YTSEJAM digest 1920

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Fri Oct 11 1996 - 01:21:09 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 1920

    Today's Topics:

      1)
     by
      2) agh!
     by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
      3) mikes awake solo
     by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
      4) Fates
     by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
      5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1919
     by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
      6) The Con
     by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
      7) Jason Becker Benefit Information... (NDTC)
     by rycher@xnet.com
      8) Jason Becker Benefit Information... (NDTC)
     by rycher@xnet.com
      9) SG & musical tastes, and haphazard replys...
     by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
     10) Taping the Con
     by "Ryan M. Webb" <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
     11) Anthrax (NDTC)
     by SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
     12) Re: SG & musical tastes, and haphazard replys...
     by joel alfaro <jalfaro@caribe.net>
     13) an inquiry if possible
     by "Lucian Manea" <manea@hotmail.com>
     14) Rush REM Oliver Rockline Yanni Con
     by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
     15) Re: Taping the Con... again...
     by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
     16) Re: Well, Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse MEEEEE!
     by "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>

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    School #1: Play a beat, a rhythm, a thing for the audience to nod its
    collective head to, both the drummers and the non-drummers alike. Play
    several different beats if you want, but above all play something
    comprehendable to anyone with a decent sense of rhythm. Paula Abdul's
    drummer studied at this school.

    School #2: Strike any and all percussive surfaces at full speed in a
    frenzied barrage of sound to strike terror into the hearts of the drummers
    in the audience. To hell with those who don't understand the techniques
    you're attacking with power and intensity like so many jackhammers on
    helpless asphalt. Rikki Rockett studied here, as I don't recall him doing
    an actual beat for longer than three or four seconds the entire solo.

    Alex Van Halen and Mike Portnoy are good examples of combinations. While
    they both like to shuttle around and assault the crowds' ears with
    seemingly random arrays of THWACKS! and DUBBADUBBADUBBAs, they also go
    into rhythms every now and then which, if inclined, one could probably
    dance to...

    Bafu Vai

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:33:59 -0500
    From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: agh!
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961010233359.006b3000@mail.inlink.com>

    >
    >Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:59:42 -0700 (PDT)
    >From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
    >To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
    >Subject: Drummage
    >Message-ID:=
     <Pine.A32.3.95.961010155442.86551D-100000@homer18.u.washington.edu>
    >
    [snip]
    >
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    >
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    >

    how the HELL does he *do* that?!?!?!

    anyways just wondering if anyone has any leads on where to pick up a CIAW
    promo someone mentioned they were selling but i got there too late :) i
    picked up a TTT promo cd at a used store a while back but i dunno where to
    find em normally.. maybe someone's willing to let one go for a few bucks? :)=
     =20

    anyways i'd just like to say something about cows now because i dont feel
    i've given them enough justice on the jam lately. they moo and stuff.
    c'mon, what other animal has a killer paint job and makes kewl noises while
    producing a wickedly consumable beverage? rrrra. cows. pass it on.

                                                            ~Rip

    (=A0)
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    =A0|=A0___<|=A0=A0
    =A0||=A0=A0=A0||=A0=A91996=A0Rip-Cow=A0inc. =20

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:37:24 -0500
    From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: mikes awake solo
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961010233724.006a3e1c@mail.inlink.com>

    >
    >Gosh darnit, the best drum solo I've ever heard was Mike Portnoy on the
    >Awake tour. I don't know if it was those wacky strobe lights flashing in a
    >circle around his kit or what, but the whole thing was quite a phenomenal
    >auditory presentation.

    Why is it the best solo? simple..... "HEAH THE DRUMMAH GET
    WICK-ED!!!!!!!!!!!" that brings in one of the most important aspects of
    drumming into the solo.. the rhythm :) i mean the groooooove rhythm. i
    also liked the By Demons Be Driven section on the I&W shows :) now if only
    i could see them live... hah.

