YTSEJAM Digest 1940
Today's Topics:
1) At Death's Door
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
2) ego trip
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
3) - (Step back with "Awake")
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
4) Re: That funky anagram
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) so which is the best?
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
6) G3 (some DTC)
by al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
7) IGoD running time/Lay off D-Man
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
8) Gorilla Snot & Warren Cuccurrullo
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
9) Sound Clips and SHIT
by drkhoe@squirm.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) DT covers/Pat's tees, Mr.Bafu
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
11) Re: I felt an urge to write...
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
12) Re: 92.5
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1939
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
14) Ripetete & Ascoltate
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
15) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?So_what=B4s_down....=3F?=
by "Andersson" <nils.g.andersson@mbox330.swipnet.se>
16) g-3
by thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera)
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:09:21 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: At Death's Door
Message-ID: <199610180515.XAA09000@cyberhighway.net>
I had a wonderful day today. :-) until I read the post below :-(
> October 17 1993
> Criss Oliva
> died
Damn... I was just talking about him earlier today with my friend
about whether Sav would have taken the direction they had if he
hadn't died. I didn't know that today was the day either. "I'm
feeling kinda spooky..."
In related Sav material, I got Trans-Siberian Orcestra today, it rokz
nadz, and I don't even like Christmas music much. Also, I got
Enchant, Blueprints... Loved it! Do they have anymore? Also got
Magellan, Impending Ascension... Either this one will have to grow
on me or I know someone who really likes Yes alot and will really get
into this. I never really could get into this type of prog much...
>For "Wait for Sleep" as well as for some others you can check out the
>guitar tabs, that sometimes have some keyboard licks reworked for
That's what I've had to do. I personally enjoyed the Take the Time
tab in Gutar magazine a couple years back. It had the key solos for
"Take the Time" all worked out, too. Too bad there aren't any good
tabs in those things anymore...
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
Striving for Most Frequent Poseur on the
Dream Theater Mailing list...
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:03:57 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ego trip
Message-ID: <199610180311.GAA22704@pepe.online.ee>
>Vote for that old guy, Robert Dole
>Bubba Clinton's bought to lose control............
>
>NOT!
I agree.
Although it's entirely not my problem, as I live 7-9 hours ahead of
the States (I mean, in Europe), but I always thought one shouldn't
vote for people that are almost dead already. :-)
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
2 CD's playing:
Dream Theater AWAKE (Caught In A Web)
Adobe TYPE ON CALL 4.0 (The Installation)
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 05:45:52 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: - (Step back with "Awake")
Message-ID: <199610180253.FAA22562@pepe.online.ee>
>Images and Words but was dropped. This being the case does it mean
>that Dream Theater took a step back with Awake? I guess I will be
>hunted down.
You should be... :-)
If Dream Theater took a step back with "Awake", I am the pope. You
may not like it, you may say that it's not that progressive and
melodic anymore, but you can't deny that it's a big step forward,
whether you like the direction or not.
Gosh, when will "Fire Garden" ship in again? Je suis desole... Je
suis fatigue... Je pense que je vais a quitter. :-(
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 01:44:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: That funky anagram
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.961018014223.26499B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
> Brandon decreed the following in Ytsejam #1938:
>
> >The anagram poster forgot to include "my porno kite" for Mike Portnoy.
> >Where's my porno kite? I WANT MY PORNO KITE!!!!!!
>
> Were you the guy who used to put "my porno kite" in as their "real name"
> line? Sheesh, for the longest time, I couldn't figure out what the heck
> that meant! <g>
Yeah, that was me. I frequently change my process names. Although I've
been sticking with "Taco Belhai" for the past month or so. Thanks Elliott
for the name.
Brandon (Taco Belhai)
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 05:53:40 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: so which is the best?
Message-ID: <199610180255.FAA22587@pepe.online.ee>
>seemed to be in "Stomp all over Carlos mode" still. And besides, I've
>already told you that ACoS is the best already :) Damnit, D-man put
>the fucker in the FAQ or I will drive on up to UVM and have your
Does it surprise you when I tell you that one of my fellow Dream
Theater fan hates ACOS's guts? No, he's not a die hard metalhead who
hates a song if it clocks over 6 minutes. He just thinks it has
little emotion and lots of prowess in it. He feels that though it's
extremely technical and professionally done, he still hates it. And I
can see why, although I don't necessarily share his opinion.
