YTSEJAM digest 1944

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Date: Sat Oct 19 1996 - 14:05:40 EDT

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YTSEJAM Digest 1944

Today's Topics:

  1) "The Ones Who Help To Fuck Up The 'Jam"
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
  2) 28 Dream Theater icons
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
  3) problem
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
  4) kjlb :)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
  5) RUSH SPOILER
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
  6) First Post: DT, G3, etc.
by Mark Major <mmajor29@mail.idt.net>
  7) Rush Opener
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
  8) Lemur Voice
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
  9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1943
by "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
10) Re: "The Ones Who Help To Fuck Up The 'Jam"
by Cunning Linguist <skooc@earthlink.net>
11) Re: "The Ones Who Help To Fuck Up The 'Jam"
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:09:23 +-100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "The Ones Who Help To Fuck Up The 'Jam"
Message-ID: <01BBBDDF.00FDA480@57.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>

> Rude "Welcoming' Comments (oxymoron?)
~~~~~
:-P

Ed J Wilk III said :

> Look, I'm sorry if YOU don't want to listen to it, but I'm curious as
> to what everyone else thinks. I really couldn't care less if this has
> been done before, it hasn't been done since I've been here.

So, take it to private e-mail ! Don't you think it's a bit egotistical
of you to bother us with the same old useless thread just because *you*
missed it ? Just request some old digests and read *those* instead !

> I can't stand elitists who think that because THEY'VE been there
> longer, they shouldn't have to put up with repeat content.

Personally, I can't stand rude newbies who think THEY own the list the
minute they join. We *know* certain threads turn to shit or go nowhere
*because* we've been around longer... *This* is one of those threads...

The thing is, when *I* joined, we got 2 digests a day... Right now we're
up to 4-5 a day... Recycling topics would make things even worse...
Personally, I *don't* like moderation, but *this* is phuqing ridiculous !

Just compare the "Most Frequent Poster List" of the Ytsejam and the
Freaks-list (Marillion) on my homepage... Look at the amount of digests
and messages... Both lists are on the same server and have almost the
same amount of subscribers (there are even *more* Freaks than Jammers!).

> Grow up.

Shut up. ;-]

> Oh apparently you didn't see my other two or three or so posts.
> That wasn't my introduction note. Glad to see The Digital Man is
> paying attention.

*Don't* FAQ with D-Man ! >:( [newbies: D-Man maintains the DT-FAQ)

> Now, before every message, you have the option of looking at the
> subject header, or scanning the message. If it doesn't have content
> of interest to you, SKIP IT.

Hah :-) I, for one, *already* skip 98 % these days... Only 2 % more
and I'm off the list...

>> constructive. No one ever agrees with the dissenting opinion.
>> No one ever remembers how specific people felt. It's pointless.
>> We say so not because we're elitists, but because we already found
>> out the hard way.
>
> "We say so"? Do you have multiple-personality disorder?

What's wrong with having a multiple-personality disorder ?????
Multiple-personality disorder is better than just having *a* personality
disorder, or having *no* personality at all :-] Want one of mine ?

> I wasn't looking for an argument, I was looking to see how many people
> liked ACOS more than IAW, and was told, basically, to shut up.

Scroll back 29 lines... >:-)

> I don't appreciate that.

Oops... sorry ! ;-)

>> Perhaps we are not the ones who need to grow up.
>
> Again, "we"? I was talking to and about Carlos.

You were talking *to* Carlos ? Here ya go pal :

Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>

> Don't worry, I know how listservs work. I'm on a few, actually.
> And as with all lists I've ever seen, there are questions asked.
> That is the only way someone can learn, or, in the case of the
> question I posted, find out what the general opinions of the people
> are.

Someone who "knows how listservs work" *knows* a poll on a mailinglist
is a big no-no... That's exactly what your 'question' was all about...
If you'd asked everyone to mail *you* their opinions *privately*,
none of this YtseCrap (c) would have happened... [including this message]

> I have found out, so far, that people here generally stick their noses
> in the air to questions asked by newcomers to the list and those who
> ask them. Not the most kind welcome, I'd say.

