YTSEJAM Digest 1935
Today's Topics:
1) Re:calcitrant intolerance :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
2) I FOUND "WORKING MAN" IN CANADA
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
3) life is peeeeeeeachy
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4) Cynic audio or video boots?
by Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu>
5) CARPE DIEM / ??
by Olaf Bode <100734.3240@CompuServe.COM>
6) Neil Gallop - insane?
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
7) Re: Working Man
by Analog Kid <jalfaro@caribe.net>
8) Rude "Welcoming' Comments (oxymoron?)
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
9) Re: DT on Oprah?
by Analog Kid <jalfaro@caribe.net>
10) ACOS tab
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
11) Re: ACOS tab
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
12) Fates Warning Blurb from Metal Blade
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
13)
by
14)
by
15) Re: you asked for it...
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1934
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@demon.co.uk>
17) Re: baaad people list, how's PT?, theres 1st but wheres 2nd, a
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:48:31 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:calcitrant intolerance :)
Message-ID: <32653C0F.59E2@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
> Good place to check some reviews. Includes Fates Warning, Dream
> Theater, Cynic, and more. I really hate the way he puts down "Awake".
> Anybody share my opinion?
> http://www.geom.umn.edu/~bmeloon/music/reviews/melreviews.html
I share your opinion and I hope I don't sound too out of touch with the
music scene but:
who the fuck is brian meloon? 8.75?
> From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
> I don't think it's experimentation, all of that stuff was done in the
> 60's and 70's.
Exactly why I got tired of most of the 80's shit. Been there, done
that.
> I heard the 60's sucked the first time.
Easy, killer! :)
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Regarding the best DT anything, look, if you had listened to me the
first time when I said ACoS is THE best, we wouldn't have to be
re-hasing it out again wasting who knows how many millions and millions
of bytes of bandwidth...it'd be in the freakin' FAQ by now! It's really
quite simple and here's how it works. Clean the wax out of your ears and
listen :) DT keeps getting better and better as we progress forward in
time, so ACoS must be THE best (unless you are in time-warp, of course).
Now, don't make me go through this again, or I will hunt you down...
Have a sweet afternoon!
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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"These are the kind of thoughts which kept me
from being accepted at the better colleges" -- George Carlin
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:59:03 +0500
From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I FOUND "WORKING MAN" IN CANADA
Message-ID: <9610162059.AA04042@jason.qc.ca>
for those who are in QUEBEC area there's about 20 copies of "WORKING MAN" at
HMV (Place Laurier)
The price is 23.99 + taxes .
The songs are just super specially them with Sheehan/Portnoy
rj
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:20:35 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: life is peeeeeeeachy
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961016212035.006c02d4@mail.inlink.com>
ok, brace yourselves guys, this one's on the new KoRn cd, so if you dont
like em, its time to skip this message, not give me shit about how you dont
like em later :)
picked it up yesterday, its simply amazing... industrial strength tartar
control crest doesnt even give as much plaq fighting power as just one track
off this disc.. i cant pull it out of the player! hell, i was planning on
hopping out to pick up an old FW disc today, but decided to wait til
tomorrow because i knew i'd never put it in for a while anyway :) these
guys are simply smashing the hell out of everything they can find :)
i think we should get JP, Vai, Azagthoth, Head, Munkey, and whoever else and
have something like a G3 tour... except its just a big tour of 7 string axe
players. RRRRRRa.
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:24:13 -0500
From: Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cynic audio or video boots?
Message-ID: <199610162125.OAA17410@pawn.ax.com>
Hi All,
A friend of mine is looking for any audio of video boots by the band
Cynic. If you have anything like this please e-mail me with you list
so I can tell him. Take it easy.
Jason
Currently Playing: Vauxdvihl - To Dimension Logic
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jason T Breitweg (jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu) |
| Ich bin ein Dream Theaterfan |
+---------------=> http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe <=----------------+
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Date: 16 Oct 96 17:27:12 EDT
From: Olaf Bode <100734.3240@CompuServe.COM>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CARPE DIEM / ??
Message-ID: <961016212712_100734.3240_EHV89-3@CompuServe.COM>
Oops, pardon me for jumping in, if this is the YtseJam mailing
list. Believe me, I dont want disturb your thoughts! Go on, to
think about the definition of prog, your dada dodo oo games or
how to store your xxx hundred CDs or to whatever !
