YTSEJAM Digest 1945
Today's Topics:
1) Recruitment of New Blood
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
2) Re: Charlie Dominici (major DTC)
by Cunning Linguist <skooc@earthlink.net>
3) Re: "The Ones Who Help To Fuck Up The 'Jam"
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
4) Stabbing Westward Florida Appearance (NDTC)
by Xphilefan@gnn.com (David Joseph Kostura)
5) stuff
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
6) kevin moore = dt related?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
7) Re: Charlie Dominici (major DTC)
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
8) Re: Stabbing Westward Florida Appearance (NDTC)
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1930
by Charles D Harrison <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
10) Rush in NYC?
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
11) NDT: G3 Show Length?
by Stephan Dobay <sdobay@arthur.umd.edu>
12) Re: Charlie Dominici (major DTC)
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
13) YKYADTFW
by vanzin@dks.com.br
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1944
by Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
15) good spelling
by Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
16) The Chronicles of Syrinx
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
17) bungle
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
18) Re: Phish, and tomorrow's Rush show
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1944
by jrbower@iastate.edu
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1944
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
21) I love the 'Jam !
by CPRS92A@prodigy.com (MR JAN-MICHAEL SOUTER)
22) Re: NDT: G3 Show Length?
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 11:12:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Recruitment of New Blood
Message-ID: <199610191812.LAA21504@acme.csusb.edu>
>we all want DT to reach more people. But I wonder - what is
>the best way to accomplish this? I think that a good way is to start
>with
>the DT covers on ACOS - you know, stuff that people are familiar with,
>then work your way to the soft Space Dye Vest kinda stuff. Then you ease
>them into I&W. Then you reach for WDADU. I've never made it that far,
>that is why I think that I am doing something wrong.
I think the first tune you should turn them onto is "UAGM" then go for
"Surrounded," because it's kinda mainstream, and doesn't have a lot of
meter-shift. Then hit some heavier stuff to show versatility, ala "Lie,"
or "the Mirror." I've won quite a few over with strategies akin to this,
including my musical-neophyte girlfriend, who is now an avid and versed DT
fan. (it took me a while, though, to get her to know what the songs wer
called... INPUT!!! too Much INPUT!!!) However, I have managed to ruin
her for all other music but prog... She gets bored by the lack of meter
changes... go figure...
Also... BAFU-- I can't stop laughing!!!
--Progressivity... i like that word.
CUL8R--
ProgRockBoy
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 11:16:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cunning Linguist <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Charlie Dominici (major DTC)
Message-ID: <199610191816.LAA05203@norway.it.earthlink.net>
At 12:48 AM 10/19/96 -0700, you wrote:
>One last thought...how many feel that Charlie D was not that bad of a
>singer. It is obvious who has more talent and training. But Charlie does
>not lack on the feeling aspect. Only a Matter of Time is my favorite DT
>song and the Killing Hand definitely stirs my emotions. Does any body
>agree? Does anybody know what he is up to nowadays?
I don't know what he's doing these days, but I agree whole heeartedly about
Charlie. Comparing him to LaBrie is like comparing a Ferrari to a Miata, but
I think he's not NEARLY as bad as a lot of people make him out to be. I'm
going to commit Ytse-suicide here and admit to the whole jam that WDADU IS
my favorite DT album. The quality of the disc isn't like the other releases,
but they didn't have the money to make it with like they've had with the
others. I like the fact that there are NO ballads on the record and I just
think the band sounds better than they have on anything they've done since.
I'm aware that som e prog snobs and others who think they know more about DT
than I do and tell me how wrong I am, but I'm not. To me, WDADU rules! That
doesn't mean I don't like their other CD's, because I love ALL their stuff,
but I just like their first CD best.
QUESTION: Does anyone know why when Majesty changed their name that they got
Charlie to sing instead of keeping Chris? I happen to really like his voice
and was surprised when I first heard his stuff with Majesty that they didn't
keep him around.
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:22:26 -0500
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: "The Ones Who Help To Fuck Up The 'Jam"
Message-ID: <32692A72.7585@caribe.net>
Carlos Alfaro wrote:
>
> um wait a sec.. who was talking to me..and what was he saying?? maybe i
> shouldnt skip so much jams!! .. hehe .. no really.. if im involved in this i
> want to know..
