YTSEJAM Digest 1930
Today's Topics:
1) Kewl find
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
2) I felt an urge to write...
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) voting
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@mo.net>
4) Thing girls' holding
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
5) Resource Reliability
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
6) Columbus Day/Extreme Tribute
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
7) St. Louis/Precious Things
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
8) Bernd / Superior / prog underground
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
9) A Change of Seasons Debate
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
10) Test for Echo
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
11) Lemur Voice/Rush Concert
by Scott McCammon <mccammsa@cs.purdue.edu>
12) RE: Lemur Voice/Rush Concert
by "SchuBert" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
13) help! FiL.
by "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
14) Re:
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) Re: Kewl find
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) Re: A Change of Seasons Debate
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
17) Keb Mo, Bafu
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
18) ircle
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
19) Aykoz Debate!
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
20) Re: Lemur Voice
by shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
21) Ford Expires Suck
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:25:55 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kewl find
Message-ID: <199610150428.XAA19747@Walden.MO.NET>
Hey, guess what I came across at yet another used CD store today
(Slackers in O'Faloon, IL). Enchant's "A Blueprint of the World" CD
for, get this, $2. I kinda dig it. Definitely more prog rock than
DT, but I can see some influences there from first listen.
Definitely worth 2 measly bucks. I also licked up Galactic Cowboy's
EP at Best Buy. Cool stuff. BTW, Slackers also sells used PC games
at a buy 1 get 1 free thing (and at reduced prices, of course).
Don't know how good quality they are, but they have a pretty decent
selection fo stuff. I think I might have to check them out again...
Hope y'all enjoyed the con. Maybe I'll be there next year
(DEFINITELY if it's in St. Louis, right Rip, hehe... ).
Dale R. Newberry
"Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast."
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:35:55 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I felt an urge to write...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961015043555.006dc308@enteract.com>
>Geez, Bafu, you take things way too seriously nowdays since you have been
>raised from the Ytse-dead. It was just harmless jabbing at you. Didn't
>you see the :P??????
>
>Try to relax a little Bafu, breathe in, breathe out...
Hush, little Bafu... don't you cry. :) Tension in the jam is on its way
back! Ben! Say something stupid! Let's fight again!
>Maybe Yanni
>isn't a great composer based on the opinions of the musically
>edjucated...I'm not one of them, I don't know.
>
>The point is, I like Yanni's stuff because its got a good rythm, and
>carries emotion (with me at least). Personally I think thats the most
>important thing.
Hey now... Yanni is A). NOT a name I'd like to have had my parents bestow
upon me, B). Not on the level of most classical composers (pathetic nobodies
like Mozart... maybe {That's a JOKE! Humor impaired PLEASE forgive me)),
C). Not a BAD composer at all. He has much to offer, mostly to people who
are unfamiliar/intimidated with orchestral compositions. He bridges a gap,
and plays with much emotion. I think that makes up for a lack of Mozartian
(I just wanted to make up a cool word) talent. Like him or love him... it's
up to you... but none of MY favorite bands have ever been on the Oprah show.
>Pat said.....
>"It is a shame that the yankees need a 12 year old and a blind ump to win
>a game..."
It's a shame the Orioles were allowed to have Alomar play in the last game
against the White Sox, in which he hit the game winning home run. He must
have blown somebody for that decision.
> 2: it's called sarcasm, dude. if it offended you, it was not my
>intention, but take it in the way it meant, and hey, you won't get
>offended as easily.
Why don't you just fucking say "I'm sorry" instead of implying that he's
somehow less apt to understand what he reads than you?
>
> 3: it _WAS_ funny.
No, it _WAS_ actually pretty lame. And I don't mean to cut you down. I
think you're pretty cool, but I don't think that comment you made even made
sense in the jam... I didn't see any reason for it. That's just me.
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:59:18 -0600
>From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Re: When the fly drops, the ytse will jam
>Message-ID: <v01530501ae832e63f267@[206.104.9.9]>
>How 'bout this one (It's pretty racist, but still funny)
>post if you know what this is:
I know what it is. It's a fucking racist joke told by an ignorant being.
Why do you post shit like this? Do you think all DT fans are White Anglo
Saxons? It's a fucking disgrace. I'd like you to come to Chicago and visit
some neighborhoods around here... tell some of your jokes. I think everyone
will find it humorous... while they whip your ass with your own intestines.
I hate racism. I WILL NOT put up with it.
Good Day.
"I'm afraid of politicians who have no hobbies." - A.R.U.
Christopher Ptacek EnterAct, L.L.C. We don't suck.
We now have proof.
http://www.enteract.com (312) 248-8511
"#1 ISP in the Midwest, #3 in the USA."