Pat Daugherty, you wrote :
**Subject: CARPE DIEM
I sent Marcel (v932407@si.hhs.nl) a message a few weeks ago
making sure he had a valid address to send me the cd since I
have moved. I received no response and dont know if he got it or
not. It has been a long time since he gave an update on the discs.
It seems to me that only European jammers have received the discs.***
That's a joke, isn't it ? I'm waiting since more than six months ......
***Marcel, what is the story on your boot cds?****
The story behind ? It's very simple : Why can't you wait until it's your
turn ? <bg> ....... Marcel told ME this a few weeks ago!
Try this address : Harrie Dechering, decherin@xs4all.nl
and ask for the CD you're waiting for.
Larry Odneal, you wrote :
***This has been brought up many times - my experience is that
Tim doesn't answer his e-mail too regularly, BUT he eventually does
deliver the goods. I ordered InstruMENTAL II in April, was informed that
it was temporarily out of stock in May, and finally received it in July. ***
You lucky one ....., I'm still waiting
***In all that time, I sent 3 or 4 messages to Tim and got maybe 1 reply,
but as I said, I did get the CD. I get the feeling that someone is pressing
these CDs "as needed", and maybe they wait for a certain number to be
ordered. Hope you can be patient.***
mmm, I don't think so, because you can order this CD in Europe too,
but you're right if you say we've to be very patient.
Some Jammer need more than four months to send out a few
tapes or CD's, but that's another story. I dont wanna start a new
discussion of the bad traders on the list, but it seems there are
more than we will ever know .. Perhaps I'll tell you this story next
time, but before I do that, I hope these Jammers will e-mail me
and clear up the situation very soon.
Once again, pardon me for jumping in and I wishya back the
silence you need for finding out whats the definition of prog,
your visual music games and how to store your CDs, but
dont forget : This is the DT mailing list and not the newsgroup
for the talented do-it-yourselfer !
C'YA
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 15:13:29 MDT
From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Neil Gallop - insane?
Message-ID: <vines.0,16+tzINma@vines.ColoState.EDU>
Jammers & Neil
First, Neil Gallop; please email me. We have lost contact and I
am pretty sure my server is no longer sending my messages
your way. Thanks.
Neil might be insane ("strait-jacket"; approx his own words) but he brings
up a good point:
>Lots of postings about Mr. Moore (or less) at the moment, and I was wondering
>how many of his die-hard fans/supporters would rave about the Chromakey stuff
>if they had heard it for the first time without knowing who it was by. I must
>admit I was very disappointed by what I heard. Perhaps I might have thought
>"hmm, interesting, some potential, listen again in a year or so" if I hadn't
>known who it was.
I am under the impression that we are often impartial to material
written and performed by musicians that we know or respect and newcomers
are not so readily accepted. I was guilty of buying everything Phil Collins
did solo and I find that I do not play it so much anymore (he does have some
excellent tracks on his solo albums but most is mediocre). I want to give
Kevin Moore credit for stating his musical interests and pursuing them even
if it meant leaving DT. No matter what genre he will choose to develop I hope
that he is held to the highest expectations of the new and old fans, and not rest
on his laurels. It is MHO that he is a very talented musician and will succeed
in rising to the top once again.
Speaking of giving new talent a fair listen, I must give my .02c worth of hurrah
for CLOCKWORK. I have had "Weaving Webs of TIme" in my cassette deck for a
week now and I cannot bring myself to play anything else. NOT a DT clone by
any means and it fits my expectations and interests in rock music almost entirely.
Later;
Kevin D.
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:49:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Analog Kid <jalfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Working Man
Message-ID: <199610162149.RAA28369@mail.caribe.net>
>I have a copy of the lyrics at
>http://www.monmouth.com/~rquezada/RQs_CDLyric.html
>
>The only thing is that they're in a "lyric file" format for my CD Player,
>but if you take out the time codes, you can see the words.
>
>rq
>
>
Thanks man!!!!
---==>Uh.. burrito.<==----
Jalfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:14:53 EDT
From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rude "Welcoming' Comments (oxymoron?)
Message-ID: <19961016.161259.4831.0.EdWilk@juno.com>
'Ello
>Well, well, well. I'm glad that Ed has decided to travel the civil
>route
>in introducing himself to us.
