. "The Other Ibanez"
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"I feel kinda spooky..."
-- The Silent Man
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