YTSEJAM Digest 1946
Today's Topics:
1) TOTALLY Non-DT
by "Mike Patrick" <mpatrick@netusa1.net>
2) Why Chris Collins got the boot..
by Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
3) Re: Carpe Diem
by Martin1880@aol.com
4) Ytsejam Information
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1945
by Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
6) Re: Recruitment of New Blood
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
7) ia jammers
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@andorra-c.it.earthlink.net>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1944
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
9) de-what?!
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
10) cock rockin' :)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) Re: good spelling
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
12) Re: TOTALLY Non-DT
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
13) simply put, they hurt my brains big time
by WildKoba@aol.com
14) Address correction...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 22:24:58 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mpatrick@netusa1.net>
To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: TOTALLY Non-DT
Message-ID: <199610200136.VAA01869@gatem02.netusa1.net>
Hey all,
Been away from the 'jam for over a year, but I'm back in the fold. Still
the same old faces here, which is good to see.
Hey, does anyone want to buy my Echolyn 'As the World' for around $5? I
just CANNOT get into it at all, and I've tried. God, how I've tried.
I did just get Stabbing Westward's latest. Why are they never mentioned
here? Hey, it's like cheery NIN, only better. What a great album.
FINALLY got SG's 'Carved in Stone'. Don't know. A little gothic at times
- not as complex musically as I had been led to believe. I think about ten
more listens are in order.
Finally, is I Mother Earth as great as I think they are? I saw them open
for DT in Chicago, and while most the DT fans there looked as if they could
have cared less, I thought IME could lock into a HUGE groove. They blew me
away. The sounds samples on their web page from 'Scenery and Fish' are
great. Tell me I need to buy this one.
Lastly, is anyone here into Midnight Oil? How is their new one. Love
their last one. And you can forget Rush, DT, etc. There is NO better live
band on the planet than the Oils.
Sorry no DT content (unless you want to hear my usual musings about John
Myung's great bass playing and SHITTY bass tone).
Mike
mpatrick@netusa1.net
mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 23:03:47 -0400
From: Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Why Chris Collins got the boot..
Message-ID: <199610200303.XAA26483@usa.nai.net>
>Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 11:16:00 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Cunning Linguist <skooc@earthlink.net>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Re: Charlie Dominici (major DTC)
>Message-ID: <199610191816.LAA05203@norway.it.earthlink.net>
>
>At 12:48 AM 10/19/96 -0700, you wrote:
>QUESTION: Does anyone know why when Majesty changed their name that they got
>Charlie to sing instead of keeping Chris? I happen to really like his voice
>and was surprised when I first heard his stuff with Majesty that they didn't
>keep him around.
Well, from what I've hard, Chris Collins had quite a poor stage presence...
If you've heard any LIVE majesty like from the No Sleep Since Brooklyn CD,
or from bootleg tapes, you get the picture.. Just listen to when he introduces
the rest of the band ... "Mike Portnoy on the set...john myung on bass,
Kevin moore on keys, john petrucci on guitar.. and this chris collins comin'
at cha ..." ...and when he introduces "march of the tyrant"... ok you get the
picture..He wasn't that much of a frontman for them.
I think there was at least a 2 year interval from the time that Chris Collins
got the boot and when Charlie D. came in. It was apparently a pretty extensive
search for a new singer..
Hope this helps,
Tim
axe@nai.net
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 23:12:46 -0400
From: Martin1880@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Carpe Diem
Message-ID: <961019231245_337465451@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Does anyone know if it is still possible to get a hold of the Carpe Diem,
bootleg?
Thanks
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:00:03 -0400
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytsejam Information
Message-ID: <199610200400.AAA01045@wicked.stigmata.org>
(IF THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE SEEING THIS POST, PLEASE
READ IT THROUGH COMPLETELY, THERE IS ALOT OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION)
Hey All ....
Here is my new weekly posting about how to get the most
(or least if you don't like us) out of the ytsejam. This will
be coming out weekly (hopefully) at least for a while since we are
quickly gaining subscribers since school is now back in session.
I may post it less often after a while, but for now, it will be
weekly.
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and I do administrative work, but I do not say what can/cannot
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Basically, that is all the basic info. As always, if you have any
problems feel free to mail me. I get ALOT of mail on a daily basis,
so it sometimes takes me a while to get back to you, but 99% of the
time, I will get back to you eventually.
Thanks for Reading and Enjoy the List!!!
