YTSEJAM digest 1932

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Date: Wed Oct 16 1996 - 04:59:24 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Ytse Con III - Thoughts!
     by Joseph Cristina <joecr@ici.net>
      2) St. Louis Con...
     by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
      3) KevMo gripes
     by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@switzerland-c.it.earthlink.net>
      4) If it ain't broke, break it
     by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
      5) Re: Working Man
     by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@shell.monmouth.com>
      6) Con Shirt sales...
     by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
      7) The infamous CD Cellar?
     by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
      8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1931
     by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
      9) Re: Keb Mo, Bafu
     by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
     10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1931
     by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
     11) Re: Bernd / Superior / prog underground
     by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
     12) Good CD review URLs, chance to get your stuff reviewed!!!
     by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
     13) hi all!! the CON!
     by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
     14) LIE quest
     by Uncle.Dave@asu.edu

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    Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:26:59 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Joseph Cristina <joecr@ici.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Ytse Con III - Thoughts!
    Message-ID: <199610160326.XAA24185@uhura.ici.net>

    Thoughts:
    1. Mike Bahr's CDs sold quicker than Rush tix did!!! (BTW: My seats
        for the Fleet Center Show in Boston is Section 6 (Floor), Row 15,
        Seats 3-10. (Did You did that info. D-Man?)
    2. I agree with Pat about play Laser tag with Jeff Chow. When he was
        in 'spy mode', he was shooting everyone on his team! He was like a
        chicken with his head cut off! :)
    3. Great Job to Mike Ostrich & Rob Barker on their live Performance.
    4. We got to hear the new 'Precious Things' CD!!!!
    5. Got the lastest tip from Mike Bahr's on why to join the DT Fan Club!
        DO IT or YOU'LL BE SORRY!
    6. The expensive Hotel rooms (with a shoe buffer!), $1.25 soda machines,
        and computized check outs on the TV set!
    7. Finally, I got to meet 'most' of the jammers even thou I lurk :)
    8. I'm the Daytona USA Champion, better Luck next time at the next Con
        Johnny Motown :)

    * Mike, did you like the Sammy Hagar Birthday Bash Video from Cabo Wabo?

    Joe
    joecr@ici.net

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    Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:14:33 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
    To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: St. Louis Con...
    Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961015221135.12966A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>

    After attending the Con in NY this past weekend, and seeing all the
    demand for another Con in the Midwest (hopefully one that will actually
    happen), I've begun thinking about Con IV (or whatever it will be
    called), and I think I'm going to head it up. :) I'll let you all know
    as things progress.

    One of these day's I'll get around to a Con review, and I'll try to get
    out a new Tshirt update sometime Thursday.

     
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    Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:55:43 +0000
    From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@switzerland-c.it.earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: KevMo gripes
    Message-ID: <199610160348.UAA04700@austria.it.earthlink.net>

    On 15 Oct 96 at 20:24, ytsejam@ax.com spewed forth the following
    words:

    > I think Kevin is a Fucking Idiot! (sorry, Bafu, kicks are for Trids). He
    > left one of the greatest bands of all time because he thought he could do
    > better solo. Wrong! The failures far outweigh the exceptions. Even Sting
    > isn't as talented as he thought he was without The Policeman.

    the way i understood it, Kevin left because he simply wanted to go in
    a different musical direction. i hadn't heard anything about him
    having an attitude about doing better as a solo artist. after
    listening to Chromakey, i think it's safe that he's not trying to do
    better commercially, since it's not very marketable material imo.
    (i happen to love the tape, i just don't think it would be well
    recieved by the mass public).

    so i'm curious what you mean by "he thought he could do better solo".
    sometimes people just want to take a different musical direction, it
    doesn't make them bad people. or "fucking idiots".
     