                                                            ~Rip

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:19:46 -0600
    From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
    To: <Ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Fates
    Message-ID: <m0vBVLk-000RUbC@mis01.micron.net>

    Hey Dale try not to get down on FW because of No Exit. I got it a while
    back and it's ok, but I have been unable to get into it very much. I've
    heard that some people claim IGOD to be the best metal song ever written,
    but i just don't see it. I still don't like Fates as much as bands like
    DT, QR, SG, LV, and Savatage, but Parallels and Inside Out are still very
    good albums. Peace.

    Craig Wuthrich

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:37:57 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1919
    Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961010202340.77212B-100000@moose.uvm.edu>

    On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
    >
    > Then there was Rikki Rockett (geez, I list the drummers, you know what
    > concerts I've been to). He was really...what's the word...fast.

    I don't know if you meant this sarcastically or not, but Rikki actually
    is a really good drummer. He plays what is right for the song and has an
    amazing feel for grace notes. He has actually been quite an influence on
    my playing.

    Some of
    > what he did made sense to me, but I was so amazed with C.C. Deville's
    > ten-minute all-classical guitar solo that Rikki's torrent of thunder
    > quickly faded in my mind.

    I love Poison and I love C.C., but that guitar solo blew chunks. It was
    the only time that I sat down during whole show. I still can't listen to
    the whole thing through on "Swallow This Live."

     I thought it was neat when Rikki whipped out the kazoo and started kazooing a
    long with his drums, though...

    What about when that rack of percussion came down. It was like whole
    other drumset.

    > But what about bad drum solos? What about solos that take up time? Here I
    > would have to mention Lars Ulrich from the black album tour and Tommy Lee
    > from the "Dr. Feelgood" tour. So... As if "Back In Black" weren't cool
    enough already, Tommy Lee was
    > gracious enough to match the rhythm hit for hit. So what. Show me what
    > you've created. Covers are one thing, but in my opinion (as a non-drummer,
    > mind you) doubling the drum track isn't what you ought to fill your solo
    > spot with.

    WHOA!!!! Okay, now we've got to talk. Tommy (my all time favorite
    drummer) pulled off an amazing solo. It displayed chops, sure, but that
    wasn't the intent of the solo. The intent was to entertain, to keep
    people who aren't drummers as entertained as those that were. That way,
    people couldn't use the drum solo to go the bathroom or snack bar. One
    thing about this solo that pisses me off is that I didn't think of it.
    There is NO way to top that. Plus, me bungee jumped into the crowd from
    his suspended drum set. That's cool. I thought "Back In Black" was a cool
    idea. Again, the focus here is not on the audio, but on the visual.
    >
                                                    Richie

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:40:18 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
    To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: The Con
    Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961010203805.77212C-100000@moose.uvm.edu>

            Okay, it's crunch time. I need your best arguments to go to the
    Con. I'm still divided and if I'm going to go, I need to leave at 2:00
    EST tomorrow (Friday). So please post these to the jam or e-mail me
    directly. Thanks.

                                                    Richie

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:45:02 +0000
    From: rycher@xnet.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Jason Becker Benefit Information... (NDTC)
    Message-ID: <199610110041.TAA08151@mail.xnet.com>

    Hey fellow 'jammers,

         As I'm sure some of you now, we are putting on a benefit concert
    for Jason Becker and the Les Turner ALS Foundation and there has been
    some changes that you all might want to be aware of. In case you
    missed it, here's the main stuff:

                 The 1st Midwest Jason Becker Guitar Mania
                      Benefit for ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease)

    Presented by: Toshi Iseda, Jason Becker Music, Over The Top!
              Productions and The Les Turner ALS Foundation

    Scheduled to Perform:

              Eddie Van Halen Toshi Iseda
              Zakk Wylde Micheal Angelo
              Vinnie Moore Chip Znuff
              Tony MacAlpine Dave Uhrich
              Micheal Lee Firkins Steve Lukather
              Richie Kotzen Billy Sheehan
              Rod Morganstein
                    With More to Be Announced!!!!!