Told ya not to skip'em didn't I? This whole thing started when you
replied
to that dude about which DT CD was better.
Kain
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:19:58
From: Xphilefan@gnn.com (David Joseph Kostura)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stabbing Westward Florida Appearance (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199610191826.OAA28134@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
Hello all,
Just thought I might post this, as I know some of you out there are
interested in the band. They are going to be playing November 1st
at the University of Central Florida Arena here in Orlando, as part
of UCF's homecoming concert. They are the headliners, and there
are 4 other bands on the list: Dishwalla, Blue Tones, Ash, and
Refreshements. Who knows who the heck these other bands are,
probably local stuff or regional stuff. Anyway, showtime starts at
7pm, and tix are $17.50, however, I am an alumni, and tix are only
$12.50, I am probably gonna go, and if anyone wants me to get them
discounted tix I'd be glad to.
Your Jammin' Friend
Joseph
"Love is the dance of eternity." -(Metropolis) -DT
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:25:49 -0600
From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <32691D2D.1CE6@micron.net>
Hi-just answering a question:
>
> Any idea who is opening for RUSH?
no-one-its an "Evening with Rush" !!!! Hopefully they'll get close enuf
here for me to go!!
Keep rockin'
Pam
--
Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton
_____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace
</__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o THE INTERNET
0 0 E-mail:
cwheaton@micron.net
URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:31:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: kevin moore = dt related?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961019143036.26575A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
i hate to take up such unvaluable space, but...
....will ken mcwatters please e-mail me? thanks.
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Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant
email: syrinx@dreamt.org
mostrich@worldnet.att.net
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..and once you gift the gift away there's nothing you can do
about it. nothing that you do or say can change the way i feel about
it. try to look inside of me to find the gift that i am giving. glad
you had a chance to see the gift that i'm delivering."
- bob mould.
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:36:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Cunning Linguist <skooc@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Charlie Dominici (major DTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961019143433.27040A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> QUESTION: Does anyone know why when Majesty changed their name that they got
> Charlie to sing instead of keeping Chris? I happen to really like his voice
> and was surprised when I first heard his stuff with Majesty that they didn't
> keep him around.
From what i know, they tried to register the Majesty logo when
they realised that someone else already had the name. the people who
originally had the name didn't want to give it up, which meant that they
needed a new name.
..i think it's in the faq, but don't quote me on that.
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:37:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: David Joseph Kostura <Xphilefan@gnn.com>
Subject: Re: Stabbing Westward Florida Appearance (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961019143647.27301B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Hello all,
>
> Just thought I might post this, as I know some of you out there are
> interested in the band. They are going to be playing November 1st
> at the University of Central Florida Arena here in Orlando, as part
> of UCF's homecoming concert. They are the headliners, and there
> are 4 other bands on the list: Dishwalla, Blue Tones, Ash, and
> Refreshements. Who knows who the heck these other bands are,
> probably local stuff or regional stuff. Anyway, showtime starts at
> 7pm, and tix are $17.50, however, I am an alumni, and tix are only
> $12.50, I am probably gonna go, and if anyone wants me to get them
> discounted tix I'd be glad to.
Dishwalla does that really crappy song "Counting Blue Cars"
the "refreshments" do that stupid song where they mention captain
jean-luc picard.
:)
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 13:54:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charles D Harrison <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1930
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.961019135145.20380A-100000@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
I know that this is late...but,
TO THE ASSWIPE THAT POSTED THE RACIST JOKE ON THE JAM:
Go fuck yourself you racist bastard. I am not a WASP and I find racist
jokes to be offensive. Do you feel only whites can appreciate what DT has
to offer? And in that way, people will bond with you? Get a life...
Charlie Harrison
cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu
"Having a sensitive member of the audience; it's like having another
member of the band..." -John Coltrane
"Even if our plans fall to pieces, I can still find the courage with the
promise I found in my Faith" -Dream Theater
*DREAM THEATER*JOHN COLTRANE*Miles Davis*Art Tatum*Nudeswirl*Napalm Death*
*Rush*Death*Internal Bleeding*Dead Orchestra*Oppressor*Broken Hope*I.D.K.*
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 13:19:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush in NYC?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961019131741.2497A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
When's Rush coming to New York City? Anybody know? I assume they'll play
Madison Square Garden, right? BTW, I'm going to both Phish shows there on
Monday and Tuesday night....anybody else?