- C|Net (http://www.cnet.com)
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:38:22 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: voting
Message-ID: <3263234E.1F63@mo.net>
>Vote for Dole! :)
YEAH!!!! VOTE FOR ME!!! Oops, you said Dole. Sorry. (just kidding, of
course).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:17:43 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Thing girls' holding
Message-ID: <199610150524.XAA20160@cyberhighway.net>
> Hi guys,
> I have a couple of questions:
> What's Ytse?
Ytsejam is Majesty spelled backwards, read the FAQ.
> What's the girl holding on the cover of "Images and Words"?
A cold metal frame, e.g. "Wait for Sleep"
Don't know about the rest, sorry, I'm still pissed off about that
Oprah/Yanni comment. What's that shit all about?
IbnzRG570 aka Mr. Chuckalupugus
Striving for Most Frequent Poseur on the
Dream Theater Mailing list...
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 02:00:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Resource Reliability
Message-ID: <199610150600.CAA25360@cliff.cris.com>
Okay, now that I got some info on Mr. Lodge, I know I'll have to fill up my
patience tank with premium should I decide to patronize his business.
However, for the benefit of us Jammers who might be on a quest across the
internet for bootlegs, perhaps we could contribute names of people TO AVOID.
This would help people like myself from getting burned. For instance, just
last week I heard from someone somewhere (might've been a newsgroup) that CD
Cellar has a bad rap. But I am on their mailing list and not only did they
respond to a query of mine, they sent me an update of their inventory just
the other day....so I don't know what to believe. We all know there are a
lot of baaad people out in cyberspace, so you can't blame me for trying to
be careful.
Everyone's help will be most appreciated.
Now playing: Meat Beat Manifesto, "Subliminal Sandwich".
-Rick Audet
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Date: 15 Oct 1996 01:29:04 CDT
From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Columbus Day/Extreme Tribute
Message-ID: <199610150636.XAA15802@pawn.ax.com>
Hi all! In keeping with the spirit of Columbus Day (the 504th
anniversary of the day that Columbus didn't discover America), I'm going
to share a discovery that I made today with all of you. Maybe it's not
really a discovery, but more of a realization - anyway....
The difference between prog and a lot of today's popular music:
I think that there is experimentation going on in today's popular music-
but it's a different kind of experimentation than the kind we see in
prog. In prog, the experimentation is more with the notes that are
played, whereas with popular music the experimentation is with sounds.
It makes me sound like a music snob, but I (personally) am more
interested in experiments with melodies, chord voicings, and chord
progressions than with many experimental layers of distorted guitar and
things like that.
Synopsis:
Prog=experiment with notes Pop=experiment with sounds
Also - I would like to thank whomever it was that posted the address of
the Extreme list. Thanks to you, a Ytsejammer has successfully
infiltrated the ranks of those who are contributing to the Extreme
tribute album. And no, that Ytsejammer will not be causing trouble - he
will do his best to honor the band who produced "More Than Words" :^
I love you all (in a brotherly way),
Mark Peters
big.swifty@twav.com
PS - My students (TR Miller High School drum line) won best in class
(4A) last Saturday at their contest - almost makes it worthwhile missing
the con - nah, not really - they could have won without me
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Date: 15 Oct 1996 01:49:20 CDT
From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: St. Louis/Precious Things
Message-ID: <199610150656.XAA16203@pawn.ax.com>
Hi all you St. Louis 'jammers. I sincerely hope you guys get the next
Ytsecon. All the friendly shit being said, I also hope the Cardinals don't
enjoy their visit to Atlanta this week. What the hell is this 14-0 crap?
No, I'm not dissing the Cards, I'm just shocked. If the Cards do win,
then I'll be pulling for them to beat the Yankees. But until then, I'm
putting my hopes on the shoulders of Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine.
On a DT note, did his highness Mike Bahr let anyone hear his prototype
copy of the new DT boot, or did he just sell it? Either way, I (and many
others like me) are curious as to what is on there. Someone post on
this, please.
I love you all (in a brotherly way),
Mark Peters
big.swifty@twav.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:53:10 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bernd / Superior / prog underground
Message-ID: <v03007802ae83c56de42d@[128.178.99.94]>
Hi Bernd and all you jammers,
OK I'm a bit late on this, but this is to clarify my position on Superior
when I saw your last post on the jam. First of all, are you a member of the
band?
Earlier this week, I posted to the jam saying that Superior was a big
disappointment for me. This has less to do with their ability or style than
all the hailing done on the jam that created big expectations on my side. I
thought Sup would be quite near DT, but IMO sounds much more like Vanden
Plas and alikes. So I just wanted to clarify that my disappointment was
relative to high expectations. I don't question their quality, but
originality.