    Date: Sunday November 17th, 1996
    Time: 2:00pm (Start Time Subject to Change)
    Place: The Vic Theater 3145 N. Sheffield, Chicago
                           (Venue May Change)

    Tickets available soon through Ticket Master(tm)
    This is an ALL AGES show
    Any questions please contact Brian at (rycher@xnet.com)

        The main changes are that this will no longer be a CD release
    party as well. We want to make sure that this benefit stays just
    that, a benefit. Making this wonderful show for a great cause into
    a CD release party just didn't seem right so that has changed. Also,
    Pat Torpey of Mr. Big will be drumming for Eddie Van Halen and Billy
    Sheehan will be doing the bass. PLUS, there may be a surprise
    vocalist at the show with Eddie, but I can't confirm that yet. Due to
    the excellent response and feedback we have been getting, the show
    may also have a venue change soon... but that is still not known.
    Tickets should go on sale next week but the exact date is also
    unknown. E-mail me and I will put you on the mailing list to get the
    newest information regarding the show before it's posted to the rest
    of the internet. Hope to see you at the show!!!

    Brian

    "The key to immortality is first living a life
    that is worth remembering"

                       Bruce Lee

    ------------------------------

    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:45:02 +0000
    From: rycher@xnet.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Jason Becker Benefit Information... (NDTC)
    Message-ID: <199610110043.TAA08219@mail.xnet.com>

    Hey fellow 'jammers,

         As I'm sure some of you now, we are putting on a benefit concert
    for Jason Becker and the Les Turner ALS Foundation and there has been
    some changes that you all might want to be aware of. In case you
    missed it, here's the main stuff:

                 The 1st Midwest Jason Becker Guitar Mania
                      Benefit for ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease)

    Presented by: Toshi Iseda, Jason Becker Music, Over The Top!
              Productions and The Les Turner ALS Foundation

    Scheduled to Perform:

              Eddie Van Halen Toshi Iseda
              Zakk Wylde Micheal Angelo
              Vinnie Moore Chip Znuff
              Tony MacAlpine Dave Uhrich
              Micheal Lee Firkins Steve Lukather
              Richie Kotzen Billy Sheehan
              Rod Morganstein
                    With More to Be Announced!!!!!

    Date: Sunday November 17th, 1996
    Time: 2:00pm (Start Time Subject to Change)
    Place: The Vic Theater 3145 N. Sheffield, Chicago
                           (Venue May Change)

    Tickets available soon through Ticket Master(tm)
    This is an ALL AGES show
    Any questions please contact Brian at (rycher@xnet.com)

        The main changes are that this will no longer be a CD release
    party as well. We want to make sure that this benefit stays just
    that, a benefit. Making this wonderful show for a great cause into
    a CD release party just didn't seem right so that has changed. Also,
    Pat Torpey of Mr. Big will be drumming for Eddie Van Halen and Billy
    Sheehan will be doing the bass. PLUS, there may be a surprise
    vocalist at the show with Eddie, but I can't confirm that yet. Due to
    the excellent response and feedback we have been getting, the show
    may also have a venue change soon... but that is still not known.
    Tickets should go on sale next week but the exact date is also
    unknown. E-mail me and I will put you on the mailing list to get the
    newest information regarding the show before it's posted to the rest
    of the internet. Hope to see you at the show!!!

    Brian

    "The key to immortality is first living a life
    that is worth remembering"

                       Bruce Lee

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:00:41 +0000
    From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: SG & musical tastes, and haphazard replys...
    Message-ID: <199610110108.TAA17006@cyberhighway.net>

    Wow!
         I just got Shadow Gallery's album "Carved in Stone" today and I
    am impressed. What a radass piece of work. Can anyone tell me if
    they have any others? I'd really appreciate the info!

    >P.S. Portnoy says in the latest I&W fanzine that the songs he finds
    >hardest to play are the simple ones like LSOAD and Another Day. Food

    The thing that makes these songs so hard (according to my drummer)
    are the wild cymbal techniques Mike uses often during the slower
    songs. Rapid high-hat counter rythmns or something like that.

    > > really don't like this music, I don't think you have bad taste. If you
    > > could prove me wrong, perhaps my mind would be opened, or perhaps I would
    > > still dislike them. Be well and take care.<--- You, too, man!