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 16:05:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephan Dobay <sdobay@arthur.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDT: G3 Show Length?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961019155915.16521A-100000@arthur.umd.edu>
To anyone that has gone to the Vai/Satriani/Johnson show, can you tell me
the approximate length of the total show? Enquiring tapers would like to
know! :) Thanks.
DTC: Just got Carpe Diem today, so if you're waiting for yours, stay
cool, it will show up eventually. Packaging is really nice, some good
pics, I'd rate the sound around a B/B+, a little much audience noise, but
other than that, well worth having. Peace.
--Stephan
--sdobay@arthur.umd.edu
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 16:53:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Charlie Dominici (major DTC)
Message-ID: <199610192053.QAA09303@mail.caribe.net>
At 11:41 AM 10/19/96 -0700, you wrote:
>> QUESTION: Does anyone know why when Majesty changed their name that they got
>> Charlie to sing instead of keeping Chris? I happen to really like his voice
>> and was surprised when I first heard his stuff with Majesty that they didn't
>> keep him around.
>
> From what i know, they tried to register the Majesty logo when
>they realised that someone else already had the name. the people who
>originally had the name didn't want to give it up, which meant that they
>needed a new name.
>
> ..i think it's in the faq, but don't quote me on that.
>
Um... read the question please.... he asked why did they change
Chris Collins...WHEN THEY CHANGED THE NAME... not WHY DID THEY CHANGE THEIR
NAME?
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 20:31:04 -0300
From: vanzin@dks.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YKYADTFW
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.10.19.-12.31.4.2579404677.427310@dks.com.br>
Hey Jammerz!
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From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
Subject: YKYADTFW...
.you spend $20 on the Mechanic/MCA version of WDADU, more for
completeness than for the liner notes.
--------------
Hey, I got that one for $18 here some months ago... Something's
wrong there :)
Hell, I'm gonna ask againd, as Skadz do not seem to answer my
e-mails: how do I change the destination e-mail address of the digests
without signing again??? I lost that message with all the
instructions!!!
Ahhh, and for the #ytsejammerz (specially U-Daz, update your
page!!!) my e-mail has changed... it's just down in the sig.
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
Sao Paulo - Brazil
vanzin@dks.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
DarkStar Multimidia BBs Telnet: dks.com.br Fone +55 011 870-1888
Internet, Gameconection, Games, ShareWare
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:16:12 +0000
From: Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1944
Message-ID: <326928FC.591F@earthlink.net>
james from winter rose, talk about a bad hair day, wow, poor guy,
guess he looks back at those days and laughs his ass off.
what a pic.
cheers
stan
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:18:42 +0000
From: Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: good spelling
Message-ID: <32692992.5AF0@earthlink.net>
> BTW, you spelled DREAM THEATRE wrong - it's supposed to be DRAEM THAETER .
> . . hehe. . . dumbass
hahahahahah, draemm thaeter or is it tream dheater
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:37:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Chronicles of Syrinx
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.961019193304.18472B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
I don't know if mosat of the jammers know about this, but there is another
Rush email digest. It comes out about once a week and this is how to
subscribe.........................Brandon
> ***********************************************************************************
> The Chronicle Of Syrinx
>
> To Subscribe to TCOS, please send mail to RushAZ@aol.com with the word
> subscribe in the subject box.
>
> The TCOS will soon have a home on the WWW. Please check soon at:
> http://members.gnn.com/jadepalm/index.html
> ***********************************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:20:21 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: bungle
Message-ID: <199610192358.CAA04643@pepe.online.ee>
>Mr. Bungle (Bizare side project of FNM's Mike Patton)
It's bizarre, agreed, but don't take it as a side project. Patton has
been in Mr. Bungle since he was 15 (that is 5 years prior to the
beginning of his Faith No More era), and both bands have an equal
importance to him. His solo album would more likely qualify as a
"side project".
Desert search for techno Allah...
raitz
"Some say I'm a horrible person. That is not true.
I have a heart of a boy... In a jar on my desk."
-- Stephen King
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 20:15:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Phish, and tomorrow's Rush show
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961019201849.222f7f14@access.mountain.net>
At 03:48 PM 10/18/96 -0700, The D-man wrote:
>They've been (unfairly, I think) compared to the Dead, but
>I'm pretty sure it's because the Dead following has been converting to
>Phish, with the following the tour and the chemical amusement aids and
>whatnot.