>
Oh apparently you didn't see my other two or three or so posts.
That wasn't my introduction note. Glad to see The Digital Man is paying
attention.
>Just as a point of clarification, Ed, there are a great many topics
>which
>were once beaten to death on this list (as I'm sure there are on
>others)
>which simply are not fair game for further discussions. The reason
>for
>that is that those of us that were here during those discussions
>realize
>now how silly they were, and we'd like to avoid such a waste of time
>in
>the future.
Sure! I completely understand you don't want to hear these
subject again. Now, before every message, you have the option of looking
at the subject header, or scanning the message. If it doesn't have
content of interest to you, SKIP IT.
>constructive. No one ever agrees with the dissenting opinion. No one
>ever remembers how specific people felt. It's pointless. We say so
>not
>because we're elitists, but because we already found out the hard way.
"We say so"? Do you have multiple-personality disorder? I wasn't
looking for an argument, I was looking to see how many people liked ACOS
more than IAW, and was told, basically, to shut up. I don't appreciate
that.
>Now, as for personal insults against other list subscribers who
>disagree
>with you on things, well that's just juvenile, and it has no place
>here.
Actually, he never said he disagreed with me, he just told me to
take my question elsewhere.
>Perhaps we are not the ones who need to grow up. Rather, maybe you
Again, "we"? I was talking to and about Carlos.
>should gain a better appreciation of how this list works before trying
>to
>contribute, to make sure that what you do contribute is valuable
>information or well-conceived opinion, and not this drivel you have
>subjected us to.
>
Don't worry, I know how listservs work. I'm on a few, actually.
And as with all lists I've ever seen, there are questions asked. That is
the only way someone can learn, or, in the case of the question I posted,
find out what the general opinions of the people are. I have found out,
so far, that people here generally stick their noses in the air to
questions asked by newcomers to the list and those who ask them. Not the
most kind welcome, I'd say.
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:54:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Analog Kid <jalfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT on Oprah?
Message-ID: <199610162154.RAA28566@mail.caribe.net>
> I think Oprah is an excellent example of the medioctrity America's
> general population puts up with/accepts. I would also hate to see DT
> appear in People magazine or as cameos on "Friends" (a show that
> hasn't been very funny since its rookie season). It is all the same
> lowest-common-denomenator entertainment. Just like Stephen King is
> the McDonald's of literature.
>
> I can see Bush, Pres. USA, George Michael, etc. joining Oprah. These
> are the artists most of America will accept as excellent.
>
> Is this sounding elitist? Yes. Am I slamming these kinds of artists
> or their listeners? No. I like some of George Michael's stuff (don't
> spend my money on it, though). I just don't want DT grouped there.
>
I totally agree with you on this one. Oprah is not the place for
DT... In fact it would be a shame. Hell, I bet not even a 20% of the people
that faithfully watch oprah know what DT is... Housewifes... Couch
Potatoes.. etc etc..
---==>Uh.. burrito.<==----
Jalfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:47:47 +1000 (EST)
From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ACOS tab
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961017074657.8874C-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
I thought that a few people on the list, around this time last
year, had worked out the tab for this song. What happened?
See ya - Brenden
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:06:23 -0600 (CST)
From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ACOS tab
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961016170609.61872A-100000@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
It is a 6 string acoustc??????
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On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, BRENDEN R. THOMSON wrote:
>
> I thought that a few people on the list, around this time last
> year, had worked out the tab for this song. What happened?
>
> See ya - Brenden
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:16:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning Blurb from Metal Blade
Message-ID: <v01520d00ae8ab93b2420@[207.90.116.65]>
Here's what I got from Maria at Metal Blade concerning the new FW LP:
Fates release date is unknown. They record in a couple
of weeks. Kevin will play keys (but is not part of the
band per se) and Joey Vera will play bass.
maria
Sounds interesting. I guess it's supposed to be one big song, too. 60+
minutes...cool!
Later,
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Yeah, I've heard of them...as well as some other 'Jammers.
They have three major releases out, plus one indie self-titled release.
The three major releases are Saviour Machine, Saviour Machine II, and Live
in Deutchland (sp?). The first two are available on Intense Records, and
Mammoth Records (I think). The third one, I'm not sure what label (I don't
have it).