I'd also like to add that
yes, Sup is HM. Judas And Manowar don't exist anymore and today's HM is
more subtle and prog, taken over by bands like VP, Sup, Sav, Angra,
Conception, etc. etc.
yes, it is courageous to do HM in the 90s and it is amazing that prog is
such a huge underground phenomena. Yes, you heard it, prog is definitely
one of the biggest underground around. Judge for yourself, the number of
web pages for bands like DT or FW, etc. is impressive, considering the
number of fans. The trade going on, the Con, the merch, this sums up to a
huge underground "industry".
If prog is to be the voice of HM in the 2000s, so be it. I couldn't be more
happy about it.
Cheers,
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
v o x & b a s s
M T - 2 0
"Holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
"I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt)
"Life's a bitch?; so fuck it!!" (dk)
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 06:25:35 EDT
From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A Change of Seasons Debate
Message-ID: <19961015.062321.4831.2.EdWilk@juno.com>
Allrighty then,
I need the opinions of all you ytse jammers out there. I've been in
an ongoing debate of sorts with a friend, a fellow DT fan. He insists
that "Images and Words" is their best album. I say their best is
definitly "A Change of Seasons". Now, regardless of which you think is
the best, please tell me which one you think is the better album.
Ed
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 06:25:35 EDT
From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk III)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Test for Echo
Message-ID: <19961015.062321.4831.1.EdWilk@juno.com>
What does everyone think about this CD? I just got it a few days
ago, and I love it. I'll admit it, it's my first Rush CD. I absolutely
love it. I'm really happy, because not everything I've heard from Rush
really impressed me. I do like "Closer to the Heart" a lot, and my fave
Rush (before this disc) was "Subdivisions" (great, thought-provoking
lyrics and great music), but other than that they hadn't impressed me.
But this disc is just awesome. My new fave Rush song is "Driven". "But
it's my turn to drive... it's my turn to drive..."
Ed
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:22:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Scott McCammon <mccammsa@cs.purdue.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lemur Voice/Rush Concert
Message-ID: <199610151422.JAA29803@lore.cs.purdue.edu>
Here is another happy Lemur Voice listener. Excellant work
Marcel!
Rush: October 26 at Rockford IL. I've scored some tickets to
this show. If anyone else will be there drop me a mail.
Thats it.
-Scott
-- \ / "Find all you need in your mind." - * - mccammsa@cs.purdue.edu is Scott McCammon / \ http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/mccammsa------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:03:37 +0100 (MET) From: "SchuBert" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Lemur Voice/Rush Concert Message-ID: <68661.H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
In message Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT), Scott McCammon <mccammsa@cs.purdue.edu> writes:
> Here is another happy Lemur Voice listener. Excellant work > Marcel! > Yeah, I'm Bert and I come from Weert, Holland. Lemur Voice come from Budel, which is about 10 miles(!) from my home. I actually know some of the band Members. Their name used to be "Aura", but since this name was already in use, they changed it. I've seen them live two times. About a year ago, they were still covering DT (Metropolis, The Mirror, Lie, e.a.), but know they're only playing their own music. Our own bass player knows them very well personally. Their bass player plays a Stick (for those who do not know: SIX bass strings AND SIX guitar strings on ONE neck, to be played only by tapping with both hands, which sounds like a bass and a guitar played at the same time). Their recent first album is really great and sounds a lot like DT, but with a little more weird ehm... time signatures (how do I say this in English??), like 13/8 and 5/4 bars, etc.
Check it out, it's great!
Greetings, !!! !!! !!!!! !!!! ! ! !!!!! ! !! !!! !! ! ! ! ! ! ! !!! ! ! !!! ! !! !!!!! ! ! !! ! ! ! !! ! !! !! ! !!!!! !!!!! !!! !! ! ! !! !!! !! ! !! !!!!!
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: help! FiL. Message-ID: <199610151856.OAA04748@icu17.csl.mtu.edu>
Hi all,
I recently got the tab to "Fortune in Lies" from the LSOAD web site. now at the solo (where JP starts the tapping segment) I'm having trouble with the first two sections. Does anybody know if it is correct....I mean to me it seems there are some notes missing. But it could be me, where I'm doing wrong beat count. I think I should mention that I have the LAM virsion of the song not the original....so I don't know how much they are the same.
I think it should be worth mentioning that, I'm not a good tapper. but was really bored doing that three note tap thing that's in all magazines! I know I should learn the VH licks, but, somehow I always have trouble connecting his songs with his solos. To me he's like yngwee just that vh's songs are better. But that's just my op. I'm alowed to have my own tast in music even if it pisses somebody off, aren't I??
thanx in advance.