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skadz@dreamt.org
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:07:57 +0000
From: Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1945
Message-ID: <32696D5D.2992@earthlink.net>
I am a little slow on some things but it took a while to find this
one, just picked up Lemur Voice for 6 bucks. what a great disc,
awesome band. would have to agree the singer is a tad whiny but the
music kicks ass. 6 bucks, great music, does life get any better.
cheers
stan
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:33:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Recruitment of New Blood
Message-ID: <199610200433.AAA13422@beasley.cris.com>
>>we all want DT to reach more people. But I wonder - what is
>>the best way to accomplish this? I think that a good way is to start
Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
>I think the first tune you should turn them onto is "UAGM" then go for
>"Surrounded," because it's kinda mainstream, and doesn't have a lot of
>meter-shift. Then hit some heavier stuff to show versatility, ala "Lie,"
>or "the Mirror.".....
A month ago or so I put together for my girlfriend what I called "The
Official DT Conversion Mix". Of course, it ain't official at all, but here's
what I managed to squeeze onto a 90 or so minutes cassette:
Side One:
1.Wait for Sleep
2.Learning to Live
3.Surrounded
4.Another Day
5.Space-Dye Vest
6.To Live Forever
7.The Silent Man
8.Eve
Side Two:
1.Scarred
2.The Mirror
3.Lie
4.Metropolis Pt.1
5.Take The Time
6.Lifting Shadows off a Dream
You see, I tried to put tunes that are more accessible to a first-time
listener on side one, sort of a "get your feet wet" effort. Then a heavier
dose is on side two. LSoaD is on side two because it was short enough to
squeeze into the leftover tape. I'd have put PMU if there were enough tape,
just because it rocks and is very listenable.
Can't say I haven't tried to recruit. By the way, the music is slowly yet
surely growing on her. I due time, we will have another..........
-Rick
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\****************** Richard S. Audet ******************/
/*************** ytse@cris.com ****************\
\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ****/
/********* University of Florida *********\
\***** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ****/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:50:09 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@andorra-c.it.earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ia jammers
Message-ID: <199610200542.WAA10418@hungary.it.earthlink.net>
On 19 Oct 96 at 6:47, ytsejam@ax.com spewed forth the following
words:
> From: Jeremy Bower <jrbower@iastate.edu>
> P.S. Does anyone know if they are coming to The Mark in the Quad Cities
> or Five Seasons in Cedar Rapids Iowa? The closest so far is Minneapolis.
no way!! another iowa jammer! WOOOO! :) they're not playing any
venues in iowa last time i checked... your best bet is Minneapolis.
a friend of mine saw them play at the Five Seasons Center in the
early 80's... he hung around after the show and got to meet one or
two of the band members... don't recall which ones off hand.
anyways, they told him that they'd never play that venue again due to
the poor acoustics.
just roadtrip. ames to minneapolis isn't too bad of a drive. :)
i'd be at the show if it wasn't for this little nuisance called work.
blech.
Andrew Miller - Keyboardist/Vocalist - SubtleRage
http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage - subtlerage@earthlink.net
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:46:55 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1944
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961020054655.006d277c@enteract.com>
>From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
>To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: RUSH SPOILER
You could have just said "This is the Rush set list and you DON'T want to
read this if you're going to the show. People didn't know what it was they
"weren't supposed to be reading, so while I really appreciate the list of
tunes (it's cool to see what I'm missing!) that coud have been posted
without eating the whole jam.
>From: Cunning Linguist <skooc@earthlink.net>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Re: "The Ones Who Help To Fuck Up The 'Jam"
>>Just compare the "Most Frequent Poster List" of the Ytsejam and the
>>Freaks-list (Marillion) on my homepage... Look at the amount of digests
>>and messages... Both lists are on the same server and have almost the
>>same amount of subscribers (there are even *more* Freaks than Jammers!).
>>
>>> Grow up.
>>
>>Shut up. ;-]
>>
>Look Mark, if you don't like it here, then leave already! I've been on and
>off this list for over a year now and it seems all you ever do on this list
>is bitch about EVERYTHING! When I post, 99% of my posts don't have anything
>to do with DT, but that's because most of the others here know a hell of a
>lot more about the band then I do so I'm not going to interject something I
>know has been discussed a million times or I don't know anything about. If
>you like Freaks, then that's great. I'm sure it's a fantastic list, at least
>that's what I hear. But enough with the "Freaks is much better than the Jam"
>crap. You are such a whiny snivler, why don't you just go away!
>>Hah :-) I, for one, *already* skip 98 % these days... Only 2 % more
>>and I'm off the list...
>Here's hoping that 2% gets here QUICK!
You're the jag off that used to always say "I tried to get off the list, and
the commands didn't work, so I stuck with it"... I don't see where ypu get
off saying shit like this. I've been on this list for quite a while now,
and I have NEVER seen Mark complain in an uncalled for manner. You on the
other hand...
Man... I thought you chiklled out on the time you spent not posting. It
appears you've just become more of a prick. I guess we should get off the
list if there's something we like more than DT. We mustn't be allowed to
cheer on other bands. No sir. In the words of the great poet... what's his
name...
You're Being a Dick.