    Andrew
      

                Andrew Miller - Keyboardist/Vocalist - SubtleRage
        http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage - subtlerage@earthlink.net

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    Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:48:24 -0400 (EDT)
    From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
    To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: If it ain't broke, break it
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610152302.G6387-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>

    > From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
    > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1930
    >
    > Look, I'm sorry if YOU don't want to listen to it, but I'm curious as
    > to what everyone else thinks. I really couldn't care less if this has
    > been done before, it hasn't been done since I've been here. I can't stand
    > elitists who think that because THEY'VE been there longer, they shouldn't
    > have to put up with repeat content. Grow up.
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > Hey! Lookie here! A ytsejammer without something stuck up his
    > ass! Maybe you should follow his lead, Carlos...

    Well, well, well. I'm glad that Ed has decided to travel the civil route
    in introducing himself to us.

    Just as a point of clarification, Ed, there are a great many topics which
    were once beaten to death on this list (as I'm sure there are on others)
    which simply are not fair game for further discussions. The reason for
    that is that those of us that were here during those discussions realize
    now how silly they were, and we'd like to avoid such a waste of time in
    the future. Engaging in these discussions never results in anything
    constructive. No one ever agrees with the dissenting opinion. No one
    ever remembers how specific people felt. It's pointless. We say so not
    because we're elitists, but because we already found out the hard way.

    That's why your welcome letter discusses the use of private e-mail for
    opinion polls.

    Now, as for personal insults against other list subscribers who disagree
    with you on things, well that's just juvenile, and it has no place here.
    Perhaps we are not the ones who need to grow up. Rather, maybe you
    should gain a better appreciation of how this list works before trying to
    contribute, to make sure that what you do contribute is valuable
    information or well-conceived opinion, and not this drivel you have
    subjected us to.

    Welcome to the list.
    -Chris

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    Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:52:58 -0400
    From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@shell.monmouth.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Working Man
    Message-ID: <199610160349.XAA22273@shell.monmouth.com>

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    > From: Analog Kid <jalfaro@caribe.net>
    > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    > Subject: Working Man
    > Date: 15 October, 1996 22:38
    >
    > Uh, Yeah I was wondering if u guys knew any site where I can find
    > the Working Man lyrics, or at least most of them, from a Rush page or
    > something..
    >
    >
    > ---==>Uh.. burrito.<==----
    > Jalfaro@Caribe.net
    >
    I have a copy of the lyrics at
    http://www.monmouth.com/~rquezada/RQs_CDLyric.html

    The only thing is that they're in a "lyric file" format for my CD Player,
    but if you take out the time codes, you can see the words.

    rq

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    Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:13:40 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
    To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Con Shirt sales...
    Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961015231207.13120A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>

    Ok, I've gone through what I have remaining of the shirts here... if
    anyone who was at the Con had to get a XL because I ran out of M, L, or
    XXL, or would otherwise care to exchange for another shirt, please let me
    know through email right away, and we'll work something out... THanks...

     
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    Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 21:36:12 -0000
    From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
    To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: The infamous CD Cellar?
    Message-ID: <199610160433.VAA04255@pawn.ax.com>

    Beavis wrote the following in Ytsejam #1931:

    [CD Cellar]
    >Anyone else got personal experiences with this seller? I don't want to
    >blast them too much if I just happened to be the only one...

    Do they send out big e-mail lists on occasion? If so, I personally don't
    trust them simply due to the fact that every time I requested to be
    removed from the mailing list, I just continued to get more mail! (And
    it was a human being reading those messages.) People who continue to
    send unsolicited mail torque me. :P

    Jen

     o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals.
     ((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our
    O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking)
     O/ \O

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    Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 01:06:40 -0400
    From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1931
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961016050640.2e376798@pop.negia.net>

    Hey fellow Ytsejammers (tm)...

    Da Analog Kid (jalfaro@caribe.net) sayz:

    > Uh, Yeah I was wondering if u guys knew any site where I can find
    >the Working Man lyrics, or at least most of them, from a Rush page or
    >something..