Shut up, you pathetic newcomer !
/me sticks his nose in the air

Kidding :-)

Hm... "Ed J Wilk III"... sounds like a bad sequel ;-) [sorry pal!]

Ed: Don't take this 'flame' too seriously... I'm just genuinely concerned
about the current state of the Ytsejam. Early this year the Jam had to
move to *this* server, because 2 digests a day already was too much for
the other one (Arastar)... We're up to 4-5 a day right now... Also, I've
noticed the huge amount of people that leave the list for lack of content
and/or the amount of digests... I actually think we're scaring off lot's
of newbies this way, and losing a few 'elitists" too... Very uncool...

Mark (Sorry about the length of this message)
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`)
All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
Maintainer of the Official Freaks and Ytsejam "Most Frequent Poster List"
URL: http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 16:36:06 +-100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 28 Dream Theater icons
Message-ID: <01BBBDDF.15D8B160@57.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>

I just added some stuff to my homepage, you guys might like :

* 28 (256-color) Dream Theater icons (just made them)
(the Tori Amos and Marillion icons are still there too)
* A very dorqy James LaBrie picture from his "Winter Rose" days :-)
* The address of the Dutch DT-fanclub "Theater Of Dreams"

Also, check out my "Where Do We Go From Here?" page... I'm looking
for URL's of record companies and online record stores, so I can
add them to that page... I've set up a FORM you can use to suggest
any URL's you think should be on it... Feel free to use it :-)

Finally, I quick reminder... You can still have your homepage linked
to the "Most Frequent Poster List" by using the following line in
your next message to the Ytsejam :

URL: http://my_homepage

Mark
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`)
All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
Maintainer of the Official Freaks and Ytsejam "Most Frequent Poster List"
URL: http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:18:31 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: problem
Message-ID: <199610191627.TAA21978@pepe.online.ee>

>> hard metalhead who hates a song if it clocks over 6 minutes.
>Sounds like a personal problem :)

I wouldn't be as brave as to call it a problem. I don't think he's
worse than me only 'cause he doesn't like a song I like. See the
point?

>One might draw a parallel to furniture. Would you rather sit on an
>upside-down milk crate or be swallowed by a leather sectional?

The parallel you drew was rather artificial. Is it hard to understand
that you don't definitely have to kiss the ground every time you hear
"A Change Of Seasons"? That you may actually dislike it and still be
a DT fan?

raitz

      How could I forget such a revelation
      to love without fear and learn without question
      how could I regret the meant occasions
      I must begin this day again

Cynic, "How Could I"

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 11:33:08 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: kjlb :)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961019163308.006c5058@mail.inlink.com>

>* A very dorqy James LaBrie picture from his "Winter Rose" days :-)

HAHAHA!!! ok i WAS thinking about checking out some Winter Rose.... HAH, no
thank you sir, i'll just take a sack o fries. :)

heh, check this picture out guys, you'll get a kikk :)

btw, jus kiddin' about not wantin' to check out WR no more :P

~Rip

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:48:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RUSH SPOILER
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961019124649.12625B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>

i hate to do this, but this is almost too good _NOT_ to give to the jam.

SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!!
SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!!
SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!!
SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!!
SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!! **** SPOILER!!!

Don't read this if you want to be surprised for the show!!!
This was taken from someone at tonight's sound check, so is likely
the setlist they will use for the show (but of course, anything can
happen :-)

(lots of space so you don't see what you don't want to...)

Dreamline
The Big Money
Driven
Half the World
Red Barchetta
Animate
Limbo
The Trees
Red Sector A
Virtuality
Nobody's Hero
Closer to the Heart
2112

--break--

Test For Echo
Subdivisions
Freewill
Roll The Bones
Resist
Leave That Thing Alone
drum solo
Natural Science
Force 10
Time & Motion
The Spirit of Radio
Tom Sawyer
YYZ --> Cygnus X-1

A few notes...