Maybe those were right who told that there's absolutely no point
arguing which Dream Theater album is the best or whatever. To each
his own. It reminds me of the "best guitarist" poll a little. I can
say I hate "The Killing Hand", and love "Innocence Faded", and it
doesn't make me suck any more. :-)
You rode the red...
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 01:03:15 -0500
From: al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: G3 (some DTC)
Message-ID: <9610180603.AA07510@campus.cegs.itesm.mx>
Hi ,
Just wanted to know if anybody is going to the G3 concert in
San Antonio , TX on October 18 ? I'm coming from Monterrey , Mexico for the
concert and would like to meet jammers that will be there. If you see me ,
talk to me , I'll be wearing an Ibanez shirt and my DT Acos hat.
On to DTC , I was at my radio show and a local musician came in with
an independent CD about his prog music , it was in the likes of Yes and King
Crimson. Anyways I started to talk a little bit about prog music (my show
isn't about prog unfortunately) when the phone started to ring , I got 5
calls asking for DT. Obviously I accepted putting Mirror/Lie. While talking
to these guys I realized that they had all heard my DT 1 hour special that I
did last month in D-99 (radio station). It made feel good that I have helped
people get into DT's music here in my town in Mexico. Anyways , I'm off to
Texas to G3 !
-Marcelo Martinelli-
-Monterrey , Mexico-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-It dawned on me one day that I should not be making sandwiches for a living-
--John Petrucci--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/
"The only danger is inside you"
-The Mirror
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Date: 18 Oct 1996 01:00:46 CDT
From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IGoD running time/Lay off D-Man
Message-ID: <199610180605.XAA16073@pawn.ax.com>
YT>The tune 'The Ivory gate Of Dreams' is off the No Exit CD. It runs 21:25
YT>and is presented in eight movements. IMO this album isn't that great for
I was making a tape for the prog swap not too long ago, and IGoD was one
of the tunes I put on there (it was specifically requested, of course).
I enclosed a sheet of paper with titles, album names, track lengths,
etc, and I noticed that even though the liner notes say 21:25, the song
is actually about 22:00 on my CD player. Maybe I have the extended dance
mix...
New guy (never thought I'd call anyone that) - don't get on D-man's
case - he's been here for a while. This is the friendliest, most
informative list (and IRC channel) I know of. I can only assume he's one of
the people who helped make it that way. Don't take things personally -
just accept (constructive) criticism and try to learn from it if you do
make a mistake (BTW, I'm not saying you DID screw up with your initial
post). I've received about 400 jams and I still feel like a newbie
sometimes - and now I know better than to post an ASCII bird finger just
because someone wants to unsubscribe but doesn't know how to do it. If I
feel the urge to send an email, I'll send the person instructions.
This is a great list. *CLICHE ALERT!!!!* Let's keep it this way.
I love you all (in a brotherly way),
Mark Peters
big.swifty@twav.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Gorilla Snot & Warren Cuccurrullo
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961017233146.24447D-100000@homer12.u.washington.edu>
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1933
>
> > I'd love to know what else Vai is going to do from "Fire Garden."
>
> If you can wait till November 2nd, I'll sum up the whole experience as
> only a fellow shredder can.
Goody goody gorilla snot! (joy expressed as only a fellow shredder can)
> > Is this sounding elitist? Yes. Am I slamming these kinds of artists
> > or their listeners? No. I like some of George Michael's stuff (don't
> > spend my money on it, though). I just don't want DT grouped there.
>
> An understandable desire, but an unneccesary concern.
"I recognize the language pouring forth from your mouth, yet at the same
time I am moved to focus my attention elsewhere."
(sorry, I know that's not what you meant... I mean, I think that's not
what you meant...)
> > BTW, WTF is G3 (3 guitarists)?
>
> I will assume you don't know that it's Satriani, Vai, and Eric Johnson
> (Along with Adrian Legg and Mike Keneally!). If you mean "Hey... that's
> a really gay name, and I could have come up with something better than
> that while watching my dog lick itself" then you're probably right.
Actually, the full name of the tour was originally "The Guitar Ghidrah."
(three-headed beast, get it?) It was shortened to "G3" because of...
hygienic obligations and...stuff...
---- > From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com> > Subject: KevMo > > You cannot blame anyone for a change of heart.Well said.
Someone mentioned purchasing a cd in a cardboard cover, which reminded me of Warren Cuccurrullo's solo debut, "Thanks To Frank." It's packaged in a cardboard envelope. For fans of his style, pick it up. It's cool. On the other hand, if all you wanna hear is wild solos and loud screaming frenzied thrashing off-the-wall ricochet Halley's Comet speed-of-light freight train bat outta hell rip roarin' lightning earshock, this ain't it...