    Try the National Midnight Star homepage,
    http://www.syrinx.umd.edu/rush.html. Lots of cool stuff there, including
    lyrics. If you want directions to Working Man alone, try
    http://syrinx.umd.edu/rush/RUSH/01.rush.html#workingman (which is just an
    offshoot of the NMS page actually).

    And now for something completely different -- a man with three buttocks.

    Er, actually, I mean, is there a Fates Warning homepage? Everybody here
    raves about FW but I have yet to pick up any of their stuff. I would look in
    the issue of the Jam that the FAQ (sort of) appeared in, but I've already
    deleted it mistakenly.

    DT content: Does *anybody* have any idea how long it's going to be before
    the band starts actually recording the new album? I check the Jeff Chew
    website frequently and keep seeing new songs added, with no start date in
    site. Now, while I have no problem with seeing 90+ minutes of music written,
    I know they're going to have to cut something somewhere. (Unless they're
    planning on releasing it as a double-CD set? Wishful thinking...) If anybody
    knows, let me know! I haven't yet seen DT in concert and my desire to see
    them's growing to a low-grade fever!

    Cheers,
    Phil

    --------------------------------------------
    Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net
    "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no
    longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain
    new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals

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    Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 00:57:08 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Keb Mo, Bafu
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93l.961016004720.18234A-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>

    On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Brian wrote:
    > I'm complaining. If he were to join a prog rock group, that would make
    > his whole departure from DT senseless. From the limited stuff I've heard
    > of Derek, I think Kevin was a better player. But then again, I've just
    > heard some live shows and ACoS, which much of the original was played by
    > Kevin anyway. We'll see on the new album.
    >
    There are a couple things to keep in mind. First of all, it's been two
    years since Kevin left DT. He may have evolved further back towards prog.
    His chroma key demos are a lot different than the things he did
    immediately after leaving. Also, it seems like (if this rumor's true, as I
    hope it is) he's not really joining Fates, just playing on the album. It's
    quite possible that there are only small parts of the song requiring
    keyboards. And Fates is a lot different from DT. When you're in DT, you
    spend all your time jamming with the band in order to write the songs,
    whereas in Fates, Jim writes songs and everyone else gets a tape and
    learns them, which seems much less time consuming to me. Dream Theater is
    a full-time job, and I think Kevin left not so much because he wasn't in
    to the music as it was keeping him from doing other stuff. And while I was
    heartbroken at the time, I'm glad he left, because the music he's made
    since then is, in my opinion, awesome, and I don't think he could have
    done it if he were still in the band.

    -Max

    Anton Max
    Keyboards, Aepithex
    MadMax+@cmu.edu
    http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html

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    Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 01:09:49 -0500
    From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1931
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961016060949.006a36f0@enteract.com>

    >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:26:55 EDT
    >From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
    > Look, I'm sorry if YOU don't want to listen to it, but I'm curious as
    >to what everyone else thinks. I really couldn't care less if this has
    >been done before, it hasn't been done since I've been here. I can't stand
    >elitists who think that because THEY'VE been there longer, they shouldn't
    >have to put up with repeat content. Grow up.
    > Hey! Lookie here! A ytsejammer without something stuck up his
    >ass! Maybe you should follow his lead, Carlos...

    Hey man, there are plenty of decaffeinated brands on the market that are
    just as tasty as the real thing.
    Let me stick up for Carlos... he wasn't trying to cut you down, rather, he
    was making a suggestion. People are getting too sensitive toward the wrong
    things, and missing the important issues altogether.

    >> Don't know about the rest, sorry, I'm still pissed off about that
    >> Oprah/Yanni comment. What's that shit all about?
    >
    >Let me guess: It's okay to like Yanni in the same sense that it's okay
    >to like Oprah, or disco, or Cheez Whiz. (Actually, what I've heard of him,
    >I like.)

    Are you mad about _MY_ comment about Yanni being on Oprah? Because it was
    meant as a compliment. Hell, I'd be proud as hell if DT were on Oprah. I
    think Yanni's got a lot to offer. So does Oprah. Wow. They could be good
    friends. The could write new age talk shows together...