During TFE the large screen had old newsreel footage (of Kennedy, etc)
It would start out snowy (like TV static), then clear into a new image.
Kinda like U2's Zoo TV tour. They also had the animated scene from the TV
promos (receiving echo, launching probe, etc).

RTB had the same video footage as last tour.

2112 was played IN ITS ENTIRETY, and had the man/star on the back screen.
During the "we have assumed control" at the end, lights were set off almost
like strobes.

The "break" is the break the band took, and probably is where the actual
break in the setlist will be.

- rush-mgr

hope you don't hate me TOO much. :)

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:16:05 -0700
From: Mark Major <mmajor29@mail.idt.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: First Post: DT, G3, etc.
Message-ID: <326928F5.2767@mail.idt.net>

Hey fellow Ytse-Jammers, I am new to the listing and this is my first
posting after reading thru about the past ten digests. This is great.
I am a serious guitarist, music lover, and DT follower. I've seen DT
twice in concert and I think they rank as my top two concerts of all
time, and at 34 years of age I have seen some good ones (re: Van Halen
opening for Black Sabbath with Ozzy back in 1978).

My ears are still ringing from G3 last night in SA. It was phenomenal.
Adrian Legg is from outer space. Otherwise I cannot explain the magic with
which he played. Vai, Eric Johnson, and Satriani all played very well.
The format was fast paced and well organized. The only thing missing was
Steve Morse (too busy touring with DP) and Jeff Beck (where is he now?).

I really enjoy hearing of new, maybe obscure, but highly talented groups,
therefore it appears that this is the place to be. For those of you that
are into complex music, here are some of my favorite groups aside from the
obvious (DT, Vai, Rush, KX, FNM):

        Mr. Bungle (Bizare side project of FNM's Mike Patton)
        Scatterbrain (Genious comedy rock)
        Fishbone (Steely Dan with Funky Metal Thunder)
        I Mother Earth (Funk power of RHCP but with more finesse)

Can't wait for the next DT masterpiece....

JMark

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 17:14:56 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush Opener
Message-ID: <32690806.4079554@mail.inforamp.net>

Hi there,

>Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>

> Any idea who is opening for RUSH?

Nobody! They're playing an extended set of about 3 hours with
a short break in the middle. The tour is being titled "An evening with
Rush".
Get your tickets fast though! This one will be a scalper's
dream come true.

Cheers,

Rick
Toronto

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 17:14:50 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <3269033e.2855385@mail.inforamp.net>

Hi!

>Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:26:25 -0400
>From: acook@tiac.net (acook)

>Highlights are "Akasha
>Chronicles" and "Prime of Passion" so far.

        I agree and would add to that the piano instrumental Celestial
Haze. I was thinking about the use of the voice as an instrument and
Gregor does a great job on that track. The instrumental production is
very good on the album. Everything sounds warm. /me LIKES IT! :)
        I find Gregor hard to understand as well. It's almost as
though he were standing a great distance back from the mic or the
highs were rolled way back on his vocal mix. Once you read the lyrics
though, all is again right with the world. :)
        Other tracks that I greatly enjoy are Intuition and Deep
Inside. The album is a winner guys! Keep it up!

(snip)

>I definitely like
>Marcel's soloing style better than Brendt Allman's though, it's very unique
>and he has a great feel to his rhythms too.

        I think Marcel is a more fluid player that Brendt. And that
sound!!!!!! How can you not love that tone! To be honest, my tone is
almost the exact same. I don't have his dexterity (yet :) ) but both
of us used Marshall based systems and they have a rounded distortion
that is more glowing hot that "staccato slap in the face" when used
properly.
        Marcel, you guys have to play North America soon! This is NOT
negotiable! :)
        Christ, you can stay at my place while you're in Toronto to
save money if you like. Just remember to leave that Marshall head of
yours here. I could use another one. :)

Cheers,

Rick
Toronto

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 13:15:35 -0500
From: "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1943
Message-ID: <199610191717.KAA18010@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>

Rick Terry wrote:

> The jam blows and it's subscribers couldn't build a collective
> IQ high enough to make a decorticate jealous!