:)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:53:25 -0800 From: drkhoe@squirm.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sound Clips and SHIT Message-ID: <199603290853.AAA00975@squirm.gmsnet.com>
Alright kids... I've got some sound clips of Enchant and Lemur Voice on the damn page now... so if you will... you can check them out... although I didn't bother to make em small... hehehehheheh
http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% *$%&%#$* Global Micro Solutions #$#$#@@# *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$
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Date: 18 Oct 96 10:55:11 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT covers/Pat's tees, Mr.Bafu Message-ID: <9610181055.aa11@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Hello, ye 'jamanoids of the outer space...
The anagrams are an old thread.
I remember Chung Ng asking if someone's covered any DT songs. Check out Madsword's latest album, there's a cover of The Ytse Jam in there. AFAIK, this is the only recorded DT cover...of course, I could be wrong.
On a totally another note, I would order a YtseJam tee-shirt from Pat Griffin before you can say "Mape's got his head up his ass" were they not so expensive. The shirt itself is fairly priced, but how can the $9 for s&h be explained? Pat, please e-mail me, I would really like to buy one...
Bafu did it again. His pseudo interview with JP maybe isn't quite at the same level as his legendary "Ytse and Jam" tales, but it should be included to the Ytsejam archives' Hall of Fame, right? Bafu, you're one twisted individual...:) Besides: Bafu, we aren't having that most EOJ's competition anymore, so you can stop now...
I know at least one ytsejammer took offense by that post but he takes offense by every single thing anybody ever does so screw it...
_Mape_
"Ma'am, I've had a wonderful evening. And this wasn't it." -Groucho Marx-
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 4:02:37 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: I felt an urge to write... Message-ID: <9610180802.AA25349@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey. I was the blind umpire in the yankee game, and I just called them the way I saw them. Give us a break. You need to have a special talent to be an umpire. You must not have a driver's license, must not be able to read regular print, and most importantly, you must not be able to see the ball. Come on. Not an easy job to qualify for.
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 01:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: 92.5 Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.961018012719.26877B-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
Right now, I'm wiping the tears off my face. Christ, that was the funniest piece of e-mail I've read in the last six months or so. Folks, I think Bafu deserves some kinda title. "Official Dream Theater Satirist" or something. You know, something that will look good on a resume:). Later.
Younis Hilal---------------------------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 05:23:32 -0400 From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1939 Message-ID: <199610180923.FAA28742@sable.cc.vt.edu>
>>I was just wondering if anyone has ever seen a DT cover band or heard >someone=20 >>covering a DT song.=20 > >my band covers PMU. woo. > >My friends band covers pull me under..and lie.. and theres a band here in >PR called Dreamline (ironic huh) that is a Dt/rush cover band
yeah... my band here is once again delving into the DT stuff... more. (just got the new guitarist- who'd not heard dream theater until in my car - hooked on DT by simply showing him the I&W "work in progress" video) we've done Surrounded, Another Day, and Silent Man in years past... currently working on LSOAD and LTL... the faster ones are a little difficult for me to sync vocals and keys, so most of those get seq'd! All our other stuff is original (which many of my DT friends say is original, but definitely influenced by the great ones)...
>At the same time Mike said that, while they would like to put out a double >album, the label was a little reluctant, but the band still had >hopes....waddaya say all? Should we flex our considerable influence and >let the label know what we think
are they using One Way? If not, which are they using this go-round? I'd love to see a double album.
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ripetete & Ascoltate Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961018024311.103574C-100000@homer01.u.washington.edu>
> From: Olaf Bode <100734.3240@CompuServe.COM> > Subject: CARPE DIEM / ?? > > Oops, pardon me for jumping in, if this is the YtseJam mailing list. > Believe me, I dont want disturb your thoughts! Go on, to think about > the definition of prog, your dada dodo oo games or how to store your > xxx hundred CDs or to whatever !
[removed]
> Once again, pardon me for jumping in and I wishya back the silence you > need for finding out whats the definition of prog, your visual music > games and how to store your CDs, but dont forget : This is the DT > mailing list and not the newsgroup for the talented do-it-yourselfer !
Let's see...this makes...83? 183? I've lost count...
---- > From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III) > Subject: Rude "Welcoming' Comments (oxymoron?) > > 'Ello
Hell.