    Hasta.

    "I'm afraid of politicians who have no hobbies." - A.R.U.

    Christopher Ptacek EnterAct, L.L.C. We don't suck.
                                         We now have proof.
    http://www.enteract.com (312) 248-8511
                   "#1 ISP in the Midwest, #3 in the USA."
                          - C|Net (http://www.cnet.com)

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    Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:55:37 +0100
    From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Bernd / Superior / prog underground
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961016075537.006d6e64@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>

    Hi!

    Dave King wrote:

    >OK I'm a bit late on this, but this is to clarify my position on Superior
    >when I saw your last post on the jam. First of all, are you a member of the
    >band?
    Yes, I play one of the 2 guitars...

    >Earlier this week, I posted to the jam saying that Superior was a big
    >disappointment for me. This has less to do with their ability or style than
    >all the hailing done on the jam that created big expectations on my side. I
    >thought Sup would be quite near DT, but IMO sounds much more like Vanden
    >Plas and alikes. So I just wanted to clarify that my disappointment was
    >relative to high expectations. I don't question their quality, but
    >originality.
    No problem with me. :) Not everybody can like everything so
    if you don't like our music that much, it's your very own
    opinion and I'm happy about EVERY critic about our music.
    Well, if you thought that we'd sound like DT... No. We don't.
    And we even don't want to sound like DT ... or anyone else... :)

    >yes, Sup is HM. Judas And Manowar don't exist anymore and today's HM is
    >more subtle and prog, taken over by bands like VP, Sup, Sav, Angra,
    >Conception, etc. etc.
    Well, that Manowar doesn't exist anymore is not true! Look at
    the German charts and you'll see that they are number 7(!!!!)
    of the German music charts that contain all kinds of music!
    I think this is weird somehow... but anyway.

    >If prog is to be the voice of HM in the 2000s, so be it. I couldn't be more
    >happy about it.
    I couldn't have said it better. :)

    Another thing...
    I won't be online 'til the 30th October from now on because
    of our Germany tour... so if anyone wants to email me ...
    try to be a little patient, ok? :)

    Bye.

    Bernd.

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    Date: 16 Oct 96 10:05:49 +0200
    From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Good CD review URLs, chance to get your stuff reviewed!!!
    Message-ID: <9610161005.aa49@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>

    Hello ye 'jamanoids of the outer cyberspace...

    Some of you just might like to check out a few places for album reviews.
    Here's two places I know:

    Scream (a Norse metal fanzine)

    http://www.gi.no/scream/cdreviews/rev__.html
                                      
    Insert review # in the empty spave before the last dot. AFAIK, at
    least reviews 28 - 31 exist at this time, that makes some 700 album
    reviews.

    Scream reviews something like 150+ albums in every issue, including
    every possible area of metal, ranging from prog rock to extreme black
    metal. They have a specialized reviewer for every genre, so the reviews
    are pretty high class. Btw, Madsword is reviewed in there, as well as
    Angra, Stratovarius and maybe a few others you might like to know a
    little more about... :)

    ..and another good one is:

    http://www.dse.nl/inferno/issue_/

    Again, insert issue # in the blank space. AFAIK, issues 7-9 should be
    available. There will be a review of Clockwork in the issue 10, which
    will come out in late November.

    Inferno concentrates a bit more to the darker sides of metal, but you
    will find all sorts of cool stuff in there...

    One reviewer of Inferno happens to be a pal of mine and he will gladly
    review your demos in Inferno. If you're intending to have your demos
    reviewed, contact him. Here's his email address:

               mega@lut.fi.

    He has a LOT of demos to review for issue 10 (Nov/Dec), but he will
    eventually review all the stuff you send him. I hope this helps at least
    someone to get some more coverage! Good luck!