Hey! I resemble that remark! (What the hell is a decorticate?)

> Green Day and Nirvana rock harder than DREAM THEATRE.

YEAH! PUT TOGETHER! uhhhh. . . I mean . . . never mind . . .

BTW, you spelled DREAM THEATRE wrong - it's supposed to be DRAEM THAETER .
. . hehe. . . dumbass

> >Rush has been my favorite band since I bought their first album in 73.
>
> Holy shit, Rick, i didn't realize you were an old dude...(j/k) :-)
>

Maybe he bought it when he was 5 - that makes him 28 today - that's not
old! . . . hehe . . . dumbass

> Ol' Big Ears has his Reform party...maybe it's time for a Progressive
Party!!! PROG '96!!!

Kewlness! Petrucci/Portnoy in 2000! Has a nice ring to it - but then
again, so does my bathtub.

Jeremy Bower wrote:

> Hello all, I'm new to the 'jam, and as far as I can
> tell, this is a bitchin' place to be.

Definitely - or is that "a place to be bitchin'"? Or "a place to bitch
about being"?

> P.S. Does anyone know if they are coming to The Mark in the Quad Cities
> or Five Seasons in Cedar Rapids Iowa?

Nope - nobody knows - BTW, I played at the Five Seasons many times! (In
the Blue Parrot lounge, 2nd floor - oh, the shame!)

>Does it (the FAQ) tell how to snip out parts of old Jams to reply to?

Cut & Paste, my man, Cut & Paste. Learn it, Love it, Live it. Cut & Paste
is the Future of Journalism!

I see that you go to Iowa State. I played many of the campus bars in years
past. Do they still call it Moo U?

Brian Henderson wrote:

> For an extra fifteen points, define "opposite" without using the word
"opposite".

OK - "Tennessee and Civilization". There, I did it! Those are definitely
opposites.

Larry

from a brochure of a Car Rental company in Tokyo -
"When passenger of foot heave in sight, tootle the horn. Trumpet him
melodiously at first, but if he still obstacles your passage then tootle
him with vigor."

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:43:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cunning Linguist <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: "The Ones Who Help To Fuck Up The 'Jam"
Message-ID: <199610191743.KAA03092@norway.it.earthlink.net>

>Just compare the "Most Frequent Poster List" of the Ytsejam and the
>Freaks-list (Marillion) on my homepage... Look at the amount of digests
>and messages... Both lists are on the same server and have almost the
>same amount of subscribers (there are even *more* Freaks than Jammers!).
>
>> Grow up.
>
>Shut up. ;-]
>

Look Mark, if you don't like it here, then leave already! I've been on and
off this list for over a year now and it seems all you ever do on this list
is bitch about EVERYTHING! When I post, 99% of my posts don't have anything
to do with DT, but that's because most of the others here know a hell of a
lot more about the band then I do so I'm not going to interject something I
know has been discussed a million times or I don't know anything about. If
you like Freaks, then that's great. I'm sure it's a fantastic list, at least
that's what I hear. But enough with the "Freaks is much better than the Jam"
crap. You are such a whiny snivler, why don't you just go away!

>Hah :-) I, for one, *already* skip 98 % these days... Only 2 % more
>and I'm off the list...

Here's hoping that 2% gets here QUICK!

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:00:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: "The Ones Who Help To Fuck Up The 'Jam"
Message-ID: <199610191800.OAA06289@mail.caribe.net>

At 08:08 AM 10/19/96 -0700, you wrote:
>> Rude "Welcoming' Comments (oxymoron?)
> ~~~~~
>:-P
>
>Ed J Wilk III said :
>
>
>>> Perhaps we are not the ones who need to grow up.
>>
>> Again, "we"? I was talking to and about Carlos.
>
>You were talking *to* Carlos ? Here ya go pal :
>
> Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
>

um wait a sec.. who was talking to me..and what was he saying?? maybe i
shouldnt skip so much jams!! .. hehe .. no really.. if im involved in this i
want to know..

             We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
             We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...

                     DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS

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