They are a California band, and they have gotten a lot of support from
German tours. They are really good. I love 'em!! They're not like DT,
but they are definitely progressive. Very dark, moody, and gothic. Eric
Clayton has an excellent voice, and his lyrics are full of imagery. Many
religious views in the lyrics, but quite unorthodox. They *were*
predominantly sold within the CBA (Christian Booksellers Association) on
Intense/Frontline Records, but due to controversy over lyrical content and
theatrical events the CBA recalled the debut album.
Currently they are looking for a mainstream label, if not already on one.
They are writing and preparing a 3-disc trilogy, and the first CD is due
out in Jan/Feb '97...but deadlines are meant to be broken.
Later,
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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There other stuff is great. Machine Fish is their most "laid-back,"
though. There first two were produced by Sam Taylor (of King's X and
Atomic Opera fame). Machine Fish and their newest Feel The Rage (EP) were
produced by their drummer Alan Doss.
Of all of their albums, I'd rank 'em as such (IMO):
1. Space In Your Face
2. Machine Fish
3. Galactic Cowboys
All three albums and the EP are great. SIYF has the most progressive stuff
on it (especially track #32, "Still Life Of Peace"). They do a lot with
4-part harmonies, which makes me think of KX or AiC. If you like Machine
Fish, it's a safe bet to say that you'd like there others. The s/t and
SIYF are on Geffen Goldline, which means about $8 for a BRAND NEW CD!!!
The Feel The Rage EP just came out on Oct 8th, and it should be around $10.
It's got 1 new GC song, plus 2 covers, and 2 live tracks.
Also, you can check the URL in my sig for more info on GC. I'd like to
think of it as a fairly comprehensive GC site... :)
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:02:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
Subject: Re: you asked for it...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961016190133.9799J-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Someone asked about bad traders and well the bad traders I have come
> across are:
>
> Al Balkewicz
> lives in New Jersey
hmmm/. i'm not too far from there. want me to kick his ass for ya? :)
-----------------------------------------------
Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant
email: syrinx@dreamt.org
mostrich@worldnet.att.net
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..and once you gift the gift away there's nothing you can do
about it. nothing that you do or say can change the way i feel about
it. try to look inside of me to find the gift that i am giving. glad
you had a chance to see the gift that i'm delivering."
- bob mould.
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:22:56 +0100
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1934
Message-ID: <cxPYcCAABWZyEw4N@demon.co.uk>
>Hey folks,
>
>Has anyone heard of this band Kula Shaker?
>Cool new sound.....
>Their stuff almost sounds like a cross between Floyd and Phish.......but it's
>far from DT
Yeah, bought the album "K" the day it came out (the cardboard cover
thing ) its nothing like DT though, but i am glad a band has arrived
that kicks the shit out of all those "Brit pop" bands.
Maybe Oasis,Pulp,Blur(yuk) have had their day and we can look forward to
a new wave of proper British rock music from now on.
I'm sure they will do well in the U.S. cos they have a sound that's not
to far away from all those great bands of old.
If its of interest to anyone the Kula Shaker web site is at
http://www.anderson-lembke.co.uk/Kula/Kulanews.html
The best description of their sound is and i quote"Magical mystery tour-
period Beatles,late-1960's Pink Floyd,Hendrix,Stone Roses,Indian
philosophy,and music,man"
-- Gary Cleghorn Who lives in Newcastle ,voted 8th best party city in the WORLD ,yeah.Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: baaad people list, how's PT?, theres 1st but wheres 2nd, a Message-ID: <199610170000.RAA13273@fraser>
i've been actually pretty lucky with my trades. but my friend, who's not on the jam anymore once tried to get a boot from Dr. Mosh (who i think still is on the list)...she contacted him in August of last year about a QR video. she sent him a cheque for it, and he cashed it right away. since then she has tried numerous times (probably around 10) to get him to send her video. she admits that he's been very nice, and appologetic each time he replied (and he did reply every time), but he always said that he'd send the video next week, or next weekend. and the video never came. there was an excuse that he didn't have a second vcr. but it's been over a year now, and if he couldn't get a second vcr he shouldn't have agreed to the deal and cashed the cheque. anyways, i don't know if any others have had problems with Dr. Mosh, but there is at least one person who has. Dr. Mosh, if you're still on this list, please send Kinga her video. she's been too patient.
tim
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