    _Mape_

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    Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 01:45:52 -0700 (MST)
    From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: hi all!! the CON!
    Message-ID: <199610160845.BAA06981@goodguy.goodnet.com>

            Well, I was gonna write some clear, concise commentary on the con,
    but I just can't... it's still a whirlwind of imagery and memory.

            I sold the Precious Things alpha to Johnny Motown, and the three
    betas went to Chris Oates, Paul Cashman (I think) and one other person I
    cannot seem to remember just now. I really can't. This is really starting
    to bother me. :) They all went for like 80 quid apiece, so they were
    definitely the collector's gems of the show, and they hold pace with Ed
    Polzin's Subconscious #000 pre-alpha #1 for relative value. The Inside The
    Storm discs went for 60 each, a big surprise for me. Ironically, the copy
    of Acoustic Dreams I brought was bought for $35. :)

            So, uh, guys? Does it suck, or is your silence in awe at the
    majestic splendour of Precious Things? Or are you just still tired from
    the plane trip like I am? :)

            For those who are wondering, Charone and Rachel are every bit as
    sweet in person as they are here on the Jam. Ah, to be single again.

            It was mega-cool meeting with all of you... having a decent time
    and all, I am still trying to remember just who all was there. Tim Spear,
    hope you enjoyed the little holiday this side of the pond. Joe Cristina,
    that video tape KICKS ASS!!! Pat Griffin put together some
    fan-fuckin'-tastic T-shirts for the Jam. If you didn't get one before they
    were gone, tough shit: they were good. E-mail him and you might get lucky,
    if he had extras left over. Brian Kirk was on hand to hand out the "real"
    cover to WDATU, and even sign it here and there... coolness! Q-Zar has
    nothing on Laser Quest or Tracer for game balance and equipment
    consistency. (grin) You'd think they'd have built more malls by now, in
    that area, given what we witnessed there.

    AWARDS TIME!! ! (fanfare here...)

    The Screaming Eagle Of The Air Award goes to...TIM SPEAR! Having crossed
    an ocean to come to the con, he was miles ahead of even Charone, Chris,
    and the other Californians for endurance in travel.

    The Golden Steering Wheel Award goes to...JOHNNY MOTOWN!! When all the
    cars in the groups suddenly departed from Q-Zar leaving eight of us
    standing at the walk, John Mastin not only stuck me with a map, list of
    directions, and keen eyesight into the navigator's chair, but made two
    separate trips from the Long Island mall to LaGuardia... then back
    home!!!...just to make sure nobody would be stuck out in nowhereland. And
    we only got lost in Queens once, saw one drug deal, almost had less than a
    dozen bad drivers hit us (counting one ambulance), and dinged the exit
    barrier at the airport BOTH times coming on it. I'm rather proud of him!!

    The Damsel In Distress Award goes to...RACHEL GOLDENBERG! Not only does
    she live in a place strangely devoid of on-ramps, but she forgot how to
    get there when we were trying to take her home. (grin) Time to go back to
    them maps, dearest Wisha!

    The Tuba Has Priority Over Me Award goes to.... ME! Yup, for the second
    half of my flight to NYC, I had to sit in the kitchen because all the
    seats were taken, and I had been on a standby reduced-rate ticket, even
    though one seat was taken up by a TUBA that could have sat perfectly well
    in the cargo hold down below if you ask me. :) And sport jackets DO make a
    difference.. Delta stuck me in FIRST CLASS the entire way home! Both
    connecting flights!! Talk about being pampered! !! :)

    The Thanks a Lot For Finishing My Mario 64 Game While I Was Gone award
    goes to... LOUIS IZQUIERDO! This lurker will probably never post, and good
    thing, because I ought to deck him one. While I was traipsing around all
    of greater New York, he took my Mario 64 cart to his place and decided to
    go ahead and finish the game.. so now I gotta start over. Argh.

    The Tailor Of The Year Award goes to...PAT GRIFFIN! Yes, it's true, the
    rumours you hear are confirmed: there now exists a Ytsejam shirt that
    features... I'm so excited I can hardly type it... COLOR!!! Yes, color.
    These shirts are top of the rock, and were even available in XXXL for some
    of my fatter friends back home.