    I'm sure you listen to a wide variety of music and I can accept
    anybody's reasoning for disliking anything as long as they've given
    it a good try (and it sounds like you have).
     
    >First off, I'm sorry if I insulted your tastes...that wasn't my
    >ntention while praising Yanni.

    Nor my intention, but I feel that if everyone else has a right to harp
    about the other bands that they like, so can we. There are many
    artists I have been opened up to because of the 'jam and a few that I
    have tried but failed to groove with. I'm not listing them because I
    don't wanna start another argument. :-) Just don't rip on other
    people's recommendations of bands just because you don't like them,
    cuz "Music is in the ear of the beholder", or something like that.

    >OK, I might be stupid and all, but why can't everybody have good
    >subject lines?

    I never actually even read those things. I used to when I was
    reading my mail in the middle of class so I can attest to your need.
    Did mine help?
    "Life is Precious. All of life. And one must try to
    take in as much of it as possible." -- Yanni

    "Life sucks." -- Butthead
    "Yeah, yeah! And then you die!" -- Beavis

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    Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 20:39:26 +0000
    From: "Ryan M. Webb" <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Taping the Con
    Message-ID: <3079887E.6715@earthlink.net>

    Hello everybody....

    I also will be bringing a 8mm camcorder to the con. I'll be
    happy to copy the video that I shoot....(assuming it turns out
    pretty good.. :) Well, if people want a copy, mail me, and I'll
    see what I can do....

    Ryan

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:43:51 -0500
    From: SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Anthrax (NDTC)
    Message-ID: <19961011014351173.AAA379@SandS>

    Hey, guys,

    A friend of a friend of mine is directing a play in NY somewhere and she
    said that one of the guys who showed up at the audition claimed to be
    ex-bassist for Anthrax. I'm a fan, but I don't know a lot about the earlier
    days of the group. Was there a different bassist before Frank Bello? Or
    has perhaps Frank Bello been recently kicked the way of Dan Spitz and I just
    don't know about it? Or is this guy just full of shit? If anybody knows,
    could you email me privately? This has really been bothering me.

    Shane Hunziker
    *************************************************************************
    * Shane Hunziker 12625 Coursey Blvd., #1046 *
    * SandS@mail.challenger.net Baton Rouge, LA 70816 *
    *************************************************************************
    * "In with the ashes or up with the smoke from the fire, with wings up *
    * in heaven, or here, lying in bed, palm of her hand to my head, now *
    * and forever curled in my heart and the heart of the world." - Dream *
    * Theater, "Wait for Sleep"
    *************************************************************************

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:52:41 -0400 (AST)
    From: joel alfaro <jalfaro@caribe.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: SG & musical tastes, and haphazard replys...
    Message-ID: <199610110152.VAA05202@mail.caribe.net>

    At 06:13 PM 10/10/96 -0700, you wrote:
    >Wow!
    > I just got Shadow Gallery's album "Carved in Stone" today and I
    >am impressed. What a radass piece of work. Can anyone tell me if
    >they have any others? I'd really appreciate the info!
    >
    hey!! Its me , analogkid or Satch or whatever, sorry for the lines_in wav, i
    accidetally told you it was LV, it is shadow gallery as you might have noticed.

            uh, burrito

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:25:47 -0700
    From: "Lucian Manea" <manea@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: an inquiry if possible
    Message-ID: <96Oct10.195811pdt.310079(18)@constitution.hotmail.com>

    hello,
      
    I would like to know if it would be possible (if you know his address) to
    inform me of Mr. Mike Portnoy's address. The reason being is that I would like
    to if possible audition for him or send a demo tape to his address concerning
    possibility for me to open up for their band Dream Theater when they will be y
    or so.
          I appreaciate your patience for looking at this letter.
    My email is manea@hotmail.com
                                                Greatfully yours,
                                                 Lucian Manea

    P.S. I am a guitarist

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:00:01 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
    To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Rush REM Oliver Rockline Yanni Con
    Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961010203603.22620A-100000@homer06.u.washington.edu>

    Anyone have Dave Fernquist's e-mail address handy? Dave? You reading this?