"I'm afraid of politicians who have no hobbies." - A.R.U.
Christopher Ptacek EnterAct, L.L.C. We don't suck.
We now have proof.
http://www.enteract.com (312) 248-8511
"#1 ISP in the Midwest, #3 in the USA."
- C|Net (http://www.cnet.com)
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:39:19 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: de-what?!
Message-ID: <199610200644.BAA04814@Walden.MO.NET>
>Whew! I've gotta switch to decaff
<short snip>
>Cheers,
>Rick
>Toronto
BLASPHEMER!!!!!!! Decaf is of the devil. :) Well anyway, that is
interesting about the comments on WM. I never did take part in the
debate (that I can remember :), but I did have thoughts on it.
Man, my "hard-core" friend here called DT a "cock rock" band again
the other night. Don't get up in arms. he's taken care of,
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
It is interesting, though. I was playing him part of Vai's Fire
Garden stuff. He thought it was "that cock rock" band again (I
hadn't told him who it was ahead of time). I told him it was the new
Vai. He then said, "Oh, I sort of like some of his stuff." BTW,
this guy digs Queensryche, too, but thinks that Maiden's glam and
DT's cock rock. Whatever... . Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:49:18 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: cock rockin' :)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961020064918.006bfd40@mail.inlink.com>
>
>It is interesting, though. I was playing him part of Vai's Fire
>Garden stuff. He thought it was "that cock rock" band again (I
>hadn't told him who it was ahead of time). I told him it was the new
>Vai. He then said, "Oh, I sort of like some of his stuff." BTW,
>this guy digs Queensryche, too, but thinks that Maiden's glam and
>DT's cock rock. Whatever... . Cheers.
>
hehe, tell him to look you in the face and hold up the inner jacket picture
of Queensryche in Rage For Order and tell you they're not cock rock and dt
is. then whip it out, piss all over the guy, and say "now THAT'S cock rock"
then kick him in the nuts for me and say "and THAT'S cock rock" then crank
"the mirror" and say "it may rock your cock, but it aint cock rock!"
:)
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:50:34 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: good spelling
Message-ID: <199610200656.AAA23018@cyberhighway.net>
> From: Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
> > BTW, you spelled DREAM THEATRE wrong - it's supposed to be DRAEM THAETER .
> > . . hehe. . . dumbass
> hahahahahah, draemm thaeter or is it tream dheater
I dunno who the dumbass is but the Anagram Generator says either
"Meat Threader" or "Retreated Ham"
Chuck Reis a.k.a. "The Other Ibanez"
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"I feel kinda spooky..."
-- The Silent Man
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:50:34 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: TOTALLY Non-DT
Message-ID: <199610200656.AAA23014@cyberhighway.net>
> Hey, does anyone want to buy my Echolyn 'As the World' for around $5? I
> just CANNOT get into it at all, and I've tried. God, how I've tried.
Not me dude. Doesn't it make you feel like you've let the whole jam
down when they recommend an album you don't like. You know that
someone's gonna rip you on this, so I'll back you up. Of course I'll
just give mine away when I think I know someone who'll like it...
BTW, Welcome back
Chuck Reis a.k.a. "The Other Ibanez"
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"I feel kinda spooky..."
-- The Silent Man
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 02:58:51 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: simply put, they hurt my brains big time
Message-ID: <961020025851_1581487302@emout15.mail.aol.com>
so i just got back from the rush show, and i just have to say that neil
peart's drumming so hurt my brain, that i think he left one of his sticks up
my ass.
but to tell you the truth, as much as i happen to be in excruciating pain,
i'm beginning to like his stick up there.
seriously, it was a real good show. some unexpected tune selections, they
could have played a little longer in the 2nd half and stuck to more older
shit (the deal that the first half is all new shit and the second all old is
just that, bullshit- they split it up quite thruout).
GO SEE THEM! YOU WILL LOVE THEM!
plenty more to talk about, but another day.
****************************************************************
david kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
dkoba8375@aol.com
"energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp
"the present-day composer refuses to die." -e. varese
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 04:30:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Address correction...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961020041247.27519A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Well, looks like there was a small oversight in my shirt updates...
namely my address was in there as 573 instead of 537. I'd like to thank
Bafu for pointing that out to me... Anyhow, please send requests to:
Pat Griffin
537A Hudson Hall
1202 E Rollins St.
Columbia, MO 65201
If you sent something to 573, don't worry, it's a small dorm, and I run
the computer labs, so everyone knows me, I'll still get the mail.. :)
Also, if you're going to order, try to do it soon... I have to sell 16
more before then end of the month to pay off the shirt company, after
that I can take my time paying back my friend for his loan.
15 orders shipped out on Wednesday, and I recieved confirmation on 1/3 of
them already, so things seem to be going pretty smoothly... I'll try to
get a new update out early next week...
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| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
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