    The Destination-Actually-Exists-For-A-Change Award goes to D-MAN this time
    around!! Yes, though we worried for a moment when the LI Mall was having
    construction done, and figured that instead of taking us to a restaurant
    that no longer existed, D-Man had led us to one that hadn't even been
    built yet, D-Man's plans didn't go awry at all this time around. Way to
    go, Head Count Coordinator!!! One... two... three... :)

    The Enter Sandman Award goes to... CHRIS OATES! I actually managed to
    sleep a little on the plane, and Paul and Pat actually got some shut-eye,
    thanks to Chris being tired enough to begin our return-to-hotel saga late
    that Saturday night so he could sleep. Where logic fails, anatomy takes
    over.

    The Acoustic Dreams Award goes to... IBANEZ and SYRINX!! What a cool
    acoustic set that was! I could tell Mike didn't want to shred his vocal
    cords, and was taking a few things an octave down, but it was in tune and
    sung emotionally, which is what matters. I hope I didn't ruin Silent Man
    too badly. :) I almost expected Take It Easy and/or Hotel Cali, but the
    set that was played was quite good.

    The Locals Rule Award goes to... NATE BRADLEY! Because locals rule,
    especially when forced to be non-local simultaneously and solve dilemmae.

    Finally, thanks to everyone I've not yet specifically mentioned, you're
    still part of the Great Jumble Of Events that took place, in my mind, and
    believe me, you DID matter. That was one hell of a Con. For all those who
    missed it... well, you shouldn't have missed it, fools! :)

            Waiting for Ytsecon IV with enough CDs to go around next time, I
    swear....

    - Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - Scoobaca RULES!

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    Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 01:51:29 -0700 (MST)
    From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
    To: JAMMER DUDES <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: LIE quest
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961016011508.9895A-100000@general5.asu.edu>

    hello my dear thespians,

    i must say that i am one lucky s.o.b. a few posts ago mikeb let us know
    how he somehow managed to try tomonopolize the supply of lie singles in
    arizona by buying out best buy's copies of it. now i figured,"ah what the
    hell he just bought the ones from the store closest to him (i think that's
    the mesa store?) i then called every frigging best buy in the phoenix area
    and guess what? mike is too damn good. now i know that someone else
    could have bought them or the store just didn't have em, but iiiii know
    it's mike! (jk). anyways after reading his post i conned by girlfriend
    into driving me to a best buy _in the opposite direction_ (the
    pavillions) of mike's house to see if i had a chance in hell at beating
    mike to his pillage of the best buy phoenix metropolitan chain. i ran as
    fast as i could to the cd section, dashed down the a-f isle
    and.....nothing. it was not pretty. i don't think i've cried like that
    in a long time (maybe d.o.b. when doctor smack my bum). now this is the
    ironic part. in the midst of my tears my girlfriend said "is this what
    you were looking for?" IT WAS TSM! i then alliterated "Oh shit" all the
    way up to the counter. when i got to the parking lot i thought *ok, i
    beat mikeb to the punch neener neener :)* but then it dawned on me i
    didn't find _exactly_ what i needed.

    Well my quest was finally ended the next day (today... or yesterday for
    that matter, WHEN THE FUCK AM I?) i called all over phoenix until i found
    it. LIE. i orgasmed. this time i got my girlfriend again and conned
    her, again, into driving me to a tower records about 30 miles away. she
    agreed. this time i alliterated "Oh shit" on the way there. It changed
    to "Oh fuck" when i got to store, and when i bought it i was speechless.

    as a disclaimer i did not write this to say that i indirectly had a
    pissing contest with mikeb. i happen to think that mike is the best
    person to do business with and a cool guy (no ass kissing, just the raw
    truth). i just thought it was funny how his post sparked me to act like i
    did. i am such an ass.

    i guess sugar DOES affect me.

            
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