    What's this? Two guys arguing about Rush? I'd love to comment, but I'd
    probably get thrown off the list. Yes folks, THROWN OFF THE YTSEJAM. THE
    MAILING LIST FOR DREAM THEATER ENTHUSIASTS. ;)

    Dang, that new R.E.M. disc is confusing. I can never tell if it's upside
    down or what...

    Someone please e-mail me explaining the recent references to a piece of
    music called "Oliver Twist." If this is something I should recognize from
    one of Mike Bahr's cds, I've been away from them for a while so I
    apologize in advance to Mr. Bahr.

    Did anyone record the G3 Rockline interview? Speaking of recordings, Rob
    Barker, I sure hope you remembered to put the snippet of "This one's
    called...Gemini" at the end of any clinic dubs you've made. Otherwise
    people might think I'm nuts.

    I have to agree that Yanni can swing when he wants to. "Swept Away" is a
    great samba piece. And hey, polka will work too if you can get your body
    to move that fast.

    Oh yeah, everyone have fun at the Con! Even if there aren't limited-
    edition maroon shirts! ;) Wish I could be there. Hint to anyone who hasn't
    done this before: the fast-moving presence with the large backpack full of
    merchandise is Mike Bahr. Try to cajole him into leading everyone in a
    James LaBrie Workout. He knows ALL the moves. He TAUGHT LaBrie, man. Wanna
    get his attention quick? Tape a rare Magic card to your palm when you wave
    hello to him. ;)

    Luckily I was able to make it to the Petrucci clinic in Boston this past
    June (got about 30 pics to show for it and almost as many signatures),
    where I met a bunch of the people on this list. But unless I'm getting a
    ride in a company jet, repeating that level of travel gets ludicrously
    taxing...in more ways than one. At least this time around I won't have to
    continuously be looking over my shoulder for all the friendly neighborhood
    ytsejammers who "want to kick Bafu's ass, man!!"

    Bafee-fie-foe-fum

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:23:46 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
    To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Taping the Con... again...
    Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961010231540.29636A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>

    On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Syrinx wrote:

    > 1: Didn't know anyone had posted about you and irene's sex life b-fore.

    You know, that's funny, seeing as how you *quoted* that post in yours...
    how could you reply to it and yet not know it was there?

    > 2: it's called sarcasm, dude.

    When you say at the end of the post that you know you'll get flamed for
    it, that doesn't seem like sarcasm to me.

    > 3: it _WAS_ funny.

    No, it _WAS_ rude and completely unnecessary.

    > next time you have a problem, e-mail me and say "what did you mean by this?"
    > before you go off on a little tangent.

    You're one to talk about private email concidering that you posted your
    little crack about Irene and I to the entire 'jam. Am I not allowed to
    defend myself when someone decides that they are going to make a mockery
    of my relationship with my girlfriend? That hardly seems fair.

     
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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:12:26 -0500
    From: "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Well, Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse MEEEEE!
    Message-ID: <199610110513.WAA00323@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>

    Pat Griffin wrote:

    > And again, all of these people who have great marketing scemes for the
    Con video, just lay off for now.

    Gosh, Pat, I hope you're not talking about me. I offered to create a
    compressed version (not an avi, but an exe, at 1/10 the size) of highlights
    of the Con, and distribute it for free to the Web or via E-mail. If that's
    a "great marketing sceme", then I need to take Marketing 101 again.

    >If I want it in .avi format, I have the Diamond Stealth, and I'll do it
    myself.

    Too big . . .

    >If I want it distributed on CD-ROM, I have an HP CD-R, and I can do that
    myself.

    Too expensive . . .
    I just ordered a JVC CD-R and could have offered to sell the clips on CD -
    but then it wouldn't be free. Gee, who has the "great marketing sceme" in
    mind???

    > But please just let this go until I actually *have* the tape made and
    know what to do with it.

    OK, I withdraw my offer. Sorry I tried to help.

    >If someone else does a video, talk to them and see if they will let you do
    all this stuff.

    OK, will the Con be taped by anyone who has NOT has their Wheaties pissed
    on lately? ;^)

     

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