Actually, I think some of the comparisons with the Dead have to do with the
extended jamming that takes place at live Phish shows. Apparently, no two
shows are the same, with constantly shifting set lists and jams and the
like. Their live album tends to bear this out, I think, as it has something
like 10 tunes (including several non-album tracks) on 2 discs that take up
over 2 hours of music. That's some damn long jams! :) By comparison, the
tracks on the studio album I have (_Rift_) are all around 4-5 minutes.
Um, about tomorrow's Rush show. I wish I was there. Hey, it's in the
subject line. ;)
Jonathan Byrne, 1L
West Virginia University College of Law
rael@access.mountain.net
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
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"And the thing that I hate-Oh Lord!
Is staying up late, to watch some debate,
on some nation's fate."
-Steve Hackett & Phil Collins, "Blood on the Rooftops", Genesis
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:42:20 CDT
From: jrbower@iastate.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1944
Message-ID: <9610200042.AA19892@las1.iastate.edu>
Ah, ya, they still call ISU Moo U--but you're dating yourself a little
bit. =)
I'm a ComSci major--I guess I should have figured out cut and
paste--GEEEZ! But some of ISU's terminals don't have mouses, and I don't
know the keystrokes.
If there are any local Ytsejamer's (Near ISU) e-mail me privately--I'm
looking to meet fellow ytse-heads up here. I know a couple, but the more
the merrier! How about any one from my area thinkin' about going to the
Jason Becker tribute?
Well, that is all now, this place is so cool.....=)
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 21:27:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1944
Message-ID: <199610200127.VAA14664@mail.caribe.net>
At 04:15 PM 10/19/96 -0700, you wrote:
>james from winter rose, talk about a bad hair day, wow, poor guy,
>guess he looks back at those days and laughs his ass off.
>what a pic.
>
>cheers
>
>stan
>
>
>
>
he looks like that Elvira chick.. hehee ..
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
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Date: 19 Oct 96
From: CPRS92A@prodigy.com (MR JAN-MICHAEL SOUTER)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I love the 'Jam !
Message-ID: <199610200140.VAA19422@mime3.prodigy.com>
Ahhhhhh I LOVE to read the Ytsejam just after a big event happens that
somehow involves Dream Theater !
The Ytsecon messages from people who were there make for great reading!
Just makes me wish I could go but since I had to miss out, I love
reading about the experiences the 'Jammers go through.
I loved reading about the special concerts after ACOS was released also.
My hat is off to those who continue to post and contribute positive
material to keep this list thriving !!!
CARPE DIEM
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I finally received my CD of Carpe Diem and I am blown away by the
picture quality of the guys in the band on the cd foldout !!!! These
pictures look like they were taken on the stage itself and they are
crystal clear ! No blurs, no flaws, and the highlight is Mike staring
right at the camera giving a combination thumbs-up/gunshot sign ! These
guys are relaxed on stage outside of the States.
James, Derek and John P. wearing some shades.
Audio quality on this boot recorded outdoors is wonderful.
1. Intro
2. Under a Glass Moon
3. Lifting Shadows off a Dream
4. Voices
5. A Change of Seasons (boot recorded before ACOS CD came out)
6. Another Day
7. Pull Me Under
8. 6:00
9. a little something extra :)
Excellent outdoor DT bootleg. It was well worth the long wait !!
Brought back memories of when DT played in Dallas on the I&W tour
outdoors at
Dallas City Limits. The night was perfect for an outdoors show.
Galactic Cowboys
opened and walked on/off stage during "Take the Time" and sang chorus :
)
Jan-Michael
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 21:17:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NDT: G3 Show Length?
Message-ID: <199610200217.VAA21235@parka.winternet.com>
>
> To anyone that has gone to the Vai/Satriani/Johnson show, can you tell me
> the approximate length of the total show? Enquiring tapers would like to
> know! :) Thanks.
>
>
I saw the G3 show in Phoenix. It was 45 minutes per artist and about 20 -
25 mintue jam session afterward. The jam also featured a local guy George
Lynch!!!
I you have tapes of G3 let me know I am interested.
later,
Nathan Bradley
savaweb@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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