Minhaz
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:17:16 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <199610151917.PAA14751@mail.caribe.net>
At 08:22 PM 10/14/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hi guys, > I have a couple of questions: >What's Ytse? ytse is esty written back wards.. esty ..the end of majesty.. ytsejam is majesty written backwards.. >What's the girl holding on the cover of "Images and Words"? > the girl is holding the mirror thats in the awake cover..
> >
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:19:30 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Kewl find Message-ID: <199610151919.PAA14837@mail.caribe.net>
At 09:41 PM 10/14/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hey, guess what I came across at yet another used CD store today >(Slackers in O'Faloon, IL). Enchant's "A Blueprint of the World" CD >for, get this, $2. I kinda dig it. Definitely more prog rock than >DT, but I can see some influences there from first listen. >Definitely worth 2 measly bucks. INDEED!! i paid 18 for it last week..and i love it. theyre excelent...
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:21:54 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A Change of Seasons Debate Message-ID: <199610151921.PAA14931@mail.caribe.net>
At 03:32 AM 10/15/96 -0700, you wrote: >Allrighty then, > > I need the opinions of all you ytse jammers out there. I've been in >an ongoing debate of sorts with a friend, a fellow DT fan. He insists >that "Images and Words" is their best album. I say their best is >definitly "A Change of Seasons". Now, regardless of which you think is >the best, please tell me which one you think is the better album. > > Ed > > oh please...lets not star this again..everyone has a favorite album.. if everyone starts saying which Dt album is their favorite..its gonna degenerate into a "which album is BETTER" or "why awake was not as progressive as I&W" thred... please lets not..
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:39:52 -0700 From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Keb Mo, Bafu Message-ID: <326412B8.8C1@dreamt.org>
>> Since no one has broken this.... I was reading in the >>Metal Blade folder on AOL, and there was a message from Maria >>(of Metal Blade) and according to her, Kevin Moore will be playing >>all keyboards on the new Fates CD, which is supposedly going to >>start being recorded in November. > >Pretty wild, if it's true! I mean, I thought Kevin's intention in >leaving DT was to explore music other than prog rock/metal. Not that >anyone on the 'jam would be complaining about it. ;)
I'm complaining. If he were to join a prog rock group, that would make his whole departure from DT senseless. From the limited stuff I've heard of Derek, I think Kevin was a better player. But then again, I've just heard some live shows and ACoS, which much of the original was played by Kevin anyway. We'll see on the new album.
>Bafu > >------------------------------ > >End of YTSEJAM Digest 1929 >************************** How long has he been back and he's at it already? This is what? the 3rd time? Sheesh
later--------------Brian PS-I REALLY need someone to buythat Rush ticket off of me
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:45:34 -0700 From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ircle Message-ID: <3264140E.3C97@dreamt.org>
If anyone has a good copy of this, could you send it to myself or my friend Mike (A Crapintosh user) at Bcmj@catskill.net? Thanx a bunch.
later--------------Brian
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:32:57 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Aykoz Debate! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961015203257.006a9540@mail.inlink.com>
At 03:32 AM 10/15/96 -0700, you wrote: >Allrighty then, > > I need the opinions of all you ytse jammers out there. I've been in >an ongoing debate of sorts with a friend, a fellow DT fan. He insists >that "Images and Words" is their best album. I say their best is >definitly "A Change of Seasons". Now, regardless of which you think is >the best, please tell me which one you think is the better album. >
hehe, i love debates based completely on opinions where no one comes to a conclusion but arguing back and forth. :) personally, i love em both, their sound is way different on both discs, why pic a fave, just enjoy em. Its like comparing Trey Azagthoth to Yanni :)
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:33:26 -0600 From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lemur Voice Message-ID: <v01530500ae89c1077662@[206.104.9.3]>
Maybe I'm way off, but I thought it was Lee-myoor (kinda like demure, 'ya know) well, whatever. I haven't checked them out yet, but plan to soon :oD
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:57:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ford Expires Suck Message-ID: <199610152257.RAA28644@tundra.winternet.com>
As Frank previously stated : > > ** I got a much needed ride home from Nathan...while discussing Savatage > and my puking habits...(editor's side note....Nathan is a sick > fuck....while driving in a Ford Aspire [expire]...Nathan proceeds to > nonchalantly go head on, with a dead german shepard....good thing he > won....I would hate to see what the Ford would look like, if the dog was > standing up...)
Just to clear a couple things up here, I barely ran over its tail. I had obviously been there for a while and was probably was don't all travelers a great service by filling one of NY's many pot holes.
But the dog did get his revenge. Sunday night after a meeting with Paul O'Niell and Bob Kinkel about Savatage and TSO, I got a flat tire. I definately wasn't the best location in Queens, but then again it wasn't the worst either since I am indeed still alive.
later,
Nathan Bradley savaweb@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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