> > Well, well, well. I'm glad that Ed has decided to travel the civil > > route in introducing himself to us. > > Oh apparently you didn't see my other two or three or so posts. That > wasn't my introduction note. Glad to see The Digital Man is paying > attention.
If you posted half as often as The Digital Man, everyone would recognize your name. As for me, I don't. But unlike that sympathetic D-Man, I refuse to issue apologies for not paying attention.
> Sure! I completely understand you don't want to hear these subject > again. Now, before every message, you have the option of looking at the > subject header, or scanning the message. If it doesn't have content of > interest to you, SKIP IT.
I usually just check the "From:" line.
>>constructive. No one ever agrees with the dissenting opinion. No one >>ever remembers how specific people felt. It's pointless. We say so >>not because we're elitists, but because we already found out the hard >>way. > > "We say so"? Do you have multiple-personality disorder? I wasn't > looking for an argument, I was looking to see how many people liked ACOS > more than IAW, and was told, basically, to shut up. I don't appreciate > that..
Hi there. I'm one of The Digital Man's other personalities. I'm also a member of this mailing list who dates back to circa Halloween 1994. Coincidentally, both of me agree with D-man's original self that we have found a few things out the hard way. If you'd like more of Us to come forward and make our presences known, we will do so.
>> Perhaps we are not the ones who need to grow up. Rather, maybe you > > Again, "we"? I was talking to and about Carlos.
Sounds to me like you just don't want to be one of D-man's alternate personalities.
> Don't worry, I know how listservs work. I'm on a few, actually. > And as with all lists I've ever seen, there are questions asked. That > is the only way someone can learn, or, in the case of the question I > posted, find out what the general opinions of the people are.
I agree with this 100%.
> I have found out, so far, that people here generally stick their noses > in the air to questions asked by newcomers to the list and those who ask > them. Not the most kind welcome, I'd say.
Hey Ed, guess who sent about a dozen Ytsejam #1925s out to people who mentioned that they "hadn't" received them? Guess who's dubbing copies of Mike Portnoy singing the end of "Surrounded" for four people who are interested in hearing it? (hint: two of them are newcomers, so it CAN'T be D-Man 'cause he's an air-sniffing conceited sonuvabitch) Guess who...ah, nevermind...
Time for some random educating. I'll tell you why you've "found" your discovered generality to be true: no one's going to e-mail you privately to outline all the wonderful ways some random person on this list has recently helped them out. Do you expect this information to arrive into your mind without effort? Does any information carry itself that way? (other than air temperature, amount of bodily energy, etc.) If I don't post an answer to someone's question here on this mailing list, does that mean I haven't taken the time to help them out, say, privately?
One question, one answer. I do this because, as one of D-Man's alternate personalities, I agree that the majority of this list doesn't want to know (for example) for the 20th time what number to call to order the Paul Gilbert cd-rom, because this topic has been covered many times. If a dozen people ask all of a sudden, I'll post the info to the list. If one person asks, I'll send them a private e-mail with the number for K-Tel Music.
And that, oh dissatisfied newcomer, is how 90% of D-Man's alternate personalities operate on the Ytsejam. Enjoy.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:20:28 +0200 From: "Andersson" <nils.g.andersson@mbox330.swipnet.se> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?So_what=B4s_down....=3F?= Message-ID: <199610181118.NAA20091@gaia.swip.net>
Hello, hej, terve, spatsiva....
This is the second letter I4ve written to the "Jaemmers dudes" this week!!! I have been very busy as you can figure. Well....What did you think of the new Psychotic Waltz CD???? I4ve recieved a few messages about the list I made for the ytsejam 1937. Hope to see some new records out now.......Here4s a "wishes might or might not come true" list:
1: Fates Warning (Ray Alder kickin4 ass aswell as the others.) 2: Savatage (Website: www.winternet.com/savaweb) 3: Dream Theater (Any comments!!??) 4: Queensryche (Tate blows up the recordlabels) 5: Ana Kata (The band I4m In) (Not for sale exept requests)
There you go......Until next time.......SEEEEEEE YAAAAA!!!!!
Yours truly......Nanne ------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is not your fault, neither someone elses fault that the world has gone mad....Bless only our souls for what we4ve done.....Nanne496
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:26:49 -0500 (CDT) From: thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: g-3 Message-ID: <199610181226.HAA21872@legend.txdirect.net>
g-3 in san antonio tonight. after the show i'll be burning my guitars in disgust. it'll be a barbeque, come on by.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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